NCS Playoff Predictions (1 week early)
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It is what it is. Rule has always been in place about petitioning up for years. Never seen anyone claim how unfair it is until now. People should have been complaining long before this year because the potential of what is happening this year (CN/MC/Eureka) has been there all along.
Because it usually about petitioning UP not down. If a good team wants to go up then great go for it, but down is different. I guess we will see Sunday how committee selects then the games must be played. Bottom line ultimately it doesnt matter, if Marin Catholic is best team they will win whether there are a 4 or a 1 seed. I think they may have done better staying in D3 anyway.
I guess nobody ever thought Newman and MC would actually choose to play down where they know they have a competitive advantage. MC, Newman and Miramonte have made their division decisions for one reason, ducking Campo. Period. Newman got absolutely rolled in the playoffs last year. They all picked what they thought would be an easier road. Trying to justify any other way is silly.
Or not. Irvington just forfeited all of their wins this season.
http://www.ibabuzz.com/prepcorner/2015/11/04/irvington-football-forfeits-five-wins/
So I expect there will only be 12 D-I playoff teams (giving the 4-seed a bye into round 2). None of those forfeits appear to make any other teams playoff eligible.
Thing is, they don't need to justify anything. They're playing at the level that the NCS said they should based on their enrollment. They played up in previous years in order to make their teams eligible for a bowl game, but since there's no longer a reason to do that, they're going back to the level all of the schools agreed to. Their coaches and AD's are doing what they think is best for their kids, which is what they should be doing.
Hmmmm really? MC was played campo tight last year and were driving for the win on a missed fumble call by the refs and Campo isn't better this year than last year? Like I said earlier if MC wins D3 they play in the small school Open game most likely, they win D4 they play in the small school Open game.....so yeah what's the point of not playing your enrollement Division? In the past the D4 and D3 winner were playing for the same bowl game, so yeah they had to petition up.......not the case anymore so don't blame the teams why don't you put down the CIF for allowing 13 bowls games in the first place
what is the competitive advantage in D4 over D3??? Top to bottom D4 is deeper than D3, Campo is very good but they aren't DLS lol D3 has only 8 teams with even a positive Calprep rating, D4 has got 12 so not really a valid argument
We are talking about this year tho.......Moreau, SMB, JS, CN are all about the same size we aren't talking about private schools straddling the top of the enrollement border, they are schools 600-700 kids just like the other privates in D4 that no one ever taken issue with before, sorry FT Bragg and St Helena weren't winning D4 anyways with or w/out CN or MC
No arguments about the past like I said, but this year with the new CIF bowl systems its the smart move and it coincides with a strong year for D4 and a weak D3 ..........so this year it makes sense.....I really liked the bowl system as it was before tbh
Yes they beat Orlando,a fine win.What about the records of the teams they have beaten? You made a point about listing the teams SMB beat and the records of those teams.Why didn't you do the same to Fortuna. We know about the Orland win.I say that because you brought up the records of El Cerrito,Pinhole, and Hercules and seemed to scuff at them without looking at who some of those losses were to.
Of course none of this means a thing once the playoffs start.Any and all speculation about schedules and opponents will be settled on the field.Should be interesting
There is a difference to the public small schools. MC & CN draw from all over their respective counties. Middletown draws from its school district from 13K total population. Anyone that says a team like Fort Bragg being in the same division as CN is right, does not understand what the divisions are for. They are there for competitive balance.
That is why all of the private schools should have to play up at least one division. The NCS hasn't had to deal with it because CN has been petitioning up for 25+ years and MC has been for many years as well. Because of the bowl games CN and MC are using the small window to raise their odds of making it to the state game(ducking Campo) I have talked with several CN alumns that are embarrassed by the move and for good reason.
The NCS will get wise just like the SJS with Central Catholic, the Southern Section with Serra G, Oaks, etc, etc..... I'm certainly not saying that CN and MC should be in D1 because they wouldn't be competitive, but they should at least play up one division, and not be placed with a true small schools such as St. Helena, Kelseyville, etc.
So you are saying since 7 of the 18 teams in D5 are private they should play D4 and leave D5 with only 11 teams??? So no privates allowed in D5? Hmmmmm......JS, SMB, Moreau, Harker,MC, and CN should go D3 putting 27 teams in D3....moving BOD to D2?
Obviously they would need to shift enrollment numbers to even out the numbers per division a little more.
