Folsom vs. Monterey Trail
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Wow..if your listening to this broadcast on NFHS one of the announcers is painful to listen to. No clue
both the folsom and dls game have hard to listen to announcers. I tried listening to one watching the other both ways and both, painful
21-13 Folsom at the half. MT twice inside the Folsom 10 yard line and could not score. Surprised at how good MT is playing.
Agreed, MT cant leave points off the score board. Folsom is to explosive. MT is hitting hard. Folsom d doing well in the trenches. MT gets the ball to open up the second half.
Jimmy, you are right that was a make up call. After the fumble he blew the head ref pulled him to the side and spoke to him.
Jimmy, you are right that was a make up call. After the fumble he blew the head ref pulled him to the side and spoke to him.
Man what about the obvious fumble by Folsom too. These refs are making too many mistakes to be in a D1 section game
Why would anyone be surprised by any team, like Monterey Trail, making it to the Championship Game and down 21-13. They made it there for the same reason as the Folsom Bulldogs....Hard Work....Dedication.....Team Work....and yes talent helps.....Monterey Trail has been playing Championship Football all season long. They just do it quietly and respectively....Kudos to MT’s Head Coach TJ Ewing and his staff.
Curious if Folsom pulled their first string when they had say 49 points or kept first string in the whole game.
Tough was to go out for a very good team in Monterey Trail. Key adjustments were made after halftime and folsom just showed why they are arguably the best team in SJS over the last few decades. It was 63-13 before you knew it... Scary.
Folsom needs to play their starters the whole game at this point to get ready for tough four quarter games the rest of the way...if they need four quarters to win
Man, I wish there was a way Folsom and DLS could rematch à la Mater Dei and SJB. But not for the reason most would think.
My main interest would be to see whether the Spartans defense could hold Folsom's offense down similarly to week 0. Regardless whether DLS would still win or not, I just have a hard time believing a rematch wouldn't be much higher scoring considering how in sync both offenses are 3 1/2 months and 12-13 games later.
In other words, bring back the Open Regional!
Would be great to see a rematch, though I think the way the Spartan defense is playing, I still think a 2-3 TD victory for DLS.
I would love to see De la Salle compete in the SJS playoffs.... is that even possible? Even if just for football purposes.
But would you be willing to play that game if the loser goes home. Yes MD and SJB had there rematch but SJB is done. No doubt that Folsom would not be held scoreless. But at this point I see dls winning by at least 2-3 tds. I guarantee you that the Folsom coaching staff would say “ were good”. Folsom is not built to play with dls. They did very well week 0. But at this point that sophomore QB is way better. That jr running back is way, way, way better ( on both sides of the ball). I would love to see a rematch. But only if the loser goes home . Otherwise what’s the point?
I’d be happy with a rematch, with loser going home. I think Folsom’s players would love a rematch with DLS too. I agree with you that I’m not sure Richardson feels the same way, but I don’t think all staff feels same way.
BTW...love the comments that DLS is better now because ‘this player’ and ‘that player’ are improved since Week 0, as if the other teams players didn’t improve. Guess what? Folsom’s Jr RB is probably “way, way, better” too. And how about Folsom’s defense, think it’s maybe a lot better now with Chandon Pierre being eligible (after sitting out the DLS game)? What about the Jr TE - Lynch, he’s a beast, pretty sure he’s improved now that he’s becoming featured in the offense. My point only is that Folsom has a few MAJOR upgrades on both sides of the ball since the DLS game. Now I’m not saying they’d win, but for those posting as if only DLS has improved, well that’s simply uninformed posing.
Too bad we’ll never know.
I am not going to argue with. You are 100% correct they have all improved. I’m not at all in any way a dls fan. I will root for Folsom every time against dls. But as a HSFB fan it’s extremely frustrating to watch such a great team play such an easy schedule. And when I say easy schedule I mean for a team like Folsom. Witch is why Folsom is not special. They have special players. But they have zero for a resume. But for some reason there fans are perfectly fine with it. Every one them to a fan defends there schedule. I’m sorry I would be screaming up and down if I where them. But on the other hand if Folsom played dls every week #10 would be lucky to get a scholarship to Sierra collage.
Yeah, anyone thinking that Folsom-DLS part 2 wouldn't be another closely contested game is fooling themselves. The overly-confident DLS crowd and/or Folsom haters can joke and chide all they want about the shutout, but that was a tie game at half with Folsom having more opportunities to score than DLS.
Both teams were rusty and lacking experience in some areas and not anywhere close to where they are now. The defenses were ahead of the offenses, for sure. I don't believe that'd be the case now for all the reasons you stated. Both teams have added and developed more weapons and are in late season form. I'd predict a 28-24 type of game, maybe even 35-31. Pick your own winner.
