Gee...I wonder why? Same merry go round....
East back out against DLS
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Let's be realistic here. Have you tried to book a flight 18 months out? You can't. Most airlines will only allow you to book 8-11 months out. Southwest Airlines (probably the likely choice to fly out to Utah) is only booking flights out to Nov 3rd currently. Hotels are similar as well. My guess is that 1.5 years ago DLS looked into what it would cost to go based on the then current prices and put together a budget. When they went to go book the trip probably ~Jan time frame, they got prices considerably higher than budgeted. Let's not blame a school for things that are beyond their control.
I don't think I said anything about it having anything to do with Folsom or there fans at all in anyway. All I was saying is that an admitted Folsom fan is trying to give travel ideas when Folsom hasn't traveled . I think I'm the only one on here who hasn't place blame on anyone at all. From where I'm at there is nothing but pure hatred on here. You have dls fans, you have dls haters. And then you have a handful like me who can't wait to se this game between Folsom and dls.
The one Folsom fan on here has been silent about the East game, as it doesn't even pertain to his team. I just don't know how anyone can surmise from the article and facts that have come out that East is in any way at fault for this game not taking place. There doesn't have to be someone at fault, but let's not try to place blame on East. That is the whole point, why did the title of this thread ever have to place blame on East? Its not a Folsom issue.
Well said. Surprised Folsom even came up. Appreciate the free press though! Jk.
Two things that I do not agree with: 1) that any fan should refrain from talking about travel, and 2) I do not see the 'pure hatred' that you refer to.
Travel expertise is not conferred to DLS fans by being DLS fans. I see no reason why anyone on this board should not be allowed to discuss travel. Especially when the DLS coach calls out the cost and unavailability of flights/hotels as being a primary reason for cancelling. I (and others) pointed out that this type of travel should have been arranged a LONG time ago. I based that opinion on my several decades of business travel. There was nothing preventing DLS from booking flights and hotels a year ago. I also pointed out that buses and hotels (outside of SLC) could have been used had there REALLY been a desire to make the game happen. It seems to me that one of two things happened. Either DLS massively screwed up and did not book their travel, or they were looking for a convenient excuse. Or maybe both apply. We don't know for sure, we can only speculate. But I will say that waiting until March to book flights for 50+ travelers flying in September and expecting the get the kids onto 1 or even 2 flights was never going to happen. A Southwest 737 carries something like 140 passengers. They needed HALF of a plane. What were they waiting for?
The hatred thing is way over-blown. DLS is the tip of the private school spear, and as such, they will receive the ire of many fans. It is easy to respect DLS for their tremendous achievement. And it is just as easy to call DLS out for their recruiting, tuition policy, fan arrogance, Lad worship, lack of other local private schools, and the other perceived advantages. It makes for good banter. And maybe the root of the jabs is filled with jealousy. But I don't see hatred. I see passionate discussion cloaked in green (or blue, or black). Just like I don't see the DLS fan's hatred of Folsom fans despite the constant jabs. I love the s(mack)-talking.
Travel expertise is not conferred to DLS fans by being DLS fans. I see no reason why anyone on this board should not be allowed to discuss travel. Especially when the DLS coach calls out the cost and unavailability of flights/hotels as being a primary reason for cancelling. I (and others) pointed out that this type of travel should have been arranged a LONG time ago. I based that opinion on my several decades of business travel. There was nothing preventing DLS from booking flights and hotels a year ago. I also pointed out that buses and hotels (outside of SLC) could have been used had there REALLY been a desire to make the game happen. It seems to me that one of two things happened. Either DLS massively screwed up and did not book their travel, or they were looking for a convenient excuse. Or maybe both apply. We don't know for sure, we can only speculate. But I will say that waiting until March to book flights for 50+ travelers flying in September and expecting the get the kids onto 1 or even 2 flights was never going to happen. A Southwest 737 carries something like 140 passengers. They needed HALF of a plane. What were they waiting for?
The hatred thing is way over-blown. DLS is the tip of the private school spear, and as such, they will receive the ire of many fans. It is easy to respect DLS for their tremendous achievement. And it is just as easy to call DLS out for their recruiting, tuition policy, fan arrogance, Lad worship, lack of other local private schools, and the other perceived advantages. It makes for good banter. And maybe the root of the jabs is filled with jealousy. But I don't see hatred. I see passionate discussion cloaked in green (or blue, or black). Just like I don't see the DLS fan's hatred of Folsom fans despite the constant jabs. I love the s(mack)-talking.
