Watched some of their game vs PP on Youtube, rather than paying $100 for a courtside seats. Noticed a few 2015 local kids playing, Roberson & Munoz from Cordova, RIco from Berkeley HS and Davis from El Cerrito HS. Still trying to get a grasp on this Prep basketball thing. Do these kids go to school also? If so are they taking hs or college courses? Outside of the kids being bigger and stronger based off maturity, their games all looked the same, maybe a little worse in some cases. It looked like a bad Juco game
Reno International Prep
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I think we are seeing the future evolving right in front of our eyes. In 5 years, all the top HS kids will opt for Prep School. Your seeing the benefits unfold in Napa at Prolific. Kids can develop their games and compete at a high level nationwide without a state governing body dictating residency, eligibility or number of games per year. Prep schools have a lot to iron out, but it will happen. And yes, they must abandon the $100 court side seats if that is in fact true.
This future has been upon us for awhile now. The ideal model was created on the east coast with Montverde Academy, IMG Academy, Oak Hill Academy, etc... representing true prep schools that provide specialized training and high level games with very good to excellent coaching. The problem lies with quite a few fly-by-night groups making money grabs with pop up "prep" schools west of the Mississippi that are turning this model on its head. Findlay Prep has managed to buck the conceived notions but that is as good as its gotten. I've seen a few kids go to these so called prep schools and get bent over... but the dream lives on.
I'm not sure what Reno International Prep is all about but I did notice some local kids doing post prep time there. I was never a big fan of that. At that point, go the JUCO route. California has some excellent JC's with solid programs that would probably be more beneficial to the players. Some of the coaches I know put in the work and do a helluva job in getting their players opportunities to go to a 4 year school and beyond AND... it is cheaper.
I'm not going to knock Reno International, or Prolific Prep for that matter, if they're going to follow the Monteverde or Oak Hill model but if these are to become just two of the latest horror stories that are becoming prevalent on the prep school circuit, let's shut that down.
I won't ever believe that all of the best players will wind up at prep schools. There are many public and private schools that run solid programs and has their student-athletes best interest at heart. They'll continue to thrive. There are more bad situations and parents will always do what they feel is best for their children but there will never be a mass exodus. Each case will be unique.
I'm not sure what Reno International Prep is all about but I did notice some local kids doing post prep time there. I was never a big fan of that. At that point, go the JUCO route. California has some excellent JC's with solid programs that would probably be more beneficial to the players. Some of the coaches I know put in the work and do a helluva job in getting their players opportunities to go to a 4 year school and beyond AND... it is cheaper.
I'm not going to knock Reno International, or Prolific Prep for that matter, if they're going to follow the Monteverde or Oak Hill model but if these are to become just two of the latest horror stories that are becoming prevalent on the prep school circuit, let's shut that down.
I won't ever believe that all of the best players will wind up at prep schools. There are many public and private schools that run solid programs and has their student-athletes best interest at heart. They'll continue to thrive. There are more bad situations and parents will always do what they feel is best for their children but there will never be a mass exodus. Each case will be unique.
Don't know anything about Reno International, but it didn't look like a good outfit on Saturday when they played Prolific. I agree that the JUCO route would be better than going to a school like Reno International.
I also don't believe that there is any future point where all or even "almost all" of the best HS players will choose to go the prep route... Unless the high schools were to start dropping sports altogether due to expenses such as equipment, field & gym maintenance insurance, and legal risks etc. becoming too great (VERY unlikely, but not 100% impossible).
However, some of these prep programs will prove to be well-run and otherwise a solid option for kids (and their parents) will rise to the top while the less well-run programs die. Places like Montverde and Oak Hill have shown the model is certainly workable, and a strong choice for many or most of the kids who played for those teams.
Of course, mileage may vary... I've heard it's darned expensive to go to one of these prep deals, so that and the fact folks want the best for their kids means research... LOTS of research should be done by the parents considering sending a kid to a prep academy.
From all I've seen, read, and heard, Prolific seems to be run really well and does everything it can to provide its kids with educational well-being as well as a terrific opportunity to get the most out of their basketball abilities. Educationally, all its players go to Justin-Siena HS and it's been reported that their classroom performance has been excellent.
