All 3 officials work junior college men's and q works D2 men's. So they are as seasoned and trained as you can get this time of year. Lincoln gotta learn to body and not push.
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I doubt that I'm the only one who thought that Lincoln wasn't helped by the officiating last night. SC is the more talented team and deserved to win but I hated to see Lincoln lose as Lindsey and Moore are really special players and their other starters and reserves played incredibly hard and their fan base represented regardless of how close Stockton is to Sac.
objective observer, lincoln got hosed... if 3 calls go their way, i think they win... all in the late 4th.
you have that hook by the SC point guard as he tried to get past lindsay, that they called on lindsay, right at midcourt, clear as day... that was his 4th.
you have the charge block call that should've been called a charge.. the SC pg was out of control, and just threw it up, and they lincoln guy, i think moore, was easily there.
then you have the call where bryce james pulled down the lincoln player from behind, and they called a foul on the lincoln player.
lincoln had a 3-5 point lead most of the 4th, and these calls kept SC in the game.
you have that hook by the SC point guard as he tried to get past lindsay, that they called on lindsay, right at midcourt, clear as day... that was his 4th.
you have the charge block call that should've been called a charge.. the SC pg was out of control, and just threw it up, and they lincoln guy, i think moore, was easily there.
then you have the call where bryce james pulled down the lincoln player from behind, and they called a foul on the lincoln player.
lincoln had a 3-5 point lead most of the 4th, and these calls kept SC in the game.
Refs were probably intimidated that Lebron was right there courtside staring them down. Offered them roles in his next Space Jam movie to give SC more calls.
i spoke with all 3 refs. only 1 is a laker fan, the other two have dub nation and stephanie curry on their facebook. they def hate lebron.
out of control is not in rule book. you can easily be out of control because the defender caused you to be that way.
the hook, (also not in the rule book) happpened after the illegal contact first by the defender?
if a player pulls down a player, and the defense is called... i call BS
the guy was out of control well before contact.. he was looking to be bailed out. the defender was in position to take a charge... so the offensive guy initiated all contact. the defender was set.
and hook is a foul, always has been... he initiated the contact with the hook
you call bs that it was called on the defense, or on my interpretation of events?
Please don't say set. That's not a thing.
Was he shooting or was it on the dribble?
The 'hook' must impede the defender from moving. If it happens at mid court it's likely defender came closing down or maybe even sliding. Usually that involves a bump which follows by the infamous 'hook'...
Ironically Anthony Moore the dad is a referee. I'll ask him his thoughts
he picked up his dribble at the free throw line, threw the ball up behind his body, and took his 2 steps and jumped into the defender waiting for him, head first. you are trying to parse something simple. everyone knows a charge when they see it. the offense ran into the 'set' defender while out of control.
(i don't know how you say 'set' is not a thing. if he's there first, and his feet are set, then he's 'set'. no? you want to use a different word? whatever... but he was not moving when he was barrelled over)
as far as the hook... if the offense uses his elbow to catapult him past the defender, by definition impeding the defender from moving (which in my opinion and the majority of the biased crowd on replay, was moving his feet laterally, and the offense initiated contact with his elbow/arm) that's a foul.
i mean, if you can find the film, watch it. I saw it live and called it correctly live, because it was out in the open and easy to see, and i confirmed it on the replay.... until then...
ok, so being 'set' is irrelevant as you described the play. you only have to be 'set' as you say when a shooter is airborne/started their shooting motion (high schoo). any other player can move obliquely, vertically, or back as long as they established legal guarding position first. legal is the word not set.
so really the defender here did not have to be 'set' or legal, and the same token being out of control has nothing to do with the foul here either. all good folks, just trying to help the masses.
the 'hook' the way you wrote it sure it can be a foul, but usually most dads, moms, aunties and coaches miss the first bump or the 'hes riding himmmmmmm' which causes the infamous 'hook'
all good cuz.
that push in the back and called on the person pushed... well that was dumb, i will ask the refs whats up with that. they def will watch the film and i know 2 of them well
fair. but he was set. he was standing there for a full second before the guy, out of control, fell on him. he didn't have to be set, but he was set. and if he's set, he's legal, and the offensive player... who was out of control, barrelled into the set guy. the refs would say the defender was moving (maybe falling backward, maybe got there too late, maybe turned a little)... i strongly disagree with that interpretation.
i'm arguing, he was clear of the offensive player, as the offensive player tried to go around him, he engaged with his elbow to hook him, because he couldn't beat him otherwise. the hook was the first contact. the refs will say the defender engaged illegally... i strongly disagree with that interpretation.
it wasn't a push. as bryce was being boxed out, he fell backwards, and pulled the defender with him... they called foul on the defender, because they say he fell on him uncontrollably. I strongly disagree with that interpretation.
SC was on offense?
who fell on him uncontrollably? who is the who?
if the defender was in front of bryce, who fell on who?
It wasn’t out of control he just took off far out. I watched all these plays live and several times on video. Defender was squared up but did slide foot marginally. I’ve seen this called both ways.
