Is Sparty Done!?
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I think what is funny is people who didn’t follow most of the years of the streak have actually no clue that De La wasn’t loaded with a bunch of D1 atheletes. For christs sakes they have a couple of state title banners as well on the basketball end with not one NBA player. If I am not mistaken their biggest recruit in any of those title years and appearances that they lost went to UCLA and was far from a star.
Armstead is a bad example. His older brother was heavily recruited by colleges before him. PG was a brand new school with Joe Cattalico as its coach. PG hasn't been very good the last several seasons, but when Armstead was there, they lost a section championship his freshman year, won a section championship his junior year, played a game on ESPN his senior year, then lost in the section championship. They were definitely good on a local level. It's true that only Grant and an emerging Folsom were regional names at that time.
A lot of guys out there like that Larry. I think it would be awesome to put a list together of all the powerhouse programs public and Catholic and see how many guys spent years on the NFL from all these schools. Sure making it is great, but many don’t last what 2-3 years at league minimums, hopefully they got big educations from college football factories such as BAMA, and let’s be real, how much class do those guys attend. Coach is making 11mil a year, it doesn’t take a rocket scientist to know Bama’s practice schedule and conditioning during the season isnt based upon class times.
How is he a bad example. Larry is talking about guys from schools with not huge exposure. If he plays out his contract his career earnings cross 100mil and he is close to playing it out. So it’s a great example based on what Larry is saying
PG won the D1 title Armstead's junior year. And made the D1 finals his senior year. They went 10-2, 11-3 and 9-4 the previous three years prior to that run.
I totally agree with the statement that you don't need to chase certain schools, but I think you are selling PG short
Read Streak One's post. That was my point. PG was pretty good then and had pretty significant exposure (nationally televised game that season).
No- Folsom is on the up. DLS is on the down swing.
Folsom should have beat Serra. DLS was lucky to be in the game against Serra.
Big difference.
Speaking of- Will St Marys ever be back? They have been a joke for the past few years.
Honest question. I don't know anything about Stockton teams. Care to share a breakdown of why the decline?
Cream rises to the top.
And you're right about the Kool-Aid drinkers. We have many of them in Folsom.
St. Mary’s has been a joke? St Mary’s (10-3) should have beaten Rocklin in the semi-finals last year. Instead, Rocklin came from behind and won, having spent all of their energy leaving them exhausted losing to Folsom (11-4) in the section championship. The year before they got hit with COVID-19 and only played 4 games only loss to DLS. The two years before that, not great but still a winning record and in those 2 years played a tougher pre-league schedule that nearly every other team in the SJS. The Rams definitely have not been afraid to play the likes of Mater Dei and Mission Viejo from down south. No worries, St. Mary’s like other teams that can go thru a tough spell, are on the rise and will be surprising a lot of teams in the SJS come playoffs. Stay tuned!
Stockton? Def NOT on the rise man. Kool aid drinking at it's finest.
I should have added context to my "joke" comment. That was probably a bit harsh. I meant not relevant. And still aren't.
St. Mary’s should be a D2 or D3 team considering their enrollment. Only D1 because they choose to play in a D1 league and have won their league 14 out of the last 15 years. Anyone who calls St. Mary’s a joke definitely does not know what they are talking about. St. Mary’s is NO JOKE! Seriously!
I recall St. Mary’s does not duck tough non-league competition as well. They have played Serra on the road, DLS, Pitt, O’Dowd in season’s past. Go Rams!
You can't use enrollment as any excuse for a private school, as there are no boundaries, and thus no restrictions whatsoever. That is why a lot of states use a private school applicable multiplier for enrollment to even the playing field with public schools.
St. Mary's is still on a downward trajectory that can't be argued.
Because if DLS was DLS they would’ve beat hell outta a team the quality of this years Serra and we all know it.Fact of the matter is DLS has fallen to the quality of the other NorCal powers not the other way around.
you are paying attention to the score board, but the level of play I saw was a significant downgrade from DLS in the past. If you think this is just some one time event or last season was a rare coincidence, you are likely mistaken my friend. The writing is on the wall for the DLS football program. These administrators like Lopoz and the coach are holding back the program. They are not adapting to the times and they looked extremely sloppy out there.
He waited until there were 10 seconds left in the game to call a timeout, then after the timeout there were 12 people giving an even larger advantage to Serra for the field goal. Even then, their offensive scheme is not desirable. They threw the ball probably 10 times over 2 games. Their qb situation is still up in the air but that 2nd qb they brought in got the offense going. If DLS loses 1 more game during the regular season, you gotta hit the reset button and get rid of the AD Lopoz and the coach.
No excuse because there is nothing to be excused. No downward trajectory in sight. But, that’s okay. Keep sleeping on St. Mary’s. That’s 100% fine with us Rams. We don’t mind being the underdogs and witnessing the delusional eating crow. I heard it tastes great! Continue talking crap here all you want. St. Mary’s will be doing their talking on the field … one game at a time. Stay tuned!
Back to the original discussion ...
De La Salle is nowhere near done, but they're a bit down right now. Neither of their QBs are particularly skilled as passers. Other top teams have schemed to handle their offense. Serra looked very prepared for almost every play they ran. The WCAL schools have tapped into the Antioch/Pittsburg area for talent, and have emphasized bringing in Polynesian kids. All of those factors are adding up. Even in their worst years, DLS will definitely still be among the best teams in the Bay Area, but they may not be THE best anymore.
De La Salle is nowhere near done, but they're a bit down right now. Neither of their QBs are particularly skilled as passers. Other top teams have schemed to handle their offense. Serra looked very prepared for almost every play they ran. The WCAL schools have tapped into the Antioch/Pittsburg area for talent, and have emphasized bringing in Polynesian kids. All of those factors are adding up. Even in their worst years, DLS will definitely still be among the best teams in the Bay Area, but they may not be THE best anymore.
