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NorCal Football Top 20 Rankings

Streak One

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1. De La Salle
2. Folsom
3. Serra
4. Liberty
5. Valley Christian
6. Menlo-Atherton
7. Cardinal Newman
8. Pittsburg
9. St. Francis
10. Oak Ridge
11. Monte Vista
12. Clayton Valley Charter
13. Wilcox
14. St. Mary's
15. Inderkum
16. McClymonds
17. Marin Catholic
18. Turlock
19. Los Gatos
20. California
 
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Streak, I'll be the first to say you're usually accurate more than most and more knowledgeable as well on the bigger picture. I'm more specific as to the CCS and specifically the WCAL as you already know. For what its worth I already have Serra in the #2 spot after the showing Folsom put on vs DLS and how I saw DLS perform vs their first 2 opponents, one of which was St. Francis. Folsom has won its 2 games against very weak teams and then was behind badly in the 1/2 vs DLS - again this was not the close game Folsom fans hoped for. I could be wrong but at this stage in the early season I think Folsom is at #2 in some polls simply because they are Folsom - which begs the question: are they as good as the last several seasons and compared to their better teams? I could be wrong but I think if you took a poll many fans would put Serra in that same #2 spot as I have. Serra typically goes into WCAL league play with a losing record due to their tough pre-season schedule. This season its 3-0 against 3 solid opponents based upon what they've done against other teams. I think this Serra team is just a bit better than the other very good Serra teams of late.
 
If the Peninsula Padres run the WCAL table, an annual gauntlet to be sure, the No.2 rating seems fair. Until then, probably not.
 
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Not chopped liver at all...VC is #3 or #4 and would give Folsom a good tussle as well... Let's see, I think Folsom rushed for about 60 yards against DLS & I would bet a few sawbucks that VC would do at least as well...
 
There is a strong argument for Serra to be at 2. Folsom remains very talented but I think they are a step back from last year’s team. It is more DLS in tier one by themselves and then a tier two that includes at Folsom and Serra.

The Folsom and Menlo Atherton game will be interesting to see
 
Interesting for about a quarter. Turlock is an overlooked team that will make a run in the playoffs. They have an outstanding OL with timely playcalling.
 
Interesting for about a quarter. Turlock is an overlooked team that will make a run in the playoffs. They have an outstanding OL with timely playcalling.
Turlock has a nagging thorn in its paw called Clayton Valley. They may make a run in playoffs, but if they haven't made a superior relative improvement over the rest of the season, their playoff run will be short.
 
Streak, I'll be the first to say you're usually accurate more than most and more knowledgeable as well on the bigger picture. I'm more specific as to the CCS and specifically the WCAL as you already know. For what its worth I already have Serra in the #2 spot after the showing Folsom put on vs DLS and how I saw DLS perform vs their first 2 opponents, one of which was St. Francis. Folsom has won its 2 games against very weak teams and then was behind badly in the 1/2 vs DLS - again this was not the close game Folsom fans hoped for. I could be wrong but at this stage in the early season I think Folsom is at #2 in some polls simply because they are Folsom - which begs the question: are they as good as the last several seasons and compared to their better teams? I could be wrong but I think if you took a poll many fans would put Serra in that same #2 spot as I have. Serra typically goes into WCAL league play with a losing record due to their tough pre-season schedule. This season its 3-0 against 3 solid opponents based upon what they've done against other teams. I think this Serra team is just a bit better than the other very good Serra teams of late.

I agree with you on Serra, Their Schedule and how dominant they have been says they are #2 in Nor Cal right now....

Any team can be down 42-14 in the 4th quarter to DLS that is nothing special...

The “Polls” though I believe will wait until Folsom plays MA Next week... If Folsom wins a 45-14 type of game, then Folsom will remain #2.... If it happens to be a close game Serra will leapfrog Folsom...
 
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Not chopped liver at all...VC is #3 or #4 and would give Folsom a good tussle as well... Let's see, I think Folsom rushed for about 60 yards against DLS & I would bet a few sawbucks that VC would do at least as well...
Although primarily a fan of VC, I also concur that Serra has given good reason to be #3 and maybe even #2 in NorCal. In order for VC to be competitive or even beat Serra, they must have a multi-lateral defense and a more robust offense - both of which appear to be less than adequate for the Serra gauntlet coming in 7 weeks. Even so, VC surprised Serra last year.
 