The hook was blatant and no illegal contact prior. Huge 4th foul on Lindsey. My thought though is why did he run up and put that much pressure on other side of mid court when you have 3 fouls already and in control of the game.
Brice did pull down #0 but he had his hands holding Bryce hamstrings boxing out so go either way.
The 4th foul on #0 under the basket was terrible.
Also the and one at end of the game on Lincoln big was horrible .
Now i am back to confused.
Was the player shooting the ball who took off far out?
the hook... for the life of me i do not get why high school players do not know how to play with 3 or 4 fouls. also why are you running full speed to meet a player at the division line????!!!! with 3 fouls!!!!!!
the brice play sounds like lincoln player had a box out, with a slight hold on the leg. this is such a confusing play. i bet everyone yelled OVER THE BAAAACCCKKKKKKKKK...
parents, tell your kid you have to complete the play. box out, and JUMP!!!!! FOR THE BALL. If you do not jump, and the boxed out player does jump, if you as the boxer out steps back into the airborne rebounder and the rebounder cant land. its on the boxer outter.
he took off too far, threw the ball up towards the basket from behind him, did the ball even hit anything? then fell into the defender. seriously, he didn't have the ball when contact was initiated. total bail out call, should've been a player control foul. there was no contact when the ball was "shot". all of the contact was him falling into the defender (who i still maintain was set)
he was pressuring him the whole game, and playing excellent defense doing it. They had to pressure the perimeter and keep the ball out of the paint, cuz SC was killing them inside, which was rare, cuz Lincoln did a great job of that. They forced a lot of outside shots, and SC stayed in the game due to offensive rebounding. And the game was hardly in control.. it was only a 5 point lead at most.
He didn't run full speed to meet him.. Lindsay would wait below the logo, and then play good pressure defense to keep him outside the 3 point line. I don't remember him being called for blocking fouls the whole game.. 1 questionable reach call and 2 inside fouls is what I remember. He played most of the 2nd half in foul trouble, so he was fine. If he drew the offensive foul like should've happened, we'd all be talking about how his 1 on 1 d changed the game. The FT situation would've flipped.. their PG would've been in foul trouble... all of these what ifs... but that's my point... those 3 calls flipped the game for SC.
it wasn't even that physical until he got pulled down. Brice lost his balance. I don't think the ball even came that way, i don't remember. He definitely did not go over the back, cuz he didn't jump for a ball... he fell backwards. I don't think it was close. I do think the ref thinks it was close. Just like they thought the other 2 plays were close. I just strongly disagree with their interpretations... and those were key plays that went for SC that flipped the game.
Just go watch the replay of the game.
I looked back at all these plays several times . And trust me i’m a Norcal/Lincoln fan but just calling what i see.
Bryce didn’t lose his balance. #0 boxed out with his arms all the way behind and squatting and holding Bryce hamstrings. He lifted bryce leg off the ground and fell back on brice .
IF I KNEW HOW TO POST A PHOTO ITS CLEAR AS DAY.
The worst part about all of this was the proceeding play. The ball was actually out on Sierra Canyon leg not Lincoln’s.
The hook was the game changer 100%. But you’re wrong on DL waiting . SC PG was letting ball roll and DL raced past half court and got on him. They Met at the S of Kings. my point was you don’t have to put yourself in that predicament and be that tight with three fouls and the lead.
On the charge call, he was squared up and in position, but did slide his rt foot while
High tower was still in the air. what I didn’t see at first because I was so focused on positioning was yes zero just took off and threw a scoop shot up in the air that wasn’t even close and hit the opposite side bottom of the backboard. Crazy funny tidbit when you rewatch is the announcers said yeah he was standing in the restricted area and that’s a charge. Last time I checked there is no restricted area in high school.
My question would be since he’s airborne shooter did he have room to land vs block vs charge ?
I looked back at all these plays several times . And trust me i’m a Norcal/Lincoln fan but just calling what i see.
Bryce didn’t lose his balance. #0 boxed out with his arms all the way behind and squatting and holding Bryce hamstrings. He lifted bryce leg off the ground and fell back on brice .
IF I KNEW HOW TO POST A PHOTO ITS CLEAR AS DAY.
The worst part about all of this was the proceeding play. The ball was actually out on Sierra Canyon leg not Lincoln’s.
The hook was the game changer 100%. But you’re wrong on DL waiting . SC PG was letting ball roll and DL raced past half court and got on him. They Met at the S of Kings. my point was you don’t have to put yourself in that predicament and be that tight with three fouls and the lead.
On the charge call, he was squared up and in position, but did slide his rt foot while
High tower was still in the air. what I didn’t see at first because I was so focused on positioning was yes zero just took off and threw a scoop shot up in the air that wasn’t even close and hit the opposite side bottom of the backboard. Crazy funny tidbit when you rewatch is the announcers said yeah he was standing in the restricted area and that’s a charge. Last time I checked there is no restricted area in high school.
My question would be since he’s airborne shooter did he have room to land vs block vs charge ?
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