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Thursday Night Football Folsom vs Rocklin

Point Spread Folsom to win by:

  • 0-7

    Votes: 3 33.3%
  • 7-14

    Votes: 1 11.1%
  • 14-21

    Votes: 2 22.2%
  • Running Clock

    Votes: 3 33.3%

  • Total voters
    9
Honestly, I think part of it is not taking what the defense gives you. Similar to what was going on with the Chiefs for part of the last NFL season.

And how well Rocklin tackled. It is huge IMO if you can limit YAC and keep receivers in front of you against Folsom
Exactky, Adams always has a sound defense, they are blue collar, tackle well. I did not see the game, they most likely stayed in zone coverage and did not give up the big play. Mack is talented, but a pocket passer no huge threat to run. Front four probably got after it with an occasional blitz.
 
Wow- seems like a lot of chest thumping from a loss.

May as well just celebrate a super bowl win for scoring 7 points at the end of the game to keep it to one score.

Amazing to see how bad people want Folsom to lose, only to see them celebrate a small consolation on a Thurs evening. :)
I think most are respectfully saying Rocklin had a great game plan and battled Folsom. On paper they had no business keeping it to zero at half if you strictly look at the talent pool. You just struggle to give any SFL team credit other than Folsom and brag about a loaded team that quite frankly should run the table in the SFL. Pretty sure Folsom did not lay down and give Rocklin the late TD.
 
I think most are respectfully saying Rocklin had a great game plan and battled Folsom. On paper they had no business keeping it to zero at half if you strictly look at the talent pool. You just struggle to give any SFL team credit other than Folsom and brag about a loaded team that quite frankly should run the table in the SFL. Pretty sure Folsom did not lay down and give Rocklin the late TD.
Remember this is the same clown who changed his avatar to Rocklins after the arse whooping Rocklin put on Folsom last year 40-7.....it's still killing him....ha ha ha
 
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Remember this is the same clown who changed his avatar to Rocklins after the arse whooping Rocklin put on Folsom last year 40-7.....it's still killing him....ha ha ha
Rocklin is 0-2 since that game and has scored a total of 10 points since then.

Def not killing me.

I think it's even more impressive that a program known for explosive offense has become such a defensive powerhouse. Fun to watch!
 
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Rocklin is 0-2 since that game and has scored a total of 10 points since then.

Def not killing me.

I think it's even more impressive that a program known for explosive offense has become such a defensive powerhouse. Fun to watch!
Whoa whoa whoa, wait a second. You were once a Rocklin guy, please tell me this is fake news
 
Honest question here. Are these 3-4 stars really that good? How much is Hype? Let me be real blunt. You have a WR who could have went to any school in the country and another one with PAc12 offers and they can’t dominate kids that will never play college football? What am I missing? When you went to watch the Ngata brothers it was a damn show. Same with badger too. Just total domination. And they haven’t exactly torn it up in college. (I know injuries hurt joe). Maybe I’m being too harsh but even the Trosin brothers were more electric to me. If you can’t dominate in Hs how the hell are you going to be productive in college?

You make good points. The only logical conclusion I can offer is this.

The current coaching staff isn’t near as good as the previous one and they’re not taking full advantage of the elite kids such as Flores.

The current staff is similar to the one at DLS. Taking over a ready-made program and having success early on because of it. But like DLS, we’re starting to see signs of erosion at Folsom.

While still very good, the offense has not been as dynamic since Taylor then Richardson and staff left. Because the holdovers aren’t them.

Everyone is seemingly calling out DLS and their staff this season but it took almost a decade to get to that point. Folsom is only a few years into the transition so it might take a bit longer for the erosion to get to the same point.

That, and the QB play just isn’t near as good. We saw an example of it last season when Tremaine went down compared to when he came back. Well, he ain’t playing this season either after graduating and the QB play has taken a few steps backward.
 
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You make good points. The only logical conclusion I can offer is this.

The current coaching staff isn’t near as good as the previous one and they’re not taking full advantage of the elite kids such as Flores.

