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What division are CN and Marin Catholic in NCS for the playoffs this season?

In this instance, not a good idea in the playoffs. Play the best in the non league games, front part of the schedule. That’s how you get better. Getting overmatched in a playoff game doesn’t really improve your team, especially in a Division you wouldn’t normally play in. IMO anyway
Agreed. Although for teams like MC and Cardinal Newman, who are year in and year out solid, the prestige and playing against the DLS/Pitt types would be cool. They will be in the thick of it again every year.

For your average school, who is just having a good year, say American Canyon or Sonoma Valley, it would be a shame for them to be places in a bracket too high and go 1 and done or semis and out, after having once in a decade, or generation type seasons.
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CCS play-off projections with two weeks to go

Here are the CCS Play-off projections with two weeks left in the season. A few changes to the field this week as Leland goes in based on projection to capture second place in the Valley League by upsetting Sobrato. Hillsdale is projected into the field after beating Kings Academy (who is projected out) and Sobrato replaces Sacred Heart Prep as the projected final at-large team.

Open/D1

Barring an upset where one of these teams’ losses to someone other than those in the Open/D1 division, this field looks set although seedings could change as they did this week. SI and Los Gatos flipped seeds, but everything else stayed the same. All eight team’s results were as projected. Three match-ups this week between open teams will impact seedings. Soquel plays Salinas; Riordan plays Serra and St. Francis plays Valley Christian.

8. Riordan 4-6 65 (8) at 1. St. Francis 9-1 81 (2)

7. Salinas 8-2 67.5 (7) at 2. St. Ignatius 8-2 76 (3)

Winners of Round 1 play for open championship – loser of open championship plays winner of round two game below for D1 championship.

6. Valley Christian 5-5 68.5 (6) at 3. Los Gatos 9-1 76 (2)

5. Soquel 8-2 72.5 (5) at 4. Serra 6-4 75 (4)

D2

Seeding changes in this division as Wilcox, Christopher and Menlo-Atherton flipping the 1 through 3 seeds and the rest stayed the same. All the teams in this division also preformed to projections and teams in the bracket stayed the same as last week.

8. Santa Teresa 9-1 50.5* (8) at 1. Wilcox 7-3 60.5 (2)

5. Monterey 6-4 53 (5) at 4. Sacred Heart Cathedral 4-6 56 (4)

6. Menlo School 7-3 52 (6) at 3. Menlo-Atherton 7-3 58.5 (1)

7. Palma 5-5 50.5 (7) at 2. Christopher 9-1 59 (3)

* Elevated to D2 as no B league team can play in D1 or D2

D3

Same eight teams but some movement here as Half Moon Bay continued their downward slide with a loss to San Mateo

8. Burlingame 7-3 42 (4) at 1. Carmel 10-0 59* (1)

5. Palo Alto 5-5 44 (6) at 4. Hollister 5-5 48 (5)

6. Half Moon Bay 8-2 42.5 (3) at 3. Capuchino 9-1 49 (3)

7. Piedmont Hills 8-2 42.5 (8) at 2. Willow Glen 10-0 50.5 (2)

Dropped to D3 as no B league team can play in DI or D2

D4

A couple of changes here as South San Francisco moves up from D5 to D4 and Hillsdale comes back into the field in D4

8. Live Oak 3-7 29** (8) at 1. Aptos 5-5 41 (1)

5. Sobrato 7-3 33 (3) at 4. North Salinas 7-3 35 (6)

6. Hillsdale 5-5 31.5 (NR) at 3. Branham 7-3 38 (2)

7. South San Francisco 8-2 29 (3 in D5) at 2. San Mateo 8-2 39 (4)

Elevated to D4 as no A league team can be in D5 and all C league teams must be in D5.

D5

Leland jumped into the field in D5 and there were also seeding changes.
  • 8. Gunderson 7-3 19 (8) at 1. San Lorenzo Valley 10-0 35** (2)
  • 5. North Monterey County 7-3 25 (1) at 4. Woodside 7-3 25.5 (7)
  • 6. Pioneer 6-4 23.5 (5) at 3. Leland 6-3 25.9 (NR)
  • 7..Gunn 10-0 23.5 (6) at 2. Alisal 6-4 27.5 (4)
**Dropped from D4 to D5 as all C league teams must be in D5.

