Why are is there NO THREAD about DLS getting pummeled on national TV!?

[ThunderRam]

DLS has thrived with its central East Bay location, lack of other private HS options in the area, and population growth, especially east of Concord. What’s the nearest Catholic HS? Salesian and St Pats? Down to Moreau? East to St Mary’s? Even the sparsely population North bay has 1 in Marin (plus San Domenico), 2 in Sonoma, and another in Napa and Solano!

While what you say is true, it’s still not easy to accomplish what DLS has accomplished.

Jesuit-Carmichael has been the only large school private in the Sac metro region since it’s inception. Gotta go all the way down to Stockton to find the next one.

While Jesuit has had some really good teams here and there, they’ve never dominated. Instead the Sac metro region continues to be dominated by publics.

There’s a lot more that goes into it.

 

[remc]

While what you say is true, it’s still not easy to accomplish what DLS has accomplished.

Jesuit-Carmichael has been the only large school private in the Sac metro region since it’s inception. Gotta go all the way down to Stockton to find the next one.

While Jesuit has had some really good teams here and there, they’ve never dominated. Instead the Sac metro region continues to be dominated by publics.

There’s a lot more that goes into it.

What about Christian Brothers?

 

[ankleassassin]

That’s common with all high school programs except for super teams like Mater Dei and SJB. The difference is most typical HS programs have 5 or 6 studly players that play both ways while DLS often has 10 or 12

it didnt happen at my high school. also delasalle is a super team. where you been? i think 20 straight titles allows u to be a super team.

 

[Bubba3000]

it didnt happen at my high school. also delasalle is a super team. where you been? i think 20 straight titles allows u to be a super team.

They may qualify as a super team up north but there are several down south that are better. Do we need to come up with a new name for Mater Dei, SJB, etc? Super duper teams?Join the real world true super teams are in the top ten in the nation and DLS ain’t sniffin that territory any longer. The number #19 team just got through smacking them around pretty good at Owen Owens. If DLS makes it to the state championship can you imagine what Mater Dei will do to them on a neutral field?

 

[ankleassassin]

They may qualify as a super team up north but there are several down south that are better. Do we need to come up with a new name for Mater Dei, SJB, etc? Super duper teams?Join the real world true super teams are in the top ten in the nation and DLS ain’t sniffin that territory any longer. The number #19 team just got through smacking them around pretty good at Owen Owens. If DLS makes it to the state championship can you imagine what Mater Dei will do to them on a neutral field?

de la salle surely thinks they are a super team though. as they should.

 

[Paloma]

I think De La Salle squeaks one out against Folsom. If Pittsburg ran the ball well against Folsom, I know De La Salle will. I do see the Folsom passing offense as very potent, but they also threw two interceptions against Pittsburg and I don’t see De La Salle wasting those extra opportunities.

That being said, I completely agree that this has the makings of a very dire scenario for the Spartans This season. I guess we will find out on Friday. Should be fun.

 

[ThunderRam]

What about Christian Brothers?

CBS isn’t a large school private. Total enrollment might be similar nowadays but it is co-ed.

 

[pastyfastquick3]

I think De La Salle squeaks one out against Folsom. If Pittsburg ran the ball well against Folsom, I know De La Salle will. I do see the Folsom passing offense as very potent, but they also threw two interceptions against Pittsburg and I don’t see De La Salle wasting those extra opportunities.

That being said, I completely agree that this has the makings of a very dire scenario for the Spartans This season. I guess we will find out on Friday. Should be fun.

I'm on the other end, where I think this is this is year Folsom talent wins out.

However- I honestly think Folsom will struggle to stop the DLS run attack. The only thing in Folsom’s favor is the DLS QB is really no threat to throw over 5 yards, so Folsom can stack it up front. Even with that, they will struggle to defend the run. I think this is the biggest hurdle they face.

I wouldnt be surprised to see either team win. I'm hoping for an epic contest.

