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Thanks Streak.
My thoughts on first 4

D1. OR vs Folsom in rematch of last year with Folsom winning by 21+. OR is playing very well but I don't see anybody challenging Folsom in SJS.
D2. Absolutely the best division. loaded. I don't see Rocklin winning. I was really disappointed with them against OR. In fact they will have a tough time with Manteca. I like St Mary's or Grant to prevail but I'm leaning more toward St Marys.
D3 - Oakdale has played a really good schedule with a recent close loss to Manteca. I think they are in good position to come out ahead.
D4- Twelve Bridges rolls. Probably time for them to move up a div or 2.
 
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larry legend33 said:
Thanks Streak.
My thoughts on first 4

D1. OR vs Folsom in rematch of last year with Folsom winning by 21+. OR is playing very well but I don't see anybody challenging Folsom in SJS.
D2. Absolutely the best division. loaded. I don't see Rocklin winning. I was really disappointed with them against OR. In fact they will have a tough time with Manteca. I like St Mary's or Grant to prevail but I'm leaning more toward St Marys.
D3 - Oakdale has played a really good schedule with a recent close loss to Manteca. I think they are in good position to come out ahead.
D4- Twelve Bridges rolls. Probably time for them to move up a div or 2.
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Pump the brakes on the Twelve Bridges thing. They have had 2 good seasons in a row. No section championship. Being a new school it gets athletes. Like Pitman. For the first few years they dominated Turlock. Now the new wore out. Now Turlock dominate then.
After reading the projections for CCS it's confusing. In SJS You know where you play in playoffs. It works,but there are flaws. In my opinion. Central Catholic has to play D1. They are not a D1 team. D2 but not D1. But I do agree with the rest of your post. My worries are Oakdale winning this year
And most likely again next year. Wes Burford is only a jr. So is the whole back field. In Oakdale. They would be pushed to D2. Oakdale is a D3 team. Enrollment they are D4. But from continued success they have to play D3. That's where they belong! Going to check out Downey again this week. Hopefully run into Carl!
 
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Rocknrolus 95361 said:
Pump the brakes on the Twelve Bridges thing. They have had 2 good seasons in a row. No section championship. Being a new school it gets athletes. Like Pitman. For the first few years they dominated Turlock. Now the new wore out. Now Turlock dominate then.
After reading the projections for CCS it's confusing. In SJS You know where you play in playoffs. It works,but there are flaws. In my opinion. Central Catholic has to play D1. They are not a D1 team. D2 but not D1. But I do agree with the rest of your post. My worries are Oakdale winning this year
And most likely again next year. Wes Burford is only a jr. So is the whole back field. In Oakdale. They would be pushed to D2. Oakdale is a D3 team. Enrollment they are D4. But from continued success they have to play D3. That's where they belong! Going to check out Downey again this week. Hopefully run into Carl!
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I’ll be there this week, so look for me.
 
Since the SJS changed the way their teams is slated in the Divisions, SJS D1 has become the worst playoff Bracket in Nor Cal…..

All the best teams are in D2, pretty dumb…. Need to move to a Competitive equity format where all the best teams are in D1…. I am sure none of the schools care though because no one wants their season ended by Folsom…. 🤣
 
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Since the SJS changed the way their teams is slated in the Divisions, SJS D1 has become the worst playoff Bracket in Nor Cal…..

All the best teams are in D2, pretty dumb…. Need to move to a Competitive equity format where all the best teams are in D1…. I am sure none of the schools care though because no one wants their season ended by Folsom…. 🤣
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I *think* (no facts to back anything up, just an opinion/feeling) that the SJS office believes they set up a long term competitive equity format with the "continued success" aspect of their playoff format/rules. In their mind, I think, the good programs will continue to move up, regardless of enrollment size and everything will be sorted out over the years. Right or wrong, my opinion is that this is the general thinking of the SJS office.
 
