Did CCS get some of the seedings wrong?
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Here is the final version that should be utilized at the CCS seeding meeting today.
Open
8. Wilcox 7-3 64 (7) at 1. Serra 10-0 87.5 (1)
7. Salinas 7-3 64.5 (#1 in DII) at St. Francis 7-3 77.5 (2)
Clayton Valle tis #100 Mitty is #151
D I
6. Valley Christian 6-4 68.5 (6) at 3. St. Ignatius 6-4 73 (3)
5. Riordan 7-3 71.5 (4) at 4. Los Gatos 8-2 72 (5)
D II
8. Christopher 9-1 49.5 (7) at 1. Mitty 5-5 61.5 (#8 in DI)
5. Menlo 9-1 57.5 (3) at 4.Live Oak 9-0 58.33 (4)
6. Monterey 7-3 53.5 (6) at 3. Sacred Heart Prep 6-4 59 (5)
7. Carmel 10-0 51 (8) at 2. Soquel 7-2 60.5 (2)
D III
8. Hillsdale 7-3 40.5 (2) at 1. Menlo-Atherton 4-6 47.5 (1)
5. Scotts Valley 9-1 43.5 (3) at 4. Palma 3-7 44.5 (5)
6. Alisal 9-1 43 (6) at 3. Aragon 8-2 45.5 (8)
7. Hollister 3-6 42.33 (7) at 2. Capuchino 9-1 46 (4)
D IV
8. Seaside 7-3 29.5 (8) at 1. Palo Alto 5-5 38 (not in field)
5. Leigh 7-3 34.5 (4) at 4. North Salinas 7-3 35 (3)
6. Greenfield 9-1 31.5 (#1 in D V) at 3. Branham 8-2 36.5 (5)
7. Burlingame 4-6 31 (6) at 2. Mountain View 4-6 37..5 (2)
D V
8. Del Mar 7-3 18 (not in field) at 1. Woodside 6-4 27 (2)
5. Los Altos 5-5 22 (5) at 4. Santa Teresa 4-6 24.5 (3)
6. Silver Creek 7-3 22 (6) at 3. South San Francisco 9-1 25 (4)
7. Oak Grove 4-6 19.5 or Leland 3-7 19.5 (not in field) at 2. Overfelt 7-3 25.5 (not in field)
At Large berths.
No change here and none expected. Five at large teams should be Valley Christian, Mitty, Mountain View, Hollister and North Salinas,
Open
8. Wilcox 7-3 64 (7) at 1. Serra 10-0 87.5 (1)
7. Salinas 7-3 64.5 (#1 in DII) at St. Francis 7-3 77.5 (2)
Clayton Valle tis #100 Mitty is #151
D I
6. Valley Christian 6-4 68.5 (6) at 3. St. Ignatius 6-4 73 (3)
5. Riordan 7-3 71.5 (4) at 4. Los Gatos 8-2 72 (5)
D II
8. Christopher 9-1 49.5 (7) at 1. Mitty 5-5 61.5 (#8 in DI)
5. Menlo 9-1 57.5 (3) at 4.Live Oak 9-0 58.33 (4)
6. Monterey 7-3 53.5 (6) at 3. Sacred Heart Prep 6-4 59 (5)
7. Carmel 10-0 51 (8) at 2. Soquel 7-2 60.5 (2)
D III
8. Hillsdale 7-3 40.5 (2) at 1. Menlo-Atherton 4-6 47.5 (1)
5. Scotts Valley 9-1 43.5 (3) at 4. Palma 3-7 44.5 (5)
6. Alisal 9-1 43 (6) at 3. Aragon 8-2 45.5 (8)
7. Hollister 3-6 42.33 (7) at 2. Capuchino 9-1 46 (4)
D IV
8. Seaside 7-3 29.5 (8) at 1. Palo Alto 5-5 38 (not in field)
5. Leigh 7-3 34.5 (4) at 4. North Salinas 7-3 35 (3)
6. Greenfield 9-1 31.5 (#1 in D V) at 3. Branham 8-2 36.5 (5)
7. Burlingame 4-6 31 (6) at 2. Mountain View 4-6 37..5 (2)
D V
8. Del Mar 7-3 18 (not in field) at 1. Woodside 6-4 27 (2)
5. Los Altos 5-5 22 (5) at 4. Santa Teresa 4-6 24.5 (3)
6. Silver Creek 7-3 22 (6) at 3. South San Francisco 9-1 25 (4)
7. Oak Grove 4-6 19.5 or Leland 3-7 19.5 (not in field) at 2. Overfelt 7-3 25.5 (not in field)
At Large berths.
