Top 5 Leagues

[MOlST AND PLUMP]

here are the top 5 leagues in nor cal currently

1 tri river (central section - but champ always plays in nor cal play off)
2 west catholic
3 sierra foothill
4 east bay mountain
5 redwood empire upper division

honorable mention

6 tri city (sac joaquin)
7 diablo athletic upper division
8 valley oak

thoughts?

 

[FBAddict]

here are the top 5 leagues in nor cal currently

1 tri river (central section - but champ always plays in nor cal play off)
2 west catholic
3 sierra foothill
4 east bay mountain
5 redwood empire upper division

honorable mention

6 tri city (sac joaquin)
7 diablo athletic upper division
8 valley oak

thoughts?

Calpreps ratings doesn't agree... Additionally, there has been a fundamental shift for Sierra Foothill by adding two more schools to its league this year. More schools in a league will typically bring down the average strength for leagues - especially top leagues.

Calpreps ratings 2024 YTD
1. Tri River - 6 teams
2. East Bay - Mountain - 5 teams
3. West Catholic - 8 teams
4. Sierra Foothill - 8 teams
5. Redwood Empire - Adobe - 6 teams

By contrast, SS section's Trinity is significantly stronger with 6 teams. In fact, Trinity is the strongest league, by far, in the nation right now as rated by Calprpes. Tri-River shows up as # 19 in the nation.

 

[MOlST AND PLUMP]

Calpreps ratings doesn't agree... Additionally, there has been a fundamental shift for Sierra Foothill by adding two more schools to its league this year. More schools in a league will typically bring down the average strength for leagues - especially top leagues.

Calpreps ratings 2024 YTD
1. Tri River - 6 teams
2. East Bay - Mountain - 5 teams
3. West Catholic - 8 teams
4. Sierra Foothill - 8 teams
5. Redwood Empire - Adobe - 6 teams

By contrast, SS section's Trinity is significantly stronger with 6 teams. In fact, Trinity is the strongest league, by far, in the nation right now as rated by Calprpes. Tri-River shows up as # 19 in the nation.

trinity league has nothing to do with this discussion this is about the top leagues in nor cal.

to your main point though. even if you were to conveniently leave out davis and whitney to try and make sierra foothill look better, for this specific season tri river is still better. if they were to have a league vs league matchup look how it would go

folsom vs clovis east yes folsom wins but game is likely close

clovis north vs rockin clovis north wins

granite bay vs clovis is 50/50 toss up

central vs oak ridge central wins RUNNING CLOCK

buchanan vs jesuit buchanan wins RUNNING CLOCK

clovis west vs del oro clovis west wins RUNNING CLOCK


so even in that scenario it’s either 5-1 or 4-2 in favor of tri river with three of there wins in the running clock variety.

again this is only for this year almost any other year the story would be different including next year when sierra foothill bounces back from this down year

 

[FBAddict]

trinity league has nothing to do with this discussion this is about the top leagues in nor cal.

It is relevant in the sense that it adds perspective to the total landscape of leagues across the nation and California. It shows:
1. How far NorCal's best is below the best in CA and the nation's best.
2. The league team that the NorCal's best will match up with the best league team from SoCal in the eventual and inevitable SBG-Open game.

We really need to add this discussion because you included Tri-River in the mix that will likely only happen in RGB and SBG games.

 

[MOlST AND PLUMP]

It is relevant in the sense that it adds perspective to the total landscape of leagues across the nation and California. It shows:
1. How far NorCal's best is below the best in CA and the nation's best.
2. The league team that the NorCal's best will match up with the best league team from SoCal in the eventual and inevitable SBG-Open game.

We really need to add this discussion because you included Tri-River in the mix that will likely only happen in RGB and SBG games.

tri river is in the discussion because it is ostensibly a nor cal league. that is an apple to apple comparison.

 

[FBAddict]

You might want to reconsider the inclusion of Tri-River in the NorCal discussion.in that case.

A quick review shows that the majority of RBG games for the top position in the CS section did not come from the Tri-River league. And out of the 11 years we have had the RBG games, the CS section won only 1 years for the RBG top position, 2 wins if you count 1A division in the mix..

The CS top team has gone to SoCal three times. One of those years (2022) the CS team won SBG against an NorCal opponent, again in the lower 1A division.

Only two teams have represented the Tri-River league in NorCal RBG top division - Central-Fresno and Clovis North.

 

[MOlST AND PLUMP]

You might want to reconsider the inclusion of Tri-River in the NorCal discussion.in that case.

A quick review shows that the majority of RBG games for the top position in the CS section did not came from the Tri-River league. And out of the 11 years we have had the RBG games, the CS section won only 1 years for the RBG top position, 2 wins if you count 1A division in the mix..

The CS top team has gone to SoCal three times. One of those years (2022) the CS team won SBG against an NorCal opponent, again in the lower 1A division.

Only two teams have represented the Tri-River league in NorCal RBG top division - Central-Fresno and Clovis North.

your not quite interpreting things correctly. the way it goes is that when a team from tri river league qualifies for regionals they play in norcal. if bakers field team wins its 5050 which regional they play in. this year the central section champ will come from tri river league because bakers field is way down. their four the tri river champ will be in nor cal. their four tri river is ostensibly a de fact o nor cal league this year.

