Folsom #1 team in the state!
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Folsom didn't just barely lose the last two years to DLS. They were destroyed.
Before DLS called off the defensive dogs so Jake could make his reads and catch his breath. (ie, pull the starters),
the scores were 49-7 and 45-3. That's a 94-10 MOAWBS. (Margin of Ass Whipping by Starters)
How much improved is Folsom? That much? Beyond ridiculous.
It's not enough that Folsom was handed a gilded path to a state ring. Now we have to listen to this drivel.
Both the DLS 2012 and 2013 teams were offensively not the same level as this years.
You seriously underestimate the ass whipping that was handed previously and the amount of 'improvement' it takes to compete with DLS. Folsom has never competed with DLS. In fact, Folsom has performed worse in the last two years than some of the NCS teams faced in those years.
Okay, so lets say Folsom improved this year and is able to keep with DLS competitevly for a quarter or two, which they have not done to date. Then Folsom gets to learn about the level of conditioning it takes to go 4 quarters with DLS. If they improved, Folsom would wear down against the relentless veer attack early in the 3rd quarter. Their first and second layers of defenses would no longer be able to make tackles consistently and DLS would own the lines and the clock and Jake..
Folsom has never seen or been tested by that level of DLS.
It's a shame the Folsom rule was put in. One could argue that it may have cost DLS in the polls substanially not having played another 'quality' opponent. Although, another 65-17 MOV would only fuel the critics that say DLS plays no one as Folsom drops out of the top 100. Funny how that works.
Before DLS called off the defensive dogs so Jake could make his reads and catch his breath. (ie, pull the starters),
the scores were 49-7 and 45-3. That's a 94-10 MOAWBS. (Margin of Ass Whipping by Starters)
How much improved is Folsom? That much? Beyond ridiculous.
It's not enough that Folsom was handed a gilded path to a state ring. Now we have to listen to this drivel.
Both the DLS 2012 and 2013 teams were offensively not the same level as this years.
You seriously underestimate the ass whipping that was handed previously and the amount of 'improvement' it takes to compete with DLS. Folsom has never competed with DLS. In fact, Folsom has performed worse in the last two years than some of the NCS teams faced in those years.
Okay, so lets say Folsom improved this year and is able to keep with DLS competitevly for a quarter or two, which they have not done to date. Then Folsom gets to learn about the level of conditioning it takes to go 4 quarters with DLS. If they improved, Folsom would wear down against the relentless veer attack early in the 3rd quarter. Their first and second layers of defenses would no longer be able to make tackles consistently and DLS would own the lines and the clock and Jake..
Folsom has never seen or been tested by that level of DLS.
It's a shame the Folsom rule was put in. One could argue that it may have cost DLS in the polls substanially not having played another 'quality' opponent. Although, another 65-17 MOV would only fuel the critics that say DLS plays no one as Folsom drops out of the top 100. Funny how that works.
I applaud you for posting your opinion...And I did some research before I posted my opinion.
First off, this is the same issue we have with the basketball playoffs every year. The North section gets their top 2 teams in the Norcals. The better seed gets a home game, with some team from the Bay Area having to go up there. It is usually a huge blowout. The North has always been a "second tier" section. I don't ever recall a team from that section winning anything.
Now for football...Those teams are good...For THAT area. And I stress using "that area." I looked up Enterprise on Maxpreps. Yes, they only lost one game. But, they lost to Vacaville. Vacaville lost to Grant, who got SMASHED by Folsom in the Norcal finals. Vacaville also lost to Oakridge, who also got BLOWN OUT against Folsom.
I understand you live up there and you probably have kids on those teams. I got it. But, the difference between the competition and the quality of kids in the North section versus the SJS is laughable. None of the teams north of Sacramento will ever get a look at a state title game unless they schedule some HIGH HIGH HIGH quality none league opponents. Vacaville was a good start. Unfortunately, Vacaville got blown out against the top two teams in the SJS.
That, my friend, is the reality of your argument. But, I applaud your bravery.
First off, this is the same issue we have with the basketball playoffs every year. The North section gets their top 2 teams in the Norcals. The better seed gets a home game, with some team from the Bay Area having to go up there. It is usually a huge blowout. The North has always been a "second tier" section. I don't ever recall a team from that section winning anything.
Now for football...Those teams are good...For THAT area. And I stress using "that area." I looked up Enterprise on Maxpreps. Yes, they only lost one game. But, they lost to Vacaville. Vacaville lost to Grant, who got SMASHED by Folsom in the Norcal finals. Vacaville also lost to Oakridge, who also got BLOWN OUT against Folsom.