No change here and none expected. Five at large teams should be Valley Christian, Mitty, Mountain View, Hollister and North Salinas,
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Thanks. Calpreps corrected their error - reflected in the edited seeding and point score s above
You noted Calpreps #100 for CA State is Clayton Valley - which is 31.7 And you note Mitty at #151 or 23.5. However, it might be relevant to observe three teams #149-#151 are all tied at 23.5. Theoretically, Mitty should be counted in the #150 or better group, right?
I believe I read somewhere that Calpreps rounds its ratings to the nearest tenth and since the three tied teams are not totally in alphabetical order, do we assume the Mitty is some hundredth of rating beyond #150?
I am truly a Riordan Homer all League Season Long, but I truly like to see the City programs Battle for Div. 1.
If my recollection IS correct many SO MANY guru posters felt this “match up” btw Riordan vs. SI, could’ve gone either way. Heck Riordan has 1 more win than SI in League. & all due respect to SI, they have 1 more Calculation point than Riordan. So maybe the SF faith-base gridiron Saints vs.Bishops “need a DO OVER”:lol
But IT always about the Match Up before you? What are the board guru’s thoughts about bringing this CCS Div. 1 Championship back to the City?
Shout Out to the South Bay voices?
#SI>VC
#R>LG
#CCSdiv1intheCity
If my recollection IS correct many SO MANY guru posters felt this “match up” btw Riordan vs. SI, could’ve gone either way. Heck Riordan has 1 more win than SI in League. & all due respect to SI, they have 1 more Calculation point than Riordan. So maybe the SF faith-base gridiron Saints vs.Bishops “need a DO OVER”:lol
But IT always about the Match Up before you? What are the board guru’s thoughts about bringing this CCS Div. 1 Championship back to the City?
Shout Out to the South Bay voices?
#SI>VC
#R>LG
#CCSdiv1intheCity
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Is there a typo for D-IV? North Salinas as 4-seed with 35 points and Leigh the 5-seed with 35.5? Matchup remains the same if reversed, only impacts home field advantage.
If the above is correct, then it looks like Palma may ask to play at The Pit (Salinas High), leaving Rabobank Stadium to the Vikings.
If the above is correct, then it looks like Palma may ask to play at The Pit (Salinas High), leaving Rabobank Stadium to the Vikings.
Well, don’t forget the actual D-I title goes through whoever loses the D-Open title game.
Calpreps goes out a few decimal places and rounds off when posting on their site so I don't believe it is a tie
Thanks good catch Leigh is at 34.5 - I have to manually transcribe it Ito the site and missed changing Leigh's points
Oh man that would be disgusting if Palma asked to play at the pit.
More likely that they do a Friday and Saturday game at Rabobank.
View: https://twitter.com/JohnJDevine/status/1721242165396001031?t=8tw0m2UZnUihPw9rH02S3Q&s=19
Interesting seeding for Hollister...
View: https://twitter.com/Jim_Seimas/status/1721243060196327588?t=VY12JgQ10gpJXwpF83UHcQ&s=19
Lots of D3 differences in seeding.
Sorry Cal 14 but I am out of the area and don't understand your comment. What does that mean?
