I'd bet that Folsom finds a way to win and so does St. Mary's. Home field advantage in the rain. No let down happening here.
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I'd bet that Folsom finds a way to win and so does St. Mary's. Home field advantage in the rain. No let down happening here.
All four teams are solid. At the end of the day, it will be an SFL reunion between OR and Folsom at Sac State.
Glad to hear both OR and Folsom will be there to watch St. Mary's play Elk Grove play for the SJS D1 section championship. That is great sportsmanship! LOL!
Seriously, can't wait for this Friday for some very good football from all 4 teams! Any given Friday is correct. Good luck to all 4 teams!
I think it will be Folsom and St. Mary's in the Final. I think EG can beat Folsom, but, as Streak pointed out, the Bulldogs have kind of had the Herd's number. Despite having a great shot last season, Folsom made the deciding plays when they had to.
I'm really high on this St Mary's team. They have a handful of kids that will play in college. either at the D1, D2, or JC level. I always say that the teams that eventually go on have at least a few kids that play at the next level. OR might have 1 or 2. They are just a gritty group of kids that play well together. Really what HS football is all about.
I will be there ? Anybody going? I don't care if its a downpour... This is HS playoffs.
I will be there ? Anybody going? I don't care if its a downpour... This is HS playoffs.
Idk after watching grant vs antelope I think coaches with less talent can over come it now I know saint Mary's offense is light years ahead of grants scheme wise I do think if they can contains folsoms spread I see them being able to slow down saint Mary's spread
I will be there at the St. Mary's vs Oak Ridge game and will be working with the chain gang, probably working the box. See you there!
Forecast in Stockton calls for steady rain in the afternoon switching to light rain in the evening, with an 80% precipitation.
Like Antelope doesn't have equal talent on their team. Give me a break. Elijah Dotson was the best player on that football field. And he's far from the only good player the Titans have. This wasn't the Pacers 2008 - 2010 teams pal.
BTW, where you been hiding out, future? Been a member since 2004 and just now beginning to post regularly. Funny how that happens on this site quite often ....
If you think 2008-10 grant teams were the only talented grant team then you must've not watched high school football for 20 years...Dotson got the ball almost every time grants best player plays wr for a running he only touched the ball 4 times and when grant passed the ball he was double teamed every time he would start on any team in nor cal...if you didn't go to the antelope game then wouldn't know what talent they have outside of Dotson they probably would score a Td...grant loses to lessor talent A LOT...and I'm only able to comment now cause I forgot my account email..but I always was around I'm excited I can comment back now given how much people on here forget about what programs been around and been among the top teams year n and year out I don't what team you cheer for but I'm sure they've only been relevant for a couple years
My .02
Antelope was the better prepared team, by far. Dotson was for real but really the only guy who did damage.....
Grant was in position to win and blew it.....They were a mess from beginning to end....I have seen them many, many times and know what they can and cant do.....this time around was a train wreck.....5 minutes to go in the game with a 7 point lead and they burn .38 seconds off the clock.....The Titans scored with 9 seconds left......The Pacers fighting the clock, gain several first downs and then spike the ball to stop the clock???
I am not one to rant about game time coaching but this loss is on the staff, not the players.....
Antelope was the better prepared team, by far. Dotson was for real but really the only guy who did damage.....
Grant was in position to win and blew it.....They were a mess from beginning to end....I have seen them many, many times and know what they can and cant do.....this time around was a train wreck.....5 minutes to go in the game with a 7 point lead and they burn .38 seconds off the clock.....The Titans scored with 9 seconds left......The Pacers fighting the clock, gain several first downs and then spike the ball to stop the clock???
I am not one to rant about game time coaching but this loss is on the staff, not the players.....
Isn't this a D1 Bracket discussion.... Grant was in D2....which they should never be in D2 along with Del Oro and any SFL or Delta team, but that topic is for another day!
Thank you anybody that watches the game could see in warm ups that grant looked bigger and faster Dotson was a man out there but he was all they had( very well could've been at grant) antelope had the better coach they took away grant size on both sides of the ball and grant showed why they need a new offense...antelope may have ran the same play the whole game grant had no answer for it didn't even look like they prepared for it they might've borrowed from granite bay film
Nobody said such a thing.The point was that this Pacers team wasn't a team with elite talent above and beyond everyone else (like those teams were). They certainly have some good players, but not aren't overly talented. Certainly not over the top more than an undefeated Antelope team. They had 1 really good lineman (who was ejected from the game no less) but several of the others are just big -- not really skilled or in great shape. Lawrence Hardy was their best player and they didn't have their traditional power back.
