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Ingelwood High School and Folsom HS Belong in the Same Hall of Shame

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Ingelwood HS head coach Mil'von James and former Folsom head co-coaches Richardson and Taylor (I believe that is their correct names) share the dubious distinction of running up scores for glory for themselves and individual players. Those type coaches should be tossed out of coaching. In the case of Folsom it is definitely coming back to roost and don't think for a second that Ingelwood's future opponents will not hesitate to rub it in should that opportunity ever present itself.

Folsom shamelessly inflated overrated Jake Brownings' numbers, leaving him in games when they were ahead by 60+ points. Not the best way to teach young men sportsmanship.
 
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CaliforniaFan24 said:
Ingelwood HS head coach Mil'von James and former Folsom head co-coaches Richardson and Taylor (I believe that is their correct names) share the dubious distinction of running up scores for glory for themselves and individual players. Those type coaches should be tossed out of coaching. In the case of Folsom it is definitely coming back to roost and don't think for a second that Ingelwood's future opponents will not hesitate to rub it in should that opportunity ever present itself.

Folsom shamelessly inflated overrated Jake Brownings' numbers, leaving him in games when they were ahead by 60+ points. Not the best way to teach young men sportsmanship.
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Folsom actually pulled him frequently.
 
CaliforniaFan24 said:
Ingelwood HS head coach Mil'von James and former Folsom head co-coaches Richardson and Taylor (I believe that is their correct names) share the dubious distinction of running up scores for glory for themselves and individual players. Those type coaches should be tossed out of coaching. In the case of Folsom it is definitely coming back to roost and don't think for a second that Ingelwood's future opponents will not hesitate to rub it in should that opportunity ever present itself.

Folsom shamelessly inflated overrated Jake Brownings' numbers, leaving him in games when they were ahead by 60+ points. Not the best way to teach young men sportsmanship.
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I wouldn’t say these two situations are the same.
 
has anyone actually seen where a coach, admin, parent or player from morningside has made a complaint about the score?
 
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Ingelwood HS head coach Mil'von James and former Folsom head co-coaches Richardson and Taylor (I believe that is their correct names) share the dubious distinction of running up scores for glory for themselves and individual players. Those type coaches should be tossed out of coaching. In the case of Folsom it is definitely coming back to roost and don't think for a second that Ingelwood's future opponents will not hesitate to rub it in should that opportunity ever present itself.

Folsom shamelessly inflated overrated Jake Brownings' numbers, leaving him in games when they were ahead by 60+ points. Not the best way to teach young men sportsmanship.
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No disrespect.. But what is the purpose of this thread? Did Inglewood run up the score this weekend? And why reference the Folsom coaches who are no longer there? And Jake Browning was like 6-7 years ago. Please help a brotha understand..

Nevermind i just saw the other thread. Wow.. 106 points in one game.

I still dont understand the folsom connection after all these years
 
Mil’von James is a joke of a coach. He and his brother were fired a number of years ago from Hawkins High in LA for illegal recruitment and playing illegal players. He had over 40 transfers in a couple seasons. The only reason he’s the head coach at Inglewood is he somehow survived all the recent firings there for the same issues. This guy needs to go (again).
 
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has anyone actually seen where a coach, admin, parent or player from morningside has made a complaint about the score?
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do you need some documented statement from the other side before it makes it a classless and d bag move? Some things you don’t do. and as a former player you don’t remember these games. You remember the good ones and the close wins/losses. This teaches nothing except how pathetic some people sink too.

As for the Folsom comparison they did get some pretty inflated stats during that era but nothing like this.
 
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No disrespect.. But what is the purpose of this thread? Did Inglewood run up the score this weekend? And why reference the Folsom coaches who are no longer there? And Jake Browning was like 6-7 years ago. Please help a brotha understand..

Nevermind i just saw the other thread. Wow.. 106 points in one game.

I still dont understand the folsom connection after all these years
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I think there is relevance since it was obvious in the Jake Browning era that he was left in games to inflate his stats, although not to the point of 106 points in one game. Folsom bears a somewhat resemblance to Ingelwood for their "pouring it on" mentality, and both the former Folsom co-coaches deserve to be mentioned bacause of the way they kept their first string in games, even when ahead by 50+ points.
 