It’s your opinion. IMO they would lose by a min of 2tds. IMO at this point it would be by more then that. And here’s why. You have to be able to limit your passing game to about 8-10 passes total. And not more then 2 of those passes can be over 15yrds. Trust me I know coach Richardson better then anyone on here. That will never happen. Secondly you need to tell your QB sorry bro your out as QB for this game. Get your most athletic 210lb player and put him under center. Put another athletic 215-225lb in the back field with D. Ngata. And ground and pound that team to death. I think it was Hurb Brooks who once said “ you take there game and shove it back in there face”. You look for 5+yards and settle for 3yrds. Control the clock a keep the ball out of there hands. This is how The Bells, Serra, Cal, And SRV almost did it. Cal almost did it twice in week 10 no less. The Bells only needed to convert a pat. All with nowhere near the talent Folsom has. If Folsom played dls this Friday night they would pass the ball a min of 30 to 40 times. And that would be there undoing. IMO if Folsom played it out my way week 0. They would be on there way to SoCal this week to play MD.
I'll bet you never thought the first matchup would be tied at the half and as close as it turned out. I'll also bet SJB followers didn't think MD could bridge the gap from their blowout loss earlier in the season either.
If you've seen both teams progress over the year and are aware of what they've added and how they've developed, I think it's naive to predict anything but another very closely contested game. I'll just leave it at that.
And what is the Difference with what all you Folsom fans say?... You all say Folsom is so improved and they would beat DLS by 2 scores or in a close game... But somehow DLS has not improved since week 0 and in week 0 they held Folsom scoreless and only scored 14 when their Sophomore QB started his 1st game and actually outplayed the Folsom QB....
Now instead of your best win being over a 7 loss So Cal Team, it is over "Division 2" Champion Del Oro who beat CC playing with their back up QB... Reminder, DLS Blew out that team when CC had their 1st String QB... So who cares?....
Somehow the fact that DLS plays a better schedule, against more competitive teams and also improves as the season goes along is lost on you Folsom Fans...
Its just like how you Folsom Fans Trumpet "In 2014 Folsom would have beaten DLS" Because they were a year better and got a couple of players... Somehow a DLS Team that returned a bunch of players and beat Folsom by 3 scores would be "Worse".....
The Spin you Folsom Fans Put out is pretty Hilarious and Entertaining to read... Carry on though, if you all say it enough, maybe it will actually come true!!!!....
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And what is the Difference with what all you Folsom fans say?... You all say Folsom is so improved and they would beat DLS by 2 scores or in a close game... But somehow DLS has not improved since week 0 and in week 0 they held Folsom scoreless and only scored 14 when their Sophomore QB started his 1st game and actually outplayed the Folsom QB....
Now instead of your best win being over a 7 loss So Cal Team, it is over "Division 2" Champion Del Oro who beat CC playing with their back up QB... Reminder, DLS Blew out that team when CC had their 1st String QB... So who cares?....
Somehow the fact that DLS plays a better schedule, against more competitive teams and also improves as the season goes along is lost on you Folsom Fans...
Its just like how you Folsom Fans Trumpet "In 2014 Folsom would have beaten DLS" Because they were a year better and got a couple of players... Somehow a DLS Team that returned a bunch of players and beat Folsom by 3 scores would be "Worse".....
The Spin you Folsom Fans Put out is pretty Hilarious and Entertaining to read... Carry on though, if you all say it enough, maybe it will actually come true!!!!....
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Um...what are you even talking about? You quoted MY POST, and then rambled on making 4 separate points, NONE of which had anything to do with my post, NONE. Are you just so upset at the one or two psychotic Folsom fans, that you can’t see straight anytime someone mentions Folsom?
I don't understand the confusion? You stated that you are tired of DLS Fans acting like Folsom doesn't improve during the season... You the listed players and reasons why Folsom is more improved then DLS...
I Just responded back in disagreement stating all you Folsom fans say the same thing.... I used the 2014 Folsom team as the main example to validate how you believe only Folsom Improves and DLS does not...
Hopefully that clarifies it for you, I am never mad, I just use italics and bold so people can get right to the point in my long winded posts....
@Humbab
You might be on to something...Folsoms offensive scheme plays right into DLSs hands. Folsom is a pass happy team that lives and dies with the pass. (Which makes them one dimensional against great defensive teams) Their offense overwhelms teams that dont have a great front 7 and collegiate level DBs... this is why the SFL/SJS teams rarely compete with them...
Shoutout to Folsom for perfecting their offense. To beat them, you have to have a front 7 and defensive backfield that is peppered with collegiate prospects...
