CN vs. JS
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FB fumble returned for 6, 35-0. 2:28! I'll prob be out of here soon.
Yeah the FB coach is kind of a douche didn't he run up a score of 81-0 on someone and cry about MC being in D4?
Yes 84-0 against Willits. He has been very vocal about MC and CN playing D4 (yes we've had that debate here as well).
I did hear he was telling a reporter at half that the NCS is responsible getting his kids hurt out there? I didn't hear it, just what another parent said. However one of the FB kids got blasted on a punt return and went down for a bit. FB and MC trainers both went out immediately. FB coach went out there and so did Mazi. Looked like FB coach started to have words with Mazi as he was leaving the field.
How is NCS responsible for getting FB players hurt? Should they be playing 2 hand touch? Just shows you the difference in quality of players and programs. Getting blasted is no fun. Karma is a bitch.
The Fort Bragg coach is the biggest baby I have ever heard speak. He was satisfied with winning league and was vocal about not being able to compete against CN or MC. Well they wouldn't have competed against Moreau, St. Mary's , fortuna , Piedmont or Justin Siena either. He has had their local paper do articles on his team and his QB stays in games and passes to pad his stats in the 7 man league they play in. He said it was D3 v D5 in paper. If they were actually eligible for D5 that's where they would have been. It's too bad he quit on his kids and told them they couldn't compete.
The Ft. WHINE coach is pathetic.
Hey coach....eventually you have to come out of the hills and play somebody.
There are a lot of VERY good teams that lose their last game of the year.
can someone post the link to the Marin IJ article today? Some weak a$$ quotes in it.
Hey coach....eventually you have to come out of the hills and play somebody.
There are a lot of VERY good teams that lose their last game of the year.
can someone post the link to the Marin IJ article today? Some weak a$$ quotes in it.
Here's a link to press democrat (Santa Rosa) article running in tomorrow's paper:
http://www.pressdemocrat.com/sports/4797649-181/ncs-football-playoffs-fort-braggs?page=2
"Fort Bragg’s Perkins was disappointed having to play a powerhouse like Marin Catholic, a private school in the same division based on enrollment, but one that can attract quality athletes from virtually anywhere.
Ultimately, that creates an unsafe and noncompetitive atmosphere, he said. Three Fort Bragg players left the game with serious injuries, including one with a possible broken leg.
“Our section talks about competitive equity,” he said. “Was there competitive equity here today? We were 11-0, and in playoffs we become cannon fodder for bigger schools. It’s a travesty. This is a violent sport and our system is broken. There has got to be a better way.”
Perkins wasn't complaining about competitive equity when he ran up the score against Willits this year 81-0. Talk about a double standard! What a loser.
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That douchebag of a coach wouldn't be crying like the whiny bitch he is if he was beating up St Bernard's, St Vincent's, Salesian, Berean Christian, etc all private schools who can bring athletes from wherever.......what a pussy, he completely threw up the white flag.....great example for your kids Coach Perkins
Yeah I read the PD and IJ articles and it sounds like what I was told at the game. Sorry dude (Perkins) has rubbed me the wrong way with his bitching and whining.
No problem playing the role of Goliath (vs. the Willits of the world). And be consistent. Today it's school size? Last week he was saying he would have rather played San Marin first round (aprox 925 cbed) instead of St. Helena (525 cbed). Not to mention "scheduling" Del Norte" (aprox 1050 cbeds).
No problem playing the role of Goliath (vs. the Willits of the world). And be consistent. Today it's school size? Last week he was saying he would have rather played San Marin first round (aprox 925 cbed) instead of St. Helena (525 cbed). Not to mention "scheduling" Del Norte" (aprox 1050 cbeds).
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Perkins' whining is so full of holes, it's going to sink him. I feel bad for the Fort Bragg players because their coach has taken away any chance they had to play ( or lose) with dignity and sportsmanship. I don't know what his expectations for the season were, but very few teams end their season with a win. Heck, they had a great season, and he kind of ruined it for them.
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Here's the section from Marin IJ:
Timberwolves coach Roy Perkins was less than thrilled with having to play MC, which dropped down from D-III earlier this season due to the state bowl restructuring.
“Here’s a spectacular 11-0 football team that has to experience an unfair end to the season, which becomes a very negative thing,” Perkins said. “We’ve got a kid with a broken leg and a kid with a knee injury because we are on the field with a team that we should have never been on the field with. They’re a great D-III team that decides to drop down and play D-IV. There’s something wrong with this system.”
Really? This is even worse than I thought it would be.
Timberwolves coach Roy Perkins was less than thrilled with having to play MC, which dropped down from D-III earlier this season due to the state bowl restructuring.
