Stanford Doctor: Coronavirus fatality rate for people under 45 "almost 0%"

[CoachRandal]

Here is a link to an article that probably will not get the attention that it deserves. As I have posted in some other threads, society is too fearful of Covid19. High Schools should open in the Fall and High School sports is an essential part of a high school education and should start-up as well. The residual problems caused by shutting down schools and sports are far more hazardous to our students than the risk of fatalities from Covid19. Those who are old and sick should isolate. Kids returning to school and playing sports does not stop them from isolating. People should have the freedom to choose what is best for their kids and their families.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/...on-fatality-rate-for-people-under-45-almost-0

 

[ArmchairGOAT]

Perhaps you need an explanation from a 9 yr old:
You and 9 friends are doing an arts and crafts project. 1 uses glitter for her project. How many projects have glitter?

 

[colhenrylives]

Here is a link to an article that probably will not get the attention that it deserves. As I have posted in some other threads, society is too fearful of Covid19. High Schools should open in the Fall and High School sports is an essential part of a high school education and should start-up as well. The residual problems caused by shutting down schools and sports are far more hazardous to our students than the risk of fatalities from Covid19. Those who are old and sick should isolate. Kids returning to school and playing sports does not stop them from isolating. People should have the freedom to choose what is best for their kids and their families.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/...on-fatality-rate-for-people-under-45-almost-0

One more time: School employees are a very large factor in how all of this is resolved. Their unions are heavily involved in decisions involving back-to-school issues. Their concern (rightly) is the health and safety of their memberships. The discussions are not being held in public. These are contractual matters. Teens are one thing; the adults involved are quite another.

 

[MTsince2004]

What is best for people, their kids, and all families in general is to NOT get sick. Seems like the obvious choice. Isolating 20% of the population while the rest go about their business spreading the disease isn't an actual solution. We seem to be the only country who hasn't figured that out. Most of the rest of the world effectively locked down and many nations are now emerging into the way of life we all want: return to school, work, play, etc. They did not let the virus run rampant and continue to spread to younger, healthier populations. There are effective measures that can be put in place, but "Hide the grandparents and let the kids run free" isn't one of them. The more people promote this line of thinking, the longer it will take to ACTUALLY get back to some semblance of normal.

 

[ArmchairGOAT]

What is best for people, their kids, and all families in general is to NOT get sick. Seems like the obvious choice. Isolating 20% of the population while the rest go about their business spreading the disease isn't an actual solution. We seem to be the only country who hasn't figured that out. Most of the rest of the world effectively locked down and many nations are now emerging into the way of life we all want: return to school, work, play, etc. They did not let the virus run rampant and continue to spread to younger, healthier populations. There are effective measures that can be put in place, but "Hide the grandparents and let the kids run free" isn't one of them. The more people promote this line of thinking, the longer it will take to ACTUALLY get back to some semblance of normal.

Agree. It was a collective effort of all by those countries to mitigate the spread. Unlike the “me” attitude espoused.

 

[MTsince2004]

Agree. It was a collective effort of all by those countries to mitigate the spread. Unlike the “me” attitude espoused.

I know. I need to stop responding to these posts. It's one of those "If I have to explain it to you, you wouldn't understand it anyway" kind of things.

Stay safe and stay healthy.

 

[GodFamilyBasketball]

We are treating this virus the same way we treat guns. We have to either accept more restrictions to get over this or we can keep waiving our flags and pack our hospitals. The rest of the world accepted restrictions so that they wouldn’t kill their fellow citizens. USA and Brazil are the biggest countries that will have to keep dying until the vaccine comes out. Fortunately for California, unions and some of our government will balance what’s best for everyone and not just coaches and kids.

 

[short17]

It’s not totally about the teenage athlete having the virus. It’s the fact they can pass it to teammates, opponents and anyone else they come in contact with. No high school athlete is living alone in their own house or apartment. There’re living with adults. Now these adults may be one or both parents, grandparents, aunt, uncle, foster care or even a group home and you are putting all of them in harms way.

As I mentioned in another post school districts are trying to figure out out to conduct classes this fall. Staff and student safety will be the top priority.