I agree with you on Serra, Their Schedule and how dominant they have been says they are #2 in Nor Cal right now....

Any team can be down 42-14 in the 4th quarter to DLS that is nothing special...

The “Polls” though I believe will wait until Folsom plays MA Next week... If Folsom wins a 45-14 type of game, then Folsom will remain #2.... If it happens to be a close game Serra will leapfrog Folsom...


To everyone on this thread....I can tell you directly Serra players have VC on a bulls eye target. Once they get through that hurdle there's only one goal and that is to play DE LA SALLE for NOR CAL Championship. The Serra played on the Nor Cal FBU All Star team together and know each other well. The goal for Serra Padres is to Win WCAL, Win CCS and Play DLS...plain and simple.
 
There is a strong argument for Serra to be at 2. Folsom remains very talented but I think they are a step back from last year’s team. It is more DLS in tier one by themselves and then a tier two that includes at Folsom and Serra.

The Folsom and Menlo Atherton game will be interesting to see

I agree. Folsom isn't near as deep or complete as last season. They certainly aren't as good defensively, but might be a bit more diverse offensively. A lot also depends upon the health of Daniyel Ngata. He seems to be dealing with a knee/hip issue. If that continues or gets worse, it'll greatly limit what they can do.

I also think those piling on Folsom's loss to DLS need to recognize that most teams wouldn't have been able to make the comeback Folsom did once down by 28. Most teams aren't going to be able to muster 27 points and Folsom came very close to scoring over 30 if Ngata had been able to hold on to that 4th down pass (I've reviewed the play on video a few times and he had the defense beat if he catches it and turns it up).

30+ has only happened 6 times since 1979 (against teams North of Fresno) and Folsom was one completion from it. Even then, 27+ has only happened 6 times this millennium. So let's give Folsom a little bit of credit and respect.

Having conveyed that, I also believe there's a fair chance that Serra is the #2 team in NorCal. They look mighty, mighty good. If things unfold as expected, we are likely to see Folsom and Serra play it out on the field. But I don't believe Folsom's performance against DLS should drop them in any way. Not the way their offense looked in the 2nd half against the Spartans starting unit which remained on the field the entire game.

If Folsom loses to MA or struggles to win, then it changes things.
 
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To everyone on this thread....I can tell you directly Serra players have VC on a bulls eye target. Once they get through that hurdle there's only one goal and that is to play DE LA SALLE for NOR CAL Championship. The Serra played on the Nor Cal FBU All Star team together and know each other well. The goal for Serra Padres is to Win WCAL, Win CCS and Play DLS...plain and simple.

Serra will not play DLS this year. See the Folsom Rule. Serra or VC will likely play the top SJS team (likely Folsom) for the #2 slot in NorCal. DLS will get an auto bid directly to the Open final barring some huge upset along the way.
 
Serra will not play DLS this year. See the Folsom Rule. Serra or VC will likely play the top SJS team (likely Folsom) for the #2 slot in NorCal. DLS will get an auto bid directly to the Open final barring some huge upset along the way.

observer22 is spot on. If DLS wins out, they get a BYE week after the NCS Finals then play in the SBG Open.

The CCS Open winner will likely face the SJS D1 winner in the NorCal Division 1 AA for the right to play in the SBG Division 1 AA.

Regardless who the teams are, #2 in NorCal will be decided on the field.
 
It’s a bit early, but consider this scenario:

Folsom wins out from here, and takes home the SJS DI Title. Only loss to #1 DLS.
Serra/VC is undefeated
Central (Fresno) is undefeated

Who stays home? Or can CIF still decide to push a Central Section champ back to So Cal if they want. Until then, rankings are just fun to debate, but don’t really mean a thing.
 
It’s a bit early, but consider this scenario:

Folsom wins out from here, and takes home the SJS DI Title. Only loss to #1 DLS.
Serra/VC is undefeated
Central (Fresno) is undefeated

Who stays home? Or can CIF still decide to push a Central Section champ back to So Cal if they want. Until then, rankings are just fun to debate, but don’t really mean a thing.

CS D1 participates in NorCal. They aren't gonna arbitrarily change that just to avoid the above scenario.

It's a great question. I mean, how much latitude do they afford Folsom?

