Clip of Riordan-Inderkum Brawl...
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write up of the incident:
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Riordan Player Hospitalized After State Tournament Brawl
Multiple punches were thrown at the end of a basketball game.
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I’m not condoning violence but my saintly grandmother would say that #12 started it….
There may be a culture difference….I can admit that…
#12 stopped playing basketball. He incited the brawl. He was the aggressor.
He should have kept his hands to himself. He got slept. Not sucker punched.
He kicked it off… On the kickoff, everybody can get hit, even the kicker…
i agree. violence is never ok. HOWEVER...... he started it.
I was able to get some stats, and I'm here to state the facts.
There was 5 minutes left and the score was 46-36. The fouls were 7 Riordan - 4 Inderkum
Before the event happened with 1 minute left, the score was 61-52. The fouls were 10-10
To put things into perspective, Riordan shot 14 free throws and 2 more coming for number 4, Inderkum shot 9 free throws and 3 of them were "and 1s" 25 free throws in span of 4 mins!! Thats how the game went prior to the mess. There was also possible 6 other combined no calls that could've been called as fouls. 2 other Inderkum fouls are were excessive on 12 and 22. It was also stated 12 got hand checked out of bounds and started talking few plays after. 12 was called the foul prior to the incident as 3 made both free throws then the mess. As the @NorCalRef post above stated, the refs needed to control the game anything point before the incident.
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this will happen again. there is no way to ever prevent it. a person can only do so much to control a whole gym. it is a win or go home situation and that brings out the best and worst.
maybe trophies for all and no title can solve this.
I hate to say this but............. I'TS PART of THE GAME. It happens everyday. Its unfortunate, but part of being an athlete in a contact sport means that probably they'll be some scuffles here and there. The referees might need to look at what they could have done differently throughout the game as well.
Definitely was a sucker punch. After he hit the kid almost ran. Then decided to became a good samaritan and tried to separate people.
#12 is to blame for his actions, but I think he was trying to protect his teammate. He didn’t push #2 because #2 raised his arms seeming to keep it all basketball. The smaller guard had a different kind of energy.
The game should have been managed better.
A little background on me...
I attended SHC in the early 80's when the Holy Trinity were all powerhouses in hoops. I played Frosh ball because that was the peak of my talents but have always loved the game. My son attended SI and he also peaked out at frosh ball but picked up my love for the game. He lives in NYC and was in town on a business trip so we decided to check out our first WCAL team game in 6 years.
I am former military and taught self defense and one on one combat in the military for 15 years. I am 57 and can count on 1 hand the fights I have been in my entire life. I have walked away from many more fights than I can recall. Not because I was afraid, but because I knew what may happen if I put my hands on someone. Was #12 wrong for pushing an opposing player? Absolutely! If he got dropped by the kid he pushed I would not have said a peep. I do have an issue with a player coming off the bench and sucker punching a kid, which is what that was no matter how you slice it. And adults on here justifying it because of this and that is wrong and sets a bad example for young men that are at an impressionable age.
I will leave it at that.
these fellas competing in D1 basketball are past being impressed by us losers on the internet. they dont look to us for anyway to live life and actually look at us of a way to not end up.
glad you have hands of steel and thanks for your service. but this aint that.
Come on. Thats harsh. Immature is probably the best adjective here. Unstable should be reserved for a person who is dependent on meds to be at the very least even keel.
#12’s teammate didn’t need protection. He wasn’t harmed. He was on his way to the free throw line to shoot free throws. He saved a turnover from his hustle and was going to the free throw line.
From my pov: if #12 keeps his hands to himself, then there wouldn’t have been a brawl.
#0 from Inderkum was not being a Good Samaritan. There was no one else on the court to go after. The bully got bullied….