The chances of any high school sports in California this year are pretty slim. It’s unfortunate for all of next years seniors, but nothing is guaranteed in life and they and we need to deal with this current life setback.

I can only speak for myself, but if the loss of a high school sports year saves even one life it is worth it.
That one could be any of our loved ones.

 

[1315]

Here is a link to an article that probably will not get the attention that it deserves. As I have posted in some other threads, society is too fearful of Covid19. High Schools should open in the Fall and High School sports is an essential part of a high school education and should start-up as well. The residual problems caused by shutting down schools and sports are far more hazardous to our students than the risk of fatalities from Covid19. Those who are old and sick should isolate. Kids returning to school and playing sports does not stop them from isolating. People should have the freedom to choose what is best for their kids and their families.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/...on-fatality-rate-for-people-under-45-almost-0

Why not disclose the study by Ioannidis was funded by Jet Blue’s founder? Who has no obvious incentive to “open the economy?” Right.
Or that Ioannidis’ deductions have been met with universal disdain from his peers?
Is it because you have an overt bias to public officials’ decisions during the pandemic?
The agenda is obvious....and dangerous.

People, the OP is trying to convince others “it’ll just go away. It’ll be a miracle.”

 

[Marcskit]

Perhaps you need an explanation from a 9 yr old:
You and 9 friends are doing an arts and crafts project. 1 uses glitter for her project. How many projects have glitter?

A Very clever way to make a point.
Here's wishing you great football

 

[salgovernaleisaturtle]

this guy is dangerous. he has influence and authority over young people. the more he talks, the more he exposes himself.

He would not be coaching my kid, and if I could help it, he would not be coaching anywhere in my reach.

 

[Valley Boys]

this guy is dangerous. he has influence and authority over young people. the more he talks, the more he exposes himself.

He would not be coaching my kid, and if I could help it, he would not be coaching anywhere in my reach.

Just a few facts..

Nobody is forcing anyone to play football. Nobody is forcing anyone into contact with another either at home or in society. Life is full of dangers. The vast majority of folks writing on this blog are wimps, and your ancestors are ashamed of you.

 

[vukovich]

this guy is dangerous. he has influence and authority over young people. the more he talks, the more he exposes himself.

He would not be coaching my kid, and if I could help it, he would not be coaching anywhere in my reach.

You and your kid aren’t being forced to do anything. Hide away for 5 more years it might get better.

 

[concrete17]

Just a few facts..

Nobody is forcing anyone to play football. Nobody is forcing anyone into contact with another either at home or in society. Life is full of dangers. The vast majority of folks writing on this blog are wimps, and your ancestors are ashamed of you.

Touché........and while we're in the advice department might want to try a new moniker "Major 'King' Kong as in Dr Strangelove and ancestral advice might include they should've kept their legs crossed.......

dangerCrete17

 

[rwccaptain42]

Touché........and while we're in the advice department might want to try a new moniker "Major 'King' Kong as in Dr Strangelove and ancestral advice might include they should've kept their legs crossed.......

dangerCrete17

No worries.... come Nov 4 the Covid crisis scam will be over

 

[RedZone90]

On Friday, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) reported that the percentage of deaths in the United States has dipped low enough so that the nation is at the epidemic threshold, which means if the percentage drops any lower, the CDC will no longer call the coronavirus an epidemic.

The CDC wrote that the percentage of deaths had declined for 10 weeks in a row.

 

[concrete17]

No worries.... come Nov 4 the Covid crisis scam will be over

........along with the burning dumpster/clown act that made it possible.

To quote the Wise Marcskit:
"Here's wishing you great football."

 

[northbayfb]

On Friday, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) reported that the percentage of deaths in the United States has dipped low enough so that the nation is at the epidemic threshold, which means if the percentage drops any lower, the CDC will no longer call the coronavirus an epidemic.

The CDC wrote that the percentage of deaths had declined for 10 weeks in a row.