DLS got into the SBG Open over undefeated Rocklin in 2009 despite 2 losses (one of which was a blowout) largely because of who they lost to. However, they didn't get into the SBG Open over undefeated Grant Union in 2008 despite only a single 2pt loss to Don Bosco Prep.

However, I feel that past precedent is there in that a respectable loss to an elite opponent will be overlooked. I think it would really depend upon how dominant all three teams are in all their wins.

Also, Folsom's blow out wins over Central each of the past 2 seasons might also factor in, right or wrong. I mean, DLS's history of beating teams convincingly in previous seasons seems to help them -- as it is one of the reasons the Regional Open doesn't exists anymore -- so why shouldn't it benefit Folsom too?? Just saying....
 
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To everyone on this thread....I can tell you directly Serra players have VC on a bulls eye target. Once they get through that hurdle there's only one goal and that is to play DE LA SALLE for NOR CAL Championship. The Serra played on the Nor Cal FBU All Star team together and know each other well. The goal for Serra Padres is to Win WCAL, Win CCS and Play DLS...plain and simple.
Most certainly Serra has VC in their scope - they have to know that this year VC and much less likely SF are the only teams in the WCAL that have any chance to stop them.

But then you falter in your understanding the of the HSFB landscape in CA. There is zero chance Serra will play DLS this year unless DLS loses a regular season game and won't win the SBG Open spot. The more likely match up is the RBG D1-AA with Folsom or a CS team like Central or Buchanan, assuming they can win their respective sectional titles.
 
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It’s a bit early, but consider this scenario:

Folsom wins out from here, and takes home the SJS DI Title. Only loss to #1 DLS.
Serra/VC is undefeated
Central (Fresno) is undefeated

Who stays home? Or can CIF still decide to push a Central Section champ back to So Cal if they want. Until then, rankings are just fun to debate, but don’t really mean a thing.

No one stays home. It’s just whether they advance to D-IAA or D-IA.
 
To everyone on this thread....I can tell you directly Serra players have VC on a bulls eye target. Once they get through that hurdle there's only one goal and that is to play DE LA SALLE for NOR CAL Championship. The Serra played on the Nor Cal FBU All Star team together and know each other well. The goal for Serra Padres is to Win WCAL, Win CCS and Play DLS...plain and simple.

I’m sure that is not their goal. I would imagine every player in NorCal knows DLS will get the NorCal Bye, which has happened every year since the Folsom Rule was implemented.
 
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To everyone on this thread....I can tell you directly Serra players have VC on a bulls eye target. Once they get through that hurdle there's only one goal and that is to play FOLSOM for NOR CAL D1 Championship. The Serra played on the Nor Cal FBU All Star team together and know each other well. The goal for Serra Padres is to Win WCAL, Win CCS and Play FOLSOM...plain and simple.

Fixed it for you
 
Need to remember that Folsom was fortunate to recover two onside kicks, which seemed to surprise DLS. Assuming the Spartans handled those onside kicks, you are probably looking at 49-21. It is sometimes difficult to keep up the pace when you are 28 points ahead.
 
Need to remember that Folsom was fortunate to recover two onside kicks, which seemed to surprise DLS. Assuming the Spartans handled those onside kicks, you are probably looking at 49-21. It is sometimes difficult to keep up the pace when you are 28 points ahead.

I don't agree with the idea that Folsom was fortunate to recover two onsides. It is a football game. Plays go well. Plays don't go well. Usually good team find a way to limit the bad plays, but they do happen

I strongly believe De La Salle didn't go over film and think, "well Folsom was lucky on the onsides. No need to spend more time on it this week."
 
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I don't agree with the idea that Folsom was fortunate to recover two onsides. It is a football game. Plays go well. Plays don't go well. Usually good team find a way to limit the bad plays, but they do happen

I strongly believe De La Salle didn't go over film and think, "well Folsom was lucky on the onsides. No need to spend more time on it this week."

Absolutely right. You shouldn’t discredit a good special teams play, even if partially fortunate, while giving full credit for offensive/defensive plays that often occur in the same way.
 
Agree TR.