Ah come on…SI and Serra folks just sitting on the side minding their own business and now catching misc debris…
Ironic that Riordan plays Granada, the same schools played football last season and the refs stopped the game after a Granada player body slammed a Riordan player 30 yards away from the play after the whistle was blown in garbage time with Riordan subs as they had a big lead. The player suffered a severe concussion and never returned last season. Riordan HC Adhir was incensed - no apology from the coach or player. They went directly to board their bus
Again that’s your point of view…
And I respect it. I won’t run my resume because we ain’t got all day. But I’ve played and coached in thousands of games. I don’t know the military. I know basketball! The threat of violence is real on a basketball court. Especially when physical play and trash talking persists. Things can get out of hand quickly. I’ve seen guns drawn, people stomped out, kids sent to the hospital, buses shot up, etc. All on a basketball court…
******Newsflash******
On the basketball court, pushing someone is the equivalent to starting a fight or at least wanting to fight.
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You are Catholic school educated, so you should know that trash-talking, taunting, cussing, and poor sportsmanship is unbecoming of a Catholic school student. It does not represent what the Catholic Church is all about. That young man was out of control and should have been reprimanded before the mayhem started. He was unstable and all of the signs were there. The lack of leadership/discernment/judgment from the coach was on full display. The coaches knew that he was out of control but kept him in the game.
Parochial schools teach the golden rule! When they go low, we go high! Turn the other cheek, peacemakers, brotherhood, love your neighbor, love your enemies etc.
You don’t fight fire with fire. Archbishop Riordan didn’t have to trash talk, push and shove, fight to beat Inderkum High School. They play a physical brand of basketball that was giving Inderkum fits.
#12 brought that street mentality to the basketball court and he got that same energy back. Had he took the high road like his teammates, this incident would not have occurred. He started a fight and his teammates didn’t have his back.
He placed his teammates in a compromising position. Watch the film again: #4 and #21 got drawn into a scuffle that they wanted no part of.
#22 for AR stayed far away from the mayhem. He didn’t even check on or come to the aide of #12. He tried to calm him down moments before. #22 sensed that things were getting out of hand…
Inderkum should be banned from postseason play for a minimum of one year. Riordan's injured player would be out anyway due to his concussion, but he would be banned due to the push. One or two others that came off the bench from Riordan will also likely be banned.
Again, you make absolutely false statements. YOU should be banned from this site.
Yes. As the entire Inderkum bench and fans stormed the court against the Riordan 5. #12 deserves to be suspended. But you had the entire bench come at the Riordan players with 2 of them getting cold cocked.
I had family and friends at the game. I also watched the entire game online.
some people are bout it, some just talk about it.
2 riordan players walked to halfcourt but they looked like they were looking for butterflies
According to the article, 2 players from Inderkum punched kids from behind.....Del Paso Heights representin' I guess..... is this what you mean by bout it? Hitting people from behind...if you're going to promote fighting at least do it the right way.... not this way
Exactly… That’s the point. He stayed out of the mayhem. He kept his cool and tried to keep #12 under control. He knew the game was over….
So because Riordan is a catholic school they were wrong because they are taught not to act a certain way? But because Inderkum is a public school their reaction was justified? So this is what is taught in public schools? Am I understanding you correctly? React to every incident with violence?
I agree with you the push was uncalled for, he was wrong 100%. But using your logic, it is OK to react how the entire Inderkum team reacted and even some spectators because they didn't start it.
There are bad kids at both Catholic and public. As an SH alum, all those really bad kids usually got expelled or left the school by end of sophomore year. Junior and senior years we just have the funny knuckleheads that were not trouble at all. At publics youre pretty much stuck with them or maybe they dont even go to the school and are out on the streets up to no good. We're just talking about student body though. If youre good enough to be on a sports team, you do have some semblance of wanting to be taught, told what to do, stay out of trouble.
This was kids just letting their uncontrollable emotions get the best of them. 16, 17 year olds are still immature and are just raging hormones that mostly act before taking a step back and assessing the situation.
No, Inderkum is not exempt. Their behavior was unacceptable and embarrassing. Several people were blaming the brawl on Inderkum (excusing the behavior of #12) and praising Riordan’s staff for how they handle the situation. I saw this differently. So I offered a different perspective.
I hate to see young Brothers fighting one another…. Riordan is supposed to lead by example. Are they not supposed to represent Christ?
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