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I think JoeMix did an excellent job of responding to this. I to am a fan of the schedule Oakdale puts together, because they do challenge themselves by scheduling teams like Folsom where they are not the favorite to win. Especially having CC and Manteca in their league, games like that definitely will help Oakdale down the line and I am actually good with Folsom and Oakdale playing and am not suggesting they replace Oakdale with a stronger team, but Oakdale, in my opinion was the strongest team they scheduled and when looking at Folsoms schedule, they are not challenging themselves if they are the favorite in all their preseason games. I'm not suggesting they challenge themselves in every game and the Oakdale game is definitely a good game for them and if they had scheduled up in the other games, there probably wouldn't be a peep on this board about those 2 playing each other.
2014 is perfect example. Folsom was on an upswing with their program from 2011 thru 2014 and to not be able to find a single challenging game in their pre-season that year seems alittle ridiculous.
Oakdale has always had my respect because of the program they run and the way they schedule. As a fan I enjoy seeing a good team challenge themselves and Oakdale def does this, but not so much Folsom.
Small correction, Folsom was actually D2 just a few years ago and when they were D2, it was the toughest division to win in SJS.
you're the best team in every game you don't have to play
Maybe I misunderstood, but I thought JoeMix was referring to the Divison Folsom has played in with regards to SJS divisions. Also I'm well aware they were D2 champs in 10 and that was the year they actually played probably a top 5 SoCal team. When they won D1 in 14 the CIF had already waterdowned the bowl games and so Folsom ended up playing a SoCal team that might have barley cracked the top 15 in SoCal. Was very disappointed on who they got for an opponent, but that's the way it is now since SoCal puts all their top teams in the same section. I enjoyed when Cent10 was always in the bowl game along with another top SoCal team. Hats off to Palo Alto for shutting Cen10 up that year as they felt they should had been the open rep, but clearly they had their hands full with lowly old Paly lol
As I said before, I have nothing but love and respect for TFB. When he posted it's all about the kids I was on his team regardless of the back and forth name calling. Anyone that states they're for the kids "first" gets my blood going in the right direction. 
Folsom doesn't control that. If you don't like it, then petition the CIF and start the process and have it changed.
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Are you serious with this post? No one has said anything about their state bowl opponents, as everyone is fully aware that is completely out of their control and I clearly stated this when I talked about the 14 Folsom team in another post, but they do have some control over their pre-season schedule and that is what everyone on hear has been complaining about. I still have yet to hear a single rational reason as to why Folsom doesn't challenge themselves in the pre-season other than maybe this just happens to be their scheduling philosophy. It's just hard as a fan to see such a powerhouse team not go out and play another powerhouse team.
Reno? I haven't resorted to Reno since my broke college days. Vegas it is! lolI'm a Reno type of guy. I like the casino's that prey on the poor folks. I figure the casino has to let one broke person come home with some money. I leave Vegas to you big shots that can afford $100 tables.
Key word- "some"
How do you know they don't try to schedule certain teams? Do you know the details? Source. The internet allows people to just post opinion and assumptions not based on facts. I like to deals in facts, not assumptions, assertions, and wants. How many open weeks do CA power programs have on their schedule? 1? Zero? AND they have to match up with the same free date weeks?
Sounds too easy to me. People are just LINING up to play us!
Anyone that states they're for the kids "first" gets my blood going in the right direction.
One could make an argument that scheduling a higher quality opponent would be more about the kids than not. I think some Folsom kids get overlooked because they play with so many other good players. Its hard to see their skills until you see them against really good competition. As an athlete, I'd want that opportunity.
The SFL is statistically the best league in ALL of Northern California. I think that gets lost along the way. People throw that out the door because it doesn't fit the agenda or the narrative. They always focus on the 2 or 3 other games like Folsom can magically make DLS, CC, and Mater Dei appear on all 3 non-league games. And if it doesn't happen, Folsom is ducking the entire state.
And to add to all this, every week it's, "Folsom isn't that good, they are going to get upset this week!" This week it's GB. The week before it was Sac High. Believe it or not, people were picking Jesuit to win the second game of the season. When people read this, they will say, "well not that many people picked the upset!" If Folsom was THAT GOOD, nobody would be picking these wild upsets and then backtracking during halftime lol. Everyone stands up and says one thing then when it doesn't happen, all the, "they don't schedule good enough!" mongers come out.
You can't have it both ways.
I couldn't agree with you more. I've always been the type of guy in life or on the field of play that wanted to take on the best you got. That's been in my blood from day one. So yes, in my opinion scheduling higher risk competition is in the best interest of the kids. That's what they normally want. That said, I believe TFB was referring to something totally different in regards to "kids first". And I agreed with him 100% on that post.