Glad to hear you'll be sticking around. There's just been a strange phenomenon of old accounts suddenly popping up and posting strong opinions intended to stir the pot. Somebody here likes to post under different handles to conceal their identity. Glad to hear you aren't one of them.
As for the last part, you'll discover soon enough I'm not one of those people. Been following HS football since the early 80's and am well versed on the history of all these programs.
Welcome back to the board!
You need to get off that soapbox already. We get it. You don't like many of these teams in D2. But that's not the reality of how it works or how it's been working. Does it really matter anyway? D2 has often been a tougher bracket than D1. Don't see your problem.
Gotta love how D2 teams (Grant, Antelope) get mixed into this thread! Last I checked neither team was in the SJS D1 bracket.
You're not giving proper credit to their oline, defense or Garrett Chapman -- who is also a pretty darn good player.
Teams don't go 12-0 and earn a top 3 seed with only one player. Antelope's line has been pretty good this season. And their defense is opportunistic. They've got good team speed.
Having said that, I fully agree that the Pacers staff mismanaged the end of that game. The worst offense was lollygagging on the sideline between plays as if they had called a timeout only to earn a delay of game penalty. I don't understand coaches that run their QB back and forth from the sideline to the huddle every single play. Makes no sense. I've seen a few still doing it, but I digress.. In the end, Grant wasn't overwhelmingly more skilled and talented than Antelope. I think people are caught up in the history of the programs and not current day.
C'mon Bulldog. You know these topics always end up splintering into multiple discussions. Par for the course. It's not like you can reply to something in this thread in another thread. The direction of the conversation goes where it goes.
But for you, I'll stop talking to future and wwhs44 about those D2 teams
D2 has rarely been a tougher bracket than D1. When a 4-6 Del Oro teams run through the playoffs with ease?.... maybe a decade ago, but not in recent years.
And i would not be on a soapbox if all teams were able to opt up or down. oak Ridge was 5-5 a few years ago and could have been a 4 seed in the D2 bracket.... but instead they do not make playoffs? yet a 4-6 del oro team gets to go D2 and a struggling Granite Bay team goes to D2...SO basically if GB has a good year and goes 8-2 or 9-1 they are a D1 bracket team, but if they go 5-5 or 6-4 we just place them in D2 because of enrollment....
The years grant doesn't have elite talent the coaches doesn't know how to make up for it antelope didn't do nothing special but chop block the linemen grant didn't adjust the whole game they still ran right into a pile of body's...they only passed mostly out of shot gun and that was only when they absolutely had to throw the ball with two running backs in to block and two wr set not that hard to defend when they only run a hitch or fade...if you don't watch grant play then you don't understand why their fans are tired of their lack of offensive creativity..but again if you went to the game then you'd see how different the two teams are built only the running back from antelope would start at grant...put that coaching staff at grant and they'd be back to sacramentos best team...opposing coaches been saying that for over a decade
That Del oro team probably played the toughest schedule a sjs team has ever played
If you seen them in person then you'd understand where I'm coming from outside of their running back who they have the ball to almost every play stands out their lines are little linebackers are little probably the reason they don't list their size online...but their coaches did a great job to over compensate for it...against grant the cut block the whole time and ran off tackle the whole game with a jet sweep motion maybe only handing off to the jet sweep twice once was for the 2 point conversion to win it grant played man the whole time with 1 safety...grant never adjusted stayed in man...to me all that says is coaching..one team is coaching the others is just expecting his players to stop something they are out of position to stop
LOL! Totally agree! I always find it interesting how the threads splinter into different topics. The forums are just like "phone tag" ... LOL!C'mon Bulldog. You know these topics always end up splintering into multiple discussions. Par for the course. It's not like you can reply to something in this thread in another thread. The direction of the conversation goes where it goes.
But for you, I'll stop talking to future and wwhs44 about those D2 teams
I also agree that in past years D2 brackets have had times where the teams were stronger than D1. This year from #13 to #1 seed, many can argue that D2 may have just as strong a depth in teams vs D1. Let's see ... Sacramento (D2 #1 seed) did beat Folsom (D1 #1 seed). Tracy (D2 #13 seed) did beat Lincoln-Stockton (D1 #12 seed). But, does that mean the D2 section champs will be stronger than the D1 section champs? Hmm. If Folsom wins D1 and Del Oro wins D2, I guess we can turn to their head-to-head matchup.
Here's more to ponder as we look at the D2 semi-finalists ...
