NCP Top 20 - Week of February 12

[Streak One]

1. Salesian (25-1)
2. Bishop O'Dowd (19-5)
3. Modesto Christian (23-3)
4. Sheldon (22-4)
5. Capital Christian (19-7)
6. Menlo (21-1)
7. Palo Alto (20-2)
8. Folsom (21-4)
9. Las Lomas (22-2)
10. Clayton Valley Charter (22-2)
11. Bellarmine (19-3)
12. University (23-2)
13. Dublin (22-3)
14. Heritage (22-2)
15. Berkeley (20-4)
16. St. Francis, Mountain View (17-5)
17. Moreau Catholic (18-5)
18. St. Ignatius (15-7)
19. Central Catholic (24-2)
20. Pleasant Valley (22-2)

 

[bones40]

@streak question based on your rankings specifically teams 6-9 do you feel
any of those 4 teams has a punter's chance at being selected as a norcal
open division candidate?

 

[Streak One]

I think for Menlo or Palo Alto would need to make the CCS finals to make Open. If they do, they are in.

Folsom has a shot if they reach the SJS D1 semi-finals, but I think they would need to make the finals.

Las Lomas has a chance based on some of their wins.

 

[bones40]

So you think Menlo or Palo alto would get selected over Clayton or Dublin providing either
Of the two were to win NCS D1? my point is there are only 8 teams going so somebody
who wins a section final is not going open if the SJS D1 semi finals losers still
Get into the open .

 

[Streak One]

I think this is the formula. Only issue is do they take a fourth from the SJS and thus get the NCS D1 winner in NorCal D1

3 from SJS D1
NCS D1, D2 (O'Dowd) and D3 (Salesian)
2 from CCS

 

[bones40]

What if Las Lomas were to beat O'dowd in NCS d2 section final (which could happen)
who would be odd man out then?.

 

[Streak One]

I think O'Dowd is in if they make the finals. So Las Lomas would go with O'Dowd and likely push the NCS D1 winner out. Especially with Las Lomas getting the win over CVC last week.

So basically, a lot is left to be decided.

 

[tababe1973]

1. Salesian (25-1)
2. Bishop O'Dowd (19-5)
3. Modesto Christian (23-3)
4. Sheldon (22-4)
5. Capital Christian (19-7)
6. Menlo (21-1)
7. Palo Alto (20-2)
8. Folsom (21-4)
9. Las Lomas (22-2)
10. Clayton Valley Charter (22-2)
11. Bellarmine (19-3)
12. University (23-2)
13. Dublin (22-3)
14. Heritage (22-2)
15. Berkeley (20-4)
16. St. Francis, Mountain View (17-5)
17. Moreau Catholic (18-5)
18. St. Ignatius (15-7)
19. Central Catholic (24-2)
20. Pleasant Valley (22-2)

I guess you have not seen St. Joseph's play! They played 3rd most difficult schedule in Norcal without there top 2 players in preseason and since January 2018 have them back! Have you looked at what they done since there return? And the WCS is overanked this year

 

[Streak One]

3rd best schedule in NorCal? Outside of Folsom and Brophy, what top team did they play? O'Dowd, Salesian, Folsom, Sheldon, Capital, Modesto Christian have all played tougher schedules off the top of the my head.

They are playing well with the transfers getting eligible, but I don't think they are a Top 20 team now. Can you put them above Sac?

 

[youseechief]

I guess you have not seen St. Joseph's play! They played 3rd most difficult schedule in Norcal without there top 2 players in preseason and since January 2018 have them back! Have you looked at what they done since there return? And the WCS is overanked this year

I love SJND but you are a bit off. They may not have a top 10 schedule in NORCAL. They are playing well and I could see them getting in if a few MAJOR upsets happen early.

 

[tababe1973]

3rd best schedule in NorCal? Outside of Folsom and Brophy, what top team did they play? O'Dowd, Salesian, Folsom, Sheldon, Capital, Modesto Christian have all played tougher schedules off the top of the my head.

They are playing well with the transfers getting eligible, but I don't think they are a Top 20 team now. Can you put them above Sac?

