NorCal Open prediction

[northbaybbguru]

I got..

1. Clet... gave Mitty their only loss
2. Mitty
3. Clovis West... with 2 Open teams coming out of the San Diego section CW comes North.
4. SJS winner
5. PW
6. SJS loser
7. SRV
8. Salesian..h2h over SMS gets them the 8


**** the wildcard
Vanden..vanden...vanden...what to do with Vanden. They have a h2h over SRV.Assuming they win the SJS D3 could they be a surprise 3rd team out of the SJS? If so they get the 7 and SRV gets the 8.

Salesian would drop to the 1 in D1 and be thanking the seeding gods.

 

[LBJ6]

I got..

1. Clet... gave Mitty their only loss
2. Mitty
3. Clovis West... with 2 Open teams coming out of the San Diego section CW comes North.
4. SJS winner
5. PW
6. SJS loser
7. SRV
8. Salesian..h2h over SMS gets them the 8


**** the wildcard
Vanden..vanden...vanden...what to do with Vanden. They have a h2h over SRV.Assuming they win the SJS D3 could they be a surprise 3rd team out of the SJS? If so they get the 7 and SRV gets the 8.

Salesian would drop to the 1 in D1 and be thanking the seeding gods.

Of course Salesian would drop to the one. Shocker.

 

[LBJ6]

I got..

1. Clet... gave Mitty their only loss
2. Mitty
3. Clovis West... with 2 Open teams coming out of the San Diego section CW comes North.
4. SJS winner
5. PW
6. SJS loser
7. SRV
8. Salesian..h2h over SMS gets them the 8


**** the wildcard
Vanden..vanden...vanden...what to do with Vanden. They have a h2h over SRV.Assuming they win the SJS D3 could they be a surprise 3rd team out of the SJS? If so they get the 7 and SRV gets the 8.

Salesian would drop to the 1 in D1 and be thanking the seeding gods.

The
reward for winning in these “open” brackets is by rewarding the losers and punishing the winners. Got it. if you think Salesian is going open your crazy. They’ll take Monte Vista before they throw Salesian in the open as a high seed. That’s how this works

 

[Jcristiano]

I got..

1. Clet... gave Mitty their only loss
2. Mitty
3. Clovis West... with 2 Open teams coming out of the San Diego section CW comes North.
4. SJS winner
5. PW
6. SJS loser
7. SRV
8. Salesian..h2h over SMS gets them the 8


**** the wildcard
Vanden..vanden...vanden...what to do with Vanden. They have a h2h over SRV.Assuming they win the SJS D3 could they be a surprise 3rd team out of the SJS? If so they get the 7 and SRV gets the 8.

Salesian would drop to the 1 in D1 and be thanking the seeding gods.

Guru I remember talking to you years ago at a CN tourney. Good to see your still around supporting girls basketball ✊
Let me better understand the process. So the CIF will go 5 teams in 2020 so they can protect their privates and give Salesian and O dowd a 1 and 2 seed instead of having to play Mitty? Btw Salesian upset Mitty in NorCal’s the prior year. But this year they won’t do 5 because they can use the public schools to fill out the back half of their bracket? I did some research. The only public schools to ever qualify for a NorCal open game are Sabrina and Kelly’s Miramonte team, and A Folsom team. Sac high back in 2014 as well. I won’t include CW as that is an entirely different issue ( just a pawn year to year based on the CIF needing to fill their bracket)

So teams like O dowd, Salesian etc who compete and are in the mix for state open titles every other year get bumped to D1 but the once and a generation team who is basically a public school miracle gets to have the “honor” of playing Mitty in the NorCal open? Does the fact we beat Salesian as the lower seed automatically mean we jump them in NorCal seeding? Or does head to head only matter when you can use it to sacrifice a public into the open. So the reward of us winning an NCS open game is to get bumped up to a Open division game while the loser gets to make a state title run? If the committee uses that Logic Vanden should be a lock to be seeded above us in the open who is also an incredibly talented and special public school having an unbelievable season.
The message is loud and clear and noted.