I know where the divisions are for. But still don't see any difference what a team like Middletown using the system the same way MC is? It's right for one but not for others? Just seems like prejudicial and selective companing.
To say these other teams can't compete is kind of a disservice. I was at he NCS title game at SRJC when Fort Bragg won a 2A title against Healdsburg. And you know it was the same exact playoff division (2A) MC was in the that year as well.
So you think it's competitive to have public schools such as Kelseyville and El Molino in the same division as CN and MC?
That 99 year was all screwed up. Middletown was the NCS class A champ and they beat Kelseyville in the championship, who beat Fort Bragg in league. Fort Bragg beat Healdsburg in the 2A championship. Earlier in the season Healdsburg beat Ukiah who won the 3A. That year was an anomaly. That Fort Bragg team was good though, but again small schools can only play with guys in their small town. CN can draw from 550K+, and MC 250K +. They have a competitive ad vantage and therefore should be in a higher division. Just my opinion.
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so you are saying then that in EVERY sport (boys and girls) at all the private schools should have to play up? or are you just limiting it to football? Because I do know that there are girls sports at CN that would get crushed in D3. NEVER have a shot at competing in D3.... teams with small #'s of players. Where D4 is PERFECT for them. after all they only have 250 girls in the school. So you try and correct 1 sport...and screw up the others. Best intentions...right?
This is a football board, so naturally I'm talking about football, and you are right I was not considering the other sports. However, just because CN doesn't dominate at certain sports in D3, doesn't mean they can't compete. Public schools come in last place in some sports, and that's just the way it is.
What I am saying is they have a competitive advantage over true small schools, so why lump them in a division with small schools from small towns that they have a competitive advantage over. That defeats the purpose of what the divisions are for. It was fine when CN was playing in the football division where they belong (D2/D3). The SJS has St.Marys and Central Catholic play up and they compete and are fine with it. CN competes well with those schools, yet choses to play in the lowest division possible in their own section. I just think it's a pussy move. Better move down after playing in D2/D3 for the past 25+ year so we can get little Johny a trophy.
It's too bad because I think they could have won D3 this year.
Again, in not saying it is righ or wrong but it is perfectly legit and within the specifications outlined. My only gripe is the blame being placed on the schools doing it. Actually that's not true because its selective on the schools.
Bring up another school that is doing the same exact thing or has in the past and it is deflected with smoke and mirrors, "it's not the same" "apples to oranges".
If the NCS changes their divisions up that would be great, I wouldn't bitch one bit. Hell use a multiplier if they see fit. But the chants of unfair should have been echoed well well earlier than this past September and aimed at the NCS, not the schools who don't set the divisions
Btw MC and CN haven't been playing up for 25 years??? Not true at all I was at MC battling Newman in the mid 90's for 2A titles which is the equivalent of D4
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2A was the equivalent to D3.
Class B (Ferndale) was equivalent to D5, A=D4 (Fort Bragg) 2A=D3 (CN), 3A=D2 (Montgomery) , 4A =D1 DLS.
2A was the equivalent to D3.
Class B (Ferndale) was equivalent to D5, A=D4 (Fort Bragg) 2A=D3 (CN), 3A=D2 (Montgomery) , 4A =D1 DLS.
My bad I forgot about Class B, but MC and CN were playing at their natural enrollment at that time....they weren't moving when they were playing 2A that's what NCS classified them at, it was even more of issue back then because of the RE and East Bay split........the next year after 1997 when MC beat Healdsburg for the 2A, MC moved up to 3A when they took out a Tosh Burris lead Monty team 38-0, CN and MC weren't petitioning up from A to 2A (they just were 2A based on their divisions)
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True enough. Again, these were my predictions based on what I've seen the committees do for the last 10 years. For sure I'm going to be wrong on some, and we'll find out in a little over 48 hours. That's when the real fun will start!
Clayton shouldn't be in D2
Miramonte should be in D2
Campolindo should be in D2/1 depending on if they blow through the playoffs again
DLS shouldn't play D1. That way, Campo/Antioch/Clayton/Pitt/Foothill all have a chance of being D1 champ instead of every year runner ups
Miramonte should be in D2
Campolindo should be in D2/1 depending on if they blow through the playoffs again
DLS shouldn't play D1. That way, Campo/Antioch/Clayton/Pitt/Foothill all have a chance of being D1 champ instead of every year runner ups