Well, a OT loss to Bishop O'Dowd on the 2nd game being eligible to play & the following Sat. a close loss to Sac 4-5 games playing with each other. The win against St. Pat's and them now understanding how to play gives some credence. You have to remember those teams had close to 20 games playing with each other before the close games to St. Joe's.

 

[tababe1973]

Well, a OT loss to Bishop O'Dowd on the 2nd game being eligible to play & the following Sat. a close loss to Sac 4-5 games playing with each other. The win against St. Pat's and them now understanding how to play gives some credence. You have to remember those teams had close to 20 games playing with each other before the close games to St. Joe's.

BTW... they played Campolindo, St. Mary's-Stockton, Tracy, Alameda, Immanuel, Sacred Heart Cathedral-SF-, Buchanan, to name a few

 

[youseechief]

I seriously doubt they want to be in open. I have no doubt SJND could give people a solid game but they wouldn't have a legitimate shot to win it imo. Let them slug it out for a D4 state title which should come from NORCAL this seeing as how the south has decimated their lower divisions.

 

[observer22]

I seriously doubt they want to be in open. I have no doubt SJND could give people a solid game but they wouldn't have a legitimate shot to win it imo. Let them slug it out for a D4 state title which should come from NORCAL this seeing as how the south has decimated their lower divisions.

I thought all the top teams would be moving up in NorCals this year due to competitive equity, so St. Joe's could potentially end up D1 if they don't make the Open?

 

[Straight8]

I don’t know much about what goes with moving teams up or down but I would guess not much moving will happen in NCS. NCS needs Teams in the lower division to compete against So-Cal for State titles. I wouldn’t move SJND, SPSV, Salesian, O’Dowd or Moreau any time soon especially when on a good year they can play in Nor-Cal open.

 

[tababe1973]

I thought all the top teams would be moving up in NorCals this year due to competitive equity, so St. Joe's could potentially end up D1 if they don't make the Open?

Great input! Just wanted to bring to your attention. BTW there's a great article today in the SF Chronicle on St. Joe's

 

[colhenrylives]

I seriously doubt they want to be in open. I have no doubt SJND could give people a solid game but they wouldn't have a legitimate shot to win it imo. Let them slug it out for a D4 state title which should come from NORCAL this seeing as how the south has decimated their lower divisions.

That's a very good point re SoCal domination. Since the South has many more schools, it can parcel strong teams throughout the divisions without sweating too many details. The Southern Section, by itself, has more schools than all of NorCal sections combined. Anything the NorCal seeding/placement committee can do to strengthen the lower divisions would be recommended.

 

[Streak One]

How it works is there will be at most 88 eligible teams for the NorCal playoffs from the different sections. First 8 go to Open, next 16 in D1 and so on. What division you play in for your section has no bearing. My guess is St. Joes will end up on the border of D1/D2.

 

[MoneyTeam0115]

@Streak One really? Why is it like that now? If NCS division 1 teams lose first round do they go to a lower division for NorCal or what?

 

[Streak One]

Sections have a max amount of bids for NorCal. I think after the semifinal it's, then they choose similar to last year.

The new format is the new competitive equity model. It was used in Volleyball this year with mixed results. Open and D1 will be very good. D2 will be solid to good basketball. D3 and down will get thin in a hurry

 

[MoneyTeam0115]

I’m confused. Each Section has a certain amount of bids. So let’s say De La Salle loses 2nd round of NCS and doesn’t make Division 1 NorCal they can end up playing in division 2 or 3 etc... @Streak One

 

[DonniePeckerwood]

LL and CVC too high. Dublin too low. Moreau Catholic probably too high too.

 

[Streak One]

Take the NCS. They have 24 bids this year. You will have the four semi-finalists from the five divisions (20) plus four more. It it up to the section commissioner who the final four are, but I think it is off seeding or some other metric.

From there, the 24 teams are put on the boards with teams from the other section and then they start to decide. 8 for Open, 16 for D1 and so on.

So in theory, you could have a NCS D2 team like Las Lomas in D1 and a NCS D1 team in D2 depending on the strength of those teams.

This is how I understand it. However, no one knows for certain until the CIF shows a finished product next month