WCAL

All went according to projections with Saint Ignatius beating Valley Christian 20-13 in the league’s most competitive game last week. At this point the league’s top 5 teams have clinched paly off berths and Sacred Heart Cathedral can only be displaced in 6th place if it losses its last two games and either Bellarmine or Mitty win their final two games.

PAL-Bay

Everything has gone as projected in this league to date. The league’s only two undefeated teams square off this week as Wilcox travels to Los Gatos. Five of this league’s six teams get automatic spots. Sacred Heart Prep is currently on the wrong side of the at-large bubble projections and will likely need a win over Menlo-Atherton or Menlo School to have a chance to make the play-offs.

Gabilan

Soquel travels to Salinas this week in the game that will determine the league championship. The league’s 3rd-6th place teams (Monterey, Palma, Hollister and Aptos) continue to jockey for position, but absent an upset win by last place Alvarez over Hollister or Palma all four of those teams figure to make the play-off field.

Mount Hamilton

Another conference that has gone as projected. Leigh will have to pull of an upset over Christopher or Branham to have a chance at one of the four automatic berths currently projected to go to Christopher, Santa Teresa, Branham and Live Oak.

PAL-Deanza

Nothing is quite yet settled in this league with four teams jockeying for three spots. Current projections are for Capuchino, Burlingame and Hillsdale to make the play-offs with Kings Academy being the odd man out. But head-to-head match-ups between relatively closely ranked teams in Burlingame at Capuchino and Capuchino at King’s Academy will be determinative.

PAL Ocean

Half Moon Bay lost for the second week in a row to San Mateo 30-20. This leaves four teams hunting for two spots. San Mateo clinches the league championship with a win at home against Sequoia which after going 1-4 in non-league has been a surprise 3-0 in league to date. Another big match-up this week is Half Moon Bay hosting Carlmont. Regardless of this weeks outcomes the week ten match-up between rivals Carlmont and Sequoia will help determine the top two spots.

Mission South

Carmel cemented their spot as league champion with a win over second place North Salinas. The winner of this league’s match-up between North Salinas and Soledad will determine the second play-off spot.

Mission North

This is the only league where every team has lost a league game and every team has won a league game. This Saturday two of the league’s one loss teams North Monterey County plays at St. Francis of Watsonville. Alisal is the other one loss team and is projected to make the field as well as the winner of the above mentioned game.

Valley

Willow Glen is favored to win the league and finish the regular season 10-0. Leland beat Sobrato this week and can clinch a play-off berth with a win against Gilroy. Sobrato must beat Prospect and Gilroy in its final two games to try to hold onto the sections final at-large berth.

Foothill

Piedmont Hills is the heavy favorite to win this league. The winner of this week’s game where Overfelt travels to Pioneer is likely to get the second play-off spot.

El Camino

South San Francisco has clinched a play-off spot and is sole league champion with either a win at home over Homestead or a Woodside loss at Fremont. Woodside clinches the second league spot with a win over Fremont.

Santa Lucia

The league title will likely be decided by the winner of this week’s game between the league’s remaining two undefeated teams when Stevenson will travel to favorite San Lorenzo Valley.

Lake

Jefferson’s win over Saratoga means this league championship will get settled in week 10 when Gunn hosts Jefferson.

West Valley

Gunderson has clinched this league’s sole play-off spot and ends up as sole champion with a win in its final game against San Jose or another Evergreen Valley loss.
Another outstanding job. The Booster is a vital CCS resource. Where would we be without this savvy individual? That's right, we'd be floundering in the prep football darkness like pathetic lost souls seeking divine guidance.

What division are CN and Marin Catholic in NCS for the playoffs this season?

Nah you want to play the best and challenge yourself. It’s how you get better.
In this instance, not a good idea in the playoffs. Play the best in the non league games, front part of the schedule. That’s how you get better. Getting overmatched in a playoff game doesn’t really improve your team, especially in a Division you wouldn’t normally play in. IMO anyway

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CCS play-off projections with two weeks to go

Here are the CCS Play-off projections with two weeks left in the season. A few changes to the field this week as Leland goes in based on projection to capture second place in the Valley League by upsetting Sobrato. Hillsdale is projected into the field after beating Kings Academy (who is projected out) and Sobrato replaces Sacred Heart Prep as the projected final at-large team.