However, some of these prep programs will prove to be well-run and otherwise a solid option for kids (and their parents) will rise to the top while the less well-run programs die. Places like Montverde and Oak Hill have shown the model is certainly workable, and a strong choice for many or most of the kids who played for those teams.
Of course, mileage may vary... I've heard it's darned expensive to go to one of these prep deals, so that and the fact folks want the best for their kids means research... LOTS of research should be done by the parents considering sending a kid to a prep academy.
From all I've seen, read, and heard, Prolific seems to be run really well and does everything it can to provide its kids with educational well-being as well as a terrific opportunity to get the most out of their basketball abilities. Educationally, all its players go to Justin-Siena HS and it's been reported that their classroom performance has been excellent.
I am aware of the Montverdes, Oak Hills & Findlay preps of the world. I'm asking about the education for the 2015 kids. Are they taking classes? HS or college courses? Seems like a grey shirt yr where all they do is play ball & workout. These guys will be 19/20 y/o on the aau circuit this spring. I have a hard time believing prep teams ( can we please stop calling them schools) recruit top talent & expect the kids/families to pay 20-30k.
Regarding the 5th year prep option compared to JUCO, am I correct in understanding that the rule now requires a student to do 2 years in junior college before transferring to a D1 school? If so, does that mean that if a player thinks he'll get a D1 offer after 1 year at a 5th year prep, he will not have to do 2 years in junior college and he'll have 4 years of eligibility left?
Two things... You're immediate question about 2 years at juco, if you are a academic non qualifier then you have to do 2 years at juco. If qualifier you can leave after 1 year.
I understand what you guys are saying about the prep thing and ?mansf this falls in line with you, if you go prep route, you do not lose a year of college eligibility. So that right there is a big deal. Also if a player is a non qualifier they have an opportunity to get qualified by going to a 5th year prep school which would save 2 years of eligibility.
That is my understanding unless there has been some very recent NCAA eligibility changes. the only eligibility changes I have seen are that PSAs are required to have 2.3 and core classes must be completed by end of junior year. No more back loading core classes senior year (with some exceptions).
This reply is in response to the last 2 posts on the post grad prep topic. I'm speaking from my perspective only. My son graduated in 2015 at age 17 and is attending Montverde Academy Post Grad school. They take 5 classes per day but the classes don't earn college credit. He's taking the next level of classes from what he took his senior year. Most of the west coast post grad prep school kids take online Juco classes but don't take a full load so Their clock doesn't start. If you are a qualifier out of high school you can go Juco for 1 year then go on to a 4 year school. If you're not a qualifier then you have to graduate from a Juco with ur AA degree. Some kids still do Juco after doing a post grad year. Hope this info helps.
I'm watching cal vs Zona.
The best players in this game all went to high schools whether private or public.
Gabe York- Orange Lutheran
Ivan Rabb- odowd
Jordan Mathews - Santa Monica
Jabari Bird - Salesian
Ryan Andwrson- LBP
Jaylen Brown
Jerome Wallace
These guys will play professionally somewhere and they didn't need any prep school. If you are good and can play they will find u.
The best players in this game all went to high schools whether private or public.
Gabe York- Orange Lutheran
Ivan Rabb- odowd
Jordan Mathews - Santa Monica
Jabari Bird - Salesian
Ryan Andwrson- LBP
Jaylen Brown
Jerome Wallace
These guys will play professionally somewhere and they didn't need any prep school. If you are good and can play they will find u.
One of the problems in some of the posts is the term prep school. That is not correct. If you want to call them a sports academy, that would be much more accurate.
Too many kids who are NON qualifiers going to prep school. Basically spending upwards of 30k to put off juco for a year. Prep only works for kids who are NCAA eligible as a senior and maybe need another year to improve. Or for a scholarship level athlete who needs 1 class to become eligible. Prep school is not a magic wand either, development takes time. Hard to go from no offers to scholly level in 10 months,,,,,
I live here and love our home but at the SAME time I'm sorry, but that is just wrong. NO state does worse in producing college basketball players than California. NONE. It's just a joke IF you know the real data.