larry legend33 said:
Thanks Streak.
My thoughts on first 4

D1. OR vs Folsom in rematch of last year with Folsom winning by 21+. OR is playing very well but I don't see anybody challenging Folsom in SJS.
D2. Absolutely the best division. loaded. I don't see Rocklin winning. I was really disappointed with them against OR. In fact they will have a tough time with Manteca. I like St Mary's or Grant to prevail but I'm leaning more toward St Marys.
D3 - Oakdale has played a really good schedule with a recent close loss to Manteca. I think they are in good position to come out ahead.
D4- Twelve Bridges rolls. Probably time for them to move up a div or 2.
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Agreed. Also, I wouldn't be surprised if either St. Mary's, Manteca or Grant wins D2. All three of those teams are darn good.
 
Folsom will win d1

Rocklin beat st Mary the last 2 years

51-48
17-6

But I like St Mary this year

Grant a dark horse

Twelve bridges got the other 1
 
THEOC89 said:
Since the SJS changed the way their teams is slated in the Divisions, SJS D1 has become the worst playoff Bracket in Nor Cal…..

All the best teams are in D2, pretty dumb…. Need to move to a Competitive equity format where all the best teams are in D1…. I am sure none of the schools care though because no one wants their season ended by Folsom…. 🤣
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it's cyclical. and it depends on the enrollments, which changes every year.

but some years D1 is stronger, some years it's D2, in any sjs format.
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I *think* (no facts to back anything up, just an opinion/feeling) that the SJS office believes they set up a long term competitive equity format with the "continued success" aspect of their playoff format/rules. In their mind, I think, the good programs will continue to move up, regardless of enrollment size and everything will be sorted out over the years. Right or wrong, my opinion is that this is the general thinking of the SJS office.
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This is totally true.

The sjs format is an enrollment based system, with a slow crawl towards competitive equity. Central Catholic slow crawled their way into D1. 2012 was their first D4 championship. they won 3 in a row, then won D3 in 2015, Lost in D2 2nd rd 2016, lost in semis D2 2017, lost in finals D2 2018, lost in 2nd rd D2 2019, won D2 in 2021, then got bumped up to D1, where they made the semis twice. so on it's face, Central Catholic has earned it's way into D1, and are staying competitive, as they are the 3 seed this year.
If it were true competitive equity, they would be ranked just inside the top 10 (maxpreps has them ranked #8 in the section) and would be D1 fodder or D2 contender. ... how would that work? true competitive equity would mean they are in a D1 8 or 12 team bracket, no?

anyways, that's the sjs, like it or not. I don't mind it. there is no perfect playoff system for high school. I take that back: the only perfect playoff is a true championship open division (state or section)... with consolation 'division' championships to increase the number of schools making the playoffs. KEY WORD on CONSOLATION. but someone will always be unhappy.
 
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larry legend33 said:
Thanks Streak.
My thoughts on first 4

D1. OR vs Folsom in rematch of last year with Folsom winning by 21+. OR is playing very well but I don't see anybody challenging Folsom in SJS.
D2. Absolutely the best division. loaded. I don't see Rocklin winning. I was really disappointed with them against OR. In fact they will have a tough time with Manteca. I like St Mary's or Grant to prevail but I'm leaning more toward St Marys.
D3 - Oakdale has played a really good schedule with a recent close loss to Manteca. I think they are in good position to come out ahead.
D4- Twelve Bridges rolls. Probably time for them to move up a div or 2.
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D1 ... Agree, Folsom steamrolls to another SJS D1 section championship!

D2 ... I also agree that D2 will be the most competitive division for SJS playoffs. I wouldn't sell Rocklin short. They lost to a tough OR. OR has had the strongest SoS in the entire section, including Folsom. Rocklin still has a young talented QB in Reeve Slone and IMHO has the best defense in the SJS D2 division and their offense with Slone is very, very good. Outside of Folsom and OR, no team has held Rocklin to less than 35 points. Rocklin is the #1 seed in D2 for a reason. Sure, St. Mary's, Grant, and Manteca will be tough competition.