8 teams in D1. Top 4 seeds are called the "open". Bottom 4 seeds are the D1. The loser in the Open Finals, will be placed in the finals of the D1 bracket and will play the survivor of that 2nd round game. D1 champ will have won 3 games
The Open runner up will play the winner of the four-team D1 bracket. The winner of that game will be named the D1 champion. My opinion: Pretty weird.
Have to be a section champion to advance to a Norcal game. This tweak, in theory gets two of the sections best the chance to advance, instead of 1. NCS does this and CCS took it from them. A pretty nifty work around IMO
Did the CCS get some of the seedings wrong? Did teams submit incorrect point totals for themselves? I would think that the meeting would correct any mistakes if they were made in submissions.
I am baffled by the a few of the seeding calculations, so any help is greatly appreciated here is what I had going into the meeting.
Salinas. 9.5 Schedule points (9 A team snap 1 b team - Seaside) + 7 wins (14 points) + 3 top 100 teams (Valley Christian, Clovis, Clayton Valley for 4.5 points) + 1 Point for being a top 150 team +2.5 points for being Gabilan league champion = 31.5 CCS Points. + 33 points for being the 8th ranked team in the CCS for 64.5 points.
Wilcox - 9.5 Schedule points (9 A Teams and 1 B team Santa Clara) + 7 wins (14 points) + 3 top 100 teams (Valley Christian, Edison, Los Gatos) for 4.5 points + 1 point for being a top 150 team + 1 point for playing a league champion (Los Gatos) = 30 CCS points + 34 points for being the 7th ranked team in the CCS for 64 points.
Scotts Valley - 4.5 schedule points (1 A team, 7 B teams and 2 C teams) 7 + 9 wins (18 points) + 2 points for being a B league champion) = 24.5 CCS points. They were ranked 22nd in Cal. preps for 19 Cal prep points = 43.5 points
Alisal - 6 schedule points (8 B teams and 2 A Teams) + 9 wins (18 points) + 1 point for playing a league champion Carmel = 25 CCS points. Ranked. 23rd in Cal preps for 18 cal prep points. = 43 total points
Hollister - 9 schedule points (9 a teams) + 3 wins (6 points) + 1.5 points for playing 1 top 100 team (Valley Christian) + 2 points for playing two top 150 teams (Wilcox and Salinas) + 1 point for playing a league champion Salinas + 0.8333 points for playing a nine game schedule ((27/9)-0.5)*.3333 = 20.333 CCS points + 22 points for being ranked 19th in Cal Prep rankings = 42.33 total points.
Love to understand where the mistake are/were and why the CCS seeding sended up differently. Thanks..
I am baffled by the a few of the seeding calculations, so any help is greatly appreciated here is what I had going into the meeting.
Salinas. 9.5 Schedule points (9 A team snap 1 b team - Seaside) + 7 wins (14 points) + 3 top 100 teams (Valley Christian, Clovis, Clayton Valley for 4.5 points) + 1 Point for being a top 150 team +2.5 points for being Gabilan league champion = 31.5 CCS Points. + 33 points for being the 8th ranked team in the CCS for 64.5 points.
Wilcox - 9.5 Schedule points (9 A Teams and 1 B team Santa Clara) + 7 wins (14 points) + 3 top 100 teams (Valley Christian, Edison, Los Gatos) for 4.5 points + 1 point for being a top 150 team + 1 point for playing a league champion (Los Gatos) = 30 CCS points + 34 points for being the 7th ranked team in the CCS for 64 points.
Scotts Valley - 4.5 schedule points (1 A team, 7 B teams and 2 C teams) 7 + 9 wins (18 points) + 2 points for being a B league champion) = 24.5 CCS points. They were ranked 22nd in Cal. preps for 19 Cal prep points = 43.5 points
Alisal - 6 schedule points (8 B teams and 2 A Teams) + 9 wins (18 points) + 1 point for playing a league champion Carmel = 25 CCS points. Ranked. 23rd in Cal preps for 18 cal prep points. = 43 total points
Hollister - 9 schedule points (9 a teams) + 3 wins (6 points) + 1.5 points for playing 1 top 100 team (Valley Christian) + 2 points for playing two top 150 teams (Wilcox and Salinas) + 1 point for playing a league champion Salinas + 0.8333 points for playing a nine game schedule ((27/9)-0.5)*.3333 = 20.333 CCS points + 22 points for being ranked 19th in Cal Prep rankings = 42.33 total points.
