Girls Open…. Mitty takes on Etiwanda.

[becoolpt55]

Anyone think the referees were less than excellent?????

 

[observer22]

Two losses in Texas will keep Etiwanda from national title.

That officiating crew worked two of our games -- just excellent. But the real question is why men work women's games but no women work men's games. There are two aspects:

1) If the women are good enough to work a girls' game, why aren't they good enough to work a men's game?

2) If they're not good enough, then why do the girls get them? Shouldn't the girls have the same quality of officiating as the boys? If CIF is saying female officials aren't qualified for boys' state games, then they shouldn't be working girls' games.

Don’t the refs get graded out based on a review of their work? The top rated refs get to do the biggest games? Do they have 2 separate gradings, 1 for men and another for women? Or do they just take the top rated women refs for the girls games even if there are higher rated men sitting at home? BTW, I thought the refs did a fine job in this game, just bantering about the selection process.

 

[becoolpt55]

What is fine? I give them a C-
Below average

 

[ankleassassin]

My guess is their are more men referees than women referees. just as their are more men players than women players. Refs come from previous players.

Most refs in the bay area never played basketball.

 

[ankleassassin]

Two losses in Texas will keep Etiwanda from national title.

That officiating crew worked two of our games -- just excellent. But the real question is why men work women's games but no women work men's games. There are two aspects:

1) If the women are good enough to work a girls' game, why aren't they good enough to work a men's game?

2) If they're not good enough, then why do the girls get them? Shouldn't the girls have the same quality of officiating as the boys? If CIF is saying female officials aren't qualified for boys' state games, then they shouldn't be working girls' games.

Numbers. There are far more men who ref than women. Also, a lot of men don't want to do girls games.
The JC level to get hired on the women's side you can go to 1 camp and get hired. Some get hired sight unseen. There are just less options and they need officials

 

[ankleassassin]

Don’t the refs get graded out based on a review of their work? The top rated refs get to do the biggest games? Do they have 2 separate gradings, 1 for men and another for women? Or do they just take the top rated women refs for the girls games even if there are higher rated men sitting at home? BTW, I thought the refs did a fine job in this game, just bantering about the selection process.

It's not the highest ranked refs or the same refs would be there every year.
The games are split yearly and rotate.
The crews are from the same high school association and when the tournament starts they already know who is moving all the way to the finals.

 

[observer22]

It's not the highest ranked refs or the same refs would be there every year.
The games are split yearly and rotate.
The crews are from the same high school association and when the tournament starts they already know who is moving all the way to the finals.

Thanks. But are there separate ref rankings, or are they all evaluated on the same things? Are the top refs doing girls games also among the top overall refs?

Also, it makes sense if a ref has been doing girls games all year to have them do girls games in Sacto. It would be ludicrous to have some guy who’s never reffed a girls game get assigned on in a state championship game, even if he was the highest ranked ref available. A lot more goes into these assignments than first appears.

 

[becoolpt55]

Why were the refs calling the game so tight?
It was boring to watch

 

[ankleassassin]

Thanks. But are there separate ref rankings, or are they all evaluated on the same things? Are the top refs doing girls games also among the top overall refs?

Also, it makes sense if a ref has been doing girls games all year to have them do girls games in Sacto. It would be ludicrous to have some guy who’s never reffed a girls game get assigned on in a state championship game, even if he was the highest ranked ref available. A lot more goes into these assignments than first appears.

There really isn't a ranking. 2 people assign the finals crew. 1 from the north 1 from the south.

Another factor is the JC and D2 tournaments happening at the same time.

During the regular season refs work both girls and boys. There aren't enough to have them only do 1 gender.

 

[ClayK]

Most of the refs I know played in high school, at least. David Vann, who does NCS game, is the second all-time leading scorer at St. Mary's College and was drafted by the Warriors.

My point about officiating is this: If an official is qualified enough to work a girls' state championship game, that official should be qualified enough to work a boys' state championship game. If not, why are the girls getting inferior officials? Yes, there are more male officials, so then one would expect more men to work state title games. (Of course there are some excellent female officials.)

 

[ankleassassin]

Most of the refs I know played in high school, at least. David Vann, who does NCS game, is the second all-time leading scorer at St. Mary's College and was drafted by the Warriors.

My point about officiating is this: If an official is qualified enough to work a girls' state championship game, that official should be qualified enough to work a boys' state championship game. If not, why are the girls getting inferior officials? Yes, there are more male officials, so then one would expect more men to work state title games. (Of course there are some excellent female officials.)

The official is qualified. But for optics they would rather have women working the girls games. And there are far less women officiating then men.

Look at the ncaa.. u see tons of men doing women's games and very few women doing men's games.

 

[ClayK]

I agree about the optics. And it's true in the NCAAs just as it is in high school: If there aren't enough qualified women to do men's championship games, then why should those women who aren't qualified be doing women's championship games? The women's/girls' teams are the ones impacted.

 

[ankleassassin]

I agree about the optics. And it's true in the NCAAs just as it is in high school: If there aren't enough qualified women to do men's championship games, then why should those women who aren't qualified be doing women's championship games? The women's/girls' teams are the ones impacted.

you have coached hundreds of girls who are now women. how many officiate?
its not that there isnt enough qualified, there just isnt enough period.
in the ncaa you only work mens or womens. you cannot work both. so its different. i was saying there are more men doing women in ncaa because it is an easier path because there is less competition.
the best in the area female in the area sha'rae is working in the nba now. the real qualified women move on the ncaa, nba, or wnba fast.

 

[ClayK]

Very true about qualified women moving fast. They don't stick around long -- just like coaches.

And it's also true women's games are easier to officiate. Less speed and explosiveness.

 

[ankleassassin]

Very true about qualified women moving fast. They don't stick around long -- just like coaches.

And it's also true women's games are easier to officiate. Less speed and explosiveness.

at the ncaa and wnba also the rules are different. as well as the play obviously.

 

[ankleassassin]

sha'rae mitchell was working your high school games 6 years ago.. she is working in the nba now. they move fast if they are good

 

[colhenrylives]

Super impressed w/Mitty. W/o their best player and unable to shoot, kept the game close and respectable. Fun up and down game. I'm guessing Mitty shot 20 for 80. Didn't see any numbers the whole game. Am I close?

Just a reminder: Even with their best player healthy and playing, Mitty lost the Open title game to Etiwanda in 2023 and 2024. There is no guarantee they would have won this time with her in the lineup.

 

[observer22]

Just a reminder: Even with their best player healthy and playing, Mitty lost the Open title game to Etiwanda in 2023 and 2024. There is no guarantee they would have won this time with her in the lineup.

Certainly no guarantee of a win, in fact they still probably lose. But it would give them a much better chance.