St. Mary's probably has the most explosive offense of the bunch. But, their defense is good, not great, but better than last year. Sometimes they have gotten beat on broken coverage and have given up some long runs. Lincoln Trojans dominated the time of possession much of the game. The Trojans were only able to put up 7 points. But, the low scoring is much due to failure to convert on 4th down deep in the Rams territory a few times. Lincoln and other teams have figured that it is better to go for it on 4th down than punt the ball and give the Rams offense the opportunity to put up points on the scoreboard. Several teams have also pooched kick or attempted onsides kicks against the Rams for this same reason. The Rams main weapons on offense are junior #3 Kenneth Moore III and sophomore sensation #13 Osani Gayles. Just put the ball in their hands and watch them do their thing.

Grant has size and speed and let's not forget that they beat Rocklin last year in the NorCal regional game after Rocklin defeated St. Mary's. Grant has cruised thru league with least resistance than any of these top 4 D2 teams. But, their SoS (17.7) is well below that of St. Mary's (23.2) and Rocklin's (21.7), much due to their league competition. A potential semi-final matchup between Grant @ St. Mary's is going to be epic, a shootout, and victorious for the team that can capitalize on turnovers. And although Grant has size and speed, IMHO, I do believe the Rams may have a bit more speed and their dual threat 2nd string QB Moses Alexander I believe will be the difference maker. Moses can fly! The Rams offense is even much better since his availability to play (due to transfer from Lincoln-Stockton). He adds an additional dimension that causes the opponent to have to practice against. As a homer, I will take St. Mary's in this game. But, in no way is it going to be easy. Grant could possibly steal this one from the Rams on Sanguinetti Field.

Manteca is probably the sleeper out of this group. Their only loss was a 28-29 loss to Marin Catholic. They do have a victory over Central Catholic, another common opponent of St. Mary's. The Rams won both of their games vs these two teams. Manteca also had a more dominant victory vs Lincoln-Stockton, another common opponent, and also a common opponent for Rocklin. Manteca, although has the weakest SoS (13.6), appears to have had a much easier victory vs Lincoln-Stockton than St. Mary's and Rocklin, with both SM and Rocklin struggling to get out of the gate early on before winning big, as well. The SoS may haunt Manteca once they potentially face off against Rocklin in the other semi-finals. I'm picking Rocklin.

I'm predicting a Rocklin vs St. Mary's rematch in the SJS D2 finals. Rocklin's defense vs the Rams offense was key last year. Will it be strong enough this year to slow down/stop the Rams speedsters this year. Hopefully, this is the finals matchup we will all see (bias on my part). Rocklin the #1 seed IMHO will be the favorite. Don't let their loss to OR sway you to think otherwise.

D3 ... Oakdale, like Folsom, steamrolls to another SJS section championship.

D4 ... 12 Bridges DITTO!

D2 is the SJS division that is going to be the MOST ENTERTAINING, especially when it gets to the semi-finals.
 
bulldogmgc said:
D1 ... Agree, Folsom steamrolls to another SJS D1 section championship!

D2 ... I also agree that D2 will be the most competitive division for SJS playoffs. I wouldn't sell Rocklin short. They lost to a tough OR. OR has had the strongest SoS in the entire section, including Folsom. Rocklin still has a young talented QB in Reeve Slone and IMHO has the best defense in the SJS D2 division and their offense with Slone is very, very good. Outside of Folsom and OR, no team has held Rocklin to less than 35 points. Rocklin is the #1 seed in D2 for a reason. Sure, St. Mary's, Grant, and Manteca will be tough competition.

