Top 5 Leagues

[MOlST AND PLUMP]

here are the top 5 leagues in nor cal currently

1 tri river (central section - but champ always plays in nor cal play off)
2 west catholic
3 sierra foothill
4 east bay mountain
5 redwood empire upper division

honorable mention

6 tri city (sac joaquin)
7 diablo athletic upper division
8 valley oak

thoughts?

 

[FBAddict]

here are the top 5 leagues in nor cal currently

1 tri river (central section - but champ always plays in nor cal play off)
2 west catholic
3 sierra foothill
4 east bay mountain
5 redwood empire upper division

honorable mention

6 tri city (sac joaquin)
7 diablo athletic upper division
8 valley oak

thoughts?

Calpreps ratings doesn't agree... Additionally, there has been a fundamental shift for Sierra Foothill by adding two more schools to its league this year. More schools in a league will typically bring down the average strength for leagues - especially top leagues.

Calpreps ratings 2024 YTD
1. Tri River - 6 teams
2. East Bay - Mountain - 5 teams
3. West Catholic - 8 teams
4. Sierra Foothill - 8 teams
5. Redwood Empire - Adobe - 6 teams

By contrast, SS section's Trinity is significantly stronger with 6 teams. In fact, Trinity is the strongest league, by far, in the nation right now as rated by Calprpes. Tri-River shows up as # 19 in the nation.

 

[MOlST AND PLUMP]

Calpreps ratings doesn't agree... Additionally, there has been a fundamental shift for Sierra Foothill by adding two more schools to its league this year. More schools in a league will typically bring down the average strength for leagues - especially top leagues.

Calpreps ratings 2024 YTD
1. Tri River - 6 teams
2. East Bay - Mountain - 5 teams
3. West Catholic - 8 teams
4. Sierra Foothill - 8 teams
5. Redwood Empire - Adobe - 6 teams

By contrast, SS section's Trinity is significantly stronger with 6 teams. In fact, Trinity is the strongest league, by far, in the nation right now as rated by Calprpes. Tri-River shows up as # 19 in the nation.

trinity league has nothing to do with this discussion this is about the top leagues in nor cal.

to your main point though. even if you were to conveniently leave out davis and whitney to try and make sierra foothill look better, for this specific season tri river is still better. if they were to have a league vs league matchup look how it would go

folsom vs clovis east yes folsom wins but game is likely close

clovis north vs rockin clovis north wins

granite bay vs clovis is 50/50 toss up

central vs oak ridge central wins RUNNING CLOCK

buchanan vs jesuit buchanan wins RUNNING CLOCK

clovis west vs del oro clovis west wins RUNNING CLOCK


so even in that scenario it’s either 5-1 or 4-2 in favor of tri river with three of there wins in the running clock variety.

again this is only for this year almost any other year the story would be different including next year when sierra foothill bounces back from this down year

 

[FBAddict]

trinity league has nothing to do with this discussion this is about the top leagues in nor cal.

It is relevant in the sense that it adds perspective to the total landscape of leagues across the nation and California. It shows:
1. How far NorCal's best is below the best in CA and the nation's best.
2. The league team that the NorCal's best will match up with the best league team from SoCal in the eventual and inevitable SBG-Open game.

We really need to add this discussion because you included Tri-River in the mix that will likely only happen in RGB and SBG games.

 

[MOlST AND PLUMP]

It is relevant in the sense that it adds perspective to the total landscape of leagues across the nation and California. It shows:
1. How far NorCal's best is below the best in CA and the nation's best.
2. The league team that the NorCal's best will match up with the best league team from SoCal in the eventual and inevitable SBG-Open game.

We really need to add this discussion because you included Tri-River in the mix that will likely only happen in RGB and SBG games.

tri river is in the discussion because it is ostensibly a nor cal league. that is an apple to apple comparison.

 

[FBAddict]

You might want to reconsider the inclusion of Tri-River in the NorCal discussion.in that case.