 

[remc]

CBS isn’t a large school private. Total enrollment might be similar nowadays but it is co-ed.

Didn't know that, wow. So Jesuit is the only all boys now. Well the coed change explains CBs football decline

 

[pastyfastquick3]

Didn't know that, wow. So Jesuit is the only all boys now. Well the coed change explains CBs football decline

CBs and Capital Christian are pretty good programs. But they are tiny.

 

[larry legend33]

Didn't know that, wow. So Jesuit is the only all boys now. Well the coed change explains CBs football decline

Has CB ever been really great at any sport? They’ve had good players and years but I can’t recall them ever dominant in hoops, football, or baseball. (Probably strong at d3 level)
But I don’t think coed has anything to do with it. Newman went coed like 10 years ago and is still a power at the medium -small school level.

 

[Streak One]

I'm on the other end, where I think this is this is year Folsom talent wins out.

However- I honestly think Folsom will struggle to stop the DLS run attack. The only thing in Folsom’s favor is the DLS QB is really no threat to throw over 5 yards, so Folsom can stack it up front. Even with that, they will struggle to defend the run. I think this is the biggest hurdle they face.

I wouldnt be surprised to see either team win. I'm hoping for an epic contest.

Starting to inch back on the prediction

I agree that this is a one possession game either way. Probably comes down to how much Folsom can force DLS into long down and distance plays (winning on early downs) and if DLS can create turnovers (that was key in the 2018 game).

 

[remc]

Has CB ever been really great at any sport? They’ve had good players and years but I can’t recall them ever dominant in hoops, football, or baseball. (Probably strong at d3 level)
But I don’t think coed has anything to do with it. Newman went coed like 10 years ago and is still a power at the medium -small school level.

Well, it cuts down on the male student enrollment in most cases. From there, it depends on the emphasis placed on specific sports. Newman has always been a football school, irregardless of enrollment as far as I know. I remember Christian Brothers having some good, competitive teams years ago, but never the consistency of a Newman.Speaking personally, I know that most of the Christian Brothers schools that were all boys are coed now(In NorCal anyway). My alma mater, an East Bay Christian Brothers school went coed around 20 years ago. Was an all boys enrollment of 425-450. Coed? Around 300 boys now. That's a significant loss for football programs that size. There's one Christian Brothers school that didn't go coed. That's DeLaSalle. Of course, they've got Carondelet across the driveway. And they're no longer around 425-450. They're around 1,000 boys now

 

[pastyfastquick3]

Starting to inch back on the prediction

I agree that this is a one possession game either way. Probably comes down to how much Folsom can force DLS into long down and distance plays (winning on early downs) and if DLS can create turnovers (that was key in the 2018 game).

A lot of my predictions are tounge and cheek if you know what I mean.

I think it would be foolish to make an outlandish claim that either team is going to win in a blowout. You have two top flight teams going at it in NorCal, something we don't get a ton of. Public vs private which is always intriguing. You have the ultimate contrast on offenses going head to head. How could you not like it!?

You know who I think will win and I'm sticking to that. However, I would never count out DLS being able to run the ball 60 plus times for 8 and 9 yards a carry and keep the ball away from Folsom. Anything can happen.

Hoping for a great game. The atmosphere should be electric.

 

[remc]

Well, it cuts down on the male student enrollment in most cases. From there, it depends on the emphasis placed on specific sports. Newman has always been a football school, irregardless of enrollment as far as I know. I remember Christian Brothers having some good, competitive teams years ago, but never the consistency of a Newman.Speaking personally, I know that most of the Christian Brothers schools that were all boys are coed now(In NorCal anyway). My alma mater, an East Bay Christian Brothers school went coed around 20 years ago. Was an all boys enrollment of 425-450. Coed? Around 300 boys now. That's a significant loss for football programs that size. There's one Christian Brothers school that didn't go coed. That's DeLaSalle. Of course, they've got Carondelet across the driveway. And they're no longer around 425-450. They're around 1,000 boys now

A lot of my predictions are tounge and cheek if you know what I mean.