You've done a great job outlining the truth yourself. I know you frequent Prep's National board quite often, so you're probably well aware of this but preseason scheduling has always been the big knock on Folsom over there. Very few take them seriously, especially Sammy . While the Folsom coaches and players couldn't care less, it shines a light on the unbiased view of those far outside this area.
As for Oakdale, I too commend the willingness to challenge themselves. Sutter from the Northern Section has done the same in recent years too. Maybe not a program as large and dominant as Folsom, but they still have tried to find opponents to measure themselves against. And nobody from the SJS has done that more than Del Oro while Casey Taylor was there.
Show me where I've spoke as an expert as to Folsoms circumstances on who they try to schedule vs. who they actually get a game with. I too like only facts, which is exactly why I chose my wording carefully. Hence the word "Some" control over their pre-season schedule. I realize lining up games is not always so easy, but than I can ask the same question to you. Do you know who they have tried to schedule? Even though I don't know their circumstances, I do know alittle bit about what goes into lining up games and as already mentioned, there are plenty of decent programs out there that can and have scheduled games that will pose a challenge to the program. Ex: Pitt plays Cen10. That game does nothing for Cen10, but does volumes for the Pitt program.Key word- "some"
How do you know they don't try to schedule certain teams? Do you know the details? Source. The internet allows people to just post opinion and assumptions not based on facts. I like to deals in facts, not assumptions, assertions, and wants. How many open weeks do CA power programs have on their schedule? 1? Zero? AND they have to match up with the same free date weeks?
Sounds too easy to me. People are just LINING up to play us!
As mentioned Del Oro traditionally always schedules top teams and not just one game either. Tell me when the last time Del Oro was the favorite to win a game between them and Folsom? In other words its not like Del Oro is a more highly regarded program and teams are lining up to play them. Pretty sure those same top teams would gladly except a game with Folsom.
So why do you constantly defend Folsoms schedule when common sense would say they don't place a lot of emphasis on scheduling games that pose a challenge to the program? I personally have never said they "Duck" or avoid challenging games, I did however suggest that they just don't worry about that sort of thing and maybe playing challenging games goes against their pre-season scheduling philosophy.
I don't necessarily agree with this ideology, but sometimes their is a philosophy of scheduling lower level competition to keep the team healthy for league play, which is always the priority since the goal is to win league and goto playoffs. Not knowing Folsoms philosophy or circumstances, I don't have facts to draw a conclusion as to why their pre-season typically is against inferior opponents, but it's easy to conclude in general that scheduling competitive pre-season games is not their priority.
Are you saying that every public school in CA is "inferior?" That's a pretty bold statement since the only suggestions for who they should schedule are from Socal. I defend their schedule because they have one of the toughest schedules overall due to playing in the statistically best league in NorCal and top 3 in the state. They've played some of the top teams in the entire section already. But since this doesn't include a Socal school, it's considered weak. Maybe the rest of the section and NorCal in the public sector need to step up?
I do have fact for whom they've tried to schedule. I don't like to put it out publicly because this would cause some false assumptions on certain sides for either declining or opting for a possible future game.
I wouldn't worry too much. They still have to make it out of the toughest section to even make it to state. IF they make it that far, they're going to end up playing someone from Socal anyways. If you want the CIF to change their rules in regards to how Socal does it or how NorCal selects the open candidate, then lobby to have it changed.
We play who is in front of us. We do a damn good job.
Every program has 'circumstances'. The compelling factor is that these other programs seem to find a way to overcome those circumstances and make something happen. They may not get a game with every program they want, but there are more than enough options out there to make a game happen with someone.
If St. John Bosco and Mater Dei are answering the phone for St. Mary's, there's no doubt they'd do the same for Folsom. If Folsom doesn't want to get their head kicked in against a top 25 National team as St. Mary's did, they could go the same route Sacramento, Del Oro, Grant Union and Granite Bay did with the likes of JSerra, Oaks Christian, Westlake, POLY, Notre Dame, etc. Or go out of State with respected and vetted programs such as Chandler, Moutain Pointe or Saguaro from AZ or East, Bingham or Alta from Utah. There are a ton of options out there.
Scheduling 2 of those games, one against the PAC-5 and one against an OOS opponent, would be phenomenal and really put Folsom on the State and National map if they win.
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You sound like a sec fan lol Folsom has the athletes no other team in sfl has which is a big reason they haven’t lost to a sfl team in years...2018
Where do these ideas come from? do you even read my post? I mean you quoted my words, so clearly I called their pre-season opponents "inferior" and this is fact. Never said anything about public school's in CA. That is something you have in your head.
