SJS Quarterfinal Results

[Streak One]

Division I

St. Mary's beat Woodcreek 84-39
Edison beat McClatchy 64-58 (score one for the seeding committee)
Cosumnes Oaks beat Oak Ridge 52-41 (CO beat Oak Ridge twice)
Folsom beat Davis 67-35

Division II

Antelope beat St. Francis 81-51 (second win over St. Francis this month)
Del Oro beat Sacramento 44-41 (another questionable seed proved ok here)
Whitney beat Vanden 72-57
Bear Creek beat Granite Bay 71-30

Division III

Christian Brothers beat East Union 73-40
Bradshaw Christian beat Merced 61-56
River Valley beat Los Banos 76-33
Kimball beat Patterson 50-23

Division IV:

Foothill beat Sonora 76-63
Lathrop beat Ripon 80-54
West Campus beat Placer 74-40
Union Mine beat Bear River 64-42

Division V:

Colfax beat Waterford 60-19
Mariposa beat Summerville 54-52
Capital Christian beat Western Sierra 62-31
Argoanut beat Golden Sierra 53-29

*2 of 12 games in Division 3-5 were decided by single digits

 

[ClayK]

As Doug mentioned, I guess the committee knew more than we thought ...

Also, this means the only way McClatchy and Sacramento can advance to NorCals is by being nominated as at-large entries by SJS, and then being selected by the CIF committee. (At that point, they would be seeded by competitive equity.)]

The interesting point here is whether SJS, and the other sections, will automatically default to the D1 quarterfinal losers as at-large candidates or, say, put Sacramento ahead of Woodcreek. SJS must rank its entries in order, at-large and automatic, so it will be a very interesting first-time process.

 

[basketba11]

I don't necessarily agree that the seeding committee knew more than we thought or that we should score one for the seeding committee here. Yes, the questionable seedings here in putting Sac as a 5 seed and especially dropping McClatchy from a 3 seed to a 5 seed behind Cosumnes Oaks and Edison did play out in both of them losing two close away games. But that doesn't mean they got it right. When it comes to high school playoff games, home court is very very important especially in close games. I definitively give credit to Del Oro and Edison for playing their butts off and hanging on to win in both games, but let's say the seeds were different and Sac and McClatchy were the 4 seeds in theses games. Do you think the outcome might have been different? Obviously don't know for sure, but I am pretty sure any of these coaches would agree that there is a big advantage in getting 2nd round and even semi-final games this year at home! Del Oro and Edison winning at home are not upsets as these teams are very good and have had successful seasons and are both very well coached! Congrats to them moving on, very big wins for both of them.

 

[cptmycpa]

As Doug mentioned, I guess the committee knew more than we thought ...

Also, this means the only way McClatchy and Sacramento can advance to NorCals is by being nominated as at-large entries by SJS, and then being selected by the CIF committee. (At that point, they would be seeded by competitive equity.)]

The interesting point here is whether SJS, and the other sections, will automatically default to the D1 quarterfinal losers as at-large candidates or, say, put Sacramento ahead of Woodcreek. SJS must rank its entries in order, at-large and automatic, so it will be a very interesting first-time process.

My feeling is that the SJS will not make any at-large selections. They are not adaptable to change, and historically has rarely if ever made an at-large request. Sac High, Oak Ridge, Woodcreek and McClatchy are finished for the season.

 

[ClayK]

If you're right, and SJS only submits 20 teams, and CCS only 20, that's 44.

The Northern Section will have 12 automatic qualifiers (top four in divisions III through V) and NCS 20. I honestly don't know what San Francisco and Oakland get, but let's say it's four each (which I think is high).

That would be a total of 84 teams, four short of filling the brackets.

If SF and Oakland submit three each, that's six first-round byes scattered through, most likely, divisions IV and V. That's six games worth of revenue CIF doesn't get.

I'm guessing sections will be urged, perhaps strongly, to submit at-large teams, and my understanding is that CCS will do so next year (probably in response to the shift in the calendar -- the state title games next year are March 8 or something).

In short, I would not be surprised at all if McClatchy wound up in Division I NorCals.

 

[sfpreps]

If you're right, and SJS only submits 20 teams, and CCS only 20, that's 44.