Open/D1

Barring an upset where one of these teams’ losses to someone other than those in the Open/D1 division, this field looks set although seedings could change as they did this week. SI and Los Gatos flipped seeds, but everything else stayed the same. All eight team’s results were as projected. Three match-ups this week between open teams will impact seedings. Soquel plays Salinas; Riordan plays Serra and St. Francis plays Valley Christian.

8. Riordan 4-6 65 (8) at 1. St. Francis 9-1 81 (2)

7. Salinas 8-2 67.5 (7) at 2. St. Ignatius 8-2 76 (3)

Winners of Round 1 play for open championship – loser of open championship plays winner of round two game below for D1 championship.

6. Valley Christian 5-5 68.5 (6) at 3. Los Gatos 9-1 76 (2)

5. Soquel 8-2 72.5 (5) at 4. Serra 6-4 75 (4)

D2

Seeding changes in this division as Wilcox, Christopher and Menlo-Atherton flipping the 1 through 3 seeds and the rest stayed the same. All the teams in this division also preformed to projections and teams in the bracket stayed the same as last week.

8. Santa Teresa 9-1 50.5* (8) at 1. Wilcox 7-3 60.5 (2)

5. Monterey 6-4 53 (5) at 4. Sacred Heart Cathedral 4-6 56 (4)

6. Menlo School 7-3 52 (6) at 3. Menlo-Atherton 7-3 58.5 (1)

7. Palma 5-5 50.5 (7) at 2. Christopher 9-1 59 (3)

* Elevated to D2 as no B league team can play in D1 or D2

D3

Same eight teams but some movement here as Half Moon Bay continued their downward slide with a loss to San Mateo

8. Burlingame 7-3 42 (4) at 1. Carmel 10-0 59* (1)

5. Palo Alto 5-5 44 (6) at 4. Hollister 5-5 48 (5)

6. Half Moon Bay 8-2 42.5 (3) at 3. Capuchino 9-1 49 (3)

7. Piedmont Hills 8-2 42.5 (8) at 2. Willow Glen 10-0 50.5 (2)

Dropped to D3 as no B league team can play in DI or D2

D4

A couple of changes here as South San Francisco moves up from D5 to D4 and Hillsdale comes back into the field in D4

8. Live Oak 3-7 29** (8) at 1. Aptos 5-5 41 (1)

5. Sobrato 7-3 33 (3) at 4. North Salinas 7-3 35 (6)

6. Hillsdale 5-5 31.5 (NR) at 3. Branham 7-3 38 (2)

7. South San Francisco 8-2 29 (3 in D5) at 2. San Mateo 8-2 39 (4)

Elevated to D4 as no A league team can be in D5 and all C league teams must be in D5.

D5

Leland jumped into the field in D5 and there were also seeding changes.
  • 8. Gunderson 7-3 19 (8) at 1. San Lorenzo Valley 10-0 35** (2)
  • 5. North Monterey County 7-3 25 (1) at 4. Woodside 7-3 25.5 (7)
  • 6. Pioneer 6-4 23.5 (5) at 3. Leland 6-3 25.9 (NR)
  • 7..Gunn 10-0 23.5 (6) at 2. Alisal 6-4 27.5 (4)
**Dropped from D4 to D5 as all C league teams must be in D5.

WCAL

All went according to projections with Saint Ignatius beating Valley Christian 20-13 in the league’s most competitive game last week. At this point the league’s top 5 teams have clinched paly off berths and Sacred Heart Cathedral can only be displaced in 6th place if it losses its last two games and either Bellarmine or Mitty win their final two games.

PAL-Bay

Everything has gone as projected in this league to date. The league’s only two undefeated teams square off this week as Wilcox travels to Los Gatos. Five of this league’s six teams get automatic spots. Sacred Heart Prep is currently on the wrong side of the at-large bubble projections and will likely need a win over Menlo-Atherton or Menlo School to have a chance to make the play-offs.