My point was he didn’t need to transfer to mater dei, bosco, or wherever. He could have played anywhere. The Talent, Drive, and background where always there. Tons of stories just like this. Did raleek brown need to go to mater dei to become a National recruit and play at usc? Nope. He was one before he left at Edison. I hate to say it as well but not many 5”8 175 lb NFL players so hopefully he’s getting an education.
As for DLS argument. The gap has narrowed for all the reasons stated. That is very clear. Are they done? No way. Done with crazy streaks that will never be broken yes but not done with being a great program. No way
I didn't see a single poly kid on DLS roster just a bunch of white guys and few african americans. The only guy I saw from Pittsburg is the RB Greer, who was the main weapon for DLS. Serra same thing, although they a few more polynesian kids on their team, but still not enough.
If WCAL is taping into the Antioch/Pittsburg area why don't they send out a van or bus to pick up the kids to take them to school like we do in the Trinity.
Well let’s see a average 2 hours each way. And we still haven’t got to massive traffic volume yet. Friday nights if they have a Saturday game 2 1/2 to 3 back home. I mean currently it is a hour and 15. Sounds like a great plan. And maybe they can get them on a Google style bus with desks so they can do homework coming and going.
Or maybe they could get on Bart and save 15mins and a quick bus ride from the last station to San Mateo.
But hey host families would work perfect Patsy, that’s a good idea, never heard of such.
Faavae and Su’esu’e, Polynesian, you sure about that, hahahahaha.
Thanks HSWiz.........
The original statement and weak research from the armchair expert who is calling for the removal of the administrator, staff, revamping the program and "doing It the way we do it".........weak !
Has anyone ever heard the saying “if it ain’t broke don’t fixit”? DLS has ran the veer with undersized lineman and average to above average players for close to 40 years. And pretty successfully. Don’t get me wrong they have had some very good players but for the most part it’s only a few D-1 players. Two years ago Edison left the program and they hired Nate Kenion as the DC. For some reason he felt the defensive needed to change. And IMO it’s a total mess. They don’t hit anymore, they are way to soft, and they look in total disarray out there. The difference between Alumbaugh and Lad is Lad would have cut him loose along time ago. They have lost other coaches but I think Edison has to be one of the biggest coaching losses in HSFB history in terms of defense and special teams.
Totally Agree!!… Defense is the biggest problem the last 2 years…. If they don’t get TO’s they can’t stop teams….
Pretty much a turnover/retirement of Lad's supporting staff & brain trust. Besides Eidson, Boyce, Crespí, big Joe Aliotti and Mark Panella are gone. A bucket load of experience on both sides of the lines.......and like the faculty many of the current staff are alumni.
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There appears to be great parity in NorCal football. Let’s not be too harsh on DLS. DLS is still a very good program, but their years of being a dominant national powerhouse may be behind them.
Up until recently, DLS has dominated/destroyed NorCal football competition. Their run was amazing! They’re scheduling was ambitious! They had no peers. It’s up for debate: either DLS was that dominant or NorCal football was mediocre.
It took 30 years for a few NorCal teams to catch up with them. While I love the parity, there is now another level that has taken California football by storm. MD and SJB have changed the landscape of CA football. People used to complain about DLS recruiting, but their teams (makeup) have never looked like what we see at SJB/MD.
A few years ago, I thought that it was possible but now I’m not sure if there is a program in NorCal that can pull of what SJB/MD is currently doing.
Anyhow cheers to greater NorCal parity!
Up until recently, DLS has dominated/destroyed NorCal football competition. Their run was amazing! They’re scheduling was ambitious! They had no peers. It’s up for debate: either DLS was that dominant or NorCal football was mediocre.
It took 30 years for a few NorCal teams to catch up with them. While I love the parity, there is now another level that has taken California football by storm. MD and SJB have changed the landscape of CA football. People used to complain about DLS recruiting, but their teams (makeup) have never looked like what we see at SJB/MD.
A few years ago, I thought that it was possible but now I’m not sure if there is a program in NorCal that can pull of what SJB/MD is currently doing.
Anyhow cheers to greater NorCal parity!
Who’s driving from Antioch to Serra? Brentwood To St Francis? Pittsburg to bellermine?
Absolutely nobody in terms of Hs kids. The union contractor who has work in that area and is busting his ass for his family is probably the only one.
For god sake pitt must have 7+ d1 kids starting.
DLS is not a veer team anymore, they were a notch better when they were. Recruiting creates super teams and kills local HS football.
I just watched them this weekend against Serra (which was a frustrating game). They passed it 10 times over 2 games and kept up that damn veer. Serra could easily predict what DLS would do and stopped most of DLS offense except for a few runs by Greer.
Recruiting does not kill local high school football. Quit with the BS. Recruiting enhances the level of the game and pushes us all to be the best. Next man up mentality similar to the competitive culture Pete Carroll use to create at SC. Thats where you wanna be to be the best at your craft. You want normal high school football go play football at Gunn highschool with all the entitled wealthy kids.
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I think DLS as we knew them over the past 4 decades are over with. I don't think any team in America will ever accomplish what DLS has accomplished as a program. I think the program has set the bar so high that even they will struggle to live up to it.
DLS high school football dominated the entire country for decades.
DLS high school football dominated the entire country for decades.
I think the DLS Admin isn't desirous of following the MD, SJB models. Those models are what seems to be the standard if a program seeks to remain nationally relevant. In particular, the recruiting of the best football talent available. I think they simply don't want to do those things, and don't want to be known as a football factory at that level. The program will remain viable, but more like it was in the 80s when LaDoceur was establishing the program and they were a Bay Area/NorCal power.
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