“Here’s a spectacular 11-0 football team that has to experience an unfair end to the season, which becomes a very negative thing,” Perkins said. “We’ve got a kid with a broken leg and a kid with a knee injury because we are on the field with a team that we should have never been on the field with. They’re a great D-III team that decides to drop down and play D-IV. There’s something wrong with this system.”
Really? This is even worse than I thought it would be.
What a lush! Grow up. He totally crossed the line. To suggest it was unsafe was a poor choice of words. If I was MC coach I would be pissed. They run a clean and quality program.
What a bozo
Football coaches & administrators need to be wise. Football has enough challenges to deal with right now. Now you get and idiot or two like the Fort Bragg coach, mix in there people, parents who don't know how the current system is set up, an irresponsible writer or two, and it can damage the game more. After reading that article, I would pull my kid from the Fort Bragg program. That coach lost in the post season way before they showed up. CN & MC are like other teams throat the state, they are playing in their division. I am sure when they played d3, they played up. I don't think the state or section has rules that would allow a team to play in an enrollment below their own. If that was the case, Fort Bragg would coach would probably have gone d5 or d6d. Bottom line is that guy is out of line & people including media need to realize that. Not healthy to have an attitude that someone owes you. Don't ruin it for the kids on the other side, I am sure they have worked hard and sacrificed as well.
Absolutely!! Sullivan looked like he was in quicksand, very slow. He throws a good ball if you give him some time to throw it. Ft Bragg looked great in the NCL1 league but extremely obvious that they can not play with teams south of Mendocino County.
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ATTENTION NCP BOARD!!!
I have to congratulate the Ft. Bragg coach....
we have just witnessed history!!!
for the 1st time in the history of this message board, we have a unanimous agreement on something.....lol
The FB coach is an crybaby, whiner, BULLY (that eventually got his)...
I have to congratulate the Ft. Bragg coach....
we have just witnessed history!!!
for the 1st time in the history of this message board, we have a unanimous agreement on something.....lol
The FB coach is an crybaby, whiner, BULLY (that eventually got his)...
When he ran up the score on Willits we all called it that karma would get him, whoops
Yes his numbers are way up due to competition. But I watched him all pre game and liked his arm strength.
I didn't know about slow as quicksand, the first two drives he made some plays with his feet and kept those drives going. He has good size and looked pretty athletic. His line gave him zero time and his recievers got no seperstion. So hard to gauge when there was no supporting cast for him (and no run game at all).
Physically I like his make up, but I'd think JC route would be his best bet.
He is lucky MC had some class and sportsmanship not running the score up like he did on Willits.
Guys. I understand all of your infatuation with MC and CN and rightfully so. They are strong and storied programs. However it is a known fact that there are divisions put in place so that there can be a level playing field. I have chimed in earlier in the season on the decision of MC and CN to play down and I still am of the opinion that they should be D3 and not D4 just as I always thought CC had a clear advantage in the past dropping down for the playoffs. I am not saying that the coaches comments are valid because honestly I think they are absurd however they had one of those special kind of teams that come around in a cycle that give the program a chance to succeed. And I truly feel his comments came while he was full of raw emotion after a very good season by his team which ended sooner than it would have in years past. You can at least understand that I hope!!! There is a lot of hard work and time that goes into every season by many programs not just the ones in the spot light all the time. Given the division they play in and have for years they should have been afforded the opportunity this year to play for a section title vs JS as you all know would have taken place had MC and CN not moved down. Regardless of what you all think MC and CN have "0" business playing in that division. And you all know it. The D3 is weak this year compared to previous years and both would have had a chance at winning there. I know I am speaking against the grain on this subject. Lets put this in perspective. Everyone gave Folsom grief last year for avoiding DLS. Isn't this the same sort of thing. These 2 programs decided to take the easier road to a section title. And still only 1 will win one. It will be a great game for sure. I am not a Fort Bragg supporter or a JS supporter so I do not have a gun in this fight. I am just calling it as I see it as a fan of high school football and of "ALL" the young men that play this game. Having been involved in games vs MC and JS I know first hand that in this place in time the JS and Fort Braggs don't have the guns to compete with them. Guys, before you all threaten my family this is just my opinion!!! LOL
Good post farmair. You aren't "against the grain" at all. Your comments are spot on and echoed by many on the board. It was a bush move by MC and CN but whats done is done. They'll get their titles and have to forever answer the "who did you play" question with "no guys I swear.. D4 was really good that one year".
Lets be real Ft Bragg wasn't going to the finals regardless of MC and CN being there. Moreau Catholic would have put up 70+ points on them and Issom their RB could have cracked the 400 yard mark on them.....btw the Moreau is bigger Catholic school than both MC and CN.....Justin is bigger than CN and not that much smaller than MC.........so the outrage is only that public schools want the best Privates to move up, but the privates they can beat regardless of enrollment can stay in their natural divisions....sounds pretty selective
I'm just curious what makes the difference between Justin and MC? Both are are designated D4 schools by size (715 to 645, what is the major difference)? Both play in the same league. Both are catholic schools.