A quick review shows that the majority of RBG games for the top position in the CS section did not come from the Tri-River league. And out of the 11 years we have had the RBG games, the CS section won only 1 years for the RBG top position, 2 wins if you count 1A division in the mix..

The CS top team has gone to SoCal three times. One of those years (2022) the CS team won SBG against an NorCal opponent, again in the lower 1A division.

Only two teams have represented the Tri-River league in NorCal RBG top division - Central-Fresno and Clovis North.

 

[MOlST AND PLUMP]

You might want to reconsider the inclusion of Tri-River in the NorCal discussion.in that case.

A quick review shows that the majority of RBG games for the top position in the CS section did not came from the Tri-River league. And out of the 11 years we have had the RBG games, the CS section won only 1 years for the RBG top position, 2 wins if you count 1A division in the mix..

The CS top team has gone to SoCal three times. One of those years (2022) the CS team won SBG against an NorCal opponent, again in the lower 1A division.

Only two teams have represented the Tri-River league in NorCal RBG top division - Central-Fresno and Clovis North.

your not quite interpreting things correctly. the way it goes is that when a team from tri river league qualifies for regionals they play in norcal. if bakers field team wins its 5050 which regional they play in. this year the central section champ will come from tri river league because bakers field is way down. their four the tri river champ will be in nor cal. their four tri river is ostensibly a de fact o nor cal league this year.

 

[FBAddict]

your not quite interpreting things correctly. the way it goes is that when a team from tri river league qualifies for regionals they play in norcal. if bakers field team wins its 5050 which regional they play in. this year the central section champ will come from tri river league because bakers field is way down. their four the tri river champ will be in nor cal. their four tri river is ostensibly a de fact o nor cal league this year.

I guess I wasn't clear enough - Tri-River teams have gone to SoCal too over the history of the RBG games - namely Clovis North.

 

[MOlST AND PLUMP]

I guess I wasn't clear enough - Tri-River teams have gone to SoCal too over the history of the RBG games - namely Clovis North.

even if true that is not/will not be the case this year. the tri river champ will be in nor cal permanently now

 

[kendawg21]

here are the top 5 leagues in nor cal currently

1 tri river (central section - but champ always plays in nor cal play off)
2 west catholic
3 sierra foothill
4 east bay mountain
5 redwood empire upper division

honorable mention

6 tri city (sac joaquin)
7 diablo athletic upper division
8 valley oak

thoughts?

Excluding the central section i like:

WCAL
SFL
East Bay Mountain
TCAL
VOL

HM:
Redwood empire upper division
Diablo athletic upper division

 

[MOlST AND PLUMP]

Excluding the central section i like:

WCAL
SFL
East Bay Mountain
TCAL
VOL

HM:
Redwood empire upper division
Diablo athletic upper division

the valley oak league got gutted this year and is mediocre now due to the re align mint that’s why it’s only honorable mention

 

[Streak One]

the valley oak league got gutted this year and is mediocre now due to the re align mint that’s why it’s only honorable mention

How did the VOL get gutted? Still have Central Catholic, Manteca, Oakdale and added Patterson. The league is down this year yes, but I don't think they got gutted in realignment.

 

[MOlST AND PLUMP]

How did the VOL get gutted? Still have Central Catholic, Manteca, Oakdale and added Patterson. The league is down this year yes, but I don't think they got gutted in realignment.

for me, in my imo tracy and kimball as a combo are MUCH better than patterson (on a good run right now but traditionally aren't that strong) and mountain house (has yet to put anything together). central and manteca carry the league on the top end for sure, but the bottom half of the league just isn't strong enough to make the vol a top caliber league right now. having kimball and tracy as the bottom middle tier of the league makes for a good league. the "other" manteca schools and mountain house not so much.

for me when i'm judging the strength of the league i really consider the 4th, 5th, 6th best teams in the league just not the top two. it's the same reason a league like the bay valley (ncs) league isn't on my list, the bottom of the league is too bad.

would have been much better to keep tracy or kimball in the league, add patterson, and get rid of one of the manteca schools. and keep out mountain house. that would have made for a stronger football league, though admittedly i did not take travel into consideration in this assessment.

just my two sense.