Thank you for this. I had not read this anywhere. Found it on the CDC website. The only thing I found was an article not to celebrate the lower death rates. Amazing

 

[NorCalSportsFan]

The virus is already 10X what is reported as active. Whether there are sports or not, not opening schools will result in a lost couple years and put a large group of kids and teens at a huge disadvantage. The several doctors I have talked with unanimously have told me that things should open up and precautions taken - masks when around others and those at risk (elderly, those with underlying conditions, etc.) need to take precautions. If teachers are worried (over 45 or at risk with underlying conditions) or afraid, they should be allowed to offer via skype or other online device delivered at the classroom. Students can still attend class and watch at school for those course sessions (the school should have better facilities) and teachers that offer at class should be able to and wear masks. There are other necessary businesses that are open (supermarkets, grocery stores, pharmacies) and they are in contact with even more variables. A teachers assistant can ensure order in the class and students. This will also alleviate the burden on parents who many have to work outside of home. The fact is this pandemic can be around for the next year and possibly longer and given the risks and damage of not getting back to normal, it is reasonable to at least adjust to something more normal and also will support the mental health of the kids and teens. Given the risks it is also reasonable to have sports, but probably not going to happen unless Pro and college sports happen. Also another point about the infection. Even in homes where one member gets it does not guarantee others in the home will. I know a few cases personally where younger members got it (one worked as a volunteer at a hospital and quarantined at home and others didn't get infected in the family), and another case where a family member got it (not sure how) and no one else infected in family. Hopefully things will open up soon. Mortality rate is declining and therapeutics are getting better. This country needs to get back to living as close as we can to normal.

 

[1315]

On Friday, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) reported that the percentage of deaths in the United States has dipped low enough so that the nation is at the epidemic threshold, which means if the percentage drops any lower, the CDC will no longer call the coronavirus an epidemic.

The CDC wrote that the percentage of deaths had declined for 10 weeks in a row.

That same CDC article combined “PIC” mortality rates.
Pneumonia, Influenza, Coronavirus.
The P and I rates ALWAYS decrease in summer.
And it states “expect” the mortality rate (and raw numbers if you care) to increase.

Kids and coaches read NCP. Most probably don’t go past the heading of a CDC press release. They are influenced. Please post all information without leaving out qualifier statements.

@19- tell us how the viral load factor in a classroom equates with “supermarkets, pharmacies?”

 

[salgovernaleisaturtle]

CDC releases guidelines for reopening schools
Trump tweet: it's too tough
CDC: releasing new guidelines next week: "we will continue to develop and evolve our guidance to meet the needs of schools and the states that we continue to provide assistance to"

um, they are not supposed to meet the needs of anyone.. they are supposed to use science to set guidelines.

I can't even trust the cdc anymore to keep us safe.

 

[colhenrylives]

The virus is already 10X what is reported as active. Whether there are sports or not, not opening schools will result in a lost couple years and put a large group of kids and teens at a huge disadvantage. The several doctors I have talked with unanimously have told me that things should open up and precautions taken - masks when around others and those at risk (elderly, those with underlying conditions, etc.) need to take precautions. If teachers are worried (over 45 or at risk with underlying conditions) or afraid, they should be allowed to offer via skype or other online device delivered at the classroom. Students can still attend class and watch at school for those course sessions (the school should have better facilities) and teachers that offer at class should be able to and wear masks. There are other necessary businesses that are open (supermarkets, grocery stores, pharmacies) and they are in contact with even more variables. A teachers assistant can ensure order in the class and students. This will also alleviate the burden on parents who many have to work outside of home. The fact is this pandemic can be around for the next year and possibly longer and given the risks and damage of not getting back to normal, it is reasonable to at least adjust to something more normal and also will support the mental health of the kids and teens. Given the risks it is also reasonable to have sports, but probably not going to happen unless Pro and college sports happen. Also another point about the infection. Even in homes where one member gets it does not guarantee others in the home will. I know a few cases personally where younger members got it (one worked as a volunteer at a hospital and quarantined at home and others didn't get infected in the family), and another case where a family member got it (not sure how) and no one else infected in family. Hopefully things will open up soon. Mortality rate is declining and therapeutics are getting better. This country needs to get back to living as close as we can to normal.