 

[FBAddict]

your not quite interpreting things correctly. the way it goes is that when a team from tri river league qualifies for regionals they play in norcal. if bakers field team wins its 5050 which regional they play in. this year the central section champ will come from tri river league because bakers field is way down. their four the tri river champ will be in nor cal. their four tri river is ostensibly a de fact o nor cal league this year.

I guess I wasn't clear enough - Tri-River teams have gone to SoCal too over the history of the RBG games - namely Clovis North.

 

[MOlST AND PLUMP]

I guess I wasn't clear enough - Tri-River teams have gone to SoCal too over the history of the RBG games - namely Clovis North.

even if true that is not/will not be the case this year. the tri river champ will be in nor cal permanently now

 

[kendawg21]

here are the top 5 leagues in nor cal currently

1 tri river (central section - but champ always plays in nor cal play off)
2 west catholic
3 sierra foothill
4 east bay mountain
5 redwood empire upper division

honorable mention

6 tri city (sac joaquin)
7 diablo athletic upper division
8 valley oak

thoughts?

Excluding the central section i like:

WCAL
SFL
East Bay Mountain
TCAL
VOL

HM:
Redwood empire upper division
Diablo athletic upper division

 

[MOlST AND PLUMP]

Excluding the central section i like:

WCAL
SFL
East Bay Mountain
TCAL
VOL

HM:
Redwood empire upper division
Diablo athletic upper division

the valley oak league got gutted this year and is mediocre now due to the re align mint that’s why it’s only honorable mention

 

[Streak One]

the valley oak league got gutted this year and is mediocre now due to the re align mint that’s why it’s only honorable mention

How did the VOL get gutted? Still have Central Catholic, Manteca, Oakdale and added Patterson. The league is down this year yes, but I don't think they got gutted in realignment.

 

[MOlST AND PLUMP]

How did the VOL get gutted? Still have Central Catholic, Manteca, Oakdale and added Patterson. The league is down this year yes, but I don't think they got gutted in realignment.

for me, in my imo tracy and kimball as a combo are MUCH better than patterson (on a good run right now but traditionally aren't that strong) and mountain house (has yet to put anything together). central and manteca carry the league on the top end for sure, but the bottom half of the league just isn't strong enough to make the vol a top caliber league right now. having kimball and tracy as the bottom middle tier of the league makes for a good league. the "other" manteca schools and mountain house not so much.

for me when i'm judging the strength of the league i really consider the 4th, 5th, 6th best teams in the league just not the top two. it's the same reason a league like the bay valley (ncs) league isn't on my list, the bottom of the league is too bad.

would have been much better to keep tracy or kimball in the league, add patterson, and get rid of one of the manteca schools. and keep out mountain house. that would have made for a stronger football league, though admittedly i did not take travel into consideration in this assessment.

just my two sense.

 

[Streak One]

for me, in my imo tracy and kimball as a combo are MUCH better than patterson (on a good run right now but traditionally aren't that strong) and mountain house (has yet to put anything together). central and manteca carry the league on the top end for sure, but the bottom half of the league just isn't strong enough to make the vol a top caliber league right now. having kimball and tracy as the bottom middle tier of the league makes for a good league. the "other" manteca schools and mountain house not so much.

for me when i'm judging the strength of the league i really consider the 4th, 5th, 6th best teams in the league just not the top two. it's the same reason a league like the bay valley (ncs) league isn't on my list, the bottom of the league is too bad.

would have been much better to keep tracy or kimball in the league, add patterson, and get rid of one of the manteca schools. and keep out mountain house. that would have made for a stronger football league, though admittedly i did not take travel into consideration in this assessment.

just my two sense.

Tracy hasn't been in the VOL in at least 20 years. Don't know about before that, but they have been in the TCAL for awhile

 

[MOlST AND PLUMP]

Tracy hasn't been in the VOL in at least 20 years. Don't know about before that, but they have been in the TCAL for awhile

correct. my mistake i should have clarified - they should have added tracy and kept kimball.

 

[kendawg21]

the valley oak league got gutted this year and is mediocre now due to the re align mint that’s why it’s only honorable mention

Central Catholic, Manteca, Oakdale and Patterson will be very hard outs in 4 different divisions though. Not many leagues have that type of depth

 

[kendawg21]

for me, in my imo tracy and kimball as a combo are MUCH better than patterson (on a good run right now but traditionally aren't that strong) and mountain house (has yet to put anything together). central and manteca carry the league on the top end for sure, but the bottom half of the league just isn't strong enough to make the vol a top caliber league right now. having kimball and tracy as the bottom middle tier of the league makes for a good league. the "other" manteca schools and mountain house not so much.

for me when i'm judging the strength of the league i really consider the 4th, 5th, 6th best teams in the league just not the top two. it's the same reason a league like the bay valley (ncs) league isn't on my list, the bottom of the league is too bad.

would have been much better to keep tracy or kimball in the league, add patterson, and get rid of one of the manteca schools. and keep out mountain house. that would have made for a stronger football league, though admittedly i did not take travel into consideration in this assessment.

just my two sense.