 

[Streak One]

for me, in my imo tracy and kimball as a combo are MUCH better than patterson (on a good run right now but traditionally aren't that strong) and mountain house (has yet to put anything together). central and manteca carry the league on the top end for sure, but the bottom half of the league just isn't strong enough to make the vol a top caliber league right now. having kimball and tracy as the bottom middle tier of the league makes for a good league. the "other" manteca schools and mountain house not so much.

for me when i'm judging the strength of the league i really consider the 4th, 5th, 6th best teams in the league just not the top two. it's the same reason a league like the bay valley (ncs) league isn't on my list, the bottom of the league is too bad.

would have been much better to keep tracy or kimball in the league, add patterson, and get rid of one of the manteca schools. and keep out mountain house. that would have made for a stronger football league, though admittedly i did not take travel into consideration in this assessment.

just my two sense.

Tracy hasn't been in the VOL in at least 20 years. Don't know about before that, but they have been in the TCAL for awhile

 

[MOlST AND PLUMP]

Tracy hasn't been in the VOL in at least 20 years. Don't know about before that, but they have been in the TCAL for awhile

correct. my mistake i should have clarified - they should have added tracy and kept kimball.

 

[kendawg21]

the valley oak league got gutted this year and is mediocre now due to the re align mint that’s why it’s only honorable mention

Central Catholic, Manteca, Oakdale and Patterson will be very hard outs in 4 different divisions though. Not many leagues have that type of depth

 

[kendawg21]

for me, in my imo tracy and kimball as a combo are MUCH better than patterson (on a good run right now but traditionally aren't that strong) and mountain house (has yet to put anything together). central and manteca carry the league on the top end for sure, but the bottom half of the league just isn't strong enough to make the vol a top caliber league right now. having kimball and tracy as the bottom middle tier of the league makes for a good league. the "other" manteca schools and mountain house not so much.

for me when i'm judging the strength of the league i really consider the 4th, 5th, 6th best teams in the league just not the top two. it's the same reason a league like the bay valley (ncs) league isn't on my list, the bottom of the league is too bad.

would have been much better to keep tracy or kimball in the league, add patterson, and get rid of one of the manteca schools. and keep out mountain house. that would have made for a stronger football league, though admittedly i did not take travel into consideration in this assessment.

just my two sense.

I get what you are saying. Too to bottom, the vol will have all but 2 teams make the playoffs., sierra and mountain house. That, for the most part, makes for a good league. And because of the success historically of the top teams puts vol up there for me. But I do agree with your take

 

[Rocknrolus 95361]

How many leagues have teams in D1,D2,D3 and D4? The only one I know of VOL. To say they aren't relevant?
And gutted? Sorry that is an ignorant statement. They lost Kimball, and replaced with Patterson? And that's gutted?

 

[MOlST AND PLUMP]

How many leagues have teams in D1,D2,D3 and D4? The only one I know of VOL. To say they aren't relevant?
And gutted? Sorry that is an ignorant statement. They lost Kimball, and replaced with Patterson? And that's gutted?

the last time kimball played against patterson kimball put up 60. and kimball has literally never lost to patterson.

and your ignoring the fact that mountain house got added to the league and they are going to be an anchor on the league, as they have yet to find any stability or success as a program and don't look like they will any time soon.

 

[Cal 14]

Excluding the central section i like:

WCAL
SFL
East Bay Mountain
TCAL
VOL

HM:
Redwood empire upper division
Diablo athletic upper division

The Diablo Foothill is not a great league/division. There are no really bad teams, but no really good teams, either.

Tri-City has St. Mary's, whose rating brings up the rest of the league, but there's not much behind the Rams. Edison has played 3 good teams, but they weren't really competitive against any of them. They very well may lose to Downey this weekend, too.

Windsor hasn't beaten anyone of consequence out of the Redwood Empire Adobe, nor has San Marin. We'll see what happens when they finally have to play Marin Catholic and Cardinal Newman.

