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What division are CN and Marin Catholic in NCS for the playoffs this season?

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I haven't read deep enough - will the NCS committee be able to use their equity system to move teams to a lower division than their slated division according to enrollment? If indeed if they have to populate Open/D1 slots with only D1 schools and special Open teams, you may be right. But if a weaker D1 team can be slated as a D2 team, it makes the Open division work better. If indeed CN is moved from D6 to Open, it seems you have a slot to fill from divisions above D6 - therefore you have chain reaction of slots to fill from above..
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Good question. That didn’t do it last year, but both MC & CN are better this season. We’ll have to wait & see next weekend.
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What division are CN and Marin Catholic in NCS for the playoffs this season?

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So is Cardinal Newman going to “throw” the game against Vintage? San Marin “throwing” the game against Rancho?

NCS playoff system has major flaws if losing is rewarded. I’m sorry. It’s actually beneficial to be 2nd or 3rd in your league and get “lucky” in a lower division and win. No one cares about what division bracket you made it to. They (players/parents/fans) care about winning playoff games. Division be dammed.
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observer22 said:
I don’t think it’s as easy as just picking the top 8 teams, although a real open division should be just that. Since it’s also the D1 bracket, D1 teams having good seasons like Cal & Liberty would be shut out of the postseason altogether if they aren’t put in that bracket. Same with AV & Heritage. Unless the committee would actually move them down to D2, which is not a good idea. CVC will be 6-4 after they get pummeled by DLS this week, but they should still be in the D1 field as they will have qualified for the playoffs and should be competitive.

Schools like MC, CN & San Marin can be put in a lower bracket (not D6!). In basketball, there is still a D1 bracket below the Open, but the current NCS system has them combined.
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I haven't read deep enough - will the NCS committee be able to use their equity system to move teams to a lower division than their slated division according to enrollment? If indeed if they have to populate Open/D1 slots with only D1 schools and special Open teams, you may be right. But if a weaker D1 team can be slated as a D2 team, it makes the Open division work better. If indeed CN is moved from D6 to Open, it seems you have a slot to fill from divisions above D6 - therefore you have chain reaction of slots to fill from above..
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What division are CN and Marin Catholic in NCS for the playoffs this season?

observer22
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I wanted to wait until the standard ranking services had finished their rankings after this weekend's games. All services still have both MC and CN high in the rankings for NCS section.

The consensus is this ranking order:
DLS
Pitts
SRV
MC
CN

Some of the other ranking don't go deep enough to see other teams in the NCS rankings. Only Maxpreps and On3 go deeper. Of those services, these teams are next on the list:
El Cerritos (probably not able to qualify)
California
San Marin
Liberty (Brentwood)
Clayton Valley
Amador Valley

CalHiSports does list an additional 20 bubble teams below the state top 50. Cardinal Newman fell into that bubble list and no other team, aside from El Cerritos, is from the NCS section.

I think for CN to securely avoid Open, they need to bite another bullet with a lose to Vintage. And MC could have a challenging game with Windsor.

If somehow CN and MC can be placed in another lower division, they will cut through the other teams of that lower division like a hot knife through butter. It would only be in regionals that either team, as winners, would be properly placed according to their equity level.
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I don’t think it’s as easy as just picking the top 8 teams, although a real open division should be just that. Since it’s also the D1 bracket, D1 teams having good seasons like Cal & Liberty would be shut out of the postseason altogether if they aren’t put in that bracket. Same with AV & Heritage. Unless the committee would actually move them down to D2, which is not a good idea. CVC will be 6-4 after they get pummeled by DLS this week, but they should still be in the D1 field as they will have qualified for the playoffs and should be competitive.

Schools like MC, CN, Acalanes & San Marin can be put in a lower bracket (not D6!). D2 schools DLS & SRV clearly belong in the Open/D1 bracket. In basketball, there is still a D1 bracket below the Open, but the current NCS system has them combined. For every MC or CN that is brought up, a CVC or Heritage is either excluded from the playoffs or put down into D2?
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I wanted to wait until the standard ranking services had finished their rankings after this weekend's games. All services still have both MC and CN high in the rankings for NCS section.

