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Folsom Rule?

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It should be noted that when it came to a vote, all 10 CIF sections voted to eliminate the Open regional games.

While there remains three top divisions in NorCal that could conceivably lay claim to having the NorCal Open rep, there rarely has been much question as to who that should be anyway, particularly in recent years where the top teams have been facing off in non-league action.

In the south, however, the Southern Section laid any question about the SoCal Open rep moot by its restructuring of its playoffs. The SS D-I champ is the king of the region (and lately the state overall) with no real challenges from any other regional section.

Despite some whimpering from some fans who can't just let it go (or have vendettas against Folsom), there is no real possibility of a Open regional game returning due to the SoCal structure and the fact that you can't have different rules for the two regions. Several teams/sections from both NorCal and SoCal have benefited from this rule change.
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Folsom Rule?

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Supposedly, Folsom complained some years that they couldn't get past DLS in the playoffs and lobbied for a rule change that might give them the chance to get to a state bowl without having to beat DLS in the NorCal playoffs.

This is heavily disputed, especially by Folsom fans. But there were changes made. IMHO, it was more about having more top NorCal teams get to State Bowls than giving Folsom a chance to "miss" DLS.

So, it's kinda murky.
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Niklas227 said:
Please watch the Mater Dei vs St. John Bosco game to educate yourself about the heirarchy and talent gap between the #1 and the #2 teams in the State. Its not even close.

DLS, Pitt, and Folsom would be lucky to score against Mater Dei's starters.
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OK I'll try do my best to educate myself on talent gaps! Isn't Riordan the most talented team in Norcal? I haven't educated myself on their record yet yet but are they undefeated?

I'm not saying any of these teams would be MD. Could they score 2 TD's yes I think at least a couple of them could IF they are not one-dimensional in their offense. Thats my only point to respond to this whole thread.
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THEOC89 said:
You can watch something over and over again and interpret it anyway you want…. The Bottom line is Folsom only scored 20 points, was out coached and out played by Serra and lost….

The rest is all semantics, but the reality it Folsom gets beat up by Serra and DLS and they lose over 80% of the time because Folsom is a soft team that plays a weak schedule…..

Folsom prefers a 7 on 7 type of games like they get in the SFL every week since all the best players in the area go to Folsom….. 🤣
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This is exactly what someone says who's never coached, or had to review film to help your team get better (ie - coach). Its what people say who look at box scores and come to a conclusion not based in fact. if you are a coach this is how your team gets beat if you play them again. Teams who play the 1st week of the year aren't the same in week 10.

Again I'm not a Folsom fan, but looking at film they did NOT get "beat up". It's just a false narrative. Grouping teams from different years is also stupid IMO, even if they continuously lose when they go against each other. They DID get out coached, and out played when it mattered. We can agree there. Also the schedule could be better, I wish they did play better comp out of season.
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WCAL 2024-25 SEASON

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smramsfan said:
Again I'm looking at film. Go back and look at that film and come back and say "Serra beat them up". Its objectionably false. I'll agree they definitely made stupid mistakes. The big plays Serra made to keep them in the game were pass plays and a couple of "trick" plays (role out pass hand off reverse). They had one drive which I would somewhat call smash mouth but that was it.
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You can watch something over and over again and interpret it anyway you want…. The Bottom line is Folsom only scored 20 points, was out coached and out played by Serra and lost….

The rest is all semantics, but the reality it Folsom gets beat up by Serra and DLS and they lose over 80% of the time because Folsom is a soft team that plays a weak schedule…..

Folsom prefers a 7 on 7 type of games like they get in the SFL every week since all the best players in the area go to Folsom….. 🤣
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Folsom vs Centennial 2025

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Jfoyosoul said:
Yes indeed, thank you and cheers…now let’s just hope ryder lyons stays one more year to see him play against centennial..
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Yes, it’s too bad we haven’t seen any confirmation of that yet, but I wouldn’t expect it while the season is still going on….

What I find more interesting is how Folsom has opened the door for a game with MD…. So why not schedule that game for next year…. The coaches have supposedly talked and the last minute game wouldn’t work this year but what about next year?….

If Folsom really wants a game with MD it seems like that is on the Table and it would be an amazing spectacle to see MD come to Nor Cal to play Folsom, they will bring a Ton of Fans…..

Next year is going to tell us if Folsom is for real…. Either Folsom plays Cen10 or MD or Both or it’s just another year of Smoke and Mirrors for Folsom…. 🤣
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THEOC89 said:
Are you sure?….. What Smash Mouth team has This Folsom Team played other than a 4 loss Serra team?…..

Serra beat them up and Folsom did what Folsom does which is make mistakes and bad coaching decisions and only scored 20 points…..

My guess is that once Folsom sees MD come out for Warm ups the whole Folsom team comes down with COVID….🤣
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Again I'm looking at film. Go back and look at that film and come back and say "Serra beat them up". Its objectionably false. I'll agree they definitely made stupid mistakes. The big plays Serra made to keep them in the game were pass plays and a couple of "trick" plays (role out pass hand off reverse). They had one drive which I would somewhat call smash mouth but that was it.
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smramsfan said:
That maybe the cool thing to say but its not true for this Folsom team (and I'm honestly not a Folsom fan). Looking at that loss to Serra they lost it on offense and special teams. 2 turnovers in the 1st qtr ( I count the one when they went for it on 4th down from their own 4) and the onside kick by Serra to finish it out. I didn't look at that game and think Serra was the more physical team. Also they got their transfers on the team at this point.

