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Bad day for the "FIGHTIN IRISH". 48-0 final. 82 total yards and only 4 first downs.
The most significant stats are not the lopsided halftime or final scores.
Current WCAL losing streak: 19 games over four seasons
Current Non-SF Schools WCAL losing streak: Seven years
 
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I think SHC has. Longer losing record within the WCAL that took them out of the league.

SHC will stay the bottom of the pile until they revamp....

Good luck Cole and ain't hard Irish Cheers to live with season for season?
 
Allegedly revamping with frosh and soph classes. However I do see Crusaders receiving some bump from 7th and th grade classes based on this year's team. That's if school stays solvent. Hard to stay solvent with alumni failing to give back financially with any degree. SH may (?) be find some success in the form of up to three league win season in a few years. Hard to build any kind program without big uglies up front and no on site facilities. It is what it is.
 
Allegedly revamping with frosh and soph classes. However I do see Crusaders receiving some bump from 7th and th grade classes based on this year's team. That's if school stays solvent. Hard to stay solvent with alumni failing to give back financially with any degree. SH may (?) be find some success in the form of up to three league win season in a few years. Hard to build any kind program without big uglies up front and no on site facilities. It is what it is.
The "solvency" issue has been put to bed. Col Henry tried his best to propagate the rumor for whatever reason. By the way, the (our) best BB gym in the WCAL to watch a game has been refurbished including a new scoreboard.
 
The solvency question remains very real. Hence the need for boarders paying double the normal rate, with the excess (something approaching $750,000 or maybe even more) used to fund (and to free up other monies) a variety of purposes, including tuition reductions for needy students. Because Riordan's endowment is so minimal, as noted above, that extra money comes in handy. There is no papering over Riordan's financial issue. It's a fact of life. The school's authorities are doing their best to keep the school viable. No one wants to see it go under.
 
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You are showing your ignorance now. What you want the situation to be rather than the reality.
 
These reported numbers are like the Reblican Congress trying to deny the Obama rebuild solution for our Economy,

Always short and aways negative...

In the next two years, please stay tuned to complete facilitiex update...one does not farm out games to bring them back to inferiors facilities. The Crusader Fourm update is completed.

And when ur boarding program is being sought throughout pacific, if not only means $. It means athletes too.

There is a new attitude on Phelan Ave, & solvency is a used marking tool that other faith based school use to fool thier Administration to keep doing what their doing?

Hasn't anyone heard, "if you build it they will come". They probably miss the email from public Jr, schools in the city funnel Student/Athletes to the New ARHS...
 
Solvency questions were very real 4 years ago. No longer. 700+ male current enrollment from a low 5 years ago <600. A boarding school that is at full capacity and leadership in place for 3+ years that has a new AD, biz dev director, hiring of additional faculty/staff/coaches and facility improvement projects now underway. Riordan football seemingly in the news everyday, SF's only hs marching band and only all-male Catholic high school in the City. There are many more prestigious SF prep schools with increased enrollment as most of the parents have no ties to the City as in year's past (I.e Stuart Hall, University, etc) taking SI candidates, thus SI now being Marin Catholic-North and SHC having more girls than boys. Nice try.
 
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Great added points Jordan,

I get the impression of deflection on this issue...

I always wondered why Bro. Ron who went into retirement from SMC was pulled out to lead SHC?

Solvency of other issues on Ellis?

We Are One...We R Riordan.
 
The "solvency" issue has been put to bed. Col Henry tried his best to propagate the rumor for whatever reason. By the way, the (our) best BB gym in the WCAL to watch a game has been refurbished including a new scoreboard.

I don't recall a new scoreboard ever affecting the outcome of any game, player's effort, or desire to go watch a game, or enhancing anything relative to the sport. Stop playing Riordan Sim City.
 
Finances are an issue at Riordan as reflected in the recent teachers contract signed by the Archdiocese. As noted in the Catholic newspaper, Riordan teachers received a significantly lower raise than their counterparts at the other schools. The article noted it was due to the financial condition of the school. Also heard, that upward of 60 to 70 percent of students at Riordan were on some sort of financial aid help leading to their financial problem.
 
Simply put, the boarding program has saved Riordan. This is a good thing. It also saved the Archdiocese from having to (or put off) making a tough decision. Riordan definitely has a niche in the SF Archdiocese: single sex alternative and reputable Resource Program catering to students with scholastic need assistance. The school's demographic also demands generous financial aid packages. The problem is unless the endowment is set up, the programs finances will inevitably be strained. Riordan alum who benefited from that program need to give back. But if you have been giving assistance to well-deserved student from families in need, do they have the resources to give back in time? This is where Riordan is running into problems. The Archdiocese I am sure will help out, but only as a last resort and a strain on their other schools. Riordan alum have to step up outside of the sports arena. True, a lot of whole-sale changes have been made with administration. Baby-steps should be commended.
 