Fort Bragg has played (and beaten) Justin Siena for a NCS title in 09'. Also played and best Salesian (another Catholic school) that same year. Different coach (Moyer) then and obviously a different mentality.
I thought the safety coments were really a poor angle to take. It's F ing football. It's still a bunch of 16-18 year old kids, it's not like it was boys against men. MC is not chalk full of D1 guys. The safety issue would fall on the coach and the strength and conditioning coach. 11 games prior and no safety concerns?
I'm not trying to pile onto Fort Bragg, it's really a beautiful area with a lot of tradition. Actually the old days it was a solid rugged mill town (who would take on all comers). Now it's a kinder gentler touristst hamlet (and it sounds like they mentality has rubbed off on their coach).
Fort Bragg has played (and beaten) Justin Siena for a NCS title in 09'. Also played and best Salesian (another Catholic school) that same year. Different coach (Moyer) then and obviously a different mentality.
I thought the safety coments were really a poor angle to take. It's F ing football. It's still a bunch of 16-18 year old kids, it's not like it was boys against men. MC is not chalk full of D1 guys. The safety issue would fall on the coach and the strength and conditioning coach. 11 games prior and no safety concerns?
I'm not trying to pile onto Fort Bragg, it's really a beautiful area with a lot of tradition. Actually the old days it was a solid rugged mill town (who would take on all comers). Now it's a kinder gentler touristst hamlet (and it sounds like they mentality has rubbed off on their coach).
Is MC and CN goal to make the Small school's Open game this year?? Yes it is, will they have to play Palma or CC most likely to make it there??? yes most likely, would they have to play those teams in the regional whether they won D3 or D4? yes they would end up in the same place anyways, so the beef is with how NCS has it all set up and with CIF/their 13 bowl games now.......
I don't think it's debatable that the fault is with the NCS/CIF. The beef IMO, is the choice made by CN and MC early on to go D4 thinking it would be an easier draw. Obviously D4 turned out to be solid this year so it looks better. But that's this year.
I actually like the CCS set up 3 open divisions, and then 2 non open divisions that don't send team to regionals....that way the teams that are scared to play with the big boys can play each other and get their trophies without having to worry about playing the best teams in their division......would be nice to see this set up for the NCS next year (would be nice to see a DLS vs CVC D1 open final)
I bet the Willit's coach is laughing his AO. CIF changed the game, schools adapted to the changes. What the complainers are asking on this board is to punish CN and MC for having good football programs, or give special advantages to teams like FB for no good reason. I mean, CN and MC are on equal footing with St. Mary's, Justin Sienna, and Moreau Catholic. Similar private schools with the same enrollments more or less, who have been playing in D4 forever. No bitching about them in Div 4. So CN and MC are being held to a different standard just because they have good programs. Excuse me, but you complainers just need to accept the fact there's 2 new teams in town and if you want to compete, get better. They meet the same criteria as the other privates in the section. FB was 11-0 playing nobody, and expects to win NCS? Wake up call. They were going out in round two no matter who they played. With MC and CN both electing to play their enrollment division in D4, doesn't make D4 an easier division to win, vs. D3. One could argue D4 is the tougher division to win this year. There's only one team in Norcal this year that's electing to petition up, and that's Pinole Valley. FB should play in D5, and so should St. Helena. They both have just over 500 enrollment. Then they can beat each other up each year for the section championship and let the big boys play real football in D4.
I also believe what CCS did this year actually works from a competition standpoint for the smaller public schools. In CCS case, teams like a Carmel and Aptos which have been consistent and in some years very strong relative for their size can test theircompetitive strength in nonleague against stronger teams (e.g., Carmel lost in shootout to Sacred Heart Prep, and Aptos even played Bellarmine, Mitty and Palma). They had the option to opt up in the stringer division but stayed down in the non-bowl eligible division. Teams that don't wish to test the water can play a schedule that is competitive for them and stay down. In any event, they aren't forced into playing in a division that wouldn't be competitive. The games so far in CCS D5 has actually been pretty good from a competitive standpoint as has CCS D3 Open. While CCS only has 3 bowl eligible divisions with the controversial 2 runner-ups moving up into regionals, I think it makes sense from a competitive standpoint. I think other sections will have open divisions and NCS will benefit D1 with another quality team moving up outside of DLS in the division. Same benefit for SJS and the south.
I prefer a true playoff format - at least 8 team bracket, but not going to happen so the new format seems okay although I wish that the Open Division bowl game had a play-in.