St. Mary's probably has the most explosive offense of the bunch. But, their defense is good, not great, but better than last year. Sometimes they have gotten beat on broken coverage and have given up some long runs. Lincoln Trojans dominated the time of possession much of the game. The Trojans were only able to put up 7 points. But, the low scoring is much due to failure to convert on 4th down deep in the Rams territory a few times. Lincoln and other teams have figured that it is better to go for it on 4th down than punt the ball and give the Rams offense the opportunity to put up points on the scoreboard. Several teams have also pooched kick or attempted onsides kicks against the Rams for this same reason. The Rams main weapons on offense are junior #3 Kenneth Moore III and sophomore sensation #13 Osani Gayles. Just put the ball in their hands and watch them do their thing.

Grant has size and speed and let's not forget that they beat Rocklin last year in the NorCal regional game after Rocklin defeated St. Mary's. Grant has cruised thru league with least resistance than any of these top 4 D2 teams. But, their SoS (17.7) is well below that of St. Mary's (23.2) and Rocklin's (21.7), much due to their league competition. A potential semi-final matchup between Grant @ St. Mary's is going to be epic, a shootout, and victorious for the team that can capitalize on turnovers. And although Grant has size and speed, IMHO, I do believe the Rams may have a bit more speed and their dual threat 2nd string QB Moses Alexander I believe will be the difference maker. Moses can fly! The Rams offense is even much better since his availability to play (due to transfer from Lincoln-Stockton). He adds an additional dimension that causes the opponent to have to practice against. As a homer, I will take St. Mary's in this game. But, in no way is it going to be easy. Grant could possibly steal this one from the Rams on Sanguinetti Field.

Manteca is probably the sleeper out of this group. Their only loss was a 28-29 loss to Marin Catholic. They do have a victory over Central Catholic, another common opponent of St. Mary's. The Rams won both of their games vs these two teams. Manteca also had a more dominant victory vs Lincoln-Stockton, another common opponent, and also a common opponent for Rocklin. Manteca, although has the weakest SoS (13.6), appears to have had a much easier victory vs Lincoln-Stockton than St. Mary's and Rocklin, with both SM and Rocklin struggling to get out of the gate early on before winning big, as well. The SoS may haunt Manteca once they potentially face off against Rocklin in the other semi-finals. I'm picking Rocklin.

I'm predicting a Rocklin vs St. Mary's rematch in the SJS D2 finals. Rocklin's defense vs the Rams offense was key last year. Will it be strong enough this year to slow down/stop the Rams speedsters this year. Hopefully, this is the finals matchup we will all see (bias on my part). Rocklin the #1 seed IMHO will be the favorite. Don't let their loss to OR sway you to think otherwise.

D3 ... Oakdale, like Folsom, steamrolls to another SJS section championship.

D4 ... 12 Bridges DITTO!

D2 is the SJS division that is going to be the MOST ENTERTAINING, especially when it gets to the semi-finals.
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Good write up as always ! Rocklin really struggled in the rain against OR. I might be putting too much emphasis on how poorly they played. It just really seemed to bother them. D2 will be fun. Marin Cath has a crazy good defense so for Manteca to get 28 tells me a lot. I like Manteca as dark horse as well.
 
bulldogmgc said:
D1 ... Agree, Folsom steamrolls to another SJS D1 section championship!

D2 ... I also agree that D2 will be the most competitive division for SJS playoffs. I wouldn't sell Rocklin short. They lost to a tough OR. OR has had the strongest SoS in the entire section, including Folsom. Rocklin still has a young talented QB in Reeve Slone and IMHO has the best defense in the SJS D2 division and their offense with Slone is very, very good. Outside of Folsom and OR, no team has held Rocklin to less than 35 points. Rocklin is the #1 seed in D2 for a reason. Sure, St. Mary's, Grant, and Manteca will be tough competition.

St. Mary's probably has the most explosive offense of the bunch. But, their defense is good, not great, but better than last year. Sometimes they have gotten beat on broken coverage and have given up some long runs. Lincoln Trojans dominated the time of possession much of the game. The Trojans were only able to put up 7 points. But, the low scoring is much due to failure to convert on 4th down deep in the Rams territory a few times. Lincoln and other teams have figured that it is better to go for it on 4th down than punt the ball and give the Rams offense the opportunity to put up points on the scoreboard. Several teams have also pooched kick or attempted onsides kicks against the Rams for this same reason. The Rams main weapons on offense are junior #3 Kenneth Moore III and sophomore sensation #13 Osani Gayles. Just put the ball in their hands and watch them do their thing.