The consensus is this ranking order:
DLS
Pitts
SRV
MC
CN

Some of the other ranking don't go deep enough to see other teams in the NCS rankings. Only Maxpreps and On3 go deeper. Of those services, these teams are next on the list:
El Cerritos (probably not able to qualify)
California
San Marin
Liberty (Brentwood)
Clayton Valley
Amador Valley

CalHiSports does list an additional 20 bubble teams below the state top 50. Cardinal Newman fell into that bubble list and no other team, aside from El Cerritos, is from the NCS section.

I think for CN to securely avoid Open, they need to bite another bullet with a lose to Vintage. And MC could have a challenging game with Windsor.

If somehow CN and MC can be placed in another lower division, they will cut through the other teams of that lower division like a hot knife through butter. It would only be in regionals that either team, as winners, would be properly placed according to their equity level.
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NCP Football Top 20: Riordan back in the Top 20

Streak One
1. De La Salle (9-0)

Derrick Blanche and Dominic Kelley each had two touchdown runs and more than 100 yards as the Spartans added another impressive win with a 48-10 victory over California. Next up is Clayton Valley Charter to end the regular season.

2. Folsom (9-1)

Ryder Lyons connected with Jameson Powell for 132 yards and three touchdowns as part of another five touchdown pass effort in Folsom’s 48-10 win over Granite Bay. Carter Jackson rushed for more than 100 yards, Lua DaBerry had a team high three tackles for loss and Jason Hill Jr. added an interception. The Bulldogs are the top seed in the SJS Division I playoffs and will have a first round bye this week.

3. Pittsburg (8-1)

The Pirates got their third shutout in four BVAL games as they beat Deer Valley 76-0. They had five non-offensive touchdowns in the win. Pittsburg will end the regular season against Antioch in a long standing regular season rivalry.

4. San Ramon Valley (8-1)

The Wolves had a rare late season bye and will finish the regular season this Friday against crosstown foe Monte Vista. They have wins over St. Ignatius, Soquel, McClymonds, Amador Valley and California.

5. St. Francis-Mountain View (8-1)

It was about the big plays for the Lancers in a 35-17 win at Valley Christian. Aaron Knapp threw four touchdowns including a 93 yard score from Grant Righellis, a 75 yard score to Kingston Keanaaina and a 50 yard score to Perrion Williams. Keanaaina also had a 98 yard kickoff return for a touchdown. St. Francis will look to capture an outright WCAL title on Saturday at Riordan.

6. St. Ignatius (7-2)

Jarious Hogan had a WCAL record six touchdowns (five rushes, one receiving) in a 45-28 win over Sacred Heart Cathedral in the Bruce-Mahoney Game. The Wildcats led 31-28 in the fourth quarter before ending the game with back-to-back touchdowns. Next up, St. Ignatius will host Mitty.

7. St. Mary’s-Stockton (8-2)

The Rams made the big jump in the rankings after three teams in the Top 10 lost this past week. In their 35-7 win over Lincoln-Stockton, Diego Hernandez rushed for 140 yards and three touchdowns and Osani Gayles caught his sixth touchdown of the season. The Rams were given the No. 2 seed in the SJS Division II playoffs behind Rocklin and will have a first round bye.

8. Grant (7-3)

Luke Alexander went 14-for-14 for 219 yards and four touchdowns and Brandon Lambert had more than 100 total yards and two touchdowns in a 55-0 win over Cordova. Grant was given the No. 3 seed in the SJS Division II playoffs and has a first round bye this week.

9. Oak Ridge (6-4)

Jasen Womack had a rushing touchdown, Isaac Pierce had a receiving touchdown and the Trojans forced two turnovers in a 17-6 win at Rocklin to jump into the Top 10 and receive the No. 2 seed in the SJS Division I playoffs. Womack had one of those turnovers with an interception and two tackles for loss.

10. Rocklin (8-2)

Rocklin was held to 215 total yards in falling to Oak Ridge 17-6. Mikey Cunningham has the lone touchdown for the Thunder, which also got 14 tackles from Derek Keeley. Rocklin is the top seed in the SJS Division II playoffs and will face the winner of Kimball-Oak Ridge.