PCAL-Gabilan is arguably better than Diablo-Foothill, with two teams at, or above, the level of Las Lomas.

 

[MOlST AND PLUMP]

The Diablo Foothill is not a great league/division. There are no really bad teams, but no really good teams, either.

Tri-City has St. Mary's, whose rating brings up the rest of the league, but there's not much behind the Rams. Edison has played 3 good teams, but they weren't really competitive against any of them. They very well may lose to Downey this weekend, too.

Windsor hasn't beaten anyone of consequence out of the Redwood Empire Adobe, nor has San Marin. We'll see what happens when they finally have to play Marin Catholic and Cardinal Newman.

PCAL-Gabilan is arguably better than Diablo-Foothill, with two teams at, or above, the level of Las Lomas.

with all do respect, the gabilan has no place in this discussion. they have multiple severely negative teams on cal preps. several other aggressively mediocre ones. and then a couple teams on top that are good but are nothing but absolute cannon fodder in the first round of the playoffs.

until they can find a way to convince ccs to let los gatos in the league they are second tier in a good year and c tier most other years.

 

[smramsfan]

the last time kimball played against patterson kimball put up 60. and kimball has literally never lost to patterson.

and your ignoring the fact that mountain house got added to the league and they are going to be an anchor on the league, as they have yet to find any stability or success as a program and don't look like they will any time soon.

Actually Kimball lost to Patterson last year in the playoffs 40-7

 

[MOlST AND PLUMP]

Actually Kimball lost to Patterson last year in the playoffs 40-7

kimball shouldn’t of even been in that matchup due to injuries and not having a coach i wouldn’t consider that indicative of anything other than a one time deal

 

[colhenrylives]

with all do respect, the gabilan has no place in this discussion. they have multiple severely negative teams on cal preps. several other aggressively mediocre ones. and then a couple teams on top that are good but are nothing but absolute cannon fodder in the first round of the playoffs.

until they can find a way to convince ccs to let los gatos in the league they are second tier in a good year and c tier most other years.

Los Gatos? What about M-A?

 

[smramsfan]

kimball shouldn’t of even been in that matchup due to injuries and not having a coach i wouldn’t consider that indicative of anything other than a one time deal

No idea what you're talking about. There head coach was there (coach Graces) he did peace after the season but was there in the playoffs. Who was injured? I know tlsome Kimball people and respect the program and they will tell you Patterson was simply better last year.

 

[MOlST AND PLUMP]

No idea what you're talking about. There head coach was there (coach Graces) he did peace after the season but was there in the playoffs. Who was injured? I know tlsome Kimball people and respect the program and they will tell you Patterson was simply better last year.

the coach kimball had last year was already checked out by the time they got to playoffs there’s a reason he dipped immediately after the final whistle he already was gone they were missing multiple leaders and starters also. patterson was good last year don’t get me wrong that goes to my original point though they are not HISTORICALLY strong and only time will tell how long this little run of there’s (which has resulted in zero sectiont titles) will last.

simply put they are not a good fit for the valley oak league and do not raise the profile of the league. this is not meant as disrespect, as the coaches there are great guys who run a very good program and do right by there kids and community.

 

[MOlST AND PLUMP]

Los Gatos? What about M-A?

menlo and atherton are way too far away from the schools in the gabilan league. los gatos is actually geographically fees able.

 

[Cal 14]

with all do respect, the gabilan has no place in this discussion. they have multiple severely negative teams on cal preps. several other aggressively mediocre ones. and then a couple teams on top that are good but are nothing but absolute cannon fodder in the first round of the playoffs.

until they can find a way to convince ccs to let los gatos in the league they are second tier in a good year and c tier most other years.

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Can't immediately tell whether you're trying to be a troll or an idiot... but, I'll bite.

It is true that the bottom two teams in the Gabilan have negative Calpreps ratings. You know who else has multiple teams like this? Tri-City... with three.