DLS front 7 has dominated Folsom in every game. This year is no exception. They have made life miserable for Browning and now Bennett. They dont allow the QBs time to just sit back in the pocket and pick them apart.
DLS beats Folsom at the LOS...
You might be on to something...Folsoms offensive scheme plays right into DLSs hands. Folsom is a pass happy team that lives and dies with the pass. (Which makes them one dimensional against great defensive teams) Their offense overwhelms teams that dont have a great front 7 and collegiate level DBs... this is why the SFL/SJS teams rarely compete with them...
Shoutout to Folsom for perfecting their offense. To beat them, you have to have a front 7 and defensive backfield that is peppered with collegiate prospects...
DLS front 7 has dominated Folsom in every game. This year is no exception. They have made life miserable for Browning and now Bennett. They dont allow the QBs time to just sit back in the pocket and pick them apart.
DLS beats Folsom at the LOS...
Folsoms offense is one dimensional. Its stoppable, but only by the CA elite...They wont beat elite teams without establishing the run, which is something they rarely do. Their greatest offensive weapon is D Ngata... hes a hard runner, excellent receiver, and great blocker....Unfortunately he is not showcased in their offense. The young man should have more than 2k yards rushing...
Imo, Bennetts stats are inflated. 1k of those yards should have went to D Ngata...Ngata should get 20 carries per game
Imo, Bennetts stats are inflated. 1k of those yards should have went to D Ngata...Ngata should get 20 carries per game
WOW....that's about all I got? Wow...I would ask where this guy is HC'ing at, but with this sort of perfection I don't need to. I'll just look for the new king of NorCal next season and know that it must be Humbab at the helm.
I know your being sarcastic and that fine if that’s who you are. Apparently that is who you are. Like I said it’s just my opinion. I coached for 29 years. And I wish that I had half the athletes Folsom has when I coached against dls. I’ve known lumpy since we were about 12yrs old. I think he’s a great coach who could easily move to the next level if he wanted. He has definitely put together one hell of a program there.
I don't understand the confusion? You stated that you are tired of DLS Fans acting like Folsom doesn't improve during the season... You the listed players and reasons why Folsom is more improved then DLS...
I Just responded back in disagreement stating all you Folsom fans say the same thing.... I used the 2014 Folsom team as the main example to validate how you believe only Folsom Improves and DLS does not...
Hopefully that clarifies it for you, I am never mad, I just use italics and bold so people can get right to the point in my long winded posts....
Um..I never said I was “tired of anything”
I never stated that Folsom was “more improved”
I never said Folsom would beat DLS
I never said DLS has not improved since Week 0
And while I root for Folsom MOST of the time, they are not my team.
Please re-read MY POST, and stop lumping me in with the couple of Folsom fans that seem to get everyone’s panties in a bunch. SMH
In 2012 and 2013, yes. Folsom's lines were completely overwhelmed. Austin Hooper single handily dominated in 2012.
But this season? You're exaggerating.
Did the Spartans do a great job containing and pressuring Bennett? Absolutely they did. But Folsom's line was nowhere close to the sieve it was in the previous games. They actually ran the ball quite well. If not for Joe Ngata's mental gaffe of lining up incorrectly, Daniyel Ngata would have rushed for well over 100 yards. As it were, he still rushed for 4.4 per carry. That doesn't happen if Folsom line was being dominated.
And Bennett had time to make some plays on offense. When he had time, he often was inaccurate with the ball. But there were many opportunities to be had, unlike 2012/13 when Browning had defenders in his face as he received the snap.Totally different situations.
In the end, the Spartans defense played quite well and did what they often do to offenses .. be stingy and frustrate them. But you are overstating the level at which they won at the LOS. Folsom held their own throughout much of that game. DLS also had good coverage schemes and forced Bennett to hold the ball longer than he wanted or take off running in numerous situations.
I totally agree with you. IMO it was close to even at the LOS. 4.4 yards a carry is all you could hope for. One thing I do know about dls is they are going to try and take away the players that can beat them. So no way was Joe Ngata going to have a good day. I would love to have seen what would happen if Folsom would have ran the ball just 70% of the time. Think about it. Folsoms defense played great. But in the end your asking them to do to much when you turn the ball over 5 times. IMO if they would have ran the ball and controlled the clock keeping dls defense on the field as much as possible. They would be packing there bags for a bus ride on Friday to play MD Saturday night for a true state championship.
@ThunderRam
I appreciate the dialogue! Bennet was sacked 4 times in the first half and was tackled for 0 yards, which also looked like a sack from my view. The Bulldogs had poor pass protection and the Spartans were in hot pursuit of Bennett all night long. Let's not forget to mention DLS took the screen away. That's Folsoms bread and butter...
