colhenrylives said:

That may have been valid early in the season. Not so much now. Riordan's overall D, including line play, has shown marked improvement lately. Hence its two excellent wins over Serra and St. Francis.

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The Crusaders held the Lancer’s Kingston to < 100 yards.

EN_FB_Alum said:

The way the SJS does continued success, there will always be a weak Div 1. No team above D1 can move down into the bracket when lower divisions get bumped up like in the lower divisions. The lower divisions will have teams being bumped down as well as teams getting bumped up due to continued success.

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I think you are saying that if you are a large school, you are locked into D1, even if you suck year after year; because of enrollment. So that dilutes the D1 pool. is that right?

cuz actually, the way they set it up this year, you can't play 2 above your league division. so all of the sjaa (D3 league) large schools were locked into D2. You have Central Valley HS, a D1 size, in a D4 league, locked into D3.

so, in another small nod to competitive equity, when they realigned this year, competitive equity was a factor... at least to try to get historically noncompetitive athletic schools into similar lower division leagues.

but you are right, your league division is the first criteria.. so large schools in D1 or D2 leagues can't go lower than D1. So a school like Davis at the 3rd biggest school, in a D1 league, and a crappy football team, is stuck.

H.E.A.T. said:

Just curious why you for years have been praising , anointing Salesian when they have had loaded teams for years and after 12 years they finally one their first open Game

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Nah, your wrong. Great program, great coaching, and they get most out of their kids. They rarely have anybody who is even close to a 4 star player. Been a good decade + since Jabari Bird. Don't look in the rear view mirror. There program is on the rise and will continue to be. Go Pride.

ChewpaMiverga said:

Tough shit. I don’t care if this was Rincon’s bright idea, administration should have never been asleep at the wheel like they were and that begins with the Principal. You’ve allowed your coaches to sell kids the idea that EC is a great school with a great football program. So now sell them on the same things plus a 3 year ban.

Plus, if you believe this started with out-of-district transfers you’re mistaken. I can assure you this started with the school robbing the 5 other district high schools of their talent. Those schools are a combined 13-32 going into week 11, you don’t believe for a second that every school in the district organically gets dogshit talent but somehow El Cerrito can only lose to a program with a Disney movie, right?

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So let's be clear, they didnt rob other schools in district of their talent I can tell you what I know and that is alot these kids are recruiting kids ½ with all these camps they all know each other and the players from EC are telling kids from other programs how great of a program EC is, that you can win ,play good teams like De La Salle and have a chance at a scholarship. Kids are attracted to that. Just a few years ago when coach Alameda was at Pinole every player in the district flocked to Pinole and when Carter was at Berkeley high everybody flocked to Berkeley High. The adults screwed up trying to get around the transfer rules.Punish the adults not the kids who were legit.

Remember transfers whether in district or out of district aren't illegal as long as you follow the protocol which apparently EC wasn't doing in some cases recently. And it got past the principal.They admitted it and will pay the price 1 year ban 2 year probation in my opinion fair considering a first offense.

iamgearyblvd said:

Im sure you are old enough to remember when SH/SI/Riordan when they would put out their seasonal program and the athletes listed on the far right column would list their Middle School. SI you would have a ton of kids proudly from St. Cecilias, St. Annes, St. Brendans. SH would have a lot of kids from St. Annes, St. Gabriels, Star of the Sea. Riordan it would be from St. Emydius, Mission Dolores....

NO MORE! They dont even give that info because they know more than half the athletes are not from SF schools. Kinda embarassing but it is what it is.

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Yes. Different times. Add Epiphany, St.Michael’s, All Hallows, St. Paul Shipwreck, St. Finn Barr, Corpus Christi

larry legend33 said:

Thanks for posting. I like to omit the preps to getting a better look at rankings.
Top 5 CA
Roosevelt
SJB
HWL
St. Joes
Notre Dame
Salesian knocking on the door. Although I would say they are right in that mix.