Grant has size and speed and let's not forget that they beat Rocklin last year in the NorCal regional game after Rocklin defeated St. Mary's. Grant has cruised thru league with least resistance than any of these top 4 D2 teams. But, their SoS (17.7) is well below that of St. Mary's (23.2) and Rocklin's (21.7), much due to their league competition. A potential semi-final matchup between Grant @ St. Mary's is going to be epic, a shootout, and victorious for the team that can capitalize on turnovers. And although Grant has size and speed, IMHO, I do believe the Rams may have a bit more speed and their dual threat 2nd string QB Moses Alexander I believe will be the difference maker. Moses can fly! The Rams offense is even much better since his availability to play (due to transfer from Lincoln-Stockton). He adds an additional dimension that causes the opponent to have to practice against. As a homer, I will take St. Mary's in this game. But, in no way is it going to be easy. Grant could possibly steal this one from the Rams on Sanguinetti Field.

Manteca is probably the sleeper out of this group. Their only loss was a 28-29 loss to Marin Catholic. They do have a victory over Central Catholic, another common opponent of St. Mary's. The Rams won both of their games vs these two teams. Manteca also had a more dominant victory vs Lincoln-Stockton, another common opponent, and also a common opponent for Rocklin. Manteca, although has the weakest SoS (13.6), appears to have had a much easier victory vs Lincoln-Stockton than St. Mary's and Rocklin, with both SM and Rocklin struggling to get out of the gate early on before winning big, as well. The SoS may haunt Manteca once they potentially face off against Rocklin in the other semi-finals. I'm picking Rocklin.

I'm predicting a Rocklin vs St. Mary's rematch in the SJS D2 finals. Rocklin's defense vs the Rams offense was key last year. Will it be strong enough this year to slow down/stop the Rams speedsters this year. Hopefully, this is the finals matchup we will all see (bias on my part). Rocklin the #1 seed IMHO will be the favorite. Don't let their loss to OR sway you to think otherwise.

D3 ... Oakdale, like Folsom, steamrolls to another SJS section championship.

D4 ... 12 Bridges DITTO!

D2 is the SJS division that is going to be the MOST ENTERTAINING, especially when it gets to the semi-finals.
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Nice job - keep going Larry or Bull...

D5? #1 Hughson, #2 Sutter or some other team?

D6? #1 Bradshaw Christian, #2 Woodland Christian or some other team?

D7? #1 Summerville, #2 Stone Ridge Christian or some other team?
 
I was shocked too. But they battled back to take the lead 44-41 with 4 minutes left. It was really nice to see the crowd yelling on every play and going crazy with the last TD and at game’s end. Pretty crazy considering Downey fumbled four times and had an interception but still came back to win.
 
THEOC89 said:
Since the SJS changed the way their teams is slated in the Divisions, SJS D1 has become the worst playoff Bracket in Nor Cal…..

All the best teams are in D2, pretty dumb…. Need to move to a Competitive equity format where all the best teams are in D1…. I am sure none of the schools care though because no one wants their season ended by Folsom…. 🤣
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The worst bracket in Nor Cal? I am giving you the benefit of the doubt in that you perhaps meant the least competitive because Folsom is so dominant. There are other very good teams in Div. I and all the best teams are not in Div. II. Oak Ridge dominated the Div.II top seed Rocklin. Inderkum, Central Catholic, and Turlock are very good teams. Div. II has no team remotely close to Folsom but St. Mary's, Grant, Rocklin and Manteca are very good and subjectively better than the non-Folsom Div. I teams, except for Oak Ridge. There are other good teams remaining in either division such as Granite Bay and Monterey Trail in Div. I and Jesuit and Rodriguez in Div. II.
 