Sacramento (D2 #1) beat Folsom (D1 #1)
Inderkum (D2 #8) beat Sacramento (D2 #1)
Elk Grove (D1 #4) beat Inderkum (D2 #8)
Elk Grove (D1 #4) is playing Folsom (D1 #1) in this Friday's D1 semi-finals.
Is Inderkum better now and would it be able to compete against Elk Grove? Same argument exists for Folsom to be better now that it was when they played Sacramento. Right?
Antelope (D2 #3) barely got past Cosumnes Oaks (D1 #11)
Cosumnes Oaks (D1 #11) lost to Oak Ridge (D1 #3) 28-41
Cosumnes Oaks (D1 #11) lost to St. Mary's (D1 #2) 20-42
Oak Ridge (D1 #3) is playing St. Mary's (D1 #2) in this Friday's D1 other semi-finals game.
Antelope may be legit, but can Antelope compete with either Oak Ridge or St. Mary's? On paper, maybe not, but since the game will not be played, we will not know for sure.
Jesuit (D2 #4) beat Davis (D1 #6)
Davis (D1 #6) beat Elk Grove (D1 #4)
However, Jesuit (D2 #4) lost to Folsom (D1 #1), Elk Grove (D1 #4), and to Sheldon (D1 #9) who just lost to Folsom (D1 #1).
Can Jesuit compete today against Folsom, Elk Grove, and Sheldon?
Del Oro (D2 #2) lost to Folsom (D1 #1) 7-42, but lost a close game to Oak Ridge (D1 #3) 32-34.
Can Del Oro compete against Folsom today?
Is this year's D2 final four better than this year's D1 final four? Will this year's D2 section champs be stronger than this year's D1 section champs? Hmm?
I wouldn't worry too much about it my brother. The kids played their hearts out. That's all that matters.
And nevermind that Cosumnes Oaks only scored 1 TD (7pts) vs St. Mary's first string defense. Trust me, the game was not that close.
I've been saying this for over a decade now and no one believed me.
Not shocked.
CT4L
IMHO, I anticipate EG beating Folsom. However, I personally prefer a Folsom victory to go along with a St. Mary's victory. I would love the opportunity for my Rams to seek vengeance for last year's loss to Folsom. But, I can understand EG would also like to have vengeance vs Folsom for their loss last year in the section championship game, plus an opportunity to seek vengeance against St. Mary's for the semi-final loss 2 years ago in D2. I'm sure Oak Ridge fans also want redemption for their very close loss to Folsom just a few weeks ago. This year's final four is a very good one. Whichever team wins it all, I am confident will have much satisfaction. Good luck to all four teams, but an extra bit more for St. Mary's, of course. GO SM RAMS!!!
My point is without Dotson, they wouldn't have been in that game. He was the difference. The rest was pretty even except the coaching........Antelopes SOS really isn't very high for a 12-0 team. Remember last season they came in to Rocklin undefeated and got BLOWN out.......As I watched the game my mind set was Grant staff gave the game away.....I will be at DO this week and the difference will be game time coaching...those mistakes made last week won't happen with CT and staff.....
Remember with 5 minutes to play and Grant with the ball and a 7 point lead, the game was lost........to me that means the teams were pretty even in athletic play?
Sorry Dawg!
Curious ... how does Oak Ridge limit Folsom to score only 17 points but give up 28 to Cosumnes Oaks? Interestingly, some believe Oak Ridge will hold St. Mary's to under 30 points? St. Mary's was up 10-7 on SJB before the wheels fell off the bus and SJB's defense limited St. Mary's to a one-dimensional (pass only) team after RB Dusty Frampton went down. Is Oak Ridge's defense as good as SJB's? Or is it that folks believe St. Mary's offense is like Folsom's?
IMHO, I envision this game between St. Mary's vs Oak Ridge to be similar to St. Mary's vs Serra and/or St. Mary's vs Cardinal Newman, where Oak Ridge has a dynamic athlete in their QB, just like Serra and Cardinal Newman. I believe Oak Ridge will stay close with St. Mary's thru the 1st half or maybe just the 1st quarter. IMHO, if St. Mary's opens up a 2 TD lead, it will be very difficult for Oak Ridge to catch up, especially if the OR offense is more of a ground game offense. Watching film, I see OR likes to pass to their RB, as he sneaks into an open spot down field. Anticipate we will see this along with a few screen passes, too. St. Mary's philosophy has always been "catch me if you can". But, I have noticed St. Mary's has a better defense this year, as well. I am just not sure Oak Ridge can keep up with scoring at the pace of St. Mary's, but very much looking forward to seeing them try. IMHO, I am anticipating at least 2 picks by the SM secondary, as I have a feeling we will be seeing Oak Ridge throwing the ball more than expected, similar as they did vs Reed. On the other side, IMHO, I anticipate Oak Ridge will find out that St. Mary's offense is not quite like Folsom's and the Rams' offense is a bit better than Cosumnes Oaks, and even better than Reed's. RB Dusty Frampton is a handful. And if Oak Ridge packs the box, QB Jake Dunniway is very accurate and has just too many weapons. As other teams have expressed, the Rams offense is much quicker than expected and very difficult to simulate in practice. However, must credit Oak Ridge being part of the SFL league and playing Folsom close, despite the loss. Hence, the anxiety exists from both sides as to how this game materializes. Again, any given Friday!