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With all of the back and forth about SHC vs Riordan, it's ironic that the boarding program that's keeping Riordan afloat was instituted by an SH alum, Patrick Daly - Riordan's former President. Baby steps for sure. Now can't we all just get along?:cool:
 
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Please don't think ARHS is not the only faith based school on the city with 60+ aide being given. Given the ethnic diversity only SI for not have that much aide out there.

Connections to CCSF with vocational programs and already discussed boarding. New revenue sources are being established.

Go ARHS

We Are One...We R Riordan
 
With all of the back and forth about SHC vs Riordan, it's ironic that the boarding program that's keeping Riordan afloat was instituted by an SH alum, Patrick Daly - Riordan's former President. Baby steps for sure. Now can't we all just get along?:cool:
...and the current Riordan President and Biz Dev Director are SI Alum. City guys ensuring that Riordan endures. Interesting when Riordan experiences success the haters start the solvency threads. Let's stick to prep sports!
 
...and the current Riordan President and Biz Dev Director are SI Alum. City guys ensuring that Riordan endures. Interesting when Riordan experiences success the haters start the solvency threads. Let's stick to prep sports!

+5
 
Anyways, is Riordan ready for prime time Friday Nite Lights in the 408????
 
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"Rikfran, post: 60020, member: 932[/B]"]Finances are an issue at Riordan as reflected in the recent teachers contract signed by the Archdiocese. As noted in the Catholic newspaper, Riordan teachers received a significantly lower raise than their counterparts at the other schools. The article noted it was due to the financial condition of the school. Also heard, that upward of 60 to 70 percent of students at Riordan were on some sort of financial aid help leading to their financial problem.


Rikfan - I had the same impression as yourself regarding such figures as 60-70% of students getting financial aid some years ago. I then found out such figures were not out of line with some of the other schools, for example Serra who has a large majority of students on some sort of financial aid in order to be able to attend the school [and none of it is for athletic scholarships ]. As long as the endowment funds continue to be stable and show healthy growth then you'll continue to see these Catholic schools offer aid to students in need of it.
 
True but Riordan doesn't have alums like Tom Brady who not only give back financially but solicit Serra alums to give back too YouTube Serra last fundraiser with tom Brady speaking. Even I thought about giving. Again if Jesuits are now in charge of the money at Riordan, they will find a way to survive and prosper.
 
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Yes CityVibesII it certainly doesn;t hurt to have Tom Brady speaking at your fund raiser dinner [and at length] helping out his old alma mater. Tom Himself donated $100,00 that last dinner. I like the story of about 6-7 years ago when Brady won the Super Bowl MVP & the prize was a custom Cadillac with his name plate on it which he donated for the auction. The tickets were I think $25 each or 5 for $100 - I got so juiced up over the idea of a Cadillac with Tom Brady's name I bought a $100 bucks of tickets. Funny they sold tickets like crazy even up in Canada, but the most tickets were bought by New England fans on the east coast far away from little Serra High. Good ending to this story though as some regular old Serra alum struggling along like most of us won which made all the locals happy. Not sure but think he sold it for the $$$.
I heard that auction raised something like $800K which isn;t too shabby 6-7 years ago. Go Patriot's! ;)
 
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I was interested, so I looked up info on both schools with respect to fianncial aid. Serra has 32% of its students on financial with an average financial aid grant of $8,700. Riordan has 45% on financial aid with an average grant per student of $4,500. This is from privateschoolreview.com.
 
I think SHC has. Longer losing record within the WCAL that took them out of the league.

Good luck Cole and ain't hard Irish Cheers to live with season for season?

I've seen worse. After five seasons out of the league, SHC had four winning seasons in a row, including two undefeated. Currently, the re-vamping includes more students accepted and bigger, more talented rosters on the football teams. Granted, I'm not expecting 60+ player rosters as the southern schools routinely get but there is more talent on the way in the coming seasons which will silence the Fool-bo types.

Also, expect more practice space nearby at Lang Field by 2018.
 
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Allegedly revamping with frosh and soph classes. However I do see Crusaders receiving some bump from 7th and th grade classes based on this year's team. That's if school stays solvent. Hard to stay solvent with alumni failing to give back financially with any degree. SH may (?) be find some success in the form of up to a three league-win season in a few years. Hard to build any kind program without big uglies up front and no on site facilities. It is what it is.

