NCS Open/D1..... the NCS should he ashamed

[kiddman32]

Ok, I'm not sure why we still have to have this discussion 20 years in, but Maxpreps does not generate the computer ratings. That comes from Calpreps. There is no 109-4 score on Calpreps for Lake Oswego.

calpreps.com

Of course there isn't... They're in Oregon. Click any of the teams on that list, it takes you to MaxPreps. I don't even know why Calpreps list any Oregon teams anywhere.

 

[Cal 14]

Lets be real....The move to 16 team brackets (for $$$) in divisions with only 24 teams back in the day led to the 1st round blowouts. U put teams in the playoffs that don't deserve it and then seed them against the powers in the division of course u are going to get blowouts. When the divisions were only 8 they were much more competitive.

For the last couple of years, the reporters for the East Bay Times have been doing video previews of each week. When it came to the playoffs, they routinely discussed how competitive the CCS playoffs were and how the NCS playoffs were not, particularly in the top divisions.

Any claim that the NCS system worked before is just gaslighting.

 

[Cal 14]

Of course there isn't... They're in Oregon. Click any of the teams on that list, it takes you to MaxPreps. I don't even know why Calpreps list any Oregon teams anywhere.

Did you... I don't know... try clicking on the link I provided?

Maybe start there.

 

[510sportsfan]

There is way too many teams that don't belong in the playoffs in the playoffs. If they want to let this many teams in, set up a 64 team bracket and let all the teams that don't belong get their butts handed to them in the first round. I think this should be the case even more so in other sports compared to football. Football they really just need to limit the number of teams in the playoffs. They have made it so there really is one true champion anyways so lets just go all in and not encourage teams to try to lose just so they end up with an easier chance of making a playoff run

 

[Streak One]

It was the schools complaining about the restrictive old CIF system that lead to this current one.

Bottom line is that someone will always complain.

For sure there will always be complaining. I just think if you limited who went on to NorCals/States (will never happen I know), then it turns into trying to play up instead of "hoping" you get sent down. That mindset which is certainly out there is part of the reason why CE gets the bad rap it has.

 

[observer22]

BVAL is way way down and EBAL is slightly down as well. The SJS is just much deeper, with the population and family centric growth out there it makes sense.

I don’t know how you can say the EBAL is down this year? Based on what? They are the top league in NorCal this year without question. Among the top 3, their only losses are when they played each other, and they’ve played a good representation of teams outside of league.

10-0 DLS is undefeated and beat 2 of the top rated teams in the CCS in Serra & SF, and also 2 of the top rated teams in the SJS in SMS & Grant.

9-1 SRV’s only loss is to DLS, and they’ve beaten 2 of the top rated teams in the CCS in SI & Soquel. They’ve also beaten the OAL champ Mack by 37, and CVC handily.

8-2 Cal’s only 2 losses are to DLS & SRV. They played SRV close in league, and have also beaten a good SJS team Monterey Trail by 14, SJS playoff team Patterson by 17, and normally strong James Logan by 32. Cal High RB Jhadis Luckey rushed for 7 TDs and 425 yds Friday vs Amador. He’s only a junior and leads the NCS in rushing yards.

 

[Cal 14]

For sure there will always be complaining. I just think if you limited who went on to NorCals/States (will never happen I know), then it turns into trying to play up instead of "hoping" you get sent down. That mindset which is certainly out there is part of the reason why CE gets the bad rap it has.

But I'm not sure the NCS was ever really concerned about divisions before.

If divisions were so important, how do you explain D-6 Moreau Catholic being in the same league as D-1 James Logan, San Leandro, Berkeley, and Castro Valley? Oh, because it's a private school? Ok, well D-2 Ukiah is in the same league as D-4 Analy. D-5 Alhambra is in the same league as D-2 College Park.

Why is it NCS people only get worked up over the divisions and enrollments during the playoffs?

I get the idea about how some teams end up facing weaker playoff competition than other (the phrase I've used is "Sometimes you win by losing"), but to their credit, I don't think we've seen widespread evidence of teams tanking games in order to be placed in lower divisions.

 

[3Yards&ACloudOfDust]

This is what led to CE. When in reality if they stop putting EVERY team that could walk and chew gum into the playoffs we wouldn't have needed it.

A couple of easy fixes would be:
1. Not allow a team to move down a division.
2. For division 7, no schools can have an enrollment greater than 700, and 1100 for D6.
This would give the true small public schools an opportunity to compete. It would also keep teams like Montgomery, Bethel, and Petaluma from playing in D6. Arcata is the only true D6 team in that entire bracket.

 

[pantera-cat]

If the NCS wants to have an Open and force D4 schools to play D1 schools, ALL losers in the Open should be allowed to drop down to their respective divisions. Not just the championship loser.

 

[Norcalguy111]

Not very many schools moved up. Moving down is the joke. The ripple effect is that only 3 actual D7 schools made the playoffs. St Vincent, St Bernard’s, and Ferndale. There was no place for D7 schools to move down to so they didn’t make it at all. Willits was 8-2 and missed NCS.

Do the math. Look at where the NCS commissioner had his teaching/coaching/AD career. Look who benefits the most. The BVAL gets to avoid the DLS machine (minus Pitt) and move down to D2-D4 and the 1 league in the section who actually was created with competitive equity and all the teams played tough non league games, Redwood Empire Adobe, moved up.

Now I will admit CAL made some good points. CN and MC are solidly top 5 in NCS this year and their schedules reflect that. If CN didn’t get lemon booty at MC they could arguably be ranked 2. There just aren’t as many power larger publics in NCS right now. BVAL is way way down and EBAL is slightly down as well. The SJS is just much deeper, with the population and family centric growth out there it makes sense.

I know the NCS has the “DLS problem” and there is no easy solution. Like I’ve said before there really isn’t a school who can elevate themselves on a yearly basis to compete with them. Even Pitt is a Title I-low income school, they’ll get kids transferring in but many families avoid that environment. There’s no Folsom in the NCS. There’s no WCAL either. They’ve been alone on the mountain for 35 years and even before that for much of the 80s as well.

On a side note the Redwood leagues below the Adobe need some easy adjustments, mainly the 2 middle leagues have outliers.

Number of schools to make playoffs by division

D1: 10
D2: 11
D3: 10
D4: 9
D5: 5
D6: 7
D7: 4

EBAL is definitely not “down” besides monte vista