IMHO, I envision this game between St. Mary's vs Oak Ridge to be similar to St. Mary's vs Serra and/or St. Mary's vs Cardinal Newman, where Oak Ridge has a dynamic athlete in their QB, just like Serra and Cardinal Newman. I believe Oak Ridge will stay close with St. Mary's thru the 1st half or maybe just the 1st quarter. IMHO, if St. Mary's opens up a 2 TD lead, it will be very difficult for Oak Ridge to catch up, especially if the OR offense is more of a ground game offense. Watching film, I see OR likes to pass to their RB, as he sneaks into an open spot down field. Anticipate we will see this along with a few screen passes, too. St. Mary's philosophy has always been "catch me if you can". But, I have noticed St. Mary's has a better defense this year, as well. I am just not sure Oak Ridge can keep up with scoring at the pace of St. Mary's, but very much looking forward to seeing them try. IMHO, I am anticipating at least 2 picks by the SM secondary, as I have a feeling we will be seeing Oak Ridge throwing the ball more than expected, similar as they did vs Reed. On the other side, IMHO, I anticipate Oak Ridge will find out that St. Mary's offense is not quite like Folsom's and the Rams' offense is a bit better than Cosumnes Oaks, and even better than Reed's. RB Dusty Frampton is a handful. And if Oak Ridge packs the box, QB Jake Dunniway is very accurate and has just too many weapons. As other teams have expressed, the Rams offense is much quicker than expected and very difficult to simulate in practice. However, must credit Oak Ridge being part of the SFL league and playing Folsom close, despite the loss. Hence, the anxiety exists from both sides as to how this game materializes. Again, any given Friday!
More to ponder ...
Del Oro (SJS D2 #2) beats Bellarmine 16-14 in a very close game
Del Oro loses big to Folsom but close loss to Oak Ridge 32-34
Bellarmine loses big to Serra 13-48
Serra loses big to St. Mary's 35-63, loses big to DLS 13-47, and likewise Pitt 25-48, while losing a close one to VC 28-35, before steam rolling thru the rest of WCAL league play, including an OT win vs St. Francis and later a playoff win vs St. Francis 31-17 and the afore mentioned blowout victory vs Bellarmine 48-13.
Not sure if the level of play can be determined by this team A playing team B playing team C scenario. But, still something to ponder.
Also, which Folsom team will show up vs Elk Grove? The one that lost to Sacramento and had a close win vs Oak Ridge? Or the Folsom team that blew out Del Oro 42-7? Curious.
Del Oro (SJS D2 #2) beats Bellarmine 16-14 in a very close game
Del Oro loses big to Folsom but close loss to Oak Ridge 32-34
Bellarmine loses big to Serra 13-48
Serra loses big to St. Mary's 35-63, loses big to DLS 13-47, and likewise Pitt 25-48, while losing a close one to VC 28-35, before steam rolling thru the rest of WCAL league play, including an OT win vs St. Francis and later a playoff win vs St. Francis 31-17 and the afore mentioned blowout victory vs Bellarmine 48-13.
Not sure if the level of play can be determined by this team A playing team B playing team C scenario. But, still something to ponder.
Also, which Folsom team will show up vs Elk Grove? The one that lost to Sacramento and had a close win vs Oak Ridge? Or the Folsom team that blew out Del Oro 42-7? Curious.
OR vs. Folsom at Sac State next week for the title you heard from Petey Pete first! Rootin for my Heard boys though!
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Not nervous at all, but very anxious. Indeed, it will all play out. Can't wait!
Curious ... why did you change your moniker? Lose a bet?
vistaball25 aka. TheFolsomBulldog ... Come on, admit it. You lost a bet as TheFolsomBulldog and soon after re-introduced yourself on this board on Nov 15, 2016, as vistaball25.
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