I understand you live up there and you probably have kids on those teams. I got it. But, the difference between the competition and the quality of kids in the North section versus the SJS is laughable. None of the teams north of Sacramento will ever get a look at a state title game unless they schedule some HIGH HIGH HIGH quality none league opponents. Vacaville was a good start. Unfortunately, Vacaville got blown out against the top two teams in the SJS.
That, my friend, is the reality of your argument. But, I applaud your bravery.
gfishback,
Wow, how enlightening. Your use of profanity is much welcomed, although very laughable at this point. You can't be serious about those teams from the North!?
The best comparison is a team like Boise State smoking everyone in the WAC, going undefeated, and saying we should have been in the National title game against Alabama. Like Keyshawn Johnson says- "C'mon mannnnn!"
The North section is the worst section...by far...in CA!
Wow, how enlightening. Your use of profanity is much welcomed, although very laughable at this point. You can't be serious about those teams from the North!?
The best comparison is a team like Boise State smoking everyone in the WAC, going undefeated, and saying we should have been in the National title game against Alabama. Like Keyshawn Johnson says- "C'mon mannnnn!"
The North section is the worst section...by far...in CA!
I posted this in the secret agent thread..I figured I would post it in here as well...G61 was claiming its simple to stop DLS run game because their passing game isnt as much of a threat as it was in previous years..and all you have to do is stack the box and make them one dimensional....
These are the passing stats for DLS against Folsom...In
2012 DLS was 5-11 125 yds 1 td. In 2013 they were 4-5 83 yds 0
tds...Point is DLS has not had to throw the ball to defeat Folsom...Now I
get DLS wasnt as much of a threat to throw the ball this year, but they
were a better run offense than the previous 2 years. So If the inferior
Folsom defense couldnt stop the inferior DLS rushing attack I dont see
how you can say the superior Folsom defense could stop the superior DLS
rushing attack. If its as simple as stacking the box to make DLS one
dimensional why didnt they do that the previous two years? The fact that
they have yet to do it would worry me. Im not trying to use the results
of the past years to determine the results if they were to play this
year but more so the scheme. DLS has the scheme down on how to defeat
Folsoms offense and they have executed it proving it to be the key. If
Folsom could do something as simple as stacking the box and making them
be one dimensional to win why hasnt it worked? Pretty simple scheme yet
they have yet to execute it..Maybe it isnt a very good scheme? Seems you
have to be fast and physical to defeat DLS, While Folsom was improved
in those two categories from previous years, did they improve enough to
defeat DLS?
These are the passing stats for DLS against Folsom...In
2012 DLS was 5-11 125 yds 1 td. In 2013 they were 4-5 83 yds 0
tds...Point is DLS has not had to throw the ball to defeat Folsom...Now I
get DLS wasnt as much of a threat to throw the ball this year, but they
were a better run offense than the previous 2 years. So If the inferior
Folsom defense couldnt stop the inferior DLS rushing attack I dont see
how you can say the superior Folsom defense could stop the superior DLS
rushing attack. If its as simple as stacking the box to make DLS one
dimensional why didnt they do that the previous two years? The fact that
they have yet to do it would worry me. Im not trying to use the results
of the past years to determine the results if they were to play this
year but more so the scheme. DLS has the scheme down on how to defeat
Folsoms offense and they have executed it proving it to be the key. If
Folsom could do something as simple as stacking the box and making them
be one dimensional to win why hasnt it worked? Pretty simple scheme yet
they have yet to execute it..Maybe it isnt a very good scheme? Seems you
have to be fast and physical to defeat DLS, While Folsom was improved
in those two categories from previous years, did they improve enough to
defeat DLS?
Enterprise or any of those teams would have been blown out 80-0 with a running clock in the 4th quarter. There would need to be a ton of medical personnel on site to treat all the players from the North.
It is a different game up here son... When you are ready for the big boys, make sure to schedule them. The difference in athletes between the Northern section and the SJS would be like a freshman team trying to play varsity. It would get ugly. Fast.
Next!
It is a different game up here son... When you are ready for the big boys, make sure to schedule them. The difference in athletes between the Northern section and the SJS would be like a freshman team trying to play varsity. It would get ugly. Fast.
Next!
gfishback,
I think you have been smoking a little too much of that Shasta County weed. That argument is the worst one I have every heard on here. The whole Northern section always gets steamrolled when they play anyone from outside the section.
It is probably due to the breeding up there. Doing drugs during a pregnancy usually causes birth defects
I think you have been smoking a little too much of that Shasta County weed. That argument is the worst one I have every heard on here. The whole Northern section always gets steamrolled when they play anyone from outside the section.