Gabilan

Soquel travels to Salinas this week in the game that will determine the league championship. The league’s 3rd-6th place teams (Monterey, Palma, Hollister and Aptos) continue to jockey for position, but absent an upset win by last place Alvarez over Hollister or Palma all four of those teams figure to make the play-off field.

Mount Hamilton

Another conference that has gone as projected. Leigh will have to pull of an upset over Christopher or Branham to have a chance at one of the four automatic berths currently projected to go to Christopher, Santa Teresa, Branham and Live Oak.

PAL-Deanza

Nothing is quite yet settled in this league with four teams jockeying for three spots. Current projections are for Capuchino, Burlingame and Hillsdale to make the play-offs with Kings Academy being the odd man out. But head-to-head match-ups between relatively closely ranked teams in Burlingame at Capuchino and Capuchino at King’s Academy will be determinative.

PAL Ocean

Half Moon Bay lost for the second week in a row to San Mateo 30-20. This leaves four teams hunting for two spots. San Mateo clinches the league championship with a win at home against Sequoia which after going 1-4 in non-league has been a surprise 3-0 in league to date. Another big match-up this week is Half Moon Bay hosting Carlmont. Regardless of this weeks outcomes the week ten match-up between rivals Carlmont and Sequoia will help determine the top two spots.

Mission South

Carmel cemented their spot as league champion with a win over second place North Salinas. The winner of this league’s match-up between North Salinas and Soledad will determine the second play-off spot.

Mission North

This is the only league where every team has lost a league game and every team has won a league game. This Saturday two of the league’s one loss teams North Monterey County plays at St. Francis of Watsonville. Alisal is the other one loss team and is projected to make the field as well as the winner of the above mentioned game.

Valley

Willow Glen is favored to win the league and finish the regular season 10-0. Leland beat Sobrato this week and can clinch a play-off berth with a win against Gilroy. Sobrato must beat Prospect and Gilroy in its final two games to try to hold onto the sections final at-large berth.

Foothill

Piedmont Hills is the heavy favorite to win this league. The winner of this week’s game where Overfelt travels to Pioneer is likely to get the second play-off spot.

El Camino

South San Francisco has clinched a play-off spot and is sole league champion with either a win at home over Homestead or a Woodside loss at Fremont. Woodside clinches the second league spot with a win over Fremont.

Santa Lucia

The league title will likely be decided by the winner of this week’s game between the league’s remaining two undefeated teams when Stevenson will travel to favorite San Lorenzo Valley.

Lake

Jefferson’s win over Saratoga means this league championship will get settled in week 10 when Gunn hosts Jefferson.

West Valley

Gunderson has clinched this league’s sole play-off spot and ends up as sole champion with a win in its final game against San Jose or another Evergreen Valley loss.

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Difficult to define how much your hard is appreciated. I'm curious to know how much of each week's work you have been able to automate? Any idea how many hours you spend on each week's projections. From someone who used to help figure out just where "my" school was going to be slotted in the play-offs I stand amazed at how you are able to do this.
Carmel YKD - thanks for the question. Most of the work is in the set up at the beginning and I find that waiting until week 6 to start the projections means there is not much work week to week to change projections as cal-rep rankings are proving out to be about 85% accurate. There are five point columns

1. Schedule - This moves very little. All CCS teams are set as A, B or C teams at the beginning of the year. Most non-CCS teams are pretty clear whether they are an A, B or C team. There are always a couple of bubble non-CCS teams that I have to track manually every year that hover between some of the categories.

2. Wins - I project this out after week six and every week there are usually 6-8 "upsets" that require adjustments. The bigger ripple is where an upset just doesn't reverse a win or a loss for the two teams involved but rankings change enough to change the projections for a handful of teams going forward for the end of the year.

3. League Championship Points - Part of the projections are projecting out the 13 CCS league champions. If these stay stable there are no adjustments, but when the projection of a league champion changes then I have manually adjust which opponents lose or gain points. Another hard part here that takes some time is checking non-CCS opponents that project to be league champions. For example McLymonds forfeit means that they are now a likely OAL co-Champion instead of easily projected Champion and Riordan and St. Francis loss 0.5 points from the original projection.