Feedback, please see my post above regarding travel because your statement on travel doesnt fly (lol). Airlines typically only allow bookings 9-11 months out. Southwest Airlines is much shorter time frame to book! They currently are only booking 7 months in advance, so they would not have been able to book until likely Feb.
I'm sold. Those lying SOB's. There are flights in and out of Utah all day long. And I cheacked hotels.com and there are plenty of rooms available to.
Got it. So why are we continuing to talk about who’s to blame for the game not happening? The OP has been taken to task, and rightfully so,for trying to pin the reason for the cancellation on East.So East is clear. And of course it was like ringing the dinner bell for the DLS haters to come out of the woodwork to blame DLS for everything from the sinking of the Titanic to starting WW2. My goodness. How about a reset on the game we all know will be played, and is of much keener interest to us all. What say the board?
So what you’re saying is Lopoz is new to this traveling thing with his football team? Hahahahaha.
The only people coming out of the woodwork are apologists. Most of us have been here absorbing the prolific kool aid crowd and their arrogance, chastising OUR program whenever there’s a chink in the armor. Defending the indefensible is no fun, eh? Reread 126. Accurate prose.
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Joebl,
I'm not sure I agree with all of your comments. When you are going to book a flight for 50 to 60 Football Players plus the Coaching Staff and possibly other Faculty Members the airlines will make arrangements well in advance of 8 to 11 months for a contingent of 80 plus seats on 1 flight. This is not some ‘Let’s get on the Internet and book our flight on X Airlines website, plug in our numbers and dates and see if we can put together the package’. This type of booking should be coordinated directly with the X Airlines special large group booking department. And just to clarify, I’m not blaming DLS if the issue was truly a budget cost overrun, what I am saying is DLS could of–should of made every effort to book the airline travel, hotel accommodations, and ground transportation for this game at the earliest possible date to lock in the costs based on their budget allocation.
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Exactly right. The idea that DLS does not know this is ridiculous after all of the travel they have taken. As I mentioned, the 'we couldn't book travel' thing is either an excuse or someone really screwed up bad. It is completely unreasonable to have expected to book travel in March for the team. Or they could have taken a charter bus if they really wanted the game to happen. We can guess, but does it really matter? The game is not going to happen, and it has nothing to do with East cancelling.
Grant Union took a yellow bus to Utah.....get tough!
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"And of course it was like ringing the dinner bell for the DLS haters to come out of the woodwork to blame DLS for everything from the sinking of the Titanic to starting WW2."
An apologist take if there ever were one. Where did anybody on this thread depart from the OP claim dela was not responsible? Where’s anybody blaming dela for anything else? Stretching and deflecting is not going to make this very, very unfortunate event go away. East has to be more steamed than any of us. They have a chance to repeat their victory and LOSE an anticipated huge gate at home. You can bet there are a few who won’t fork out that $10 at OO this fall...other than 9/14.
“Alumbaugh credited his Athletic Director, Leo Lopoz, for finding a replacement game.” “That was the week...we were originally going down to Fresno.” How convenient.
What about East? Do they have a the same bye so they can try to nab a game in the huge state of Utah that week just as the “resourceful” AD did here?
“What say you board?” because you can’t stand the fact this was a big time snafu? Seriously; count to 10, and join a different convo.
An apologist take if there ever were one. Where did anybody on this thread depart from the OP claim dela was not responsible? Where’s anybody blaming dela for anything else? Stretching and deflecting is not going to make this very, very unfortunate event go away. East has to be more steamed than any of us. They have a chance to repeat their victory and LOSE an anticipated huge gate at home. You can bet there are a few who won’t fork out that $10 at OO this fall...other than 9/14.
“Alumbaugh credited his Athletic Director, Leo Lopoz, for finding a replacement game.” “That was the week...we were originally going down to Fresno.” How convenient.
What about East? Do they have a the same bye so they can try to nab a game in the huge state of Utah that week just as the “resourceful” AD did here?
“What say you board?” because you can’t stand the fact this was a big time snafu? Seriously; count to 10, and join a different convo.