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It’s probably a crazy idea, but what if the SJS only used CalPreps ratings for their playoff structure? It would look something like this:
D1: Top 16 teams. No bye weeks. Week one of Playoffs: #16 at #1, #15 at #2, etc

D2: Next best 16 teams: #17 through #33.

D3: Next best 16 teams: #34 through #50.

D4: Next best 16 teams: #51 through #67.

D5: Next best 16 teams: #68 through #84.

D6: Next best 16 teams: #85 through 101.

Or: Same as above, except add an Open Division with Cal Prep's teams #1 through #4, and move Division 1 to teams #4 through #20, Division 2 to teams #21 through #37, and so on…

If two teams have the same CalPreps ratings, a coin flip would determine the higher seed, with the coin flip winner deciding if they prefer the higher seed or lower seed. If the same rating occured between #16 and #17, the coin flip winner would have the option of being the lowest seed in D1 or highest seed in D2. This would be a playoff system based only on competitive equity as determined by Cal Preps.
The other thing that would be interesting would be to put all 10 weeks’ scores for every high school in California or the USA for that matter that plays 11-man football and ask an AI engine like Chat GPT-4 to determine a ranking system. I’m sure it could be designed to even include player stats and if certain players were injured, etc.
 
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carlmerritt said:
It’s probably a crazy idea, but what if the SJS only used CalPreps ratings for their playoff structure? It would look something like this:
D1: Top 16 teams. No bye weeks. Week one of Playoffs: #16 at #1, #15 at #2, etc

D2: Next best 16 teams: #17 through #33.

D3: Next best 16 teams: #34 through #50.

D4: Next best 16 teams: #51 through #67.

D5: Next best 16 teams: #68 through #84.

D6: Next best 16 teams: #85 through 101.

Or: Same as above, except add an Open Division with Cal Prep's teams #1 through #4, and move Division 1 to teams #4 through #20, Division 2 to teams #21 through #37, and so on…

If two teams have the same CalPreps ratings, a coin flip would determine the higher seed, with the coin flip winner deciding if they prefer the higher seed or lower seed. If the same rating occured between #16 and #17, the coin flip winner would have the option of being the lowest seed in D1 or highest seed in D2. This would be a playoff system based only on competitive equity as determined by Cal Preps.
The other thing that would be interesting would be to put all 10 weeks’ scores for every high school in California or the USA for that matter that plays 11-man football and ask an AI engine like Chat GPT-4 to determine a ranking system. I’m sure it could be designed to even include player stats and if certain players were injured, etc.
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One tweak to your idea could be to maybe create "enrollment" categories then create the division within those. Lump D1-D3 schools in a larger schools category and smaller schools in another.

There still has to be some weight given to school size. At the end of the regular season, Monterey Trail was ranked outside the top 16. In the 17-32 spots are teams that are down in D6. They certainly are very good teams, but it just seems inherently unfair to force them to play so far above their classification when they haven't gotten there through the continued success rule.

However, I don't think the Section wants to do any of this. I have long held the belief that they want the top 8-10 schools spread out through the divisions so that the SJS fairs better in the regional games. I also think the other sections see this as well, which is why the decision was made to pair Grant and Rocklin last year. There is no way Grant should have been in D3 and everyone knew it. The results of the game proved it.
 
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MTsince2004 said:
One tweak to your idea could be to maybe create "enrollment" categories then create the division within those. Lump D1-D3 schools in a larger schools category and smaller schools in another.

There still has to be some weight given to school size. At the end of the regular season, Monterey Trail was ranked outside the top 16. In the 17-32 spots are teams that are down in D6. They certainly are very good teams, but it just seems inherently unfair to force them to play so far above their classification when they haven't gotten there through the continued success rule.