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CaliforniaFan24 said:
I think there is relevance since it was obvious in the Jake Browning era that he was left in games to inflate his stats, although not to the point of 106 points in one game. Folsom bears a somewhat resemblance to Ingelwood for their "pouring it on" mentality, and both the former Folsom co-coaches deserve to be mentioned bacause of the way they kept their first string in games, even when ahead by 50+ points.
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I don’t agree with what they did on that front and how stupid/subborn they were when they wouldn’t kick on 4th down against DLS. Remember that? Sorry Folsom you aren’t playing antelope. All time stupidity and pure arrogance. But that ship has long sailed and Folsom has more issues now to worry about.
 
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I don’t agree with what they did on that front and how stupid/subborn they were when they wouldn’t kick on 4th down against DLS. Remember that? Sorry Folsom you aren’t playing antelope. All time stupidity and pure arrogance. But that ship has long sailed and Folsom has more issues now to worry about.
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Yeah that ship sailed. It’s been a couple weeks now since they were beating teams by 45-50 plus points. Nothing has changed give them the chance they will run it up.
 
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do you need some documented statement from the other side before it makes it a classless and d bag move? Some things you don’t do. and as a former player you don’t remember these games. You remember the good ones and the close wins/losses. This teaches nothing except how pathetic some people sink too.

As for the Folsom comparison they did get some pretty inflated stats during that era but nothing like this.
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larry. i know you are tougher than that. i been on the side of 0 and 106. when i walked in the door my father said, "what time we going to the gym in the morning, because #10 was bustin yo blank last night." if i cant prevent my opponent from scoring and if he does score and i am in my feelings i should just go sit in the stands. i know larry bird took no prisoners i thought you would have the same.
 
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Inglewood has 7 players signed to D1 scholarships already. that is impressive. the coach is doing something right.
 
Why run up the score like that with ur starters ? Pull the starters and let the other guys who work hard in practice some minutes they deserve to play getting the starters ready all week putting in the effort too
 
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Why run up the score like that with ur starters ? Pull the starters and let the other guys who work hard in practice some minutes they deserve to play getting the starters ready all week putting in the effort too
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Absolutely.
A good ass kicking is something we all need ankleassasin. No argument here. But this was nuts. Plus you run risk of having top dogs get hurt. Get your scout team some solid reps because you never know when you will need them.
 
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We live in a very sensitive America now a days. I remember a time when you learned from your mistakes, failures, and or short comings. You figure out what went wrong and work harder at it. Put in more time, effort, listen to those with more experience, study harder, etc. You use failure as a motivation to be successful next time. Now, all you have to do is complain to the right people and someone comes along and tells how much they feel sorry for you and how you were mistreated. I have worked with kids for about 20 years now. From a group home administrator to a private school administrator. The common denominator to those who failed, was attitude. An attitude shaped by those around them that accept failure. Make excuses for them. Normalize failure. Cuddled them. Adults project too much of themselves on kids. Let them live and learn. Even if the lesson is uncomfortable and hard to accept. What is politically correct for these kids now, may not be whats in there best interest later as an adults. Sit down and have those tough conversations. You lost because you werent good enough on that day. You stayed out too late the night before. You didnt practice hard enough. You didn't know all the plays. You missed weight class or film study. You were distracted by your girlfriend. You need to eat better. You need to trust your teammates. You need to hydrate and stretch more. You need to learn how to finish plays. You need to pay attention or listen more. You need to be more committed. You need more reps. I can do more as a coach. My game plan wasnt up to par. I missed a few play calls. I should have made better adjustments. I need to break down the film better. I need to trust my coordinators more and let them coach. Maybe coach up my coaches more...etc, etc.. Identify the issue and look for solutions. Thats a teachable moment for a child. Apologizing because someone worked harder or was more committed than you on that day is silly and doesnt teach the players at MS much. On the flip side it tells IW, who may have done everything right for the first time, they are wrong. And so what if you leave your starters in. Maybe they have a lot of seniors, maybe not. You cant trust someone to coach, motivate, support, and empower your kids only to blast the coach when you dont like his decision to leave players in. Have a back bone and support your coaching staff. Im sure at ever game there are administrators from each school. Why didnt he tell the coach to call off the dogs at halftime? Why didnt he issue an apology before the media and cif pressure? The admin was soft imo. If the cif cares so much, put in a mercy rule. Plus 50 the game is called off or the losing team remains on offense until they score again(so the kids can keep playing).