I think it would be foolish to make an outlandish claim that either team is going to win in a blowout. You have two top flight teams going at it in NorCal, something we don't get a ton of. Public vs private which is always intriguing. You have the ultimate contrast on offenses going head to head. How could you not like it!?

You know who I think will win and I'm sticking to that. However, I would never count out DLS being able to run the ball 60 plus times for 8 and 9 yards a carry and keep the ball away from Folsom. Anything can happen.

Hoping for a great game. The atmosphere should be electric.

Public vs Private powers is intriguing. Open enrollment public can be pretty close to private as far as talent acquisition is concerned.Boundary publics are more public vs private IMO. Not a knock on open enrollment publics. But the OPs aren't at the talent disadvantage that BPs are.Should be a fun game.Can't wait to see the board reactions afterward. That'll be even more fun than the game

 

[pastyfastquick3]

Public vs Private powers is intriguing. Open enrollment public can be pretty close to private as far as talent acquisition is concerned.Boundary publics are more public vs private IMO. Not a knock on open enrollment publics. But the OPs aren't at the talent disadvantage that BPs are.Should be a fun game.Can't wait to see the board reactions afterward. That'll be even more fun than the game

Open enrollment is all about context.

Folsom isn't true Open enrollment. It is in theory but the school has to have room for the student (both Folsom schools at max capacity). You still have to meet a bunch of requirements.

A good way to explain this is- "why would people be transferring to Folsom and having to move the entire family within the boundary to play there if they could just enroll under Open enrollment policy?"

Hope that makes sense.

 

[WWHS44]

Open enrollment is all about context.

Folsom isn't true Open enrollment. It is in theory but the school has to have room for the student (both Folsom schools at max capacity). You still have to meet a bunch of requirements.

A good way to explain this is- "why would people be transferring to Folsom and having to move the entire family within the boundary to play there if they could just enroll under Open enrollment policy?"

Hope that makes sense.

do they really move??? I know several players who attended and played at Folsom yet did not move in the bounderies.....noone wants to say it but it is happens......next thing is prove it.....not into outing kids...

 

[pastyfastquick3]

do they really move??? I know several players who attended and played at Folsom yet did not move in the bounderies.....noone wants to say it but it is happens......next thing is prove it.....not into outing kids...

You HAVE to move within the boundary in order to transfer. AND it has to be a full family bona-fide move. This has to be approved by the CIF or they cannot play.

If you know of any violations I suggest you report them to the CIF office immediately.

 

[NCS707]

You HAVE to move within the boundary in order to transfer. AND it has to be a full family bona-fide move. This has to be approved by the CIF or they cannot play.

If you know of any violations I suggest you report them to the CIF office immediately.

Or you can come in as a Freshman

 

[pastyfastquick3]

Or you can come in as a Freshman

Technically you could apply.

But both schools in Folsom have been at max capacity capacity quite some time so it's a long shot at best. Vista and Folsom can barely accommodate the residents of Folsom let alone anyone else. It was so bad at Vista at one point, they were telling parents who lived near the school that they may need to find a different school for their kid. The parking is so bad there because of the number of kids, certain people can't park there. It's insane.

 

[NCS707]

Technically you could apply.

But both schools in Folsom have been at max capacity capacity quite some time so it's a long shot at best. Vista and Folsom can barely accommodate the residents of Folsom let alone anyone else. It was so bad at Vista at one point, they were telling parents who lived near the school that they may need to find a different school for their kid. The parking is so bad there because of the number of kids, certain people can't park there. It's insane.

Makes sense with all that building and people moved from the Bay Area and other parts of Sac. If you come in as a Frosh and their is room for you there is no CIF SJS penalty, at least I have never heard of such an occurrence.

 

[pastyfastquick3]

Makes sense with all that building and people moved from the Bay Area and other parts of Sac. If you come in as a Frosh and their is room for you there is no CIF SJS penalty, at least I have never heard of such an occurrence.