In a couple of seconds, I was able to find this graphic (http://mode.github.io/blog/2014-01-24-sports-hometowns-update/county.html) that clearly shows:
- Just how bad a job California does in producing college basketball players (look at all the blue)
- the places that DO produce college basketball players (darker shades of orange and red)
- Northern Virginia/DC (WCAC)
- Middle of southern Virginia (Oak Hill)
- Northwest of Orlando (Montverde)
- Middle of nowhere Kentucky (La Lumiere (sp))
- The "band" between Durham/Chapel Hill and Winston-Salem (YES)
- and on, and on, and on
Welcome any alternative arguments. That is what these boards are for.
Cannot argue with reality. Based upon population, California:
- SHOULD produce approximately 3,145 college basketball players
- DID produce 2,420 players
- The deficit indicated is the worst in the US
- Approximately 3.17% of recruits in the ACC
- Approximately 3.29% of recruits in the Big East
- Approximately 1.96% of recruits in the SEC
Guess where they recruit from?
Guess where they are NOT recruiting from?
It's NOT a "diss", just reality.
Your definition of prep school is completely incorrect which is why your statements are in error.
And don't forget soccer players. More soccer players in California, and probably more hobbyist making home brew.
I do agree that the prep model is becoming more prevalent for various reasons having to do with opportunity and coaching. Europe and South America just recruit star athletes when they are 12 to be in pro soccer development teams sponsored by the team. American pro teams have development academies. It's now really hard to find many non academy soccer athletes getting college rides on the mens side of the game. And that shift is only about 5 years old. Not surprised with all of the money in basketball that preps are getting traction.
I do agree that the prep model is becoming more prevalent for various reasons having to do with opportunity and coaching. Europe and South America just recruit star athletes when they are 12 to be in pro soccer development teams sponsored by the team. American pro teams have development academies. It's now really hard to find many non academy soccer athletes getting college rides on the mens side of the game. And that shift is only about 5 years old. Not surprised with all of the money in basketball that preps are getting traction.
I have no idea what that guy is talking about. The year UCLA won the national championship in hoops with Harick/Lavin there starting 5 was from within 30 miles of campus.
Tyus Edney- Long Beach Poly
Toby Bailey- Loyola -LA
Obannon' Brothers- Artesia
Kris Johnson- Crenshaw
Jr Henderson was there out of state recruit from Bakersfield.
In any given year USC can fill there entire football roster with kids 25 miles or less from campus and compete at a national level.
There are no state hoop championships even close to California when you look at the total talent. I've been going for 25+ years in a row and its a college coach mecca.
Info- Good analogy on the soccer circuit. Its only a matter of time. There are going to be some shady ones run and then of course some classy outfits. Look at the leaders and there backgrounds. Do your homework people.
Tyus Edney- Long Beach Poly
Toby Bailey- Loyola -LA
Obannon' Brothers- Artesia
Kris Johnson- Crenshaw
Jr Henderson was there out of state recruit from Bakersfield.
In any given year USC can fill there entire football roster with kids 25 miles or less from campus and compete at a national level.
There are no state hoop championships even close to California when you look at the total talent. I've been going for 25+ years in a row and its a college coach mecca.
Info- Good analogy on the soccer circuit. Its only a matter of time. There are going to be some shady ones run and then of course some classy outfits. Look at the leaders and there backgrounds. Do your homework people.
1995!!!! REALLY???
FYI, NONE of those athletes had any career in the NBA.
If this is the counterpoint the issue is already over.
WRT USC, they can still recruit from within 25 miles AND compete but the does NOT change the fact they are not producing the number of elite players they should...
Come on. This is not even a PAC12 discussion.
Where does REAL recruiting occur? NOT in California historically.
When does the denial stop and helping the kids start???
Prep Schools are the future. But its sad, after watching HS games over the last few weeks with all the fans, student sections, spirit squad, ect.. It would be a shame for any HS age kid in any sport to miss out on that.
So, after a few weeks what do we see............
- PAC12 devastated in the first round of the tournament........
- No team representation from Northern California......
- Minimal player representation from Northern California........
Check out the teams still in the Trny. You will see more than half are prep school kids. Oak Hill, Findlay, Brewster, Huntington ect. Dukes PG is from Findlay, D. Thornton