I dont know all the circumstances. Did IW finally have there best week of practice and thats why they won by so much. Did MS not have a good week of practice? Did they give up after the first few touchdowns? If so, as an adult lets talk about it. Why do give up when things get tough? What responsibilty do you take in this situation? What can we learn from this experience?

Since Cal brought up Folsom earlier, ill use them as an example. Folsom beat the it out of Vacaville several years ago. Something like 75-6. The next year they lost to Vacaville in the section championship game. Talk about motivation! Teaching! Learning! Committment! Humility! Hats off to the coaching staff, kids, and parents for making the most out of that ass whooping. And to the Folsom team that lost that year, im sure they learned a lot too. Never under estimate or over look your opponent. Practice like champs, have humility, etc.

Okay im done now.... and sorry for the rant
 
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Folsom actually pulled him frequently.
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They did sometimes. But they also left him in numerous games when they shouldn’t have. As well as other starters.

Funny, because they didn’t do that with Dano Graves in 2010. IIRC except for the 2 games against Grant Union and the SBG against Serra-Gardena, he didn’t play in Q4 all season and only played into the 2nd half on a handful of occasions.

Not really sure what caused the change with Browning and Co.

FWIW, when it comes to big time college football and professionally, I subscribe to the “don’t like it, stop them“ philosophy. I don’t believe it’s the winning team’s job to sit on the ball or remove players from the game to save their opponents dignity. I further find it ridiculous that the opponent would even expect that and/or get upset over it.

But HS sports and youth sports in general are different. Most kids that participate will never play beyond those levels. And aren’t playing on scholarship nor do they have serious pro aspirations. The talent and skill disparity between teams can also be much larger than at any other level.

HS/Youth coaches need to understand this and behave accordingly.
 
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With respect, your rant is about a perception you’ve bought into for probably a number of your own reasons. This has little to do with the Inglewood rout. We teach people to apologize when they wrong others as a sign of respect. Last Friday, I watched a principal at Colfax High make a group of students apologize to the visitors fans for taunting and disrespecting them. It wasn’t demonstrating good sportsmanship and the principal held the students accountable. Inglewood disrespected their opponents by running up the score when the coaches had a QB throw 13 TDS. Winning with humility, integrity and respect should still be a value we uphold. Inglewood made a mistake and I hope they’re owning it.
 
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Look it was just wrong what The coaches at Inglewood allowed to happen.13 TD pass’…13!! That’s 91 of 106 throwing the ball! Why? For what reason other than to rub somebody’s face in it.They also went for two when they were up 80 points!!
It’s one thing when you’re trying to keep the score down by running it and the other team can’t stop you it’s another to keep trying to score by throwing it every time.
 
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Not to say this was right to do, But I wonder what was said when on Feb. 7, 1990 Lisa Leslie of Inglewood Morningside High School scored 101 points in only 16 minutes Wednesday night against South Torrance, but any opportunity she had to break the national record of 105 points was eliminated when the basketball game was called at halftime because the opponents refused to play.
 
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Not to say this was right to do, But I wonder what was said when on Feb. 7, 1990 Lisa Leslie of Inglewood Morningside High School scored 101 points in only 16 minutes Wednesday night against South Torrance, but any opportunity she had to break the national record of 105 points was eliminated when the basketball game was called at halftime because the opponents refused to play.
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If I remember correctly when South Torrance refused to come out for the second half they were charged with technicals and Leslie took the shots and “tied” the record, but the SS later nullified the points and said the game was over at the half.
 