Again, don't forget about the employee unions. Their influence in all of this is quite relevant. In fact, it's huge.

 

[RedZone90]

That same CDC article combined “PIC” mortality rates.
Pneumonia, Influenza, Coronavirus.
The P and I rates ALWAYS decrease in summer.
And it states “expect” the mortality rate (and raw numbers if you care) to increase.

Kids and coaches read NCP. Most probably don’t go past the heading of a CDC press release. They are influenced. Please post all information without leaving out qualifier statements.

@19- tell us how the viral load factor in a classroom equates with “supermarkets, pharmacies?”

So I’m responsible for kids and coaches who don’t read? That’s also an awful big generalization you made there. Death rates are dropping every week for the last 2 1/2 months. Maybe the numbers climb slightly in the coming weeks, but the recent trend is toward lower death rates per infected populations, as we are developing more effective treatments. That’s good news. Perhaps you should have included in your response the CDC combines ILI data In these calculations because the “influenza-like illnesses” have similar basic symptoms and death rates.

 

[oldram3]

FYI - Ivy League suspended all athletics for 2020 https://www.si.com/college/2020/07/08/ivy-league-postpone-fall-sports-hopeful-football-spring

 

[shcguy92]

I get it that teens rate of mortality or death is zero percent. That is all fact but what if they expose their parents, grandparents or other relatives who are in the risk category of getting seriously ill? There in lies the dilemma? Do we the take these football players and quarantine them away from their families so they can play their sport?

we have already experienced school districts eliminating all extra curricular activities for Fall, a pro sports team pulling out of competition, a college league canceling all Fall Sports and several MLB franchises putting their practices on hold to await test results. Do we really want to keep doing this and risking lives of people or do we just sit back and wait for the vaccine

 

[1315]

So I’m responsible for kids and coaches who don’t read? That’s also an awful big generalization you made there. Death rates are dropping every week for the last 2 1/2 months. Maybe the numbers climb slightly in the coming weeks, but the recent trend is toward lower death rates per infected populations, as we are developing more effective treatments. That’s good news. Perhaps you should have included in your response the CDC combines ILI data In these calculations because the “influenza-like illnesses” have similar basic symptoms and death rates.

Death rates? Johns Hopkins Medicine: “The mortality rate of Covid19 is thought to be substantially higher than seasonal influenza. Can anyone compare them? NO!! Because flu deaths are not required reporting in many parts of the US.
I did not state anyone’s “responsibility...” a little stretch there. But the ideas being bandied about as far as “opening the economy” and “the shutdown is worse overall for society than deaths” and “youths need football” are straw arguments fully neutered by the hospitalizations (do not cite “testing” here) NOW mirroring NY in early April. “ Effective treatments,” yes, there are a few glimmers of hope. But the magic pill is far off. Maybe another 100k deaths off.

Back to “sports,” which is complicated during a global geo-political fluster-cluck. Some would say, as a few on here, that a star like Buster perhaps taking the 60 games off is weak/nimble/wussy. (It’d be a different story if to his face while he held his Hillerich and Bradsby!) Others might say, “He’ll be protected better than the WH kids!” But what it comes down to is: can you trust someone you have no idea you can trust? Res ipsa loquitur.

 

[RedZone90]

Death rates? Johns Hopkins Medicine: “The mortality rate of Covid19 is thought to be substantially higher than seasonal influenza. Can anyone compare them? NO!! Because flu deaths are not required reporting in many parts of the US.
I did not state anyone’s “responsibility...” a little stretch there. But the ideas being bandied about as far as “opening the economy” and “the shutdown is worse overall for society than deaths” and “youths need football” are straw arguments fully neutered by the hospitalizations (do not cite “testing” here) NOW mirroring NY in early April. “ Effective treatments,” yes, there are a few glimmers of hope. But the magic pill is far off. Maybe another 100k deaths off.

Back to “sports,” which is complicated during a global geo-political fluster-cluck. Some would say, as a few on here, that a star like Buster perhaps taking the 60 games off is weak/nimble/wussy. (It’d be a different story if to his face while he held his Hillerich and Bradsby!) Others might say, “He’ll be protected better than the WH kids!” But what it comes down to is: can you trust someone you have no idea you can trust? Res ipsa loquitur.