It is probably due to the breeding up there. Doing drugs during a pregnancy usually causes birth defects
While I also agree that the DLS passing game wasnt as good as the previous years. That is just an opinion because the stats suggest it was just another passing year for DLS...In 2012 the team was 78-153 1470yds 13 tds 2ints..In 2013 the team was 71-140 1320 yds 9tds and 5ints..This year the team was 66-128 1313 11tds 7ints...Now Sweeney was obviously more of a threat to pass but his numbers werent very impressive compared to Vanderklugt...Once again I agree that the 2 previous years DLS had a better passing game but the numbers suggest they werent that far off.
thehookup,
You have a valid argument...
What I am trying to say is, how can DLS beat a team like Folsom going with ONLY the run? Wouldn't Folsom just stack the box and slow them down!? You saw that CC did to DLS's defense. Can you imagine that Folsom would have done!?
Take the bias out of it and look at it objectively...
You have a valid argument...
What I am trying to say is, how can DLS beat a team like Folsom going with ONLY the run? Wouldn't Folsom just stack the box and slow them down!? You saw that CC did to DLS's defense. Can you imagine that Folsom would have done!?
Take the bias out of it and look at it objectively...
You know that you're helping me make my point? So, you obviously know we would lose.
I can say with confidences that we would kick your ass, but w'e'll NEVER know because "everyone who thinks" they are "experts" won't alow a playoff. It's just biased BS. I graduated from Rio in Sacramento in 85. I'm not against teams down there, I just know there's a bias against our teams and players up here. I've seen a number of players who ar D-1 players and teams completely ignored by the "experts." I formed a 7 on 7 team with Shaq Thompcom, James Sample an my Son. I know talent. There's talent up here that the experts ignore until they go to Butte. It's okay,but BS
This post was edited on 12/24 2:41 PM by gfishback
This post was edited on 12/24 2:45 PM by gfishback
I can say with confidences that we would kick your ass, but w'e'll NEVER know because "everyone who thinks" they are "experts" won't alow a playoff. It's just biased BS. I graduated from Rio in Sacramento in 85. I'm not against teams down there, I just know there's a bias against our teams and players up here. I've seen a number of players who ar D-1 players and teams completely ignored by the "experts." I formed a 7 on 7 team with Shaq Thompcom, James Sample an my Son. I know talent. There's talent up here that the experts ignore until they go to Butte. It's okay,but BS
This post was edited on 12/24 2:41 PM by gfishback
This post was edited on 12/24 2:45 PM by gfishback
You saw what CC's offense did to DLS' defense by utilizing the QB runs off the read option. Because DLS had to respect what both QB's could do with their legs, it opened up things for their RB's. Can Browning do that??? You talk about objectivity but continue to ignore certain things. He can't hurt DLS by using his legs when there is no one open either as Waller (Servite) and the Byrnes QB did several times.
The team that will beat DLS will be a team that has a dual threat QB of the CAM Newton mode. Someone who can make something of nothing.
Browning is a bit small and is going to be another Colt Brenan of Hawaii. He had his chance against DLS 2 years ago and failed.
I'd like to see Folsom work their way up the ladder and play Nor Cal teams as Clayton Valley and Campo. Looking at comparative scores, Clayton played DLS better than Folsom did. I think Clayton deserves to be on DLS's schedule more than Folsom frankly.
Browning is a bit small and is going to be another Colt Brenan of Hawaii. He had his chance against DLS 2 years ago and failed.
I'd like to see Folsom work their way up the ladder and play Nor Cal teams as Clayton Valley and Campo. Looking at comparative scores, Clayton played DLS better than Folsom did. I think Clayton deserves to be on DLS's schedule more than Folsom frankly.
G61 posted on 12/24/2014...
thehookup,
You have a valid argument...
What I am trying to say is, how can DLS beat a team like Folsom going with ONLY the run? Wouldn't Folsom just stack the box and slow them down!? You saw that CC did to DLS's defense. Can you imagine that Folsom would have done!?
Take the bias out of it and look at it objectively...[/B]
G61, you have suggested often, as you did above, that we should look at these two teams without bias.
Good suggestion.
Others have.
Here is a compilation of several polls on HS football. Folsom did quite well, and deservedly so. But you will notice none of the polls ranked Folsom ahead of DLS.
http://nationalhsfootball.com/2014/12/bishop-gorman-clings-to-no-1-in-media-compilation/
Now, how objective are you willing to be?
This post was edited on 12/26 1:56 PM by mvsact
thehookup,
You have a valid argument...
What I am trying to say is, how can DLS beat a team like Folsom going with ONLY the run? Wouldn't Folsom just stack the box and slow them down!? You saw that CC did to DLS's defense. Can you imagine that Folsom would have done!?