Gabilan has "aggressively mediocre" teams? Exactly what how would you describe pretty much the entire the DFAL-Foothill? You gave your example of how the Tri-River matches up so well against NorCal leagues... well:

Soquel (26.9) - Las Lomas (17.3)
Salinas (17.8) - Clayton Valley (11)
Palma (9.1) - Acalanes (9.9)
Monterey (5.9) - Campolindo (1.1)
Aptos (2) - Miramonte (-5.2)

Looks like the Gabilan matches up just fine.

Also noting that two Gab teams won state divisions last year and in the preseason, multiple posters (whom I respect a great deal more than yourself) listed this league as the #4 in NorCal. The preseason ratings were not kind (and traditionally aren't) to this league, but at the end of the year (when the preseason is mostly washed out), there are typically 2-3 teams rated in the 30s and 20s. Most of the rest end up in the single-digits or teens... exactly where most of the Tri-City and DFAL-F teams are.

 

[MOlST AND PLUMP]

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Can't immediately tell whether you're trying to be a troll or an idiot... but, I'll bite.

It is true that the bottom two teams in the Gabilan have negative Calpreps ratings. You know who else has multiple teams like this? Tri-City... with three.

Gabilan has "aggressively mediocre" teams? Exactly what how would you describe pretty much the entire the DFAL-Foothill? You gave your example of how the Tri-River matches up so well against NorCal leagues... well:

Soquel (26.9) - Las Lomas (17.3)
Salinas (17.8) - Clayton Valley (11)
Palma (9.1) - Acalanes (9.9)
Monterey (5.9) - Campolindo (1.1)
Aptos (2) - Miramonte (-5.2)

Looks like the Gabilan matches up just fine.

Also noting that two Gab teams won state divisions last year and in the preseason, multiple posters (whom I respect a great deal more than yourself) listed this league as the #4 in NorCal. The preseason ratings were not kind (and traditionally aren't) to this league, but at the end of the year (when the preseason is mostly washed out), there are typically 2-3 teams rated in the 30s and 20s. Most of the rest end up in the single-digits or teens... exactly where most of the Tri-City and DFAL-F teams are.

if what you said was true how come nobody in that league ever beats anyone north or south of monte ray county? and why do they try and cry there way into lower divisions for ccs playoffs instead of manning up and facing the peninsula league upper, the de anza, and the west catholic leagues real teams? they would rather have hollister face Carmel, act like the game has meaning, and “win” the divisions that aren’t even allowed to continue on to regional play.

they might exploit the calpreps algorithm by never playing out of there region but everyone knows the truth. put any of those teams against and see what happens.

this might be uncomfortable to hear but until the teams in monte ray county get serious about being competitive on a regional level there league will never be highly regarded.

again this the exact same reason nobody takes the highway 4 bay valley league in ncs seriously. they cried to keep out Clayton valley and invented the loser plays on in playoffs rule (literally invented by crybaby superintendent in brent wood) because they didn’t want to try and even fake being competitive.

beat someone outside your region of note and then the gabilan can get honorable mention. until then they remain mediocre

 

[Cal 14]

if what you said was true how come nobody in that league ever beats anyone north or south of monte ray county? and why do they try and cry there way into lower divisions for ccs playoffs instead of manning up and facing the peninsula league upper, the de anza, and the west catholic leagues real teams? they would rather have hollister face Carmel, act like the game has meaning, and “win” the divisions that aren’t even allowed to continue on to regional play.

they might exploit the calpreps algorithm by never playing out of there region but everyone knows the truth. put any of those teams against and see what happens.

this might be uncomfortable to hear but until the teams in monte ray county get serious about being competitive on a regional level there league will never be highly regarded.

again this the exact same reason nobody takes the highway 4 bay valley league in ncs seriously. they cried to keep out Clayton valley and invented the loser plays on in playoffs rule (literally invented by crybaby superintendent in brent wood) because they didn’t want to try and even fake being competitive.

beat someone outside your region of note and then the gabilan can get honorable mention. until then they remain mediocre

In the 2022 and 2023 seasons, Salinas split 2 games with each Clayton Valley and Clovis. They had a game scheduled against San Ramon Valley in 2020, but it was cancelled due to COVID19. They've now beaten Valley Christian 2 out of the last 3 years.