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Just curious why you for years have been praising , anointing Salesian when they have had loaded teams for years and after 12 years they finally one their first open Game

rwccaptain42 said:

Do the parents hold some responsibility? But ya can’t punish an absent or head in the sand mom /dad unfortunately

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Let's be real. People knew. My nephew his senior year sat out first game
He wanted to graduate early. So he transferred to Beyer in Modesto. His junior year.¹Didn't do sports. He had in Oakdale his first 2 years. Played football. His friends talked him into coming back
Telling him they could win section. So he did. But he was not cleared right aawal. But he was no longer running back. He then played Bandit on defense. And they won section ! Only lose was to Cardenal Newman. Bottom line some knew! Merzon knew how to put players in right spot.

ArmchairGOAT said:

Riordan also borders the Ingleside/Lakeview/Excelsior/Sunnyside areas. IYKYK. Do you know what $1.5M gets you in SF? The school's population is made up of 75% minorities - compared to SHC and SI averaging at 45%. Almost 50% of the students are on Financial Aid. Acceptance rate is 50%. The avg acceptance rate at a private school is 75% As stated earlier, many of the kids who move on to college are the first in their families to do so. Riordan is also the only school of the 3 that offers a learning difference program to address moderate learning disabilties, spectrum disorders, ADHD/ADD, etc.

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Im sure you are old enough to remember when SH/SI/Riordan when they would put out their seasonal program and the athletes listed on the far right column would list their Middle School. SI you would have a ton of kids proudly from St. Cecilias, St. Annes, St. Brendans. SH would have a lot of kids from St. Annes, St. Gabriels, Star of the Sea. Riordan it would be from St. Emydius, Mission Dolores....

NO MORE! They dont even give that info because they know more than half the athletes are not from SF schools. Kinda embarassing but it is what it is.

Do the parents hold some responsibility? But ya can’t punish an absent or head in the sand mom /dad unfortunately

THEOC89 said:

Sure, this happens all the time….. My Point is this….

D1 should be the best of the best…. The #2 Seed in D1 is Ranked #7 in the SJS and The #3 seed in D1 is ranked #9 in the SJS….

Yet the #2 Ranked team in the SJS and #3 Ranked team in the SJS are both in D2…. This is just flat out stupid and is the SJS Gaming the system so Folsom doesn’t eliminate the #2 or #3 team in the SJS…..

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Calpreps is sometimes a little misleading to look at when you just examine the section ratings. You also have to look at the projection ratings, and take into account whether it's for playoffs or for the regular season. Unfortunately, all of that requires you to visit a different page and either input teams or search a large list. To sum up, Oak Ridge is not the 7th team in the SJS. They are either evenly matched or favored to beat everyone above them except Folsom.

It's complicated, and I'm not sure I fully understand it well enough to explain it further.

If you input teams into this link (project a match-up), you will get an example of what I'm talking about:

scvalfan said:

Asking this question sincerely....What makes Riordan an "inner-city" school? From my perspective, it is a private, prep school, with tuition that starts at $26,000 and probably runs to even more with additional fees, etc. It also sits adjacent to the Westwood Park neighborhood with houses that at the low end, run at $1.5 million. I would think in terms of geography, SHC would be considered "inner-city". And socio-economically that Mission or Marshall fit that designation?

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Riordan also borders the Ingleside/Lakeview/Excelsior/Sunnyside areas. IYKYK. Do you know what $1.5M gets you in SF? The school's population is made up of 75% minorities - compared to SHC and SI averaging at 45%. Almost 50% of the students are on Financial Aid. Acceptance rate is 50%. The avg acceptance rate at a private school is 75% As stated earlier, many of the kids who move on to college are the first in their families to do so. Riordan is also the only school of the 3 that offers a learning difference program to address moderate learning disabilties, spectrum disorders, ADHD/ADD, etc.

Thanks for posting. I like to omit the preps to getting a better look at rankings.
Top 5 CA
Roosevelt
SJB
HWL
St. Joes
Notre Dame
Salesian knocking on the door. Although I would say they are right in that mix.

ArmchairGOAT said:

@LWinslow1973, that a pretty condescending statement. As an inner city school, Riordan offers an AP path, college prep and HS curriculums. Its RSP program is a pioneer in NorCal and recognized as one of the best and addresses kids with learning disabilities. Also, the kids that Riordan has sent off to 4 year schools are kids of color- many the first in their familes to go to college - including the Ivy league and military academies - West Point and Air Force.