I did not compare flu vs COVID 19 and I made no comment about return to sports or the economy (or politics as you seem to do). I posted the fact that COVID death rates have fallen every week since the height of the pandemic in April. This is very encouraging and much more than a mere “glimmer of hope”, as you say. Facts don’t care about your feelings. They simply exist.

 

[RedZone90]

There is a good reason the U.S.A leads the world in Coronavirus deaths and gun deaths. “Freeeeeeeeeeeedoooooommmmm!!!!!!!!” While holding my NRA, CDC and MAGA flags. Please November come tomorrow.

Wrong. Is Iran a “more free” country than the US? Or Egypt? Or Ecuador? They all have much higher COVID death rates per 100,000 people than the US. As does Mexico, the U.K. and Indonesia. Your political beliefs may let you stay blind to facts, but the facts don’t care.

 

[NorCalSportsFan]

Even Dr. Fauci today said schools should open (including Universities). That pretty much ensures they will otherwise there will be huge push back by citizens. Antigen testing is almost ready to role out according to him.

 

[GodFamilyBasketball]

Wrong. Is Iran a “more free” country than the US? Or Egypt? Or Ecuador? They all have much higher COVID death rates per 100,000 people than the US. As does Mexico, the U.K. and Indonesia. Your political beliefs may let you stay blind to facts, but the facts don’t care.

The UK is the absolute worse for the rate of deaths. 100%. Although you choose a different statistical category to make your political point, I do understand what you mean. Outside of the UK and the USA, every country named by you should not be in the same category as us. Being compared to Mexico and Ecuador isn’t a good point. The stats I was referring to is the total world deaths. The USA is almost 25% of the total deaths although we make up 4% of the world population.

 

[1315]

Sorry <20, a pandemic can never “become” an epidemic. Fact. LOL

 

[salgovernaleisaturtle]

let me add:

the biggest defense of just opening up the schools is: this doesn't kill kids.

that may be so... but it will kill at least one kid... because as I said before, there are kids that are miserably unhealthy, even playing sports.

and....

even if it doesn't, we really do not know what the long term effects of covid are, and there is quite a bit of evidence that this needs to be further explored. Just saying they are kids and won't die so it's ok; that is arrogant and irresponsible.

IF in 10 years, they are seeing diseases and conditions related to covid, and that this is related to irresponsible opening up, well... that would be another 'what if', wouldn't it?
for comparison: the 9/11 responders have shown a direct correlation to COPD and pulmonary fibrosis. If they knew that was going to happen, they would've been more careful and had a thoughtful plan to let those rescue workers be safe, while still doing important work.

 

[shcguy92]

Even Dr. Fauci today said schools should open (including Universities). That pretty much ensures they will otherwise there will be huge push back by citizens. Antigen testing is almost ready to role out according to him.

The reopening of schools is one thing. The playing of sports and other activities is a whole other animal in of itself. So yes reopen schools but please do take time when it come to all activities outside of the learning classroom. Even if going back is the hybrid model with a mix of distance and in school learning, Athletics should still be secondary to in class work and let’s go back to “normal” in baby steps. This return is not going to be a sprint but a marathon and we must clear hurdles to get to the next phase

 

[northbayfb]

Schools are essential. If schools aren't essential then there should be no portion of our tax dollars that goes to the funding of schools. And like other publicly funded essential employees those that work there should take every precaution to protect themselves and others. Like other essential places we have determined we have to go, when we visit those places we should take every precaution to protect ourselves and others.

 

[1315]

Education is essential. I saw this in LA outside a religious structure: “A church is a building. A belief is not. Join us online...”

Even Dr. Fauci today said schools should open (including Universities). That pretty much ensures they will otherwise there will be huge push back by citizens. Antigen testing is almost ready to role out according to him.

To clarify folks, NCFan confused antigen with antibody. SARS-CoV-2 is THE antigen. Human immune reaction to the antigen produces antibodies.