In 2021-2022, Aptos split a series against Campolindo. In 2021, the Mariners won 49-0 on the Cougars home field. They were also tied with St. Francis after 3 quarters in the CCS D-I playoffs.

What's the Tri-City record (sans St. Mary's) against WCAL teams? EBAL teams? In fact how many teams from this league beat any non-league opponents with ratings above 15 in 2022-2024?

Since you don't seem to do research very well, I'll answer it for you...

2 wins over >15.0 teams, with one ending up being a forfeit loss. In 3 seasons.

The Gab had 6 such wins just last season alone.

But, please go on about how strong the Tri-City is overall.

 

[MOlST AND PLUMP]

In the 2022 and 2023 seasons, Salinas split 2 games with each Clayton Valley and Clovis. They had a game scheduled against San Ramon Valley, but it was cancelled due to COVID19. They've now beaten Valley Christian 2 out of the last 3 years.

What's the Tri-City record (sans St. Mary's) against WCAL teams? EBAL teams? In fact how many teams from this league beat any non-league opponents with ratings above 15 in 2022-2024?

Since you don't seem to do research very well, I'll answer it for you...

2 wins over >15.0 teams, with one ending up being a forfeit loss. In 3 seasons.

But, please go on about how strong that league is overall.

i said the west catholic leagues real teams. valley christian is not in that category.

if you want to go with salinas as your example how about instead of talking about meaningless preseason games talk about the playoffs. here you go this is what it looks like:

47-7 cannon fodder
57-21 cannon fodder
35-31 cannon fodder
did not make playoffs
26-20 cannon fodder lost to OAK GROVE lol
45-27 cannon fodder (only made second round because they got to play a team from monterey in first round)

meanwhile if you want to compare against saint marys (your choice not mine):
17-6 lost in section championship in close game
51-50 lost in first round. literally BEAT DE LA SALLE this year.
51-48 lost in semifinals of a 12 team bracket
did not make playoffs but came within one score of ending dls norcal streak
28-21 loss
52-7 second round loss. cannon fodder

notice all of saint marys losses except one are in extremely close games, in LATER rounds of the playoffs or championship games. and they beat teams from outside their area code to get there.

also. salinas has to play serra, they duck to a lower division or get beat by 50 every time they can't. saint marys chooses to play de la salle and BEATS them or plays them close.

there is no comparison. again you picked these teams as representatives of there leagues not me. happy to break it down for you using different teams if you wish also to show why your league isn't on the list yet.

 

[Cal 14]

i said the west catholic leagues real teams. valley christian is not in that category.

if you want to go with salinas as your example how about instead of talking about meaningless preseason games talk about the playoffs. here you go this is what it looks like:

47-7 cannon fodder
57-21 cannon fodder
35-31 cannon fodder
did not make playoffs
26-20 cannon fodder lost to OAK GROVE lol
45-27 cannon fodder (only made second round because they got to play a team from monterey in first round)

meanwhile if you want to compare against saint marys (your choice not mine):
17-6 lost in section championship in close game
51-50 lost in first round. literally BEAT DE LA SALLE this year.
51-48 lost in semifinals of a 12 team bracket
did not make playoffs but came within one score of ending dls norcal streak
28-21 loss
52-7 second round loss. cannon fodder

notice all of saint marys losses except one are in extremely close games, in LATER rounds of the playoffs or championship games. and they beat teams from outside their area code to get there.

also. salinas has to play serra, they duck to a lower division or get beat by 50 every time they can't. saint marys chooses to play de la salle and BEATS them or plays them close.

there is no comparison. again you picked these teams as representatives of there leagues not me. happy to break it down for you using different teams if you wish also to show why your league isn't on the list yet.

I didn't go with Salinas as my main example, although any claims that they don't play teams outside of the CCS has been demonstrated to be blatantly false. Incidentally, they'll also be playing Arroyo Grande out of the Central Section later this year, making 3 intersection games this season.