However, I don't think the Section wants to do any of this. I have long held the belief that they want the top 8-10 schools spread out through the divisions so that the SJS fairs better in the regional games. I also think the other sections see this as well, which is why the decision was made to pair Grant and Rocklin last year. There is no way Grant should have been in D3 and everyone knew it. The results of the game proved it.
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MT vs OR this week. Pretty tough game for OR. MT line looks really good (offensive) but giving up 34 to Lincoln is a little concerning.
Not sure there is a team playing better than OR right now given where they were 5 weeks ago. Could be wet Friday night so the team that can take care of the ball is likley the winner.
 
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MT vs OR this week. Pretty tough game for OR. MT line looks really good (offensive) but giving up 34 to Lincoln is a little concerning.
Not sure there is a team playing better than OR right now given where they were 5 weeks ago. Could be wet Friday night so the team that can take care of the ball is likley the winner.
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Hopefully, it's a good one!
 
carlmerritt said:
It’s probably a crazy idea, but what if the SJS only used CalPreps ratings for their playoff structure? It would look something like this:
D1: Top 16 teams. No bye weeks. Week one of Playoffs: #16 at #1, #15 at #2, etc

D2: Next best 16 teams: #17 through #33.

D3: Next best 16 teams: #34 through #50.

D4: Next best 16 teams: #51 through #67.

D5: Next best 16 teams: #68 through #84.

D6: Next best 16 teams: #85 through 101.

Or: Same as above, except add an Open Division with Cal Prep's teams #1 through #4, and move Division 1 to teams #4 through #20, Division 2 to teams #21 through #37, and so on…

If two teams have the same CalPreps ratings, a coin flip would determine the higher seed, with the coin flip winner deciding if they prefer the higher seed or lower seed. If the same rating occured between #16 and #17, the coin flip winner would have the option of being the lowest seed in D1 or highest seed in D2. This would be a playoff system based only on competitive equity as determined by Cal Preps.
The other thing that would be interesting would be to put all 10 weeks’ scores for every high school in California or the USA for that matter that plays 11-man football and ask an AI engine like Chat GPT-4 to determine a ranking system. I’m sure it could be designed to even include player stats and if certain players were injured, etc.
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Looking at the match up with Folson would look close. Almost same total yards and points. And Lamb is throwing for more yards. Plaa has his passing game down. If you had a defense! Got to score 44 because you gave up 41. Fun to watch too!
 
Rocknrolus 95361 said:
Looking at the match up with Folson would look close. Almost same total yards and points. And Lamb is throwing for more yards. Plaa has his passing game down. If you had a defense! Got to score 44 because you gave up 41. Fun to watch too!
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No one in the section is going to come close to beating Folsom. Turlock shut down Downey 33-14, their only loss. Turlock lost to Folsom 56-14.
 
MTsince2004 said:
One tweak to your idea could be to maybe create "enrollment" categories then create the division within those. Lump D1-D3 schools in a larger schools category and smaller schools in another.

There still has to be some weight given to school size. At the end of the regular season, Monterey Trail was ranked outside the top 16. In the 17-32 spots are teams that are down in D6. They certainly are very good teams, but it just seems inherently unfair to force them to play so far above their classification when they haven't gotten there through the continued success rule.

However, I don't think the Section wants to do any of this. I have long held the belief that they want the top 8-10 schools spread out through the divisions so that the SJS fairs better in the regional games. I also think the other sections see this as well, which is why the decision was made to pair Grant and Rocklin last year. There is no way Grant should have been in D3 and everyone knew it. The results of the game proved it.
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agree...
1. i think enrollment is still a philosophical playoff principle the sjs will hold onto
2. since only section winners are eligible for state, it makes sense to not cannabalize their talent

even an open division that allows the finalists to advance would make for 1 or 2 more smaller school teams that would've won a lower division section to not qualify.

however, with grant last year, I don't think that was intentional, unless they tweaked the seeding process knowing grant would be D3 and that being the sole purpose. I do think they knew the new (old) seeding process increased the chances of a good team not facing folsom, though. I think they got lucky with grant in d3, cuz enrollments worked out.
 
