That’s tough for Salesian. I feel like they were pretty even but I guess de la Salle tougher league gave them the nod. It’s almost impossible to beat de la Salle in their gym not that I complain about refs but I’ve seen some jobs done over there. 😆 and I know they’re outside refs but for some reason, they always get the calls when they’re at home.
NCS open-division 3 seedings
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This was definitely on the radar for potential upset. They can flop though. Plus redwood has home court. Reality is they are more like a 4 seed. With Clayton being the #1 and Dougherty #2. Redwood 3. Lets see how 2nd half gos.
Redwood picks up intensity so does the crowd and then the refs here and their join in … it is all part of the fun!
This is where you find out who has been training intense situations at the right time of the year. The stretch run is where the money is made. You gotta be a little different at this time of year!
Redwood 45 acalanes 44 4 minutes +
This is where you find out who has been training intense situations at the right time of the year. The stretch run is where the money is made. You gotta be a little different at this time of year!
Redwood 45 acalanes 44 4 minutes +
You are speaking facts here for sure there
Playoff game last year against branson
comes to mind you could tell in the first half
That branson had NO chance to win there and that branson team was loaded very bad
Odor in the gym was left by the officiating crew That night!
I don’t think the game will be played at de la Salle for the NCS championship !? If they make it. Should be neutral.
But will they be “outside refs?” As far as I know the NCS championships have always had NCS refs. It’s NorCal where they bring in outside refs.
This game showed the significant difference between the EBAL and DAL. Amador is a lower tier EBAL team. NG when healthy handled Campo and Acalanes. Until Perryman came back the entire DAL was way down this season.
True. Amador (21-9) has a good squad, but came in 7th place in the rough & tumble EBAL. Put them in most any other league and they are likely top 3.
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No debate about the superiority of the Ebal . #1 league in nor cal. Where does the dal stack up in nor cal ?
DAL is down significantly from prior years. Only 1 total team left in all NCS. No DAL teams came close to the Open. A healthy CVC team is the only legitimate DAL squad this season. It's a below average league to me.
Most don't realize this but Amador took Dublin, Dela (with blair), SRV, and DV (without having one of krueger brothers) to the final 1 min or OT in EBAL this year. Definitely showing EBAL strength.
It is a shame NCS takes only 3 from D1 and D2. With the new fair play max preps rankings they needed to change the automatic bids since they are pulling the best teams up. D1 and D2 are too loaded with the new seeding rules to only take 3.
For instance (nothing against Berkeley) Berkeley is D1 playing in D3 and would finish last in Ebal this year but could take 3rd in D3 NCS and get a state bid. Same logic for Alhambra playing in D5. The final 4 in D1 and D2 don't have automatic bids. And why would they give 4 automatic to D6 and it doesn't even fill a bracket.
Currently 25 spots:
6-open
15 from final 3 of D1-D5
4 from D6.
If the goal was to send the best representation from Norcal with the new max preps seeding; I am shocked they didn't change the automatic bids to match that. Look at CCS, not near as deep as NCS yet they have 8 automatic bids in open.
I like that they went to the max preps-solve on the court, but they needed to think deeper about the outcomes.
The 25 spots should be:
(6) open
(8) final 4 in D1 and D2
(9) final 3 in D3-D5
(2) finals in D6
Just my opinion.
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NCS refs can be from any league within the vast geography of the section, not just the officials that worked a school's respective league.
Don't buy into the narrative that the officials care one way or another who wins. Coaches and fans try to blame, but we miss plays for both sides.
I’m aware the refs don’t care who wins. I was just pointing out the NCS games have NCS refs. The refs that worked the DLS-Dublin game were seasoned NCS refs that we’ve seen all season, not outside refs. I thought they did a good job.
Dougherty valley Div1 sectionals was not the goal by any means. In fact it was a let down vs expectations. Deflating the enthusiasm of many. With that in the rear view they have a competition in front of them that matches up with their ability’s. Lets see if their momentum/spirit can continue to build in the regionals.
So basically there was no advantage at all for the teams that played in the NCS open
Division as DV was placed above 3 of the
Teams that made the open including a dublin team who beat DV head to head.
Division as DV was placed above 3 of the
Teams that made the open including a dublin team who beat DV head to head.
Not positive about how they do it for the regionals in regards to seeding
It would make sense to me that Doherty Valley went on a winning streak. DV winning four straight for the sectional title. That would’ve most certainly knocked their rating up with MaxPreps. Explaining the jump above Dublin. Whether we like it or not.
Do we know we’re regionals done like sectionals were for North Coast?
Cal Highs performance since they earned open bracket. Two blowout losses. Including one to Liberty . Many argued Liberty should not have made the open bracket. Seems like the system punished cal for laying such a rotten egg. possibly one of their best players was out? Still system doesn’t recognize that.
2 completely different scenarios. Cal played Liberty without their best player, who was injured. They played 2 away games against Open teams that were already ranked ahead of them.
Dougherty was able to play 4 home games against teams ranked below them. They still had to win them, but they had no trouble whatsoever.
And now in NorCal, Cal has to go on the road against top seeded 28-2 Inderkum, while Dougherty is afforded another home game. I’d say being in the Open didn’t do Cal any favors.
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No debate about it not doing them a favor. Trying to understand why? Do they seed solely based on max preps ?
This is from the Mercury News..
Nathan Canilao: Dougherty Valley’s boys team got a higher seed in the NorCal D1 bracket as an NCS Division I champion over California and Liberty – two teams that were in the NCS Open Division. Did you think the NCS just got it wrong and that it needed to be corrected for the state playoffs?
Brian Seymour: The NCS for the first time is using the computer rankings to determine the placement of their teams. So whenever you have something new, you have to go through it for a couple of years to fix the bugs that are presented when you’re just using the computer. We don’t use just computers only for the state, but we do use a number of different computer methods and metrics. But for the case of the NCS, the computer spitted out the ranking and it had Dougherty Valley on the outside of its six-team Open Division. And so once Dougherty Valley played extremely well in Division I, and Cal High and Liberty were early exits out of the NCS Open, the North Coast Section saw that and said, ‘Hey, you know what, this is an opportunity to go ahead and put a team that’s playing really well right now up above.’”
Also from Mercury News
Nathan Canilao: Dougherty Valley did get the No. 6 seed in Division I and right behind them is Dublin at No. 7. Dublin did have a head-to-head win over Dougherty Valley and won a game in the NCS Open Division. Why was Dougherty Valley given the nod?
Brian Seymour: Dougherty just played really good basketball and the committee felt like that’s where they had earned their way into that spot.
Considering how close it was between Liberty , cal and Dougherty . Makes sense that Cal would be behind all (Dublin, Liberty and dv) . It is where they belonged for sectionals. If humans were involved you would of seen dv in the open. Even if DV had another loss . Still Open for DV with humans. For many reasons that do not all involve power rankings.
If cal could of pulled off a div 1 title. It would’ve been a historical win for the school and community. Another reason why humans would’ve placed them in div 1. It’s sometimes about the story and providing the opportunity.
If cal could of pulled off a div 1 title. It would’ve been a historical win for the school and community. Another reason why humans would’ve placed them in div 1. It’s sometimes about the story and providing the opportunity.
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If university is healthy ? #24 … They have the ability to do some good in div 3. Randy when your on the road you need to fight fire with an inferno. Bring that intensity back ! I saw it couple years ago from you. Fun to watch . Surprised to see you not fight for your guys. When the home team/coaches/crowd took over in your loss to Moreau. That near the baseline tantrum by their staff needed to get exposed immediately by you.
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