Don't confuse me with some other poster who has said to schedule SoCals best. I have only said in other post that Folsom has not played SoCals best except for their 2010 bowl game. I believe Serra was a top 5 SoCal school that year.
I have made general suggestions that Folsom step up their schedule, which the opponents can come can from anywhere, OOS, SoCal, other top NorCal schools. Plenty of other teams do this year after year. I have only said would like to see Folsom step up their schedule in pre-season. STOP READING INTO MY POST AS THOUGH IT GOES BEYOND THIS.
Lol this coming from the poster who is adamant about Folsom having no real athletes.
Never said Folsom didn’t have athletes but I did say folsoms athletes aren’t from Folsom and that sac high had the athletes to play anc beat Folsom which was evident if you watched them play...and I never had a problem with Folsom “recruiting” it only crazy when you’re the only one that’s blind to it..but I believe you know cause your eyes work and it’s probsckh why you feel threatened by ct moves to cc
DLS athletes aren't from Concord. Most power programs have players that weren't born in the city limits. Kids go where they will be seen by recruiters and have success.
With all that said- a huge majority of our players are from Folsom. We pride ourselves in that. Come see the junior bulldogs program for yourself. It's fun.
And who wouldn't want to come here!? Have you been to a game on a Friday night? Most of you haven't. A few have. You can have a great time with great food and not get peppered sprayed!
Another reason is Granite Bay hasn't been the same since Ernie Cooper stepped down as the head of the program and Del Oro hasn't fielded a really good team in a while. Yes, they've won section and a State game but that team was 2-6 at one point. They were merely a good team that overachieved and got hot at the right time. But they weren't as talented as some of their 2000's teams. Hopefully those two can regain form and pose a legit challenge soon. The SFL will be better for it.
This I agree with you 100%. I would add kids will go to schools where there is a winning tradition in which Folsom falls in that category big time. I've also notice kids will also go to schools where they have ties to the coaching staff and players even when their in another school zone.
When kids are attracted to private schools for these reasons, everyone cheers. When kids strive to go to a local public, everyone loses their mind and cries of foul play. Go figure.
When you comepare a private to public -_- a lot of the recruiting starts in the youth just because a players plays in the youth program doesn’t mean they are Folsom I have a nephew that plays in a league that’s 30 mins away from where he lives just because it’s well organized. You like to paint this narrative Of Folsom just being next level but the reality of this new Folsom is that they get good athletes from other schools if you actually watch this years version of Folsom it’s even more obvious
Nothing new here. All power teams across the state have kids that could or should have gone to other schools.
Would love to see a pre-season game against a perennial power from the WCAL. As im sure you've seen a number of the CCS guys dispute with the SJS guys as to whose got the better league when talking about the WCAL and SFL. The CS every year has some really good teams as well and loved the year Folsom played CVC from the NCS. CVC usually is pretty good team most years.
Now I realize that any given year is a gamble as you can try to schedule a perennial power and happen to strike a deal on a down year, but you won't see any complaints from me if they did schedule a perennial power on good year or down year as it's hard to know how any team will be on a given year. There are many good options out there and would love to see some of those games happen.
I agree but if you think coaches don’t influence kids too then you’re crazy especially if the athletes is on a losing team
Those are all private schools. Apples to oranges comparison but this year is not a good one. No team in the WCAL could beat Folsom. The WCAL is down and their best team would get rolled. They're league is also rated quite a bit below the SFL per Calpreps. I was thinking you'd suggest a public school.
Maybe other years the WCAL teams would be a good schedule but not this year. That would end up like the Jesuit game.
Lol naw we will have things figured out by next year...it won’t be long before you use us to prove the strength of the sfl
Most years WCAL is a tough league, this year not so much. I don't separate private vs public, when taking about programs. Their are plenty of lousy private schools and plenty of awesome public school's that rank up there with the best privates. Also I mentioned the CS, usually their top schools are public and now since the change is considered NorCal for CIF bowl games. I would count any game from that section as a NorCal game.
I here ya. But the SFL does not have the best athletes in terms of depth...not even close. I think Folsom gets athletes which the rest of the SFL has a hard time replicating. Then Folsom coaches them well. But the athleticism of the average Folsom skill group is vastly superior to all of the other teams in the SFL. So, I think the natural next step is to set the sights on teams from the Bay and Southern Cal and perhaps Sacramento that have similar depth in terms of pure athleticism. That would be a major challenge. It would be very enjoyable to see. And, I think Folsom would fair well.