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Not to say this was right to do, But I wonder what was said when on Feb. 7, 1990 Lisa Leslie of Inglewood Morningside High School scored 101 points in only 16 minutes Wednesday night against South Torrance, but any opportunity she had to break the national record of 105 points was eliminated when the basketball game was called at halftime because the opponents refused to play.
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hopefully they decided to work harder on defense next time. and maybe run some of the shot clock and make a lay up or two. just maybe.
 
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They did sometimes. But they also left him in numerous games when they shouldn’t have. As well as other starters.

Funny, because they didn’t do that with Dano Graves in 2010. IIRC except for the 2 games against Grant Union and the SBG against Serra-Gardena, he didn’t play in Q4 all season and only played into the 2nd half on a handful of occasions.

Not really sure what caused the change with Browning and Co.

FWIW, when it comes to big time college football and professionally, I subscribe to the “don’t like it, stop them“ philosophy. I don’t believe it’s the winning team’s job to sit on the ball or remove players from the game to save their opponents dignity. I further find it ridiculous that the opponent would even expect that and/or get upset over it.

But HS sports and youth sports in general are different. Most kids that participate will never play beyond those levels. And aren’t playing on scholarship nor do they have serious pro aspirations. The talent and skill disparity between teams can also be much larger than at any other level.

HS/Youth coaches need to understand this and behave accordingly.
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I agree Thunder, not the winning teams job to preserve the other teams dignity. But when you're up 50 plus with a running clock.......? I remember coaching a Youth football game. and we needed 18 healthy kids to play. Got the 18th kid, so we played. Now the team we were playing was the League's best, they had a full roster (35+) and regularly had 70 plus kids trying out and had to cut 30 every year. We'd have, maybe 25 come out if we were lucky, and end up with about 20-22 on the final roster. Anyway, we played and the predictable happened. We were losing 65-0 in the fourth Q. Now, after the last score, we line up for the kickoff, and it's an ONSIDE kick.!!! We recovered, but I went ape shit. After the game in the the handshake line I asked why had they done that? The answer I got was "Well, we wanted to practice an onside kick in a game situation " I shoved that POS and we were quickly separated. Point is, some things you just don't need to do
 
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Speaking of Hall of Shame nominees.........
Am watching the Cal-Arizona game, What a Stinkeramos ! Arizona is 0-8 this season and Cal has a slew of players, including their Qb, Garbers out because they tasted (sic) positive COVID. The Bears called up their JV squad including drafting the Marching Band's 310 lb lead tuba player as center and the Band's #1 tuba player as Qb . Coach Wilcox said that Ryan the tuba player had great arm action including a quick snap that would translate well on the ball release. .
Thru the 1st half the epic clash was tied up at 0-0 with the scoreboard finally getting juiced at 3-3 by 3rd Qtr.
The announcers said that the stadium seats were NOT half empty but rather just appeared as such with many of the attending fans slumped forward in their seats sleeping.
Am saving a recording of this epic pillow fight to be replayed on those sleepless nights as a snooze aid.
If the game remains tied I think they will have to go to gradual death overtime rules .
 
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I agree Thunder, not the winning teams job to preserve the other teams dignity. But when you're up 50 plus with a running clock.......? I remember coaching a Youth football game. and we needed 18 healthy kids to play. Got the 18th kid, so we played. Now the team we were playing was the League's best, they had a full roster (35+) and regularly had 70 plus kids trying out and had to cut 30 every year. We'd have, maybe 25 come out if we were lucky, and end up with about 20-22 on the final roster. Anyway, we played and the predictable happened. We were losing 65-0 in the fourth Q. Now, after the last score, we line up for the kickoff, and it's an ONSIDE kick.!!! We recovered, but I went ape shit. After the game in the the handshake line I asked why had they done that? The answer I got was "Well, we wanted to practice an onside kick in a game situation " I shoved that POS and we were quickly separated. Point is, some things you just don't need to do
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As I said, youth and HS ball are different. What you described above is bushleague. Shouldn’t have happened. I understand why you reacted as you did.
 
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