The on-site facilities problem is solvable. They just need the AD's to do it. As it is, they've had undefeated and winless teams with that same problem, so maybe it's not as bad as people make it out to be. What's so hard about taking a bus to practice?

Going by the lower levels, Riordan's the program on the downside. Their frosh has given-up 429 points on the year

The fUBO fool can deny it all he wants, but the fact remains football is improving as much as REARdan's isn't.
 
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Great added points Jordan,

I get the impression of deflection on this issue...

I always wondered why Bro. Ron who went into retirement from SMC was pulled out to lead SHC?

Solvency of other issues on Ellis?

We Are One...We R Riordan.

Brother Ron Gallagher is interim President. I'm sure we'll hear about the next person soon enough.
 
Thing is, the on-site facilities problem is solvable. They just need the AD's to do it. As it is, they've had undefeated and winless teams with that same problem, so maybe it's not as bad as people make it out to be.

Going by the lower levels, Riordan's the team on the downside. Their frosh has given-up 348 points on the year so far.
There is no lower level class that has as much talent as this year's current senior class. There is no solvable onsite issue. And no knowledgeable person puts much stock in frosh scores. Only morons like you. Your winning seasons you keep referring to were as independents playing cupcake schedules. Which is why you should go back to independent status.
 
Rikfan - I had the same impression as yourself regarding such figures as 60-70% of students getting financial aid some years ago. I then found out such figures were not out of line with some of the other schools, for example Serra who has a large majority of students on some sort of financial aid in order to be able to attend the school [and none of it is for athletic scholarships ]. As long as the endowment funds continue to be stable and show healthy growth then you'll continue to see these Catholic schools offer aid to students in need of it.
Rmbr26 - There is concept in the tax law called "substance over form". Yes. It is not called athletic scholarships. It's called financial aid. But I can guarantee you that a lot of the stud football players and basketball players would not be in the various schools and not on financial aid if they did not play sports. In substance, they are athletic scholarships.
 
There is no lower level class that has as much talent as this year's current senior class. Your winning seasons you keep referring to were as independents playing cupcake schedules. Which is why you should go back to independent status.

Blah, blah, blah...

1994:
SHC 17, San Ramon 14
SHC 20, Serra 13
SHC 20, Riordan 18

1995:
SHC 28, Mitty 17
SHC 41, Benicia 26

1996:
SHC 21, Marin Catholic 12
SHC 18, Riordan 6

1997:
SHC 26, Riordan 25
SHC 15, Marin Catholic 12 (MC's only loss)
SHC 16, S.I. 10
SHC 14, Bellarmine 6
SHC 33, Serra 28

2005: The teams without a field went 9-1 (Varsity) 10-0 (JV's) and 8-1 (Frosh).
2008: Return to WCAL: Beat Riordan, St. Francis, Mitty and Valley Christian. Won CCS.

Some "cupcakes"... Let me know when you schedule Stuart Hall in the 8-man league. That is if Riordan doesn't drop football altogether or close first. At leas that will shut your Full-of **it pie-hole.

(BTW, OUR gym's better).
 
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[QUOTE="Rikfran, post: 60368, member: 932" - There is concept in the tax law called "substance over form". Yes. It is not called athletic scholarships. It's called financial aid. But I can guarantee you that a lot of the stud football players and basketball players would not be in the various schools and not on financial aid if they did not play sports. In substance, they are athletic scholarships.[/QUOTE]

Rikfan - if you say it and believe it then it must be true, right? This debate has come up every year I've been on here and I took the time to research it thoroughly through the schools in which the systems are specifically set up to prevent exactly what you are saying from taking place: "stud football players & basketball players would..not be on finaicial aid if they did not play sports".
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Here is an excerpt from a discussion with a person on a WCAL finance committee a few years ago.

The private schools do not "recruit" their athletes; although it's common knowledge that the coaches do "look around" but the coaches have nothing to do with admissions or financial assistance.

No student is at a high school on an athletic scholarship - it is illegal. Any money given to a student is in the form of assistance which is based strictly on the family's needs. When the application goes before the Finance Committee, nothing comes into play about the student including how good of an athlete they are. The only thing looked at is the family's financial needs (they have to supply their tax returns, and fill out an application which asks a lot of personal questions about their income, expenses, etc. ).

There is no such thing at the high school level as a "scholarship". All money given is "assistance".

Because the private schools all have a large applicant pool, they can be picky on who they accept. There is an "Admissions Committee" and also a "Finance Committee". The Admission Comm decides who is accepted or not, depending on their grades, testing, and referrals from their elementary school. The Finance Committee decides who receives assistance based on their need - this committee does not see the admissions applications which shows their grades, etc. The only thing looked at by the Finance Commiittee is the family's financial status. Each year with the cost of tuition and other related expense increasing the number of families seeking financial assistance is increasing.