 

[northbaybbguru]

I dont know what to say coach...but you made the finals in the NCS Open AND you have a win vs CLET... youre going to the state open. It is what it is. Better get the minds of the girls ready and into it. CNs 1st year in the OPEN we were called "the sacrificial lambs" by a certain high profile sports writer that i won't mention his name. We were the 7 seed and proceeded to go into #2 Clet and win and #3 PW and win before ultimately having our season ended by the (then) #1 team in the country Mitty. The excitement of it and experience of it was on par with our state championship run the previous year. You need to embrace it (and not run from it) and be proud of it otherwise you'll get smashed. This is the most wide open its ever been. There is no SMS or Mitty with 7 D1 players. SRV can win games. Embrace it!

AND..good luck !!!

 

[Jcristiano]

I dont know what to say coach...but you made the finals in the NCS Open AND you have a win vs CLET... youre going to the state open. It is what it is. Better get the minds of the girls ready and into it. CNs 1st year in the OPEN we were called "the sacrificial lambs" by a certain high profile sports writer that i won't mention his name. We were the 7 seed and proceeded to go into #2 Clet and win and #3 PW and win before ultimately having our season ended by the (then) #1 team in the country Mitty. The excitement of it and experience of it was on par with our state championship run the previous year. You need to embrace it (and not run from it) and be proud of it otherwise you'll get smashed. This is the most wide open its ever been. There is no SMS or Mitty with 7 D1 players. SRV can win games. Embrace it!

AND..good luck !!!

We’ll be ready.

 

[Jcristiano]

No shit I’m proud of my kids. They are legendary.

#2 of course we will embrace it. There’s no other option.

I was just pointing out the 5 team open last time they had CIF playoffs and found it interesting who the fringe D1/open teams that got bumped . I really don’t give a damn about anything other than my kids having the time of their life during this and the rest of it is just noise.

 

[northbaybbguru]

No shit I’m proud of my kids. They are legendary.

#2 of course we will embrace it. There’s no other option.

I was just pointing out the 5 team open last time they had CIF playoffs and found it interesting who the fringe D1/open teams that got bumped . I really don’t give a damn about anything other than my kids having the time of their life during this and the rest of it is just noise.

Dont overlook the fact that the 5th team in that ridiculous 5 team bracket (seriously who does a 5team bracket?) was the NCS runner up. The NCS gets mad respect in the OPEN every year and the NCS OPEN was played out to get a true 1-6 seeding this year. As the NCS runner up SRV will be on the road in round 1.

 

[Norcal_Fan]

No shit I’m proud of my kids. They are legendary.

#2 of course we will embrace it. There’s no other option.

I was just pointing out the 5 team open last time they had CIF playoffs and found it interesting who the fringe D1/open teams that got bumped . I really don’t give a damn about anything other than my kids having the time of their life during this and the rest of it is just noise.

well let's be real...you do give a damn about it..you're just using good old fashion praeteritio. I'd be pissed as hell if I was on the bubble and they made me go play the numer 1 seed where you could get to the state championship in D1. Seems stupid to me but then again, a lot of what the section and state do are mind-boggling sometimes.

 

[Jcristiano]

well let's be real...you do give a damn about it..you're just using good old fashion praeteritio. I'd be pissed as hell if I was on the bubble and they made me go play the numer 1 seed where you could get to the state championship in D1. Seems stupid to me but then again, a lot of what the section and state do are mind-boggling sometimes.

I’m either to young or too stupid to know what praeterituo means but I do really only care about my kids being happy. We’ll play the hand we’re dealt but that 5 team open 2 years ago was rather interesting. Especially considering who the two NCS teams that were gifted that break. That also moved us all the way down to a 9 seed instead of a 6 and would have taken Salesian out of our bracket who 30 pieced us. Guru, if Cardinal newman beat o dowd and upset CLET then lost to us are they a NorCal open team? Monte Vista boys in 2015 opted out of the NORCAL open and went on to win a D1 title and hang a banner in their gym. They were a top 3 team in the entire state that year and should have been open. Did they “run from it”? Or does no one remember because that banner hangs forever. You think my girls look at their 2020 championship banner and say “ we’ll it doesn’t mean as much because heritage and CLET went open. No. The kids don’t think like that. That is just coach talk nonsense that I don’t care about. Just my opinion and I respect everyone’s opinion on here and anyone that supports girls basketball is good in my book

 

[northbaybbguru]

