All 3 officials work junior college men's and q works D2 men's. So they are as seasoned and trained as you can get this time of year. Lincoln gotta learn to body and not push.
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I doubt that I'm the only one who thought that Lincoln wasn't helped by the officiating last night. SC is the more talented team and deserved to win but I hated to see Lincoln lose as Lindsey and Moore are really special players and their other starters and reserves played incredibly hard and their fan base represented regardless of how close Stockton is to Sac.
objective observer, lincoln got hosed... if 3 calls go their way, i think they win... all in the late 4th.
you have that hook by the SC point guard as he tried to get past lindsay, that they called on lindsay, right at midcourt, clear as day... that was his 4th.
you have the charge block call that should've been called a charge.. the SC pg was out of control, and just threw it up, and they lincoln guy, i think moore, was easily there.
then you have the call where bryce james pulled down the lincoln player from behind, and they called a foul on the lincoln player.
lincoln had a 3-5 point lead most of the 4th, and these calls kept SC in the game.
you have that hook by the SC point guard as he tried to get past lindsay, that they called on lindsay, right at midcourt, clear as day... that was his 4th.
you have the charge block call that should've been called a charge.. the SC pg was out of control, and just threw it up, and they lincoln guy, i think moore, was easily there.
then you have the call where bryce james pulled down the lincoln player from behind, and they called a foul on the lincoln player.
lincoln had a 3-5 point lead most of the 4th, and these calls kept SC in the game.
Refs were probably intimidated that Lebron was right there courtside staring them down. Offered them roles in his next Space Jam movie to give SC more calls.
i spoke with all 3 refs. only 1 is a laker fan, the other two have dub nation and stephanie curry on their facebook. they def hate lebron.
out of control is not in rule book. you can easily be out of control because the defender caused you to be that way.
the hook, (also not in the rule book) happpened after the illegal contact first by the defender?
if a player pulls down a player, and the defense is called... i call BS
the guy was out of control well before contact.. he was looking to be bailed out. the defender was in position to take a charge... so the offensive guy initiated all contact. the defender was set.
and hook is a foul, always has been... he initiated the contact with the hook
you call bs that it was called on the defense, or on my interpretation of events?
Please don't say set. That's not a thing.
Was he shooting or was it on the dribble?
The 'hook' must impede the defender from moving. If it happens at mid court it's likely defender came closing down or maybe even sliding. Usually that involves a bump which follows by the infamous 'hook'...
Ironically Anthony Moore the dad is a referee. I'll ask him his thoughts
he picked up his dribble at the free throw line, threw the ball up behind his body, and took his 2 steps and jumped into the defender waiting for him, head first. you are trying to parse something simple. everyone knows a charge when they see it. the offense ran into the 'set' defender while out of control.
(i don't know how you say 'set' is not a thing. if he's there first, and his feet are set, then he's 'set'. no? you want to use a different word? whatever... but he was not moving when he was barrelled over)
as far as the hook... if the offense uses his elbow to catapult him past the defender, by definition impeding the defender from moving (which in my opinion and the majority of the biased crowd on replay, was moving his feet laterally, and the offense initiated contact with his elbow/arm) that's a foul.
i mean, if you can find the film, watch it. I saw it live and called it correctly live, because it was out in the open and easy to see, and i confirmed it on the replay.... until then...
ok, so being 'set' is irrelevant as you described the play. you only have to be 'set' as you say when a shooter is airborne/started their shooting motion (high schoo). any other player can move obliquely, vertically, or back as long as they established legal guarding position first. legal is the word not set.
so really the defender here did not have to be 'set' or legal, and the same token being out of control has nothing to do with the foul here either. all good folks, just trying to help the masses.
the 'hook' the way you wrote it sure it can be a foul, but usually most dads, moms, aunties and coaches miss the first bump or the 'hes riding himmmmmmm' which causes the infamous 'hook'
all good cuz.
that push in the back and called on the person pushed... well that was dumb, i will ask the refs whats up with that. they def will watch the film and i know 2 of them well
fair. but he was set. he was standing there for a full second before the guy, out of control, fell on him. he didn't have to be set, but he was set. and if he's set, he's legal, and the offensive player... who was out of control, barrelled into the set guy. the refs would say the defender was moving (maybe falling backward, maybe got there too late, maybe turned a little)... i strongly disagree with that interpretation.
i'm arguing, he was clear of the offensive player, as the offensive player tried to go around him, he engaged with his elbow to hook him, because he couldn't beat him otherwise. the hook was the first contact. the refs will say the defender engaged illegally... i strongly disagree with that interpretation.
it wasn't a push. as bryce was being boxed out, he fell backwards, and pulled the defender with him... they called foul on the defender, because they say he fell on him uncontrollably. I strongly disagree with that interpretation.
SC was on offense?
who fell on him uncontrollably? who is the who?
if the defender was in front of bryce, who fell on who?
It wasn’t out of control he just took off far out. I watched all these plays live and several times on video. Defender was squared up but did slide foot marginally. I’ve seen this called both ways.
The hook was blatant and no illegal contact prior. Huge 4th foul on Lindsey. My thought though is why did he run up and put that much pressure on other side of mid court when you have 3 fouls already and in control of the game.
Brice did pull down #0 but he had his hands holding Bryce hamstrings boxing out so go either way.
The 4th foul on #0 under the basket was terrible.
Also the and one at end of the game on Lincoln big was horrible .
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