Take the bias out of it and look at it objectively...[/B]
G61, you have suggested often, as you did above, that we should look at these two teams without bias.
Good suggestion.
Others have.
Here is a compilation of several polls on HS football. Folsom did quite well, and deservedly so. But you will notice none of the polls ranked Folsom ahead of DLS.
http://nationalhsfootball.com/2014/12/bishop-gorman-clings-to-no-1-in-media-compilation/
Now, how objective are you willing to be?
This post was edited on 12/26 1:56 PM by mvsact
Not sure if Folsom would beat DLS, but it would have been a great game and a close one for sure. And their is something to be said about a team that is that good that doesn't have to take "Bart" to get to school....no offense to DLS and their fans, DLS is a Great team, but their is something to be said about a team like Folsom who can be that good and win with their OWN year after year.... DLS puts together an all star fantasy football team year after year because they can...they should only play teams that are allowed to do the same.
G61, I would have hoped you would have taken the opportunity to compliment another state championship winning public school, Campolindo. Instead, you state "Folsom would have blown out Campolindo by 60." No doubt both De La Salle and Folsom have much more depth, befitting the difference in enrollment in Folsom's case, and the luxury of open enrollment in De La Salle's case. Clearly both schools would have taken care of business against Campo this season, no doubt.
Doubtful Campolindo will ever schedule teams such as Folsom or De La Salle; no need to. The gauntlet that is D3 in northern California is formidable enough.
Doubtful Campolindo will ever schedule teams such as Folsom or De La Salle; no need to. The gauntlet that is D3 in northern California is formidable enough.
G61!!! Your posts are a disgrace to not only everyone outside of Folsom"s circle but also to everyone inside of it!!! It is becoming embarrassing! Probably won't see much of you next season just as we have not seen or heard much of you the last 2 seasons. The season is over now and Folsom had a great one. Stop ruining it. Thats the problem. You are a great example of how one needs to be taught how to win.
Jimmy- Correct. Wouldn't make any sense to play CV. I would love to see them play a Servite, Jserra, Bishop Amat, or somebody of that caliber from the south. Give them credit for playing Cathedral Catholic. I mean they did end up 10-2 even though Folsom killed them. But Folsom would have killed just about everybody last year. Drop Pleasant Grove and pick up somebody decent. What about an NCS school like SRV or Pitt?
G61- Your argument has a serious flaw...DLS has spent the past 30+ years being one dimensional on offense and have have faced far better defenses over that time (Poly, Mater Dei, CC, to name a few) than Folsom. They could have loaded the box against this offense and DLS would have scored their points. As many people have pointed out over the past year on various threads DLS loses to Elite defenses, and Folsom's D wasn't on that level this year.
Folsom's defense IS elite!
Folsom NEVER gave up more than 21 points ALL SEASON!
DLS gave up 21 or more points 4 times, including giving up 42 in the state title game!!
Those were all to teams who had offense's that were nowhere near the same caliber of Folsom. Imagine how many points Folsom would have dropped on DLS!? And your only argument is, "They don't have a running QB!"
C'monnnnn mannnn! LOL
Folsom NEVER gave up more than 21 points ALL SEASON!
DLS gave up 21 or more points 4 times, including giving up 42 in the state title game!!
Those were all to teams who had offense's that were nowhere near the same caliber of Folsom. Imagine how many points Folsom would have dropped on DLS!? And your only argument is, "They don't have a running QB!"
C'monnnnn mannnn! LOL
CVC played DLS each other during the 2013 season and the score was 34-14, 21-14 at half. I believe they blew out Folsom 45-17 later that season. Granted Folsom had there best season ever, but that is every season for DLS.
To G61:
You're an idiot. The "DLS rule" was instituted so Folsom wouldn't be sitting at home after a third consecutive loss to DLS. The rule was pushed by the Sac-Joaquin Section, not DLS.
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This post was edited on 1/23 9:35 AM by stanscript
You're an idiot. The "DLS rule" was instituted so Folsom wouldn't be sitting at home after a third consecutive loss to DLS. The rule was pushed by the Sac-Joaquin Section, not DLS.
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This post was edited on 1/23 9:35 AM by stanscript
You need to remember that G61 actually lives in the Del Paso area of Sacramento, and knows nothing of the city of Folsom or their football team. As he stated in his original post, he is just making up everything about a Folsom team he has never watched.
Ha ha
Since when is Folsom some luxurious place? If you lived in the City, Los Gatos, Danville, Menlo Atherton, Woodside, etc then you can be talking. Hell the Berkeley and Oakland Hills have a much better view than Folsom. What are you looking at? The Prison or Intel?