I’m either to young or too stupid to know what praeterituo means but I do really only care about my kids being happy. We’ll play the hand we’re dealt but that 5 team open 2 years ago was rather interesting. Especially considering who the two NCS teams that were gifted that break. That also moved us all the way down to a 9 seed instead of a 6 and would have taken Salesian out of our bracket who 30 pieced us. Guru, if Cardinal newman beat o dowd and upset CLET then lost to us are they a NorCal open team? Monte Vista boys in 2015 opted out of the NORCAL open and went on to win a D1 title and hang a banner in their gym. They were a top 3 team in the entire state that year and should have been open. Did they “run from it”? Or does no one remember because that banner hangs forever. You think my girls look at their 2020 championship banner and say “ we’ll it doesn’t mean as much because heritage and CLET went open. No. The kids don’t think like that. That is just coach talk nonsense that I don’t care about. Just my opinion and I respect everyone’s opinion on here and anyone that supports girls basketball is good in my book

If CN had beat BOD and upset CLET they would have ABSOLUTELY deserved to go to the OPEN cause they would have earned their way into the STATE OPEN. Its one of the reasons the section OPEN was put into place...so teams would earn their way in and not leave it up to a committee. SRV has earned their way in...

 

[Jcristiano]

If CN had beat BOD and upset CLET they would have ABSOLUTELY deserved to go to the OPEN cause they would have earned their way into the STATE OPEN. Its one of the reasons the section OPEN was put into place...so teams would earn their way in and not leave it up to a committee. SRV has earned their way in...

So if you place that much value on the head to head you should change us to 8 and Vanden to 7 as they kicked our ass in our gym. So the SJS should be a lock for 3 bids to the open. But I understand your view and it’s fair

 

[Jcristiano]

So if you place that much value on the head to head you should change us to 8 and Vanden to 7 as they kicked our ass in our gym. So the SJS should be a lock for 3 bids to the open. But I understand your view and it’s fair

Actually just read ur post again and you put that in there. No wonder ur a legend

 

[northbaybbguru]

So if you place that much value on the head to head you should change us to 8 and Vanden to 7 as they kicked our ass in our gym. So the SJS should be a lock for 3 bids to the open. But I understand your view and it’s fair

I do think there is a possibility that Vanden could get the 7 seed as I suggested in my original post. The issue against Vanden is that V has h2h losses to SI and Valley Christian. So I think there's a better chance they end up in D1.
Honestly I think SRV could end up the 6 seed also. But I dont see them being put ahead of PW as the 5 seed. My guess is its either the 6 or 7 seed.

But ill say one thing in all the years I've been following the seeding..going back 20 yrs when they used to let u sit in the seeding meetings (and I did) there is no rhyme or reason on what they do. One year h2h and common opponents come into play, some yrs its maxpreps, some years full field, other years 1st rd byes for the top seeds... who frign knows what they will do.
We'll see tomorrow.

 

[Jcristiano]

I do think there is a possibility that Vanden could get the 7 seed as I suggested in my original post. The issue against is that Vanden has h2h losses to SI and Valley Christian. So I think there's a better chance they end up in D1.
Honestly I think SRV could end up the 6 seed also. But I dont see them being put ahead of PW as the 5 seed. My guess is its either the 6 or 7 seed.

But ill say one thing in all the years I've been following the seeding..going back 20 yrs when they used to let u sit in the seeding meetings (and I did) there is no rhyme or reason on what they do. One year h2h and common opponents come into play, some yrs its maxpreps, some years full field, other years 1st rd byes for the top seeds... who fign knows what they will do.
We'll see tomorrow.

Guru… the only thing I know for certain is the Cardinal Newman tournament hospitality/food room takes a massive dump on any other tournament I’ve ever been to. With the games live on stream in there too it’s as good as it gets. You can take that to the bank. We had to find some common ground here

 

[northbaybbguru]

Guru… the only thing I know for certain is the Cardinal Newman tournament hospitality/food room takes a massive dump on any other tournament I’ve ever been to. With the games live on stream in there too it’s as good as it gets. You can take that to the bank. We had to find some common ground here

lol... the private schools definitely have their perks

Friday nights after the last game there has been some legendary conversations and stories told in that hospitality room. I dont want to publicly disclose what was said but I will say this....classics! 😂👍

 

[OtherBrotha]

If Vanden continues to throttle Lincoln in this SJS they should definitely be in the Open Division

 

[northbaybbguru]

I got..

