remc said:

Agree, but do you think that an Open appearance by CN in this year’s playoffs will lead to CN trying to compete in D1 every year going forward? I’m asking that based on the CN girls basketball program that you brought up. It takes a lot more resources and dedication to sustain football success. Though CN has long been established as a football power at the lower divisions, I don’t know if the demographics in that area can provide CN with enough to take the next step regularly. A good program that produces a team that punches above its weight for a season or two, doesn’t mean it belongs in The Open

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CoachRandal said:

“Competitive Equity” is generally a lose lose for small enrollment schools. Enrollment still is a factor and correlated to computer rankings. With the exception of city schools a bigger enrollment provides a bigger pool of athletes. Small schools are either pulled up to play bigger schools or bigger schools are sent down. Thus a lose, lose. Also CE punishes success and rewards mediocrity. That being said small good schools should want to move up to challenge themselves but the system to move should be voluntary. I would also let schools that historically underachieve be allowed to petition to move down. What we are seeing now with CE is the Strong are getting stronger and the Weak are getting weaker. CN and MC will be driven by CE to get better and will probably accomplish it by attracting more players from weak public schools who will get worse. I like enrollment based divisions with a voluntary open to give the top teams the chance to compete to be #1. Right now the playoffs seem meaningless once you get below Open/D1 and perhaps D2. Attendance and interest in HS sports playoffs seems to be declining with this new system. League play is more interesting with its traditional league rivalries.

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remc said:

Agree, but do you think that an Open appearance by CN in this year’s playoffs will lead to CN trying to compete in D1 every year going forward? I’m asking that based on the CN girls basketball program that you brought up. It takes a lot more resources and dedication to sustain football success. Though CN has long been established as a football power at the lower divisions, I don’t know if the demographics in that area can provide CN with enough to take the next step regularly. A good program that produces a team that punches above its weight for a season or two, doesn’t mean it belongs in The Open

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bella123 said:

Newman has always been known as a football school and have been dedicated to it’s success since Ed Lloyd showed up on campus.

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Irish_Cheers said:

Because then, they would be the "Blueberries" and blueberries are purple, and that's a Riordan color.

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THEOC89 said:

HA!…. Then Max Preps has ZERO credibility…. Folsom was at Full strength and got Boatraced by 30+ points by Grant….

Grant had multiple injuries of top players when they played Folsom again so 2 very different games…. No Top 5 Team in the Country gets Boatraced by a Non top 5 team…. You Folsom guys are trying too hard…. 🤣

I am sure not any other poll had Folsom even sniffing the top 10…. 30+ point loss and “National Top 5”…. 🤣🤣🤣

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remc said:

Id also venture that they more than likely increased their resources in order to elevate the program. Depends on how dedicated a program is to success.

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1tunz1 said:

I think the ‘opt into the Open,” idea is a good one, for all teams not D1 base enrollment. Or allow all 8 open teams to be eligble for selection to a divisional regional/state bracket, like girls basketball.

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PALbooster said:

Carmel YKD - thanks for the question. Most of the work is in the set up at the beginning and I find that waiting until week 6 to start the projections means there is not much work week to week to change projections as cal-rep rankings are proving out to be about 85% accurate. There are five point columns

1. Schedule - This moves very little. All CCS teams are set as A, B or C teams at the beginning of the year. Most non-CCS teams are pretty clear whether they are an A, B or C team. There are always a couple of bubble non-CCS teams that I have to track manually every year that hover between some of the categories.

2. Wins - I project this out after week six and every week there are usually 6-8 "upsets" that require adjustments. The bigger ripple is where an upset just doesn't reverse a win or a loss for the two teams involved but rankings change enough to change the projections for a handful of teams going forward for the end of the year.

3. League Championship Points - Part of the projections are projecting out the 13 CCS league champions. If these stay stable there are no adjustments, but when the projection of a league champion changes then I have manually adjust which opponents lose or gain points. Another hard part here that takes some time is checking non-CCS opponents that project to be league champions. For example McLymonds forfeit means that they are now a likely OAL co-Champion instead of easily projected Champion and Riordan and St. Francis loss 0.5 points from the original projection.

4. Top 100/150 bonus points - Again once you get to week 6 this stays pretty stable, but I do check the changes in the list from week to week of both CCS teams and Non-CCS opponents of CCS teams. So as teams on the border go in and out of the top 100 or top 150 points get adjusted accordingly. There are usually only a few teams that go back and forth or out of the rankings this late in the season.

5. CCS Calpreps ranking - Every week I do this. With the top and bottom rankings staying pretty stable but there is usually a lot of change between 11-30 and these cause changes in seeding or division placements.

All in all it takes about 3 hours to set up in Week 6 and then about an hour to 1.5 hours. week after that to track the changes - much is automated, but tables have to be changed manually

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remc said:

Id also venture that they more than likely increased their resources in order to elevate the program. Depends on how dedicated a program is to success.

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ChewpaMiverga said:

Riordan's Defense is figuring it out. Mitty does not have the horses to match up with anyone other than Bellarmine but they


"The Black Cherries"

I wonder why the hell they don't just go with Blue instead

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bella123 said:

I’d venture to guess Monica Mertle and the girls hoops program at Newman would strongly disagree. Rewind some years back when they first got pulled up to the open and there was talk of how they didn't belong.. The program today is much stronger now and has competed at that higher level year in and year out. Same with Newman’s baseball program they’ve stepped up and is becoming in Norcal blue blood.

Hell, I remember when Valley Christian was a NCS class A team football team. Then they moved to the CCS. I remember the first year the rumblings of them going to the WCAL and how they were going to get crushed. Same thing with Orange Lutheran football. I remember watching them when they were division 11 SS team. They challenged their program and elevated it. At some point, you need to step out of your comfort zone to get better.

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Jfoyosoul said:

I didn’t say I ranked them #5..we were talking about where they were ranked nationally by Maxpreps. I am going off memory ..i just went to maxpreps.com and looked up there team and they were indeed ranked #5 nationally in the 2010/2011 season…it has nothing to do with me or some kool aid..it was where they were ranked…oh and btw, they did turn around and beat that same nationally ranked grant team in the playoffs by 21 pts and then serra gardena…so no kool aid involved..just simple information we were discussing

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THEOC89 said:

HA!!!…. You are saying that 2010 Folsom who go Boatraced by 30+ points by Grant was ranked #5 in the Nation?….. So was Grant #1?….. 🤣

You Folsom guys are funny, The Blue Kool Aid is Flowing!!…. 🤣🤣

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