4. Top 100/150 bonus points - Again once you get to week 6 this stays pretty stable, but I do check the changes in the list from week to week of both CCS teams and Non-CCS opponents of CCS teams. So as teams on the border go in and out of the top 100 or top 150 points get adjusted accordingly. There are usually only a few teams that go back and forth or out of the rankings this late in the season.

5. CCS Calpreps ranking - Every week I do this. With the top and bottom rankings staying pretty stable but there is usually a lot of change between 11-30 and these cause changes in seeding or division placements.

All in all it takes about 3 hours to set up in Week 6 and then about an hour to 1.5 hours. week after that to track the changes - much is automated, but tables have to be changed manually

What division are CN and Marin Catholic in NCS for the playoffs this season?

Redwood-Adobe league is absolutely loaded this year. I pondered what would happen if CN lost to MC and thus lost the league champ. It seems to me that at least 1 RAAL team has to go to Open. And I think that has to be the RAAL champ. Will the coaching staff of both teams consider that scenario and play to it or will they coach their team to be the very best they can be regardless playoff placement. I don't know either coach well enough to guess what they will do.

The NCS selection process has to dig pretty deep into EBMAL, BVAL or even DFAL and WACFAL to avoid placing at least one RAAL team into Open. And now looking at the entire scope of teams available, having both CN and MC in Open is logical. But we all know sectional selection process, especially in the NCS section, is often not very logical.

WCAL 2024-25 SEASON

Riordan's Defense is figuring it out. Mitty does not have the horses to match up with anyone other than Bellarmine but they
Their black hoops uniforms are nice. These football ones just looked really cheap and unimaginative. Hummel played must better and he had some nice passes that were quick slants and not just his predictable 10 yard outs. 2nd half was no contest. VC offensively couldnt do anything. As I noted before, VC doesnt have a real QB. Was there no junior or sophomore backup QB from last year who gives them more than what the freshman gives?

"The Black Cherries"

I wonder why the hell they don't just go with Blue instead

Folsom vs Centennial 2025

Yup this right I look at it wrong

They highest finish on Max preps was number 5 in 2014 nationally they was #2 in the state

Finished 8 nationally in 2017

They finished 7 nationally in 2018


I looked at Max preps perhaps other ranking from other publications was different those years
Thanks for the correct info! I think if you go back to 2010, they were also around 5 I believe…i hope Ryder Lyons stays next year. I know Jake Browning reclassified in 2014, but he still played his Senior Fall season and just started UW that January..maybe that will happen with Lyons..though I beard he plans to do a 1 yr mission with the mormon church so we shall see

Tim Murphy retires at Clayton Valley Charter

For a time CVC was getting Pitt/Antioch/Brentwood kids. Clayton Valley going to a charter format was huge.

Now it seems kids flock to DLS or Pitt. The whole Concord area and the Bay Valley league is very down. Just 5-6 years ago too to bottom that league was very good. Antioch, Freedom, even Deer Valley have all had some good runs a decade ago. Now it’s Pitt, better than ever, Liberty is solid but down from their peak, Heritage is ok, Antioch is iffy, Deer Valley and Freedom bad. The demographics of these schools should all yield decent football programs.

A lot of those kids are at Sacred Heart Cathedral too. They recruit that area heavily.

Tim Murphy retires at Clayton Valley Charter

For a time CVC was getting Pitt/Antioch/Brentwood kids. Clayton Valley going to a charter format was huge.

Now it seems kids flock to DLS or Pitt. The whole Concord area and the Bay Valley league is very down. Just 5-6 years ago too to bottom that league was very good. Antioch, Freedom, even Deer Valley have all had some good runs a decade ago. Now it’s Pitt, better than ever, Liberty is solid but down from their peak, Heritage is ok, Antioch is iffy, Deer Valley and Freedom bad. The demographics of these schools should all yield decent football programs.
They were easily the third best team in the NCS from 2012-2022

Tim Murphy retires at Clayton Valley Charter

I heard a rumor a week or so ago that Tim Murphy is the name to keep an eye out for at Bellarmine of all places.