True- IF they have room for you. Priority goes to incoming freshman within the boundaries. They cannot even accommodate all of them into the projected coming years.

Open enrollment is a big misnomer when it comes to Folsom. Most people just see the success and say "oh well, see they have open enrollment, it's equivalent to a private school!" That could not be farther from the truth. A few of the big time headline players they have gotten into the program were not from open enrollment. They're families moved to Folsom on CIF approved full family moves. The Ngata's attended since freshman, all 3 kids.

 

[ThunderRam]

do they really move??? I know several players who attended and played at Folsom yet did not move in the bounderies.....noone wants to say it but it is happens......next thing is prove it.....not into outing kids...

This is truth.

One of the kids I coached in youth enrolled at Folsom as a freshman all while living in Placer County. He never made a physical move. I know of at least one other Placer County kid that did the same.

The benefit of an open enrollment school district.

 

[ThunderRam]

Open enrollment public can be pretty close to private as far as talent acquisition is concerned.Boundary publics are more public vs private IMO. Not a knock on open enrollment publics. But the OPs aren't at the talent disadvantage that BPs are.

This is also true.

When I went to HS and played the San Juan Unified School District was an OPEN enrollment district. I believe it still is. But all the schools within are aging and in areas where it isn't booming with new kids.

Folsom has been in a unique situation where the school was re-built brand new in an area where new housing and population skyrocketed. When the program started to become highly successful circa 2010, the benefit of OPEN enrollment really began to kick in which is when we started to see the out-of-area kids begin to flow in.

Before that, most of Folsom's best players had come up through their youth system. That doesn't seem to happen to the same degree anymore.

But in Folsom's defense, similar things have occurred elsewhere and even w/o open enrollment.

For years and years Del Oro used to attract student-athletes from all over due to their on-field success. While not an open enrollment district, they offered programs such as agriculture that other schools did not and parents could get their kid into the school on that basis. I believe an address change was also required, but we all know how that generally works.

Back in the day Cordova also took advantage of open enrollment (same district as Folsom) and the nearby Air Force Base to lure student-athletes from all over the State/Country. That's among the reasons why they dominated for 20 years.

Like all things, there's a shelf life. Especially for a public program. Cordova and Nevada Union both faded and now Grant Union has too. Eventually the same will happen to Folsom as population and demographic changes occur over time.

Remember, Folsom HS has been around for nearly 100 years. For most of that time it was a tiny little school. Up through the late 90's until being re-born again circa 1998.

Things changed then and they will again.

 

[CaliforniaFan24]

Again, here are comments taken from Page 1 of the Scores thread. It basically hits on your points 1, 2 and 3 in similar ways. Should people forward you comments to make sure they are the right tone of negative?

Up 14-7, St Frances looking very confident. DLS struggling to defend the pass or move the ball offensively

Impressed with SFA QB. Hard to believe he is a soph. DLS is in trouble

Yep, he's making St Frances impossible for DLS to defend. Great arm. Getting easy short and medium throws

Sparty way overmatched. The Folsom psycho may be right about next week.

SFA talent wise is just another level then DLS

I'm going to repeat what I've said because I don't think you are comprehending. DLS' losses are notable. Folsom is very good. Folsom should be No. 1 (IMO). The game on Friday will be very compettive (probably be placed in slots 1-3 on my pick'em sheet for this week). But saying people weren't being critical or the game hasn't been broken down is just wrong. Being intentionally misinformed isn't a funny act. Its annoying and stupid.

And SFA talent also another talent level than Folsom. I actually think if you combined Folsom and DLS teams they could not beat SFA.

 

[NCS707]

This is also true.

When I went to HS and played the San Juan Unified School District was an OPEN enrollment district. I believe it still is. But all the schools within are aging and in areas where it isn't booming with new kids.