Love to understand where the mistake are/were and why the CCS seeding sended up differently. Thanks..
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Curious if the SJS will eventually utilize this Open/D1 playoff format in the future for their section football playoffs.
Go 3-7 and your reward is making the playoffs. You're right, I don't get it.
Generally speaking, a key reason for the glut of mediocre teams securing playoff spots is the massive expansion of the CIF "bowl" setup. Those slots have to be filled. Hence the proliferation of average playoff units in the sections.
I didn't do a comprehensive check on your calcs but in my "favorite teams" double checks seemed right to me. When individual calcs are submitted by coaches and maybe not double checked, there is a lot room for error. You have been doing these calcs for a long time and I have more confidence in your numbers than what happened today in the seeding meeting.
How does a point system award a team with a worse overall win-loss record and a head to head loss with the team seeded below them?
Work out the calcs to show us what you mean... Or are you just griping about SI over AR?
I have to be honest and say first of all, this new system baffles Me.
But from what I have beeen told, the New System via Points; preseason of OoC opponents rating has to do with the program points ranking
The head to head win added 2 pts for AR and 0 pts for SI. However, the difference maker was SI's much stronger pre-league schedule compared to AR's schedule.
All for Si's opponents were were A team quality according to CCS rules and all were in the CP's top 100.
AR, on the other hand, had 2 A teams and 1 B team (Moreau Catholic) and only one team in the CP top 100 (SB) and two teams below the top 150.
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This is not a new system. We have been using it for a couple years now (since 2019). And it is a modified system of one CCS has been using as long as I can remember.
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Context is important. If I recall, Walsh said this when confronted with CalPreps predictions showing a JS loss for an upcoming game. As it turned out, Walsh's team lost as badly as predicted. But maybe I'm not remembering correctly.
Saints vs Bishops vs. Saints=All Good & Not Bad for WCAL to have an Inside Straight on Open & Div 1 Champions
#PurpleRiegn
#CrusaderJourneyNotDone
#WCAL#1RLeadersInNorcal
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Three games is the normal length of CCS playoffs. However, the winner of D-open occurs in two games and the D-open loser plays the semi-final winner of D1.
No team in CA is guaranteed to to be placed in CSB - Open division and go straight to state. But it is commonly understood that the SS section D1 champ will get that selection for SoCal and this year it is assumed Serra will get that spot for NorCal if they win CCS D-O championship. All other teams are seeded by the CIF CSB committee for regional bowls.
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Please, Let’s hope not!!!…. It is Bad enough we have this Rediculous format in the NCS and CCS….
The SJS is the best and most Compelling playoff Bracket in Nor Cal, let’s hope they don’t start this nonsense…. It’s bad enough that the SJS took away the Open play in by Introducing the Folsom rule…. 🤣
Not correct. As the CCS grew larger overall, there was a need to expand from 4 divisions to 5. The CCS still has the smallest percentage of playoff teams among the 10 CIF sections.
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Just wanted to Set Record Str8 officially 😳😂😳😒🤣🤣🤣🤣What did you say? You are a Riordan homer? I hadn't noticed
But at the “EndOfTheDay”, I bleed WCAL🙏🏾❤️🙏🏾🔥🔥🔥🔥
Hollister and Seaside were other teams that were awarded wins by forfeit from Santa Cruz. Hollister was technically 4-6 and Seaside was 7-3. The Cardinals forfeited 4 games this year overall.
Santa Cruz schedule with results
I still don't know what happened with Salinas/Wilcox, though.