Its like certain DLS supporters (or more likely....Folsom haters) just can’t ever give any credit to The Bulldogs...ever. Look, DLS won that last weekend game..no doubt. But instead of some acknowledgement that perhaps the Bulldogs started to put some things together against DLS....or just not saying anything...we start to get posts out of left field about how DLS played “2nd and 3rd stringers” or how “Folsom was lucky to recover the onside kicks (which only resulted in 6 points, BTW)”, or how Badger ‘pushed off’ on that TD catch, Or that Folsom’s Coaching is bad, or all the whining about the ticketing process, etc etc etc. sheesh...we get it folks. You don’t like Folsom. Point made.

BTW, was DLS lucky last year when Folsom outgained the Spartans, but Bennett (Folsom’s QB) turned the ball over multiples times, a few at the most inopportune times? No, of course not. You see last year, it was all about DLS defense ‘making plays’ and creating the ‘takeaways’. But this year, when Folsom’s special teams ‘made plays’, it suddenly becomes ‘lucky’?

Whatever...
 
Agree TR.

Its like certain DLS supporters (or more likely....Folsom haters) just can’t ever give any credit to The Bulldogs...ever. Look, DLS won that last weekend game..no doubt. But instead of some acknowledgement that perhaps the Bulldogs started to put some things together against DLS....or just not saying anything...we start to get posts out of left field about how DLS played “2nd and 3rd stringers” or how “Folsom was lucky to recover the onside kicks (which only resulted in 6 points, BTW)”, or how Badger ‘pushed off’ on that TD catch, Or that Folsom’s Coaching is bad, or all the whining about the ticketing process, etc etc etc. sheesh...we get it folks. You don’t like Folsom. Point made.

BTW, was DLS lucky last year when Folsom outgained the Spartans, but Bennett (Folsom’s QB) turned the ball over multiples times, a few at the most inopportune times? No, of course not. You see last year, it was all about DLS defense ‘making plays’ and creating the ‘takeaways’. But this year, when Folsom’s special teams ‘made plays’, it suddenly becomes ‘lucky’?

Whatever...

You outlined it better than me, my friend.

My only issue is consistency. If someone wants to say those plays were fortunate or lucky, fine. But be consistent with it both ways.

Lots of plays, even skillful ones, involve a bit of good fortune. When hard collisions occur, sometimes a helmet or other body part causes the ball carrier to fumble. Sometimes it doesn’t. And once the ball is on the field, the bounce can go either way. So a skillful strip of the ball can still be fortunate in terms of gaining possession. A WR tipping a pass to a defender is also fortunate.

In last year’s game, the fumble by Daniyel Ngata into the end zone was a perfect example. At full speed, the refs couldn’t tell that his knee was down so they ruled it a turnover. But upon review, it shouldn’t have been. But that didn’t stop DLS fans from chiding Folsom fans about the shutout or admitting that it possibly changed the game.

In that instance, the play is overlooked and full credit for the shutout and win is given. But Folsom’s good play and comeback on FRI is only considered lucky or only due to some other subjective and arbitrary circumstances.

How about both teams were really, really good and were able to take advantage of whatever good fortunate was bestowed upon them? In both instances, DLS won the game and was the better team that particular night. IMO more so this season than last.
 
Agree TR.

Its like certain DLS supporters (or more likely....Folsom haters) just can’t ever give any credit to The Bulldogs...ever. Look, DLS won that last weekend game..no doubt. But instead of some acknowledgement that perhaps the Bulldogs started to put some things together against DLS....or just not saying anything...we start to get posts out of left field about how DLS played “2nd and 3rd stringers” or how “Folsom was lucky to recover the onside kicks (which only resulted in 6 points, BTW)”, or how Badger ‘pushed off’ on that TD catch, Or that Folsom’s Coaching is bad, or all the whining about the ticketing process, etc etc etc. sheesh...we get it folks. You don’t like Folsom. Point made.

BTW, was DLS lucky last year when Folsom outgained the Spartans, but Bennett (Folsom’s QB) turned the ball over multiples times, a few at the most inopportune times? No, of course not. You see last year, it was all about DLS defense ‘making plays’ and creating the ‘takeaways’. But this year, when Folsom’s special teams ‘made plays’, it suddenly becomes ‘lucky’?

Whatever...

Luck is where preparation and opportunity meet?
 
I agree. Folsom isn't near as deep or complete as last season. They certainly aren't as good defensively, but might be a bit more diverse offensively. A lot also depends upon the health of Daniyel Ngata. He seems to be dealing with a knee/hip issue. If that continues or gets worse, it'll greatly limit what they can do.