The current staff is similar to the one at DLS. Taking over a ready-made program and having success early on because of it. But like DLS, we’re starting to see signs of erosion at Folsom.

While still very good, the offense has not been as dynamic since Taylor then Richardson and staff left. Because the holdovers aren’t them.

Everyone is seemingly calling out DLS and their staff this season but it took almost a decade to get to that point. Folsom is only a few years into the transition so it might take a bit longer for the erosion to get to the same point.
I don’t care what sport it many be on the high school level, to maintain dominance is a tough task. Coaches move on, dynamics change, and at the end of the day sometimes you may not just get the same kids as previous.
 
I don’t care what sport it many be on the high school level, to maintain dominance is a tough task. Coaches move on, dynamics change, and at the end of the day sometimes you may not just get the same kids as previous.

Not only is the coaching staff not the same or near as good, you are right in that they don’t have as many of the blue chip kids as they used to draw in.

The video game like offensive production has taken steps back the past few years, they’ve incurred a few losses in league, and the QB play is down. All things that weren’t happening under Taylor or Richardson.

We may very well see the decline described above result in further decline of the top talent in the area choosing to jump ship to Folsom.
 
So I looked up 2009 because I did not recall the D2 playoffs since MT was in D1.

Del Oro beat St. Mary's and Folsom by one point. Folsom was actually leading 35-7 at the half, but DO was able to generate some extra possessions through onside kicks. Clearly, Del Oro controlled and dominated the second half, but everything needed to go their way to overcome that deficit.

MT faced Folsom that season, as well. It's true that they were not a very physical team and their defense allowed multiple 6+ minute drives in the second half. That's basically how Monterey Trail game plans against Folsom--play keep away. It worked that night with a 22-21 win in overtime. Might not have worked again.

So yes, Folsom was not a very physical team and their defense was suspect. However, as an offensive team, 2009 was lights out. They were a dangerous opponent for anybody in the Section.

I was at that game. The stats you looked up don’t tell the story.

DO was the better team, clearly. What caused the deficit were unforced flukish plays such as Bryce Pratt, the Golden Eagles physically punishing back, opting to run a defender over on his way into the end zone rather than avoiding him and going in untouched which resulted in a fumble and touchback change of possession.

There were other plays like it, too. Folsom’s offense was extremely dynamic and capitalized on the mistakes to get that lead, but it was clear DO was the physically dominant team.

When fans started leaving at half I told my then 14-year old son that DO is a 2nd half team and their extremely physical style of play wears opponents down like it did to St. Mary’s the week before. I predicted they’d come back. Not just because of their physical style, but because you could tell they were really the better team that got behind largely due to unforced mistakes.

Well, that’s exactly what happened. The flukey turnovers and mistakes from the 1st half didn’t happen in the 2nd half and they blew Folsom’s doors out.

In fact Folsom was so distraught and embarrassed by their weak defense they went out and hired Max Miller — one of Cordova’s head coaches from their dominant run — to captain their defense in 2010.

Had that 2009 Folsom team managed to hold on and beat DO — no chance they were beating Rocklin in the Section Final. Their defense had zero chance to stand up physically to stop Rocklin’s 2400 yard rusher or slow down their dynamic pass attack. Meanwhile Rocklin’s defense was gritty and physical enough up front to slow down Folsom offense.

That’s why 2010 was Folsom’s year once Grant Union got slowed by injury. Their defense was much better than it was in 2009.
 
FWIW, if Central Catholic faces the same Folsom team from Thursday night, I like Central Catholic’s chances. CC has a very balanced offense and their line play on offense and defense will be able to do just fine vs Thursday night’s Folsom. Likewise, a DLS rematch against Thursday’s Folsom would have different results. Folsom’s offense (non-Thursday’s version) does not play as sloppy as they did last night. Credit Rocklin’s defense. But, all of those penalties and dropped passes were not Rocklin’s defense’s fault.

Agreed about Central Catholic.

Re: Folsom’s and their mistakes, don’t forget that RHS made lots of them too. That’s been one of their biggest issues offensively. Penalties. False starts, delay of game, holds. We saw all those occur multiple times last night.