There are many stories out there about ahtletic scholarships, but people just like to talk about why one team is better than another & this argument always adds spice to the discussions.
 
Fubo is nothing more than your garden variety dirtbag...a degenerate...a cyber-bully, as they call them these days.

He thrives on the failings/misery of struggling programs and enjoys seeing their fan base humiliated online. He did that for several seasons with Riordan....Mind you, I was and continue to be a jackrabbit "hater."

Fubo is the epitome of the term, scumbag...

I was watching an old WWII movie the other day which depicted the Nazi occupation of France. Had he lived there at that time, Fubo would be your typical Nazi sympathizer/collaborator who'd give up information on his own countryman just because he was a low life...and when the Allies liberated France, Fubo would tear off his swastika lapel pin and jump for joy after seeing the 1st American fight his way into Normandy. His neighbors would eventually take him out back to a serene meadow with a lone tree in the middle of it and string him up by the neck for the scumbag he always is....
 
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Fubo is nothing more than your garden variety dirtbag...a degenerate...a cyber-bully, as they call them these days.

He thrives on the failings/misery of struggling programs and enjoys seeing their fan base humiliated online. He did that for several seasons with Riordan....Mind you, I was and continue to be a jackrabbit "hater."

Fubo is the epitome of the term, scumbag...
You are the person who mocks kids with mental and physical disabilities and posts their images, you make fun of overweight frosh players and you posted a picture of a dog shiXXing on a Stanfel Cup trophy, that obviously doesn't bother the SHC fans. You should also refrain from posting the above photos of your kids in fairy clothes and rabbit costumes, it's inappropriate.
If anybody is "humiliated" by scores and records of a high school football team they need to seek counseling.
 
[QUOTE="Rikfran, post: 60368, member: 932" - There is concept in the tax law called "substance over form". Yes. It is not called athletic scholarships. It's called financial aid. But I can guarantee you that a lot of the stud football players and basketball players would not be in the various schools and not on financial aid if they did not play sports. In substance, they are athletic scholarships.

Rikfan - if you say it and believe it then it must be true, right? This debate has come up every year I've been on here and I took the time to research it thoroughly through the schools in which the systems are specifically set up to prevent exactly what you are saying from taking place: "stud football players & basketball players would..not be on finaicial aid if they did not play sports".
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Rmbr26-It's called observation having 4 kids play athletics at the high school level over the last nine years, and conversations with various people at all levels.

I will acknowledge no school sends out a letter to a potential student offering an "athletic scholarship. I will also acknowledge that all admitted students have to go through a financial review to determine financial aid if they seek it.

You actually misquote what I said. I said a lot of the players would not be Int the school, and therefore on financial aid. They get into the school because they are on the coaches list and not because of their academic work.

Yes, it is called "assistance" in form.








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This thread is out of control! Can we stop and resume our normal prep sports barbs?
 
A voice of sanity. Thank you.
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I think Fubo is outta control, the Riordan fans here should muzzle him, he is definitely a divider among us and I know he personally does not speak for all Riordan. Typical whiner and is only a bandwagon fan when winning happens to cure all. There is no way Riordan alum can say he is supportive of the school financially or even true to himself everyday.
 
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I think Fubo is outta control, the Riordan fans here should muzzle him, he is definitely a divider among us and I know he personally does not speak for all Riordan. Typical whiner and is only a bandwagon fan when winning happens to cure all. There is no way Riordan alum can say he is supportive of the school financially or even true to himself everyday.

I sorry for calling you Cole. I hope we can chat at SHC vs. ARHS . Tell pops "hi"
 
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I think Fubo is outta control, the Riordan fans here should muzzle him, he is definitely a divider among us and I know he personally does not speak for all Riordan. Typical whiner and is only a bandwagon fan when winning happens to cure all. There is no way Riordan alum can say he is supportive of the school financially or even true to himself everyday.

I think the jackrabbit fans have suddenly forgotten how they were on "this side" of our dirtbag's jokes just 1 season ago...What kind of an alum does that to his own team on a public board????

Now the jackrabbits are doing well, and Mr. Scumbag needs another team to nurture his fragile ego at the expense of another team?

As I gave the analogy of the Nazi sympathizer in WWII in an earlier post, you guys should do the same thing I described to that scumbag...

Although these days my "affiliation" would be more closer to Serra as my nephew plays on this team, I'm standing up against this cyber-bully because he's messing with one of the more decent fan base on this board. I've never seen the Irish fans brag, whine, or demean other teams....
 
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