As far as Willits coach, it is valid from a competitive standpoint as far as Cardinal Newman and Marin Catholic probably should be playing in D3, but he is wining especially after crushing a team 81-0. NCS probably should do the same as CCS and have a section championship tract for smaller schools and have a bowl eligible tract for the CNs and MCs and allow opt ups. In any event, I think what CCS did as far as playoffs is pretty innovative. They may have actually got it right.
I prefer a true playoff format - at least 8 team bracket, but not going to happen so the new format seems okay although I wish that the Open Division bowl game had a play-in.
As far as Willits coach, it is valid from a competitive standpoint as far as Cardinal Newman and Marin Catholic probably should be playing in D3, but he is wining especially after crushing a team 81-0. NCS probably should do the same as CCS and have a section championship tract for smaller schools and have a bowl eligible tract for the CNs and MCs and allow opt ups. In any event, I think what CCS did as far as playoffs is pretty innovative. They may have actually got it right.
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A lot of what you say, Norcal, makes sense. For the record, Fort Bragg ran up the score on Willits this year 81-0, and it is the FB coach who's doing a lot of crying to the media about CN/MC in D4, citing the ill-defined "competitive equity" phrase being tossed around so freely this year. He wasn't sobbing about competitive equity when he ran up the score on Willits 81-0.
farm....
lets make this completely clear.....the FB coach was spewing that crap well BEFORE the season even started.
The Press democrat gave him basically his own personal forum to air his complaints back in September in a HUGE article they wrote about CN and MC playing in their true/proper division. He has been bitching all season in almost every article to the PD (they have had bunch written, way more than they should have) its a terrible look and his school and players should be embarrassed. I feel bad for them....he's brought the spotlight away from a great season and made it all about MC and CN.
So it wasn't a spur of the moment raw emotional outburst.
And for the record the D4 schools up in the hills have been dealing with this for yrs in EVERY sport. It WAY worse in basketball. Where NCS playoff games will have the top seeds winning by 60-80 in some cases. I remember the Willits boys a couple of yrs back had their best team ever and got the 8 seed and got spanked in the 2nd round...season over.
BOTTOM LINE.....eventually at some point you have to come out of the hills and play somebody!!!!
Even VERY good teams will lose their last game. It happens every year.
The new bowl system has made the divisions like they are now....get used to it because this is how its going to be.
Do we need to expect that a D4 small school coach from up north is going to bitch about the setup every year from now on? I hope not because Im tired of the FB coach already.
I agree that the FB coach is crying over spilled milk and actually sets a poor example for the young men on his team both in the 81-0 win over Willits (just kneel down after up by 50-0 or 42-0 if the team doesn't have a shot). Between running clock and running/knelling, it is easy to keep the score down. There are plenty of actions a coach can do to limit a score...maybe some where done, but the score doesn't indicate it. On the other side, Marin Catholic did what they should have and limited the score. The FB coach by setting a good example should have been gracious and accepted the loss, instead of being a poor loser. If the coach was worried about injuries, he should have opted out of the playoff and game if he felt they were getting too beat up.
Fact.... Marin Catholic won 49-0 in a QUARTERFINALS game. This was not a Section Championship game for God sake.
Other quarterfinal games with lopsided scores:
2014 Div. III: Campo over Newman 56-14
2014 Div. III: MC over Alhambra 48-6
2014 Div. IV: St. Mary's over Moreau 61-21
2014 Div. V: Salesian over St. Vincent 48-6
2014 Div. V: St. Bernard's over Berean Ch. 52-9
2013 Div. II: Casa Grande over Windsor 42-7
2013 Div. II: Clayton Valley over Las Lomas 59-13
2013 Div. III: El Cerrito over Novato 45-2
2012 Div. III: MC over Miramonte 59-6
2012 Div. II: Clayton Valley over Dublin 47-7
These are a few examples.
Guess what coach, there are teams in your league that are bigger than you. I don't see you complaining there. It's very dishonorable to complain about your opponent like this. I would not allow my kid to play for you.
Other quarterfinal games with lopsided scores:
2014 Div. III: Campo over Newman 56-14
2014 Div. III: MC over Alhambra 48-6
2014 Div. IV: St. Mary's over Moreau 61-21
2014 Div. V: Salesian over St. Vincent 48-6
2014 Div. V: St. Bernard's over Berean Ch. 52-9
2013 Div. II: Casa Grande over Windsor 42-7
2013 Div. II: Clayton Valley over Las Lomas 59-13
2013 Div. III: El Cerrito over Novato 45-2
2012 Div. III: MC over Miramonte 59-6
2012 Div. II: Clayton Valley over Dublin 47-7
These are a few examples.
Guess what coach, there are teams in your league that are bigger than you. I don't see you complaining there. It's very dishonorable to complain about your opponent like this. I would not allow my kid to play for you.
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