I get what you are saying. Too to bottom, the vol will have all but 2 teams make the playoffs., sierra and mountain house. That, for the most part, makes for a good league. And because of the success historically of the top teams puts vol up there for me. But I do agree with your take

 

[Rocknrolus 95361]

How many leagues have teams in D1,D2,D3 and D4? The only one I know of VOL. To say they aren't relevant?
And gutted? Sorry that is an ignorant statement. They lost Kimball, and replaced with Patterson? And that's gutted?

 

[MOlST AND PLUMP]

How many leagues have teams in D1,D2,D3 and D4? The only one I know of VOL. To say they aren't relevant?
And gutted? Sorry that is an ignorant statement. They lost Kimball, and replaced with Patterson? And that's gutted?

the last time kimball played against patterson kimball put up 60. and kimball has literally never lost to patterson.

and your ignoring the fact that mountain house got added to the league and they are going to be an anchor on the league, as they have yet to find any stability or success as a program and don't look like they will any time soon.

 

[Cal 14]

Excluding the central section i like:

WCAL
SFL
East Bay Mountain
TCAL
VOL

HM:
Redwood empire upper division
Diablo athletic upper division

The Diablo Foothill is not a great league/division. There are no really bad teams, but no really good teams, either.

Tri-City has St. Mary's, whose rating brings up the rest of the league, but there's not much behind the Rams. Edison has played 3 good teams, but they weren't really competitive against any of them. They very well may lose to Downey this weekend, too.

Windsor hasn't beaten anyone of consequence out of the Redwood Empire Adobe, nor has San Marin. We'll see what happens when they finally have to play Marin Catholic and Cardinal Newman.

PCAL-Gabilan is arguably better than Diablo-Foothill, with two teams at, or above, the level of Las Lomas.

 

[MOlST AND PLUMP]

The Diablo Foothill is not a great league/division. There are no really bad teams, but no really good teams, either.

Tri-City has St. Mary's, whose rating brings up the rest of the league, but there's not much behind the Rams. Edison has played 3 good teams, but they weren't really competitive against any of them. They very well may lose to Downey this weekend, too.

Windsor hasn't beaten anyone of consequence out of the Redwood Empire Adobe, nor has San Marin. We'll see what happens when they finally have to play Marin Catholic and Cardinal Newman.

PCAL-Gabilan is arguably better than Diablo-Foothill, with two teams at, or above, the level of Las Lomas.

with all do respect, the gabilan has no place in this discussion. they have multiple severely negative teams on cal preps. several other aggressively mediocre ones. and then a couple teams on top that are good but are nothing but absolute cannon fodder in the first round of the playoffs.

until they can find a way to convince ccs to let los gatos in the league they are second tier in a good year and c tier most other years.

 

[smramsfan]

the last time kimball played against patterson kimball put up 60. and kimball has literally never lost to patterson.

and your ignoring the fact that mountain house got added to the league and they are going to be an anchor on the league, as they have yet to find any stability or success as a program and don't look like they will any time soon.

Actually Kimball lost to Patterson last year in the playoffs 40-7

 

[MOlST AND PLUMP]

Actually Kimball lost to Patterson last year in the playoffs 40-7

kimball shouldn’t of even been in that matchup due to injuries and not having a coach i wouldn’t consider that indicative of anything other than a one time deal

 

[colhenrylives]

with all do respect, the gabilan has no place in this discussion. they have multiple severely negative teams on cal preps. several other aggressively mediocre ones. and then a couple teams on top that are good but are nothing but absolute cannon fodder in the first round of the playoffs.

until they can find a way to convince ccs to let los gatos in the league they are second tier in a good year and c tier most other years.

Los Gatos? What about M-A?

 

[smramsfan]

kimball shouldn’t of even been in that matchup due to injuries and not having a coach i wouldn’t consider that indicative of anything other than a one time deal

No idea what you're talking about. There head coach was there (coach Graces) he did peace after the season but was there in the playoffs. Who was injured? I know tlsome Kimball people and respect the program and they will tell you Patterson was simply better last year.

 

[MOlST AND PLUMP]

No idea what you're talking about. There head coach was there (coach Graces) he did peace after the season but was there in the playoffs. Who was injured? I know tlsome Kimball people and respect the program and they will tell you Patterson was simply better last year.

the coach kimball had last year was already checked out by the time they got to playoffs there’s a reason he dipped immediately after the final whistle he already was gone they were missing multiple leaders and starters also. patterson was good last year don’t get me wrong that goes to my original point though they are not HISTORICALLY strong and only time will tell how long this little run of there’s (which has resulted in zero sectiont titles) will last.

simply put they are not a good fit for the valley oak league and do not raise the profile of the league. this is not meant as disrespect, as the coaches there are great guys who run a very good program and do right by there kids and community.

 

[MOlST AND PLUMP]

Los Gatos? What about M-A?

menlo and atherton are way too far away from the schools in the gabilan league. los gatos is actually geographically fees able.