Girls Open…. Mitty takes on Etiwanda.

[becoolpt55]

Anyone think the referees were less than excellent?????

 

[observer22]

Two losses in Texas will keep Etiwanda from national title.

That officiating crew worked two of our games -- just excellent. But the real question is why men work women's games but no women work men's games. There are two aspects:

1) If the women are good enough to work a girls' game, why aren't they good enough to work a men's game?

2) If they're not good enough, then why do the girls get them? Shouldn't the girls have the same quality of officiating as the boys? If CIF is saying female officials aren't qualified for boys' state games, then they shouldn't be working girls' games.

Don’t the refs get graded out based on a review of their work? The top rated refs get to do the biggest games? Do they have 2 separate gradings, 1 for men and another for women? Or do they just take the top rated women refs for the girls games even if there are higher rated men sitting at home? BTW, I thought the refs did a fine job in this game, just bantering about the selection process.

 

[becoolpt55]

What is fine? I give them a C-
Below average

 

[ankleassassin]

My guess is their are more men referees than women referees. just as their are more men players than women players. Refs come from previous players.

Most refs in the bay area never played basketball.

 

[ankleassassin]

Two losses in Texas will keep Etiwanda from national title.

That officiating crew worked two of our games -- just excellent. But the real question is why men work women's games but no women work men's games. There are two aspects:

1) If the women are good enough to work a girls' game, why aren't they good enough to work a men's game?

2) If they're not good enough, then why do the girls get them? Shouldn't the girls have the same quality of officiating as the boys? If CIF is saying female officials aren't qualified for boys' state games, then they shouldn't be working girls' games.

Numbers. There are far more men who ref than women. Also, a lot of men don't want to do girls games.
The JC level to get hired on the women's side you can go to 1 camp and get hired. Some get hired sight unseen. There are just less options and they need officials

 

[ankleassassin]

Don’t the refs get graded out based on a review of their work? The top rated refs get to do the biggest games? Do they have 2 separate gradings, 1 for men and another for women? Or do they just take the top rated women refs for the girls games even if there are higher rated men sitting at home? BTW, I thought the refs did a fine job in this game, just bantering about the selection process.

It's not the highest ranked refs or the same refs would be there every year.
The games are split yearly and rotate.
The crews are from the same high school association and when the tournament starts they already know who is moving all the way to the finals.

 

[observer22]

It's not the highest ranked refs or the same refs would be there every year.
The games are split yearly and rotate.
The crews are from the same high school association and when the tournament starts they already know who is moving all the way to the finals.

Thanks. But are there separate ref rankings, or are they all evaluated on the same things? Are the top refs doing girls games also among the top overall refs?

Also, it makes sense if a ref has been doing girls games all year to have them do girls games in Sacto. It would be ludicrous to have some guy who’s never reffed a girls game get assigned on in a state championship game, even if he was the highest ranked ref available. A lot more goes into these assignments than first appears.

 

[becoolpt55]

Why were the refs calling the game so tight?
It was boring to watch

 

[ankleassassin]

Thanks. But are there separate ref rankings, or are they all evaluated on the same things? Are the top refs doing girls games also among the top overall refs?

Also, it makes sense if a ref has been doing girls games all year to have them do girls games in Sacto. It would be ludicrous to have some guy who’s never reffed a girls game get assigned on in a state championship game, even if he was the highest ranked ref available. A lot more goes into these assignments than first appears.

There really isn't a ranking. 2 people assign the finals crew. 1 from the north 1 from the south.

Another factor is the JC and D2 tournaments happening at the same time.

During the regular season refs work both girls and boys. There aren't enough to have them only do 1 gender.