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Asking this question sincerely....What makes Riordan an "inner-city" school? From my perspective, it is a private, prep school, with tuition that starts at $26,000 and probably runs to even more with additional fees, etc. It also sits adjacent to the Westwood Park neighborhood with houses that at the low end, run at $1.5 million. I would think in terms of geography, SHC would be considered "inner-city". And socio-economically that Mission or Marshall fit that designation?

remc said:

Then I guess the AD shares some of that responsibility also. As far as the Principal, it would depend on when they knew about it

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In this case Rincon is both the AD and Football coach so maybe he should no longer be athletic director and just the football coach if they decide to keep him around.

Secondly my understanding is that transfers after the coach and AD approve the transfer papers they go to the principal for approval before the paperwork is sent to NCS/CIF for final approval.

Coach was suspended the 3rd game of the season so I assume that's when it was discovered.

De Anza forfeited EC's final game so they had an intrasquad scrimmage Friday night and Coach Rincon was back with the team coaching on the sideline don't know if that meant he would be allowed back or if that was them allowing him a last moment with his players.

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The way the SJS does continued success, there will always be a weak Div 1. No team above D1 can move down into the bracket when lower divisions get bumped up like in the lower divisions. The lower divisions will have teams being bumped down as well as teams getting bumped up due to continued success.

Thanks ... just need one more team to fill it out.

Thanks again Streak for all you do with the Pick Ems. While I didnt defend my title very well, I was glad to finish in the top 10!

Congrats to FBAddict on the win!!

THEOC89 said:

I really like the 1st round games in D1…. Soquel vs Riordan and Los Gatos vs Serra, public’s vs privates…. Could be a couple of really good games!….

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Agree. Both publics are worthy of their Open/D1 status.

FBAddict said:

Thanks for the info... Although not the end-all indicator of future years' success, historically these type of stats are important factors for future success.

This data suggests we will continue to see SF and JS dominance, VC and SI filling the upper middle level, AR in flux, with AM, BCP and SHC toward the bottom. There will be plenty of variables to consider before next season, such as percentage of returning varsity players, transfers in & out, existing players quitting and existing students playing next year that didn't play this year. And there is a step up in physical maturity changes being drastic for some players and only some for other players between 16 years old and 18 years old.

Here is my far too early WCAL rankings for next year:
#1 JS (or SF)
#2 SF (or JS)
#3 VC (or SI/AR)
#4 SI (or VC/AR)
#5 AR (or VC/SI)
#6 AM
#7 SHC (or BCP)
#8 BCP (or SHC) We should see a definite up tick for BCP but maybe not enough to push out of the bottom three.

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Niklas227 said:

I couldn’t tell by their play that Riordan had a former NFL NT as a D-Line coach. 😏

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That may have been valid early in the season. Not so much now. Riordan's overall D, including line play, has shown marked improvement lately. Hence its two excellent wins over Serra and St. Francis.

10) Christian Brothers
9) Patterson
8) Liberty
7) Windsor
6) Enterprise
5) Los Gatos
4) Central Catholic (27-21)
3) Christopher
2) Soquel
1) Cardinal Newman

ChewpaMiverga said:

You do realize that Riordan has a former NFL NT coaching their D-Line too, right?

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I couldn’t tell by their play that Riordan had a former NFL NT as a D-Line coach. 😏

Streak One said:

Open/D1 - https://cifccs.org/Playoffs/results/24-25/Football_Open-D1_2024.pdf

Division II - https://cifccs.org/Playoffs/results/24-25/Football_D2_2024.pdf

Division III - https://cifccs.org/Playoffs/results/24-25/Football_D3_2024.pdf

Division IV - https://cifccs.org/Playoffs/results/24-25/Football_D4_2024.pdf

Division V - https://cifccs.org/Playoffs/results/24-25/Football_D5_2024.pdf

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I really like the 1st round games in D1…. Soquel vs Riordan and Los Gatos vs Serra, public’s vs privates…. Could be a couple of really good games!….