The Spartans had an incredible defensive performance and it was clearly spearheaded by their defensive line. No one shined brighter than DE Isaiah Foskey. He dominated this game! The young man wrecked havoc all game long.
That D line forced Bennett to get rid of the ball quickly and it forced the receivers to take shorter routes. Foskey played like and All American Defensive End.
They held Bennett to -39 yards rushing. It's very uncommon for a dual threat ab to be held to -39 yards rushing; especially at the HS level. The young man was held to 148 yards and forced into 2 fumbles. He was under a ton of pressure. DLS again won the game at the line of scrimmage.
I agree on D. Ngata. I think that he is their best football player. He should have had 30 carries this game especially since DLS was baiting Folsom to run. DLS was not in a run stop defense. The run was there, and when you a have a Notre Dame recruit at running back, you release him!!!!
That's real SJS football!! D.Ngata should have had 2500 yards rushing this season.
I appreciate the dialogue! Bennet was sacked 4 times in the first half and was tackled for 0 yards, which also looked like a sack from my view. The Bulldogs had poor pass protection and the Spartans were in hot pursuit of Bennett all night long. Let's not forget to mention DLS took the screen away. That's Folsoms bread and butter...
The Spartans had an incredible defensive performance and it was clearly spearheaded by their defensive line. No one shined brighter than DE Isaiah Foskey. He dominated this game! The young man wrecked havoc all game long.
That D line forced Bennett to get rid of the ball quickly and it forced the receivers to take shorter routes. Foskey played like and All American Defensive End.
They held Bennett to -39 yards rushing. It's very uncommon for a dual threat ab to be held to -39 yards rushing; especially at the HS level. The young man was held to 148 yards and forced into 2 fumbles. He was under a ton of pressure. DLS again won the game at the line of scrimmage.
I agree on D. Ngata. I think that he is their best football player. He should have had 30 carries this game especially since DLS was baiting Folsom to run. DLS was not in a run stop defense. The run was there, and when you a have a Notre Dame recruit at running back, you release him!!!!
That's real SJS football!! D.Ngata should have had 2500 yards rushing this season.
To be very clear, I'm not entirely discounting what you're saying. I'm just debating to what degree. I believe 'dominate' is an exaggeration. Dominate is what happened in 2012 and 2013. In this year's game, DLS picked their poison (try to take away the pass and contain the QB) and did a phenomenal job, as they usually do. But with better adjustments by Folsom. they may have had to alter that formula to stop the run thus opening up the pass and QB run.
All in all, DLS certainly won a lot of battles at the LOS with their front 7. But they lost some of those battles too which is how Folsom moved the ball and threatened to score several times. That's the point and why I believe it's unfair to say they 'dominated'. I just didn't see it that way. But I can agree that DLS's front 7 won a majority of the battles. But you could say the same on the other side of the ball where Folsom's defensive front got the better of the Spartans offense for most the game. But I wouldn't say Folsom dominated there either.
This is very over-the-top and drastic IMO.
You do realize run and pass oriented, spread teams have given DLS problems and beat them before, right?
What you're proposing is a gross overreaction.
The only thing I agree on is that Folsom needs to work more balance into their offense, specifically against comparable or better competition. Especially with a talent like they have in Daniyel Ngata. Had they done that in August, they probably would have beaten DLS -- while still utilizing the same offensive system they have now. No need to overhaul and change. Just tweak.
They actually had that balance in 2010 with Dano Graves as a dual threat runner then again in 2015 with Jake Jeffrey and Tre Green. While the disparity between pass attempts vs rush attempts over the course of the past 2 seasons hasn't been as large as it seems, they do tend to be pass happy until the game is a blowout which is when the rush attempts tend equal out.
If the online stats are correct, Daniyel Ngata only has 101 total touches in 13 games (70 rush attempts, 31 receptions). The top two WR's combined have more than that. While both are great players, a RB of Daniyel's caliber should have a lot more touches.
One of the reasons Centennial-Corona is so damn hard to stop is that their spread takes full advantage of RB's with Daniyel's ability. Since Folsom hasn't had a RB like him before, they haven't figured out what Matt Logan has.
Good enough. Keep doing what your doing and let me know how it works out for you. This year was one of the best collection of athletes I’ve seen any team from the north have and they still couldn’t get it done week 0, against a sophomore QB. Why? Turnovers. And that Cent10 team you talk about is a total different animal. DLS had no business on the same field as that 2014 cent10 team and yet they still won. Why? Turnovers. One interception changed that whole game. That’s a fact. The rest is just my opinion.
At any level of Football if your O-Line gave up 7 sacks, Your Offense turned the ball over 5 times and scored 0 points, you were "Dominated"....
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