Folsom's issue (and strength) honestly is with Lyons. He's great but sometime tries to do too much especially against top tier competition, and he's so good it works most of the time. I think he can hone that in and be deadly in a meaningful game when he just does his job,

Again not saying any of these teams will beat a SS top tier team. I will disagree that they can't score on them. I think DLS and Pitt can put up at least a couple of TD's, as well as Folsom. I actually think SM (St. Mary's) can put up some points on them (but still not win the game) just looking at the pure athletic talent these teams have on the offensive side.
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Please watch the Mater Dei vs St. John Bosco game to educate yourself about the heirarchy and talent gap between the #1 and the #2 teams in the State. Its not even close.

DLS, Pitt, and Folsom would be lucky to score against Mater Dei's starters.
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WCAL 2024-25 SEASON

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smramsfan said:
That maybe the cool thing to say but its not true for this Folsom team (and I'm honestly not a Folsom fan). Looking at that loss to Serra they lost it on offense and special teams. 2 turnovers in the 1st qtr ( I count the one when they went for it on 4th down from their own 4th) and the onside kick by Serra to finish it out. I didn't look at that game and think Serra was the more physical team.

Folsom's issue (and strength) honestly is with Lyons. He's great but sometime tries to do too much especially against top tier competition, and he's so good it works most of the time. I think he can hone that in and be deadly in a meaningful game when he just does his job,

Again not saying any of these teams will beat a SS top tier team. I will disagree that they can't score on them. I think DLS and Pitt can put up at least a couple of TD's, as well as Folsom. I actually think SM (St. Mary's) can put up some points on them (but still not win the game) just looking at the pure athletic talent these teams have on the offensive side.
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Are you sure?….. What Smash Mouth team has This Folsom Team played other than a 4 loss Serra team?…..

Serra beat them up and Folsom did what Folsom does which is make mistakes and bad coaching decisions and only scored 20 points…..

My guess is that once Folsom sees MD come out for Warm ups the whole Folsom team comes down with COVID….🤣
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ArmchairGOAT said:
Folsom struggles against smash mouth teams. See DeLa and Serra. St. Francis is also a smash mouth football team. Very physical and well coached.
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That maybe the cool thing to say but its not true for this Folsom team (and I'm honestly not a Folsom fan). Looking at that loss to Serra they lost it on offense and special teams. 2 turnovers in the 1st qtr ( I count the one when they went for it on 4th down from their own 4) and the onside kick by Serra to finish it out. I didn't look at that game and think Serra was the more physical team. Also they got their transfers on the team at this point.

Folsom's issue (and strength) honestly is with Lyons. He's great but sometime tries to do too much especially against top tier competition, and he's so good it works most of the time. I think he can hone that in and be deadly in a meaningful game when he just does his job,

Again not saying any of these teams will beat a SS top tier team. I will disagree that they can't score on them. I think DLS and Pitt can put up at least a couple of TD's, as well as Folsom. I actually think SM (St. Mary's) can put up some points on them (but still not win the game) just looking at the pure athletic talent these teams have on the offensive side.
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smramsfan said:
I would mention Folsom over St Francis. I'm not really sold on them. I think to beat some of those teams down south you need to be able to run and pass AND be able to stop the run and pass given they tend to be strong in both. I think that will be the downfall of DLS in that game (could be wrong). I think Pitt actually would match up the best in NorCal, then DLS and Folsom at a further 3rd. Not sure anyone else in NorCal could be mentioned when talking about competing with the top SS teams.
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Folsom struggles against smash mouth teams. See DeLa and Serra. St. Francis is also a smash mouth football team. Very physical and well coached.
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Patrick Walsh gets win No. 200

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NorCalSportsFan said:
He's two-three seasons away from #2 or 3 on the list. I can't believe I forgot him. I had a great experience watching a game with my son sitting next to Mike Singletary who was watching his son play. Very nice man. My son who was 5 or 6 at the time was writing stories on his note pad and Mike got a kick out of disinterest in the game. My son not a football fan (yes that kills me) ended up playing Lacrosse and basketball but the writing and books helped him later with his academics as he is currently in his last year of med school. Have attended quite a few games at the hill top stadium. Great view of the lights of San Jose at night.
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Good job dad and mom. As parents you put them on that path. Their success is your success
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Any team out of the North would be lucky to score a TD on Mater Dei in the State Championship unless MD plays their bench in the 4th Qtr because the game was already decided.

Otherwise, I don’t see it happening. They dismantled St. John Bosco who beat Serra and Pittsburgh handily with a QB that has since been replaced.
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Predictions

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CN is not as good as they have been previously. Other than Schat they're going to rely on youngsters. I would expect some growing pains early on. They will still roll thru league though as there is no one in Sonoma county to challenge them. Borderline NCS Open team this season.

Along with Folsom I would expect both McClatchy and Oakridge to be pretty good. Of course never count out SMS although they will not be as formidable as previous years. Not sure who the top dog in SJS will be this season.

Of course Mitty is the cream of the crop and will be playing in the State Open final this year again...

Also saw PW play and they look like they are back after a short hiatus from the top nor cal teams.

In other words the usual suspects lol
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