Apparently this whole idea of the “forward pass” is not working out too well for them and they’d like to take it back a bit.
The Bells need all of the help they can get. The program is a mess. All three levels are less than terrific. Once this season is over, the school's trustees and administration will no doubt address the situation. If the current coaching staff is retained it will be a surprise. Changes are in order. STAT.

What division are CN and Marin Catholic in NCS for the playoffs this season?

Newman absolutely dominated a very good San Marin team last night 31-3 and had 2 TD's in first half called back due to penalties. It could have been a lot worse. I would be shocked if they don't end up in the open from what I saw. San Marin who has a very good offense totaled 92 yards on the night. In fact I wouldn't want them to be in anything lower than D2. Huge game next week at Marin Catholic. That has to be the biggest game in Norcal. And realistically both MC and Newman are probably both open teams
@northbaybbguru , you know if Jamri Gentry is getting any looks? That kid is electric. Newman hasn't had that sort of speed in past.
If MC beats Newman do they both go into Open/D1? I don’t want to see the loser “benefit” by going D4. Big downside to the format.

Saturday afternoon on turf is always tough. Although it shouldn’t be hot it’s a big home field advantage for MC.

Tim Murphy retires at Clayton Valley Charter

For a time CVC was getting Pitt/Antioch/Brentwood kids. Clayton Valley going to a charter format was huge.

Now it seems kids flock to DLS or Pitt. The whole Concord area and the Bay Valley league is very down. Just 5-6 years ago too to bottom that league was very good. Antioch, Freedom, even Deer Valley have all had some good runs a decade ago. Now it’s Pitt, better than ever, Liberty is solid but down from their peak, Heritage is ok, Antioch is iffy, Deer Valley and Freedom bad. The demographics of these schools should all yield decent football programs.
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And Man, is Folsom lucky that MD needed their bye week to prepare for the TL…. I mean my goodness, they may have put 100 on poor Folsom…. 🤣

I had the same exact thought last night.

If they couldn’t score more than 21 on 4-4 Serra-SM (with Ryder Lyons), no chance they would have stood a chance against MD. And MD probably would have went out of their way to embarrass them.

WCAL Week Six

Friday

Mitty, 0-5, vs. Bellarmine, 0-5, at SJCC, 7 p.m.
St. Francis, 5-0, at Valley Christian, 4-1, 7 p.m.
St. Ignatius, 4-1, vs. SHC, 1-4, at Kezar, 5 p.m. (double-check time)

Saturday

Serra, 3-2, at Riordan, 3-2, 1:30 p.m.

Notes:

Mitty favored over Bellarmine
St. Francis favored over VC
Serra vs. Riordan is a tossup
SI favored over SHC
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Their black hoops uniforms are nice. These football ones just looked really cheap and unimaginative. Hummel played must better and he had some nice passes that were quick slants and not just his predictable 10 yard outs. 2nd half was no contest. VC offensively couldnt do anything. As I noted before, VC doesnt have a real QB. Was there no junior or sophomore backup QB from last year who gives them more than what the freshman gives?
I recall the QB that really could have helped the Warriors transferred to Logan and is now at El Cerrito. Craft?

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You would think they would but given the NIMBYs of the neighborhood, it is actually part of their agreement that nothing can be outside of the facility. They used to have a cherry picker outside for opposing coaches but don't think the y do that anymore. I mean the NIMBYS want to take SI to court again over the lights and the events there...
NIMBYs in SF weld a very sharp sword however SI seemingly gets their way. Their last 2 big wins with the new learning commons that was approved and kicking out the farmers market which a lot of folks in the community were really upset SI being petty.

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The black uniforms looked great! I’ll take the W, but we can’t keep winning like this. My nervous system is shot.
Their black hoops uniforms are nice. These football ones just looked really cheap and unimaginative. Hummel played must better and he had some nice passes that were quick slants and not just his predictable 10 yard outs. 2nd half was no contest. VC offensively couldnt do anything. As I noted before, VC doesnt have a real QB. Was there no junior or sophomore backup QB from last year who gives them more than what the freshman gives?
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