1. Clet... gave Mitty their only loss
2. Mitty
3. Clovis West... with 2 Open teams coming out of the San Diego section CW comes North.
4. SJS winner
5. PW
6. SJS loser
7. SRV
8. Salesian..h2h over SMS gets them the 8


**** the wildcard
Vanden..vanden...vanden...what to do with Vanden. They have a h2h over SRV.Assuming they win the SJS D3 could they be a surprise 3rd team out of the SJS? If so they get the 7 and SRV gets the 8.

Salesian would drop to the 1 in D1 and be thanking the seeding gods.

nailed it!

 

[keepitreal.32]

Well, Pinewood got the 4th over OR & no 8th team. But you get “A-“.

 

[northbaybbguru]

Well, Pinewood got the 4th over OR & no 8th team. But you get “A-“.

oops...I missed PW at the 4...so I wasn't perfect...lol....my bad!

and Salesian was the 8 seed... just got put as the 1 seed in d1


I'll give myself a "B"

raising my GPA!!!

 

[NorCalTown]

The system is broken when you "earned the right" to play round 1 at Mitty or Acalanes "earned the right" to play at Salesian.

 

[letsski]

Why are the brackets showing some of the higher seeds as the Away team? - Mitty is hosting but is listed as "Away"

 

[TheHillZ]

Half Moon Bay ends up the 11 seed in Division IV after "competing" in the CCS Open.

Is that the lowest seed ever for an open team?

 

[colhenrylives]

It's a charade, pure and simple. CCS and CIF NorCal seeding people could use a helpful jolt of electro-shock therapy. Time to get real. Wake up. Smell the espresso. Pay attention. These NorCal equity brackets make no sense. So many bonehead placements you have to wonder what these fine folks were smoking today.

 

[blex20]

Half Moon Bay ends up the 11 seed in Division IV after "competing" in the CCS Open.

Is that the lowest seed ever for an open team?

SHC done no favors dropping just to D1 and heading to BOD tomorrow. Guess it's one and done. Even two years ago, with better coaching and a more veteran team, they dropped to Division 2 for State. I guess 2-8 in league this year is a better accomplishment than 4-4 in 2019/20?

 

[TheHillZ]

2-8 in league wasn't much of an accomplishment. Both wins were against Presentation, who I think was winless on the year. And they lost to Paly (*gasp* a public school) in open pool play.

 

[Jcristiano]

2-8 in league wasn't much of an accomplishment. Both wins were against Presentation, who I think was winless on the year. And they lost to Paly (*gasp* a public school) in open pool play.

Which circles back to my point earlier. It is not actually "Competitive Equity" as each section needs a certain amount in each bracket. SHCP and Palo alto were the next 2 best teams in the CCS after Saint Francis and Valley Christian. The CCS needed at least 4 in each bracket. So they filled it with SHCP and Palo Alto in D1 even though McClatchy, Antelope, Lincoln Stockton, Vista del Lago are better teams with better resumes. The SJS was much deeper than the CCS this year by a lot which moves down all of their good teams because the SJS commissioner would not put all his State contender teams into D1. Its not competitive equity ranking teams 1-16 like they want you to believe.

 

[OnBall8]

Which circles back to my point earlier. It is not actually "Competitive Equity" as each section needs a certain amount in each bracket. SHCP and Palo alto were the next 2 best teams in the CCS after Saint Francis and Valley Christian. The CCS needed at least 4 in each bracket. So they filled it with SHCP and Palo Alto in D1 even though McClatchy, Antelope, Lincoln Stockton, Vista del Lago are better teams with better resumes. The SJS was much deeper than the CCS this year by a lot which moves down all of their good teams because the SJS commissioner would not put all his State contender teams into D1. Its not competitive equity ranking teams 1-16 like they want you to believe.

And if HMB was supposed to be the "8th best" team in CCS why are they in D4??

 

[Jcristiano]

And if HMB was supposed to be the "8th best" team in CCS why are they in D4??

Haha I saw that one too. Competitive equity baby. I am happy for the HMB girls though. They at least have a chance. Unfortunately the commish could not call in a favor for SHCP and Paly because they had to fill the d1 bracket with two more CCS teams to hit the 4 minimum. Call it something else besides competitive equity next year. Call it "Section filling equally equity" tournament.