I also think those piling on Folsom's loss to DLS need to recognize that most teams wouldn't have been able to make the comeback Folsom did once down by 28. Most teams aren't going to be able to muster 27 points and Folsom came very close to scoring over 30 if Ngata had been able to hold on to that 4th down pass (I've reviewed the play on video a few times and he had the defense beat if he catches it and turns it up).

30+ has only happened 6 times since 1979 (against teams North of Fresno) and Folsom was one completion from it. Even then, 27+ has only happened 6 times this millennium. So let's give Folsom a little bit of credit and respect.

Having conveyed that, I also believe there's a fair chance that Serra is the #2 team in NorCal. They look mighty, mighty good. If things unfold as expected, we are likely to see Folsom and Serra play it out on the field. But I don't believe Folsom's performance against DLS should drop them in any way. Not the way their offense looked in the 2nd half against the Spartans starting unit which remained on the field the entire game.

If Folsom loses to MA or struggles to win, then it changes things.
Agree Folsom should remain #2, the loss to DLS shouldn’t be held against them.It will, however, be very interesting on the surface to compare the Folsom vs Menlo Atherton score with the Serra vs MA score
 
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Agree TR.

Its like certain DLS supporters (or more likely....Folsom haters) just can’t ever give any credit to The Bulldogs...ever. Look, DLS won that last weekend game..no doubt. But instead of some acknowledgement that perhaps the Bulldogs started to put some things together against DLS....or just not saying anything...we start to get posts out of left field about how DLS played “2nd and 3rd stringers” or how “Folsom was lucky to recover the onside kicks (which only resulted in 6 points, BTW)”, or how Badger ‘pushed off’ on that TD catch, Or that Folsom’s Coaching is bad, or all the whining about the ticketing process, etc etc etc. sheesh...we get it folks. You don’t like Folsom. Point made.

BTW, was DLS lucky last year when Folsom outgained the Spartans, but Bennett (Folsom’s QB) turned the ball over multiples times, a few at the most inopportune times? No, of course not. You see last year, it was all about DLS defense ‘making plays’ and creating the ‘takeaways’. But this year, when Folsom’s special teams ‘made plays’, it suddenly becomes ‘lucky’?

Whatever...
Agree to some extent, but let’s be honest. The crazy posts by a pro Folsom poster created the atmosphere of not wanting to give the Bulldogs”any credit “. Not the school or teams fault, of course. Everyone knows Folsom is a great program. No doubt about it. But let me ask you, why would you want or care about plays you made after the outcome wasn’t really in doubt. Credit Folsom for not giving up, but it was still a 17 point loss. This whole DLS -Folsom saga seems so much more crucial to Folsom than DLS. All Folsom has to do, and it’s been mentioned as nauseum, is upgrade their non conference schedule. That simple. MD, Bosco, Orange Lutheran......not complicated at all. DLS is not the be all end all. Big world of HS football out there. Folsom needs to test it and themselves. Then , win or lose, the respect they feel they’re not getting will be automatic.
 
Agree TR.

Its like certain DLS supporters (or more likely....Folsom haters) just can’t ever give any credit to The Bulldogs...ever. Look, DLS won that last weekend game..no doubt. But instead of some acknowledgement that perhaps the Bulldogs started to put some things together against DLS....or just not saying anything...we start to get posts out of left field about how DLS played “2nd and 3rd stringers” or how “Folsom was lucky to recover the onside kicks (which only resulted in 6 points, BTW)”, or how Badger ‘pushed off’ on that TD catch, Or that Folsom’s Coaching is bad, or all the whining about the ticketing process, etc etc etc. sheesh...we get it folks. You don’t like Folsom. Point made.

BTW, was DLS lucky last year when Folsom outgained the Spartans, but Bennett (Folsom’s QB) turned the ball over multiples times, a few at the most inopportune times? No, of course not. You see last year, it was all about DLS defense ‘making plays’ and creating the ‘takeaways’. But this year, when Folsom’s special teams ‘made plays’, it suddenly becomes ‘lucky’?