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I have long held the belief that they want the top 8-10 schools spread out through the divisions so that the SJS fairs better in the regional games.
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This!!!….. it’s pretty Clear to see..,.

Why else would Rocklin who had a 2 TD win over Turlock and Beat D1 #5 seed Granite Bay in D2?…,.

Also, why is ST Mary’s who Beat D1 Modesto CC and Barely lost to Nor Cal #1 DLS in D2?:….

The SJS just wants to provide Cannon Fodder for Folsom in D1 and have the better teams in D2 so they can move “The Second Best” team in the SJS to a RBG….

But this is the game now…. All the sections are doing it in some form or fashion….
 
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the SJS has NEVER deviated from enrollment based seedings...the only concession to competitive equity has been the slow roll that is 'continued success'.

so, there is no conspiracy theory the way i see it.. it's just keeping the status quo, which they probably view as beneficial for getting more teams into the state games.
 
THEOC89 said:
This!!!….. it’s pretty Clear to see..,.

Why else would Rocklin who had a 2 TD win over Turlock and Beat D1 #5 seed Granite Bay in D2?…,.

Also, why is ST Mary’s who Beat D1 Modesto CC and Barely lost to Nor Cal #1 DLS in D2?:….

The SJS just wants to provide Cannon Fodder for Folsom in D1 and have the better teams in D2 so they can move “The Second Best” team in the SJS to a RBG….

But this is the game now…. All the sections are doing it in some form or fashion….
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Well a couple years back Oakdale beat Manteca 28 to 0. Then in playoff game lost to Manteca 35 to 28.
 
actually, the one thing they did do to game the seeding (for the better, which most people will agree):

they got rid of the North v south brackets. As recent as 2008 or 9, I believe.. they still separated sacramento from san joaquin, and the winner of sac would play the winner of san joaquin. they realized all of the better teams were in Sac, and eliminating each other... so before the expansion of the state games, they changed the playoff format to seed 1-16 throughout the section (by enrollment divisions)

at the time, the state games were decided by committee as it grew from 3 to 5, and only section winners were eligible.

I think exactly zero people are framing this as the section trying to get more teams in... It was the right thing to do...AND it got more teams in.
 
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Well a couple years back Oakdale beat Manteca 28 to 0. Then in playoff game lost to Manteca 35 to 28.
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Sure, this happens all the time….. My Point is this….

D1 should be the best of the best…. The #2 Seed in D1 is Ranked #7 in the SJS and The #3 seed in D1 is ranked #9 in the SJS….

Yet the #2 Ranked team in the SJS and #3 Ranked team in the SJS are both in D2…. This is just flat out stupid and is the SJS Gaming the system so Folsom doesn’t eliminate the #2 or #3 team in the SJS…..
 
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Sure, this happens all the time….. My Point is this….

D1 should be the best of the best…. The #2 Seed in D1 is Ranked #7 in the SJS and The #3 seed in D1 is ranked #9 in the SJS….

Yet the #2 Ranked team in the SJS and #3 Ranked team in the SJS are both in D2…. This is just flat out stupid and is the SJS Gaming the system so Folsom doesn’t eliminate the #2 or #3 team in the SJS…..
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I have already pointed out flaws. St Mary's beats CC and CC is in D1 and St Mary's in D2?
 
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I will be a homer and say if Folsom thinks Downey will be an easy win, be aware. I would add Downey is a smart team that has some cleverness to counter Folsom and Lyons. I see this game as 42-26. Turlock will a tough matchup for Central. Raiders are healthy and might make some noise. Inderkum could be another underdog to watch. Oak Ridge or Monterey
Trail goes to the wire. Folsom should win the D1 SJS, however things can change.
D2 I have Rocklin, Grant, St. Mary's and Manteca, all of these squads could win it out. Rodriguez of Fairfield let's see what you got. D3 I have Oakdale versus Merced in the Final.
 
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