11. Los Gatos (7-2)

Scotty Brennan threw two touchdown passes to Beau Musser, but Los Gatos suffered their first league loss to Wilcox (19-14). The Wildcats stayed ahead of Wilcox in part to early season wins over Soquel and Liberty. This week, they travel to Palo Alto.

12. Soquel (7-2)

Sam Whelan threw for three touchdowns and Tyreis Lundy rushed for 213 yards and a score as part of Soquel’s most impressive win of the season in a 34-14 win over Salinas. The Knights, which have won seven in a row, will host Aptos as they try to clinch an outright league title.

13. Marin Catholic (7-2)

The Wildcats rode an outstanding defensive performance to beat Cardinal Newman 13-3 for their seventh straight win. Caedon Afsharipour tossed touchdown passes to Branden Johnson and Jude Baker. Marin Catholic travels to Windsor this week.

14. Manteca (9-1)

Nikko Juarez rushed for 168 yards and two touchdowns as Manteca clinched its first outright league title since 2013 with a 36-24 win over Oakdale, according to the Manteca Bulletin. Manteca trailed 17-14 in the third quarter before scoring three straight touchdowns. Manteca is the No. 4 seed in the SJS Division II playoffs and has a first round bye this week.

15. Riordan (5-4)

Michael Mitchell threw for three touchdowns and Jeremiah Jones rushed for more than 100 yards and a score in a 27-21 win over Serra to snap an eight game losing streak to the Padres. Riordan ends the regular season by hosting St. Francis, which is the lone undefeated squad in the SFL.

16. Serra (4-5)

Serra got more than 150 total yards and two touchdowns from Nano Latu, but fell to Riordan 27-21. In three league losses, the Padres have lost by a combined 13 points. Serra will host Valley Christian this week as it looks to end the regular season at .500.

17. Cardinal Newman (8-1)

The Cardinals tallied 146 total yards and were held without a touchdown in a 13-3 loss to Marin Catholic to snap an eight game winning streak. Jamari Gentry had 18 carries for 107 yards and added an interception on defense.

18. Salinas (7-2)

The Cowboys got 122 passing yards and a touchdown from Rico Maturino, but fell to Soquel 34-14 for their first league loss since 2022. The Cowboys have scored 14 points in each of their losses. Salinas will travel to Hollister this week in the regular season finale.

19. Valley Christian-San Jose (5-4)

The Warriors got the scoring going with a touchdown pass from Rome Leota-Pritchard to Lasavion Carr, but couldn’t keep up with St. Francis in a 35-17 loss. It was a season high in points allowed by the Warriors. They end the regular season this week against Serra.

20. Wilcox (7-2)

The Chargers have won five in a row after knocking off Los Gatos 19-14. Brayden Rosa rushed for 128 yards and three touchdowns as part of a team wide 256 rushing yard effort. Santino Barragan had a team high 11 tackles. Wilcox will host Menlo-Atherton this week.
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NorCal Preseason HS basketball rankings- my top 10

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olumann said:
24/25 Season my top10 players in alphabetical order to watch1
  • Alec Blair- De La Salle
  • Alvin Loving- Salesian
  • Andrew Hilman- Riordan
  • Anthony Moore- Lincoln
  • Elias Obenyah – Salesian
  • Elijah Perryman- Clayton
  • Gavin Sykes- Modesto
  • Jalen Stokes – DV
  • Jasir Rencher – Riordan
  • Semetri Carr – Redwood
Top 10 Teams to Watch
  • De La Salle
  • Riordan
  • Salesian
  • Modesto
  • Dougherty Valley
  • Lincoln Stockton
  • Mitty
  • San Ramon
  • Oakland Tech
  • Inderkum
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Salesians “glue” guy is Carlton Perrilliat. Having a good season on the gridiron at WR for the Pride. Potential Top 10 player as well this season.
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What division are CN and Marin Catholic in NCS for the playoffs this season?