Whatever...
I’m not a fan of DLS or Folsom. I’m a fan of good HSFB. And these are two very good football teams. I think it’s funny the little victories that Folsom fans try and come up with. Like “last year when Folsom outgained the Spartans”. I’m sorry but this happens ALL the time. DLS vs STA, DLS had more offensive yards then did STA. If you saw the game you would know STA won. Also onside kicks are lucky. There is some skill involved. However when you bounce an oblong ball on the ground a lot can and usually does happen. So if it isn’t lucky then why don’t you do it every time? As far as DLS putting in their second string I don’t know. Maybe some of their starters put on different jerseys. But there we’re some different numbers on the field in the 4th quarter then in the 1st. Not all but a few. In the end Folsom fans are looking for any little victory they can out of this game. And there’s nothing wrong with that. But Folsom lost and there is nothing they could have done to win. They are just not as good of a team.
 
I think Folsom deserves to be #2 still at this stage. Serra seems to be lacking in defense although I would l like to see this game. Still think Liberty is too high....would have VC higher. Liberty is soft in the middle on defense and VC is huge on line and would capitalize of Liberties weakness like Oakdale did with their Wing T. VC is also better on defense and more athletic. Cardinal Newman still seems too high...maybe should be 14 or 15. Oak Ridge is probably a little higher but game with Folsom should tell. Clayton Valley and St Mary's probably should be higher than Wilcox.
 
Agree on VC. They remain somewhat under the radar for some reason. Just not sexy. Still can't quite fathom it. Maybe it's their style of play, a bit of a throwback to a more physical, basic, gritty, pounding style. Boring? Not when you win. And the Warriors win. A lot.
 
Agree Folsom should remain #2, the loss to DLS shouldn’t be held against them.It will, however, be very interesting on the surface to compare the Folsom vs Menlo Atherton score with the Serra vs MA score

As I said in another thread, this ranking stuff doesn’t really matter. Folsom and Serra are gonna decide it out on the field if they win enough games.
 
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Agree to some extent, but let’s be honest. The crazy posts by a pro Folsom poster created the atmosphere of not wanting to give the Bulldogs”any credit “. Not the school or teams fault, of course. Everyone knows Folsom is a great program. No doubt about it.

I stopped paying attention to all of that drivel along time ago. I don’t understand why anybody else pays it any mind or responds. The ignore feature works fantastically.

IMO, anybody that continues to fight that losing battle and let it get to them and affect their perception of Folsom’s program is just as much to blame as the person you’re talking about.

But let me ask you, why would you want or care about plays you made after the outcome wasn’t really in doubt. Credit Folsom for not giving up, but it was still a 17 point loss.

It was a 15 point loss.

You say the outcome wasn’t in doubt through the gift of hindsight. As we all know DLS won. But if you watched the entire game you know that momentum was on Folsom’s side and they were one single play from making it an 7 or 8 point game with an adequate amount of time on the clock. Which then would have created doubt.

Considering that they had already recovered 2 onside kicks in a row and had a timeout, all those ‘meaningless’ plays leading up to that point nearly became very meaningful.

As @Streak One already pointed out, I’m sure the DLS coaches cared about each and every one of those plays in film study and practice this week.
 
Agree on VC. They remain somewhat under the radar for some reason. Just not sexy. Still can't quite fathom it. Maybe it's their style of play, a bit of a throwback to a more physical, basic, gritty, pounding style. Boring? Not when you win. And the Warriors win. A lot.

Several years back a very good Newman team ended up getting elevated to D1AA NorCal champ against VC. Quite frankly they got hosed because they didn’t belong in that game. That was one of the worse loss by a Cronin coached team. VC just totally overmatched them. Believe it was 30-7 or something like that. Like you said not pretty but super effective. Believe the QB at time went to play at KU.
 
Serra will not play DLS this year. See the Folsom Rule. Serra or VC will likely play the top SJS team (likely Folsom) for the #2 slot in NorCal. DLS will get an auto bid directly to the Open final barring some huge upset along the way.

You are right I completely forgot about the new rule this year!! Not a big fan of that new rule..
 
I have oakridge over Folsom in a close one tonight.

While a blowout in Folsom’s favor is certainly possible, I also get the feeling that this will be a competitive game and that OR could win it — if Folsom suffers from a DLS hangover and if Daniyel Ngata isn’t healthy.
 
I will let you fellas know. I’m just hoping it’s a great HS game. As a selfish fan I hate seeing blowouts.

Beautiful night for football though.
 
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