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Your whole schtick with DLS is based on you being a sore loser. You apparently had some kids or was part of the two great Cal High teams that played two great playoff games against DLS in consecutive years. And Cal High was good enough to win. But they didn’t.So ever since you seem to have developed this obsession with DLS. It was a high school football game, two of them. Great games. There’s a lot more I could say, but I’m not going there, not necessary. Get over it. And stop being intellectually dishonest with yourself about it. That’s the first step.Apologist? Lol, man......
So pointing out that the OP was complete BS makes someone a sore loser? Everything doesn't always boil down to people being jealous of DLS because they win a lot of football games. Looking for some accuracy in the posts on here, as opposed to BS and and some sort of spin control.
I agree the OP’s post was BS, but that had long been established. No need to keep rehashing that. But then to keep paraphrasing my posts on the subject and to deem anyone who points out that it’s been addressed already is an apologist for DLS? Ridiculous. Did you not see where I agreed that East wasn’t to blame for the cancellation?
Remc is “defending” the most visible program in NorCal. Not a word about how East got screwed. Even a 1L would gain summary judgement.
But the attempt at psychoanalysis is as weak as the excuses which prompted this discussion. Don’t like the situation? Ignore.
But the attempt at psychoanalysis is as weak as the excuses which prompted this discussion. Don’t like the situation? Ignore.
You mean the truth that East got screwed...
Ice cold. Two playoff games? Wrong.
Sore loser? You aren’t privy to the pride and it’s none of your business.
But you probably can figure out who else lived in our town, Sherlock.
You ask for all to move on...but you’re still here. Ha.
Just admit the Leopards got totally RF’d. Then all is good....
Ice cold. Two playoff games? Wrong.
Sore loser? You aren’t privy to the pride and it’s none of your business.
But you probably can figure out who else lived in our town, Sherlock.
You ask for all to move on...but you’re still here. Ha.
Just admit the Leopards got totally RF’d. Then all is good....
You keep calling back. Let me guess, you’re an “ I have to get the last word “ sort. After I asked to move on YOU wanted to continue. And you raised the issue yet again.You should learn the difference between pride and vanity.Already given my take on East
Maybe DLS thought BG and Folsom was more than enough for a non league schedule? Anyone think of that? It's not exactly a far cry. I don't think anyone could bash them for thinking this.
They still have a top notch schedule, considering possible playoffs, non league and league games.
Just my two cents.
They still have a top notch schedule, considering possible playoffs, non league and league games.
Just my two cents.
I spoke to a dls baseball coach at a tournament yesterday. The way he explained it is that East was supposed to pay dls expenses and East keeps the gate. He said they were going to play at some collage close to the high school. But when they were making the arrangements it was way more expensive then when they came here. He also said " if they wanted to play they would have stuck to the deal". he said no one backed out. They both wanted to play, it just wasn't feasible.
I have no idea how much of this is true. It sounds like there's more to the story. I only believe half of what comes out of anyone from dls's mouth. I wanted to ask him about the news article, but didn't have time.
I have no idea how much of this is true. It sounds like there's more to the story. I only believe half of what comes out of anyone from dls's mouth. I wanted to ask him about the news article, but didn't have time.
I have never been a coach, just have worked in the construction business since graduating from college so forgive me if I do not understand the logic of dealing/talking with anyone I do not believe or trust. I would avoid such people and not waste my time or theirs.
Interesting.
East High School is approximately .5 to 1 mile away from the University of Utah Rice-Eccles Stadium. Nice venue for a High School Football Game.
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I have been working in construction since I never went to college. Thank you for trusting and believing in me.
As someone who travels for work all the time, I can tell you that not only wouldn't you book travel 1.5 years in advance... you can't. Not only that, when you look at travel costs in one week or month, that's no guarantee at all that it will be the same even a week later.
So, no, DLS really hasn't had 1.5 years to figure this out.
This is a deflection. Business travel is not the same as group travel. I have booked both. You have to call the airline to book this many people on a flight.
It is well documented that airlines release flights for bookings 11-12 months ahead of departure. DLS could certainly have set a calendar reminder and booked their flights last Aug or Sept. That is what any reasonable person who was booking travel for 60+ people would have done. The hotel could be booked 10 or 20 years in advance.
Whether DLS had a year, or 1.5 years, the outcome is the same. DLS blamed booking the travel for the cancellation. If that is true, one of two things must also be true: they either screwed up by not booking their travel in advance, or they are using travel a convenient excuse.