Cal 14
bella123 said:
There is a governing board for the state, CIF. That is all that is needed. There is no need for “sections” with their own commissioner’s and own sets of rules. How about one level playing field for all. There is no consistency in the state.

How about one governing body? Transfer rules all applied the same. Discipline consistent across the stare. Playoffs, none of this double elimination keep playing when you lose in this section, but in this other section you lose and your season is over. That is terrible.

As someone who did work in government, I understand the idea of bloated redundancy and job security aspect, lol. Seriously there is one section that has 6 teams and they have their own commissioner, are you kidding me?
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Given how large the state is, if you were to consider something like this like a big company, you'd still have to have at least 6 'field offices': Far North, Bay Area, Upper Sac-Joaquin, Lower Sac-Joaquin, Greater Los Angeles, and San Diego. These would have to operate very much like the sections, although the CIF could push uniformity in the rules. I don't think you could eliminate the regions altogether.
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There is a governing board for the state, CIF. That is all that is needed. There is no need for “sections” with their own commissioner’s and own sets of rules. How about one level playing field for all. There is no consistency in the state.

How about one governing body? Transfer rules all applied the same. Discipline consistent across the stare. Playoffs, none of this double elimination keep playing when you lose in this section, but in this other section you lose and your season is over. That is terrible.

As someone who did work in government, I understand the idea of bloated redundancy and job security aspect, lol. Seriously there is one section that has 6 teams and they have their own commissioner, are you kidding me?
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bella123 said:
I personally know several coaches who can’t stand the NCS and have mentioned it several times.
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Coaches are not the schools.

The Central Section put up a rule change to vote that would require teams to move up from the current 30% win percentage in order to participate in the playoffs. The schools said "Nah, keep it at 30."
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FBAddict said:
Okay, gotcha... Sound like we are saying the same thing. In my mind, it is better stated that instead of no sections (or section that govern themselves), we have CIF organized sections. I believe this idea would lead to a true playoff system based on a criteria that is the same for all sections and divisions so that, at playoff season, we don't have a reorganized set of divisions.
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Yes, we already have schools moving from one league to another due to travel concerns. I couldn't imagine their displeasure having to travel cross-state for a regular playoff game (granted, in some areas that already does happen).

Tough to compare what happens in Indiana and Kentucky with California, which has nearly twice the number of football teams than those states combined.
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What division are CN and Marin Catholic in NCS for the playoffs this season?

observer22
FBAddict said:
Okay, gotcha... Sound like we are saying the same thing. In my mind, it is better stated that instead of no sections (or section that govern themselves), we have CIF organized sections. I believe this idea would lead to a true playoff system based on a criteria that is the same for all sections and divisions so that, at playoff season, we don't have a reorganized set of divisions.
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And we wouldn’t have entire sections comprised of just 6 schools, while others have more than 100.
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larry legend33 said:
REMC,
Yes I think demographics have changed that much and the risk/fear of concussions has hurt football at the youth/hs age group over the past decade. I think long term you will see super leagues and more teams dropping football. Or the rules will drastically be different and its less "physical" which is already happening. Quite frankly there are a number of schools that should drop football as it stands. Sad indeed but that's the reality.

The east bay "whites" and "blacks" have moved up to Folsom, Elk Grove, Sacramento, El Dorado hills over the past 10-15 years. The new east bay is Indian and Chinese. They don't play football.
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You stole my thunder. I was going to say that lots of people from India and China have become the majority around here in the silicon valley over the last decade or so. At my kids school they are becoming the majority and football is just not their sport of choice. I can see lots of schools dropping football or at least not support it like they have in the past.
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kiddman32 said:
What I mean is most states don't have sections that govern themselves, sometimes differently than other sections.

In most states I know, the "sections" are simply geographical separations used for playoff pairings so that you don't have teams criss-crossing the state to play tourney games.
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Okay, gotcha... Sound like we are saying the same thing. In my mind, it is better stated that instead of no sections (or section that govern themselves), we have CIF organized sections. I believe this idea would lead to a true playoff system based on a criteria that is the same for all sections and divisions so that, at playoff season, we don't have a reorganized set of divisions.
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