Nor did I use St. Mary's. By the way, "sans" means without. Pick up a dictionary sometime. Yes. St. Mary's beat DLS. Great. But wasn't that a "meaningless" pre-league game?

The 6 wins against teams rated >15 came in the playoffs for the Gab last year. Those games were from 3 teams. Aside from St. Mary's (which was the point of me mentioning them, as it's clear that went way over your head), no one else from the Tri-City has done much of anything against anyone else of consequence, whether that be in pre-league or in the playoffs. One team does not make a great league.

Just admit you don't know what you're talking about instead of embarrassing yourself further.

 

[MOlST AND PLUMP]

I didn't go with Salinas as my main example, although any claims that they don't play teams outside of the CCS has been demonstrated to be blatantly false. Incidentally, they'll also be playing Arroyo Grande out of the Central Section later this year, making 3 intersection games this season.

Nor did I use St. Mary's. By the way, "sans" means without. Pick up a dictionary sometime. Yes. St. Mary's beat DLS. Great. But wasn't that a "meaningless" pre-league game?

The 6 wins against teams rated >15 came in the playoffs for the Gab last year. Those games were from 3 teams. Aside from St. Mary's (which was the point of me mentioning them, as it's clear that went way over your head), no one else from the Tri-City has done much of anything against anyone else of consequence, whether that be in pre-league or in the playoffs. One team does not make a great league.

Just admit you don't know what you're talking about instead of embarrassing yourself further.

those playoff "wins" your talk about literally prove my point. i call those "inbred wins" because there all the result of monte rey teams crying there way to a lower division and then using that to guarantee mostly playing against each other. the only team from outside monterey they beat was mitty, and as i already mentioned they are not one of the real teams in the west catholic league.

i mean seriously. lets look what happens when monte rey teams have to leave there zip code if you want to use the playoffs.

open division: salinas vs serra 47-7 cannon fodder
division 1: zero teams from that league because they won't play in it.

that's the end of the discussion right there.

gabilan teams do not play in the highest level of competition full stop. therefore that league cannot be considered among the best.

meanwhile tri city league now composes of teams who all play at the highest two divisions of competition in there section (only exception is kimball in the past but they are now division 2) and do not duck from competition.

until the gabilan agrees to compete at the division 1 level they are not one of the top leagues.

how can you claim that it is a top league but at the same time admit that they do not play in the highest divisions in a section that uses competitive equity?

make it make sense.

 

[MOlST AND PLUMP]

I didn't go with Salinas as my main example, although any claims that they don't play teams outside of the CCS has been demonstrated to be blatantly false. Incidentally, they'll also be playing Arroyo Grande out of the Central Section later this year, making 3 intersection games this season.

Nor did I use St. Mary's. By the way, "sans" means without. Pick up a dictionary sometime. Yes. St. Mary's beat DLS. Great. But wasn't that a "meaningless" pre-league game?

The 6 wins against teams rated >15 came in the playoffs for the Gab last year. Those games were from 3 teams. Aside from St. Mary's (which was the point of me mentioning them, as it's clear that went way over your head), no one else from the Tri-City has done much of anything against anyone else of consequence, whether that be in pre-league or in the playoffs. One team does not make a great league.

Just admit you don't know what you're talking about instead of embarrassing yourself further.

okay fine let’s do this weeks results.

saint mary’s: took de la salle TO THE ABSOLUTE LIMIT

salinas and the rest of the gabilan: stayed in monterey county and beat up on weaker local teams in lower divisions

but the gabilan is supposed to be a top caliber league. when all there teams compete in lower level playoff divisions in a section that uses competitive equity.

make it make sense.

 

[Rocknrolus 95361]

the last time kimball played against patterson kimball put up 60. and kimball has literally never lost to patterson.

and your ignoring the fact that mountain house got added to the league and they are going to be an anchor on the league, as they have yet to find any stability or success as a program and don't look like they will any time soon.