So, a lot of Folsom’s penalties were balanced out by Rocklin’s penalties that set their offense far behind the sticks.

It works both ways.

Also, you might consider that Rocklin’s defense helped to cause some of those mistakes by Folsom as they were pressing and getting frustrated in trying to make things happen.

Not every defense is going to be able to cause the same amount of challenge and stress.
 
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Few takeaways from last night's game:

1. Rocklin's defense is one of the better groups I have seen this year in NorCal. Having Houston in the middle makes a big difference. They play a sound system and rarely miss tackles. That is a recipie for success.

I’ve been saying it for a few weeks. #5 is a player and makes the defense a lot better. They really missed him in the lineup the first half of the season.

I can’t wait to see how he does at Sac State.


2. This is one of Folsom's least dynamic offenses over the past decade plus (still a good group but they have a great history on that side of the ball). I obviously don't know Folsom's game plan, but they struggled to get any flow last night.

Also been saying this most the season. It’s very noticeable. I’ve already detailed the reasons why, as far as I can tell. But QB play is the prime reason for it IMO.


3. Folsom's defense is legit. Rocklin's offense has its struggles for sure, but I only remember a couple of plays for Rocklin that went over 10 yards. While the offense is lagging based on Folsom's expectations, this is one of the most athletic groups that they have had.

Agreed here as well. Folsom’s defense has been very good all season. Against Serra, DLS and Pitt, and everyone else. It’s driving their team.

I‘m not convinced it’s as dynamic or good as the 2014 and 2018 defenses, but it’s surely among their better defensive units over the past 13 years.

It’s hard to tell. DLS is obviously down this season. But so is Folsom and Rocklin for that matter. They aren’t the same level teams as the past 2 seasons. But Del Oro, Oak Ridge and GB are up a bit. So IDK if it’s fair or accurate to proclaim the SFL as “down” on the whole.
 
Folsom is missing their collegiate coaching staff. Those kids were fortunate to receive coaching from one of the most respected offensive minds in FBS/FCS football.

Folsom is still a good program but those kids were being coached by a coaching staff that is now doing big things at the FCS level.

IMO, it has very little to do with the kids. It’s the fact that they were being coached by a collegiate staff. Coach Taylor and Co were very ambitious!
 
Agreed about Central Catholic.

Re: Folsom’s and their mistakes, don’t forget that RHS made lots of them too. That’s been one of their biggest issues offensively. Penalties. False starts, delay of game, holds. We saw all those occur multiple times last night.

So, a lot of Folsom’s penalties were balanced out by Rocklin’s penalties that set their offense far behind the sticks.

It works both ways.

Also, you might consider that Rocklin’s defense helped to cause some of those mistakes by Folsom as they were pressing and getting frustrated in trying to make things happen.

Not every defense is going to be able to cause the same amount of challenge and stress.
Good points, I have seen this all year on the penalties and self inflicted wounds for an already limp offense. But what got my BP up was that delay of game. The playe had been called already, the sideline check was odd and the delay of game baffling. Who knows.
 
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Good points, I have seen this all year on the penalties and self inflicted wounds for an already limp offense. But what got my BP up was that delay of game. The playe had been called already, the sideline check was odd and the delay of game baffling. Who knows.

Yeah, the delays are baffling and I believe they’ve had one or two seemingly every game I’ve seen.

The holds have also been killers. Their offense struggles enough as it is, but the penalties have been what’s made them anemic at times.

Last night was the 5th scoreless first half they’ve had this season (Turlock, Glacier Peak, Del Oro, Granite Bay, Folsom) and they only scored 7 in the first half against Oak Ridge a week ago and only 6 points against McQueen the 2nd game of the season.

The offense isn’t good, but it isn’t that bad either. They have the ability to hit explosive pass plays and grind it out well on the ground. Unfortunately a lot plays are nullified or they get way behind the sticks and can’t overcome. Losing Elias Brown late in the season has just made things worse.
 
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