DLS had the opportunity to get with the airlines one year in advance of their travel when the flights were released for booking. In this way, they would have locked in their rates and got their players on a single flight. But that did not happen. We can speculate the reason, but it is not reasonable to imply that they did not have the opportunity to be on-top of their travel arrangements.
This whole post is written by a Folsom fan trying to get the stink of avoiding real competition off their backs.
Just spit ballin' here, but could it be possible that DLS didn't place travel arrangements as a top priority?
I suppose that I would be way out of line to suggest that a private school of 1,000+ students could have placed a higher priority on the day to day operations of hosting, feeding and educating students? Its a bit of a stretch, but would it be possible that something other than booking travel and hotel accommodations for a football game a year out could possibly be occupying their time? Could there have been other matters at the forefront of their daily duties?
...just me rambling, apologies for the flippant thoughts.
I suppose that I would be way out of line to suggest that a private school of 1,000+ students could have placed a higher priority on the day to day operations of hosting, feeding and educating students? Its a bit of a stretch, but would it be possible that something other than booking travel and hotel accommodations for a football game a year out could possibly be occupying their time? Could there have been other matters at the forefront of their daily duties?
...just me rambling, apologies for the flippant thoughts.
Well I just checked with one our agents, south west, and they are only taking group arrangements 6 months out? I inquired if it possible to arrange for 100 players and coach's for next season now. The answer was no......I have no idea what DLS has done but they should be very adept at travel and know the ropes....much more than anyone on this board.....
In traveling for both business and pleasure, I've seen a lot of things happen.
I've paid $99 for a room at a Hilton and over $280 at a Holiday Inn Express.
I've had flights rerouted, times changed, and planes swapped out from something like a 767 to a smaller 737.
I've booked same day and 9 months in advance.
I've had an airline try to separate my seat from my then 6-year old daughter's.
I've had my manager call me to ask why I was spending over $200/day to rent a car from Budget (it was because the rest of the normal rental car companies were completely sold out that's all that was left).
About the only thing I think I haven't seen is any flight booking remain exactly the same if I booked more than 6 months in advance. This cancellation took place about 6 months in advance. If they couldn't arrange for the team to be on the same flight now or to find reasonable hotels, something is definitely going on in SLC.
There is no difference between availability of flights and individuals. When a flight is released for booking (11-12 months in advance), it is available for anyone to book. You can only book flights that are released, so it is no surprise that you cannot book a 2019 flight today. But you can book a flight for Aug 2019 in Aug/Sept 2018. You don't have to wait until March like DLS apparently did.
I don't know what you are talking about. If you book travel (purchase a ticket), your fare remains fixed. If prices rise, airlines do not come back to you for more money. If you reserve travel, but do not ticket, then of course prices fluctuate. But that is not what we are talking about. Airlines book group rates when the flights are reserved. There is no change in air fare. From United's site:
- A guaranteed fare for the group
- Can be booked up to 11 months in advance to American Airlines and oneworld® destinations
All this back and forth about airlines...who cares. If they wanted to get it done, they could. I’ve driven from Sac to SLC a few times in my life. It’s not a fast drive by any means on I-80, but it’s quite ‘do-able’. I could do it in under 9 hours with a few gas/restroom stops. Im guessing it’s probably 10 1/2 by bus from Concord with professional bus drivers. Leave at 7am and arrive before dinner the same day, a day before the game. Get a good night sleep, walkthrough in the morning, and play the game. It’s really not all that hard. I think another poster mentioned Grant took buses tonSLC about 5 years ago to play (Alta if I remember correctly).
Question for Folsom fan/s..how did the Bulldogs get to San Diego a few years back. I’d guess the drive from Folsom to SD trip is only about 2 hours shorter than SLC.
Question for Folsom fan/s..how did the Bulldogs get to San Diego a few years back. I’d guess the drive from Folsom to SD trip is only about 2 hours shorter than SLC.
Really?
DLS is not real competition?
Chaminade is not real competition?
Both games away by the way.
And the SFL is bottom of the barrel.
What a joke of a schedule Folsom has! Ducking everyone!
The thread is about the cancellation of the East-dLS game and the fact the Dela HC went on the record about how his school could not afford the trip.