Folsom has been in a unique situation where the school was re-built brand new in an area where new housing and population skyrocketed. When the program started to become highly successful circa 2010, the benefit of OPEN enrollment really began to kick in which is when we started to see the out-of-area kids begin to flow in.

Before that, most of Folsom's best players had come up through their youth system. That doesn't seem to happen to the same degree anymore.

But in Folsom's defense, similar things have occurred elsewhere and even w/o open enrollment.

For years and years Del Oro used to attract student-athletes from all over due to their on-field success. While not an open enrollment district, they offered programs such as agriculture that other schools did not and parents could get their kid into the school on that basis. I believe an address change was also required, but we all know how that generally works.

Back in the day Cordova also took advantage of open enrollment (same district as Folsom) and the nearby Air Force Base to lure student-athletes from all over the State/Country. That's among the reasons why they dominated for 20 years.

Like all things, there's a shelf life. Especially for a public program. Cordova and Nevada Union both faded and now Grant Union has too. Eventually the same will happen to Folsom as population and demographic changes occur over time.

Remember, Folsom HS has been around for nearly 100 years. For most of that time it was a tiny little school. Up through the late 90's until being re-born again circa 1998.

Things changed then and they will again.

I looked into and you’re absolutely correct. Over times places change, in general CA has been a state booming in population growth, especially youth, but the trend has reversed and we are aging, this will accelerate and finally hit the still booming areas soon, as it has already hit the Bay Area hard.

Folsom absolutely exploded in the 90s and 00s and 10s. The school didn’t even have 1000 students until 1992.
(https://www.schooldigger.com/go/CA/schools/1389001570/school.aspx )
Look what happened in SF, Daly City, and SSF, for a dramatic drop, among many other places. As you stated not long ago even in the Sac area Grant and NU seemed unstoppable! A little further back it was Cordova.

 

[larry legend33]

do they really move??? I know several players who attended and played at Folsom yet did not move in the bounderies.....noone wants to say it but it is happens......next thing is prove it.....not into outing kids...

The current TE doesn’t live in Folsom.

 

[pastyfastquick3]

The current TE doesn’t live in Folsom.

DLSs entire team doesn't live in Concord (98 percent don't)

Bosco's entire team doesn't live in Bellflower

Oak Ridge's team has kids from Folsom

I think in 2021 it's sort of a mute point. Especially in CA

The whole "that kid doesn't live next to the school!" troll argument is really silly now.

 

[TurtleLoveCA]

The outcome of last nights game was not a surprise. They have a college team who plays a national schedule. Totally different level than. DLS.

Nonsense. Totally false. Do your homework.

 

[TurtleLoveCA]

I have never been a BIG DeLa FB, But I have always respected Greatness. The loss or beat down as prescribe was bad. But doesn’t tell us where all other program in the Bay Area, NorCal or even CA stand.

Because DeLa FB is the GOLD STANDARD in the competitive posting of any other program in the listed areas stated earlier.

The fact DeLa was highlighted on National TV brought and has brung recognition to the Bay Area for more years than most of us can count. So one can asked for some HATE of Shade to be thrown.

But before one post is going to be written, that poster is going to ask themselves how would there program perform against the same onslaught DeLa faced and become MUTE….

I may not be right….but I know I am not wrong.🏈🤙👏

BRUNG???

 

[Rmbr26]

SO ONE CAN ASKED???

It can only be attributed to "Miller Time" after a long day....

E-Z duz it TurtleLoveCA .... JK!

 

[Truthhertz]

That’s common with all high school programs except for super teams like Mater Dei and SJB. The difference is most typical HS programs have 5 or 6 studly players that play both ways while DLS often has 10 or 12

So which is it are they common or stacked? Because stacked teams who have a wealth of talent don’t have players playing both ways as noted. DLS is simply a very well run program from a area of the state that hasn’t had a ton of well run or well coached programs. So yes they feasted on area teams, and drew talent. But make no mistake they take average kids and make them very good and very good and make them special, other programs don’t. Your failure to recognize this is disturbing in that you try to explain away their success by implying it’s simply because they are ”stacked” yet refuse to acknowledge the lack of development in other area programs. But I know I know your son held his own against them………..