Where are they to put them? They out grew their leage. They are ACTUALLY a D3 team in a D3 league. Kimball was the only D3 team by enrollment. 3 of the top 10 most successful programs in section. The VOL has been tough league since I was in high school. In my day. Bronze Age. VOL had Tracy, St Mary's and Lincoln. VOL traditionally year in year out tough..
Oh and your prediction Sierra and Mountain House not making play offs? Sierra knocked off East Union.

 

[MOlST AND PLUMP]

Where are they to put them? They out grew their leage. They are ACTUALLY a D3 team in a D3 league. Kimball was the only D3 team by enrollment. 3 of the top 10 most successful programs in section. The VOL has been tough league since I was in high school. In my day. Bronze Age. VOL had Tracy, St Mary's and Lincoln. VOL traditionally year in year out tough..
Oh and your prediction Sierra and Mountain House not making play offs? Sierra knocked off East Union.

they should’ve of got put in a league with downey, escalon, and turlock and then some filler teams local to them. imagine how strong of a league that could be.

 

[Prepwisdom]

okay fine let’s do this weeks results.

saint mary’s: took de la salle TO THE ABSOLUTE LIMIT

salinas and the rest of the gabilan: stayed in monterey county and beat up on weaker local teams in lower divisions

but the gabilan is supposed to be a top caliber league. when all there teams compete in lower level playoff divisions in a section that uses competitive equity.

make it make sense.

Plumpy- FYI- Of course you can't use this weeks games as this week were all crossover games as mandated by the PCAL- of which the Gabilan is affiliated with.

 

[HSWIZARD73]

i said the west catholic leagues real teams. valley christian is not in that category.

if you want to go with salinas as your example how about instead of talking about meaningless preseason games talk about the playoffs. here you go this is what it looks like:

47-7 cannon fodder
57-21 cannon fodder
35-31 cannon fodder
did not make playoffs
26-20 cannon fodder lost to OAK GROVE lol
45-27 cannon fodder (only made second round because they got to play a team from monterey in first round)

meanwhile if you want to compare against saint marys (your choice not mine):
17-6 lost in section championship in close game
51-50 lost in first round. literally BEAT DE LA SALLE this year.
51-48 lost in semifinals of a 12 team bracket
did not make playoffs but came within one score of ending dls norcal streak
28-21 loss
52-7 second round loss. cannon fodder

notice all of saint marys losses except one are in extremely close games, in LATER rounds of the playoffs or championship games. and they beat teams from outside their area code to get there.

also. salinas has to play serra, they duck to a lower division or get beat by 50 every time they can't. saint marys chooses to play de la salle and BEATS them or plays them close.

there is no comparison. again you picked these teams as representatives of there leagues not me. happy to break it down for you using different teams if you wish also to show why your league isn't on the list yet.

You take a lot of shots at Valley. I am a WCAL alum so I back all of our schools. You do realize 2018 Valley was 2nd and 2019 Valley won the league. Sure they have struggled for sure. But don’t put them off like they have never been a real WCAL school.

 

[MOlST AND PLUMP]

You take a lot of shots at Valley. I am a WCAL alum so I back all of our schools. You do realize 2018 Valley was 2nd and 2019 Valley won the league. Sure they have struggled for sure. But don’t put them off like they have never been a real WCAL school.

i never said they have never been at the top of the league. i said they are not there now and i stand on business with that. 2018 was a lifetime ago in high school football terms.

 

[HSWIZARD73]

i never said they have never been at the top of the league. i said they are not there now and i stand on business with that. 2018 was a lifetime ago in high school football terms.

With Covid it really wasn’t. And the top leagues of the bay area are not going to have one school be the top team year in and out. The WCAL has an easy 5-6 schools that have state title banners or played in state title games. And also in multiple sports. Serra has been the big dog most years as of late. Riordan used to be abysmal at times. But they have built a program. And my school SH has struggles but even they have a WCAL title and won one of the bowl games. The league is so damn good that it has a history of parity. Unlike Folsom running the table in football for years now. Or DLS when schools at one time said kick them out the league. Or south of San Jose when Palma flat out dominated that area for years.