The Northern Section will have 12 automatic qualifiers (top four in divisions III through V) and NCS 20. I honestly don't know what San Francisco and Oakland get, but let's say it's four each (which I think is high).

That would be a total of 84 teams, four short of filling the brackets.

If SF and Oakland submit three each, that's six first-round byes scattered through, most likely, divisions IV and V. That's six games worth of revenue CIF doesn't get.

I'm guessing sections will be urged, perhaps strongly, to submit at-large teams, and my understanding is that CCS will do so next year (probably in response to the shift in the calendar -- the state title games next year are March 8 or something).

In short, I would not be surprised at all if McClatchy wound up in Division I NorCals.

I wouldn't be surprise also to see McClatchy (and even Sacramento, and Oak Ridge) be added in Nor Cal.
I believe Oakland and SF section will only have 2 each max so there should be plenty of at-large from SJS and NCS.
Also, Logan and California are 2 strong teams from NCS who got knock out before quarter-final. Wouldn't be surprise to see both added as well.

Will be very interesting to see how it all shake up especially for the first year..

 

[Paytc]

Looks like Bear is still rolling towards a championship. Apparently Bear Creek beat Granite Bay 71-30.

No guarantees but like lotto you've gotta be in it to win it. Good wishes to all still in the mix. Any predictions out there?

 

[HoopGuy03]

Bear Creek over Whitney by 12

 

[kbrizzzle]

My feeling is that the SJS will not make any at-large selections. They are not adaptable to change, and historically has rarely if ever made an at-large request. Sac High, Oak Ridge, Woodcreek and McClatchy are finished for the season.

I disagree. Last season, Roseville, Antelope, Bear Creek and Whitney advanced to the NorCal Regional despite losing in the quarters. In fact all D1 and D2 quarterfinalists for SJS advanced except for Davis.

 

[Azanna]

My feeling is that the SJS will not make any at-large selections. They are not adaptable to change, and historically has rarely if ever made an at-large request. Sac High, Oak Ridge, Woodcreek and McClatchy are finished for the season.

they have done it in the past, Antelope was an at large selection last year if I'm understanding what an at large is. Antelope lost in the second round to Sac. but still advanced to the Norcal's

 

[Azanna]

Good Job Edison I was wrong, good luck next week. Hoping for a Antelope Beer Creek show down in the finals.

 

[cptmycpa]

I disagree. Last season, Roseville, Antelope, Bear Creek and Whitney advanced to the NorCal Regional despite losing in the quarters. In fact all D1 and D2 quarterfinalists for SJS advanced except for Davis.

kbrizzzle--I stand corrected. You are correct for the most part. All SJS D2 quarterfinal losers last year, Roseville, Antelope, Bear Creek and Whitney advanced.
For D1, two of the four quarterfinal losers advanced: Folsom and St. Francis. The two that didn't advance were Davis and Brookside Christian.

Glad to see SJS making some strides.

 

[Streak One]

Last year was the first year SJS "backfilled" teams.

Good point on home court and it does make a big difference. However, I think a true seeding error will trump home court. Maybe I'm not valuing home court enough in relatively even matchups.

 

[SouthBayHoopFan]

If you're right, and SJS only submits 20 teams, and CCS only 20, that's 44.

Are you a PE teacher Clay?

 

[ClayK]

An odd question ... but no.

 

[SouthBayHoopFan]

An odd question ... but no.

20 + 20 = 44.

 

[bodyguard]

If you're right, and SJS only submits 20 teams, and CCS only 20, that's 44.

The Northern Section will have 12 automatic qualifiers (top four in divisions III through V) and NCS 20. I honestly don't know what San Francisco and Oakland get, but let's say it's four each (which I think is high).

That would be a total of 84 teams, four short of filling the brackets.

If SF and Oakland submit three each, that's six first-round byes scattered through, most likely, divisions IV and V. That's six games worth of revenue CIF doesn't get.

I'm guessing sections will be urged, perhaps strongly, to submit at-large teams, and my understanding is that CCS will do so next year (probably in response to the shift in the calendar -- the state title games next year are March 8 or something).

In short, I would not be surprised at all if McClatchy wound up in Division I NorCals.

Can't they still pull Central Section teams into NorCals to help fill out the brackets?

 

[ClayK]

They can do whatever they want -- they could even pull some of the northerly Southern Section teams in the Sierras into NorCals.