 

[pastyfastquick3]

Calpreps says Folsom wins 38-28

I have Folsom 34-30.

 

[Bubba3000]

So which is it are they common or stacked? Because stacked teams who have a wealth of talent don’t have players playing both ways as noted. DLS is simply a very well run program from a area of the state that hasn’t had a ton of well run or well coached programs. So yes they feasted on area teams, and drew talent. But make no mistake they take average kids and make them very good and very good and make them special, other programs don’t. Your failure to recognize this is disturbing in that you try to explain away their success by implying it’s simply because they are ”stacked” yet refuse to acknowledge the lack of development in other area programs. But I know I know your son held his own against them………..

Yes he did, thanks for acknowledging.......

 

[HSWIZARD73]

You hit the nail on the head. Many don’t understand that from football to basketball to all other sports they have got everything possible out of many athletes who would have been average at many other high schools. One story I always share is one summer the head coach of our JV had a scheduling conflict and me being his assistant had to head that day. The tourney was at De La Salle for a few days and they put us in a locker room next to the football field. While taking the team down this path their was a garbage can full of 2nd place trophy’s as they had played in a summer tourney at Jesuit and didn’t win it all. They never accepted finishing anywhere except in first. How some of their basketball teams made it to state finals and pretty deep in the nor cal playoffs was amazing. But they had kids buy in and play their individual roles and when it comes to football everybody has a job and they took average kids to play their role very well. And some ended up moving on to playing further after high school. Sure they had a Aaron Taylor, DJ Williams, a few others. But it was the role players who bought in that was the real success and led to a success that any high school may never repeat unless of course they are stacked with 10 D1 plus athletes year after year

 

[WWHS44]

DLSs entire team doesn't live in Concord (98 percent don't)

Bosco's entire team doesn't live in Bellflower

Oak Ridge's team has kids from Folsom

I think in 2021 it's sort of a mute point. Especially in CA

The whole "that kid doesn't live next to the school!" troll argument is really silly now.

It would be just like you to make an ignorant statement like that.....trying to compare a public by private rules.....
try again....DLS, Bosco, MD are allowed to recruit and have out of district players.....PUBLICS CAN'T!

 

[colhenrylives]

Let's clarify: Private/parochial schools adhere to no such thing as a "district." The word is not in their vocabulary. Their enrollment net stretches far and wide. There are no limits, other than sheer freeway driving distance. Geography has no bearing on their pull. They have no boundaries whatsoever. Check the rosters of WCAL teams. At least half of them are regional all-star units.

 

[pastyfastquick3]

It would be just like you to make an ignorant statement like that.....trying to compare a public by private rules.....
try again....DLS, Bosco, MD are allowed to recruit and have out of district players.....PUBLICS CAN'T!

I'm just glad you admitted this.

 

[NCS707]

It would be just like you to make an ignorant statement like that.....trying to compare a public by private rules.....
try again....DLS, Bosco, MD are allowed to recruit and have out of district players.....PUBLICS CAN'T!

Yes they draw from a large population, DLS is especially blessed with it's central East Bay location. DLS usually does not get high profile transfers after Freshman year though, if anything they lose transfers as they students age. MD, SJB, Servite all get Jr & Sr 2-5* athletes coming in every year.


As far as I know, like most/all public school districts in CA have open enrollment in a few ways, especially for incoming Freshman. Folsom is clearly taking athletes from Cordova and VDL HS, the demographics of the football team do not match the neighborhood but more of the Cordova area. Also you can live in another school district, say in El Dorado Hills, and as long as there is room, the schools are big but still growing, you may come in and play athletics without restriction.

 

[CaliforniaFan24]

I guess there was no thread on DLS getting pummeled, just like there was no real thread 8-9 years ago when DLS beat Folsom by what, 60-70 points two years in a row.