 

[coachcarter40]

I feel like they got the open right. Salesian was the 8th best team but their losses came from the open teams. I feel like the committee sees this different than coaches and fans do. It appears that they think schools desire to get a state title in the highest division possible instead of having a legitimate shot to win a state title in the division that the section has established for them. With that lens, it is probably much easier for them to seed the open division because it is the most prestigious. Having no open section in SJS kinda hurts because if you win your section you most likely go up and the difference between winning that championship game only seems to vault you to the point of making it a catch 22 if you want to win state.

 

[blex20]

Which circles back to my point earlier. It is not actually "Competitive Equity" as each section needs a certain amount in each bracket. SHCP and Palo alto were the next 2 best teams in the CCS after Saint Francis and Valley Christian. The CCS needed at least 4 in each bracket. So they filled it with SHCP and Palo Alto in D1 even though McClatchy, Antelope, Lincoln Stockton, Vista del Lago are better teams with better resumes. The SJS was much deeper than the CCS this year by a lot which moves down all of their good teams because the SJS commissioner would not put all his State contender teams into D1. Its not competitive equity ranking teams 1-16 like they want you to believe.

Exactly. SHC is such a young team at its core, with a bright future if they find the coach. This team boasts only two players with any varsity experience (both as freshman two years ago) and starts those two juniors with 3 sophomores. The majority of the bench minutes are between 4 freshman and one senior. There's no question in my mind they would have been more competitive in the WCAL had LyRyan. Every rematch (SI x2, SF, Mitty and VC) score was more lopsided than the first game, which tells me someone doesn't game plan very well, watch film or make adjustments. But your point above about needing to get the minimum 4 teams from CCS into D1 makes more sense now. One a done is all they'll get this year.

 

[colhenrylives]

...or you can dub it "Non-Seeding, Pre-Planned, Subjective, Baloney Masquerading as Rational Behavior."

 

[blex20]

2-8 in league wasn't much of an accomplishment. Both wins were against Presentation, who I think was winless on the year. And they lost to Paly (*gasp* a public school) in open pool play.

I think you missed my point, which was that 2-8 wasn't much of an accomplishment and in no way should have been used to place them in D1. SHC has let many games get away from them, which can be attributed to poor coaching and inexperience. But Jchristiano clarified why those two teams were placed in D1, when they could have been much more competitive in D2. I guess they'll take their L and move on to the AAU season.

 

[keepitreal.32]

And if HMB was supposed to be the "8th best" team in CCS why are they in D4??

What division was HMB supposed be in for CCS playoffs if not in CCS OPEN?

 

[OnBall8]

What division was HMB supposed be in for CCS playoffs if not in CCS OPEN?

D4

 

[Norcal_Fan]

D4

If you're an open team to begin with, you should not be able to go lower than D2, at least!

 

[TheHillZ]

I think you missed my point, which was that 2-8 wasn't much of an accomplishment and in no way should have been used to place them in D1. SHC has let many games get away from them, which can be attributed to poor coaching and inexperience. But Jchristiano clarified why those two teams were placed in D1, when they could have been much more competitive in D2. I guess they'll take their L and move on to the AAU season.

Was agreeing with you. Their 2-8 was even worse than it looked. SHC did not belong in CCS Open (as evidenced by the fact that it went 0-3), and it will have a quick stay in D1 Norcal. I will say that next year should be a down year for the WCAL, other than Mitty of course. Lots of graduations at SI, SF and Valley. So things are likely to improve for a young SHC squad.

 

[keepitreal.32]

If you're an open team to begin with, you should not be able to go lower than D2, at least!

Well that depends. Were HMB and Palo Alto really Open caliber or forced in to make 8. Now if all sections had an Open and all sent those teams to NorCal Open or D1 sure

 

[Norcal_Fan]

Well that depends. Were HMB and Palo Alto really Open caliber or forced in to make 8. Now if all sections had an Open and all sent those teams to NorCal Open or D1 sure

I don't think they were TBH. But who wouldn't jump at a chance to get into norcals for running that gauntlet, especially if they're rewarded in the end?

 

[Coach_Case]

Haha I saw that one too. Competitive equity baby. I am happy for the HMB girls though. They at least have a chance. Unfortunately the commish could not call in a favor for SHCP and Paly because they had to fill the d1 bracket with two more CCS teams to hit the 4 minimum. Call it something else besides competitive equity next year. Call it "Section filling equally equity" tournament.

Joe, Hit me up. I sent you a DM on instragram.