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Hard to imagine public’s beating privates and of course the dominant grant with its future Sunday player/s being beat, yet here we are. Does the outcome of these games now mean DLS, & Grant were both overrated or does this type of criticism only reserved for CN?
DLS was a good team and not overrated in their section, but maybe was overrated a bit statewide and nationally.

DLS lost to OLU, Serra, and MV. Those were the only teams on DLS schedule that could match the Spartans in the trenches and also were just as well coached.

Cal14 generally grossly underestimates (non MD, SJB) SoCal Top 20 teams so if he got anyone's hopes up, we can blame him.
 
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... and this is really what I don't entirely understand about this whole "mediocre" debate.

Why is it ok to reward teams who build up good records against weak competition, while it isn't ok for teams who struggle against really good teams?

We need to stop looking at the records as the measure because the spectrum of competition is so vast at the high school level. Having one team that routinely gets crushed by better teams in league or one that routinely crushes everyone else... why is that a better model? I don't get it.
Excellent response
 
DLS was a good team and not overrated in their section, but maybe was overrated a bit statewide and nationally.

DLS lost to OLU, Serra, and MV. Those were the only teams on DLS schedule that could match the Spartans in the trenches and also were just as well coached.

Cal14 generally grossly underestimates (non MD, SJB) SoCal Top 20 teams so if he got anyone's hopes up, we can blame him.
CalHi was the one who had DLS at #6 in the state. Calpreps had them lower. I stated above that MV would beat them due to the lack of a consistent passing game... which is exactly what happened. I've actually been stating that the Diablos would take this division.
 
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Mission Viejo is good. I’m guessing they start next year top 5 in the state with all the young talent they have. The best player on the field last night was a Sacramento kid (Phillip bell) for the Diablos. When NorCal’s best players are playing on SoCal teams it’s always going to be tough sledding.

As mentioned, the MV passing game was really good while DLS’ is still subpar. When DLS plays those teams with dominant lines the veer gets stuffed and they can’t throw.
 
Good win for La Serna and a tough loss for Grant. I like the La Serna head coach. Totally confidence in his team with a little cockiness/edge. That's the kind of attitude a player can stand behind. Fast team, good tackling, and they played hard. They didn't make a lot of plays, just the ones they needed. The coaching staff didn't do anything exceptional, just there job, putting his team in a position to win, not lose.

Grant's offensive coordinator and ultimately the head coaches, taking nothing away from the La Serna team because they played championship ball, did not have there best performance. In reviewing the tape in the off season, there will be a lot to learn from this game. Areas that I think they might reflect on.

-As mentioned by another poster, how one dimensional they were on offense. Lets say you are forced to run. Okay, but there was no mix of run plays or formations. No reverse plays, counter plays, toss sweeps, QB leads, etc. The defense loaded the box and the offense stayed in spread and shot gun (usually with one back in the back field most of the half). This allowed seven defenders in the box on defense plus they were using there DB's to set the edge, making it a total of 8 defenders to stop the run. In that scenario, at minimum I was hoping to see Grant go to their big boy package.

-The lack of a passing game. Expecting the freshman QB to come out and run the normal offense may be a stretch, especially against a solid defense with some of the play makers that La Serna had. Let the young man get adjusted to the game. Throw some screen plays, check downs to the RB, play action, boot play, etc. A couple of completions could have built a lot of confidence for him. Honestly, with so many people in the box, I was waiting for the trick play (RB pass, or a double pass). Pretty much anything in the air would have keep La Serna honest.

-I mentioned the play calling earlier, but to add to that, the amount of time it took to call a play was crazy, especially on the last drive. I was confused why it took so long to call the same play (Power left/power right). Did they really need to think about it that long. It only allowed the defense time to rest and get set up. I was hoping to see them put some pressure on the defense and go tempo. Run some hurry up plays. La Serna had several players going both ways as well and this was a missed opportunity to wear some of them down by the forth quarter.

-Field position. All of La Serna's points came from a short field, starting in Pacer territory. They did not have a lot of success driving the ball the length of the field. Grant going for it on a couple of 4th down's and failing put a lot of pressure on their defense.

-Special teams. Just line up in a normal punt formation and kick the ball. Again, play field position. Instead Grant kept giving La Serna the ball at mid field on in Pacer territory. Again, too much pressure on the defense. Even though they did a good job and got multiple stops this led to La Serna punting the ball deep into Pacer territory, forcing them to start drivers from their own 8 and 13 yard lines. Why put that kind of pressure on your offense (who was already being one dimensional at the time) to drive the length of the field.

-Taking a time out for the 2 point conversion only to run the same play you ran the whole drive. The conversion was critical so I understand taking a time out. But no offensive creativity on that call. They ran the same play against Monterey Trail for the 2 point conversion and failed.

-Green and Parker. I can't recall seeing them in the back field together, except a few times. And I don't think they were on the field together at all in the 4th quarter. Green in at RB and Parker in at the slot. Force the defense to defend both of your outstanding backs at the same time. Take away the power play up the middle from Green or take away the quick swing pass to Parker in open field? Or put Parker in motion, fake the power to Green and had it off to Parker on a sweep play. One dimensional wasn't the problem. One dimensional with no creativity or one dimensional without utilizing your weapons is.

-Kicking the onside kick. In that situation, with a young back-up QB, just kick the ball deep and play defense. In that scenario, if you get the stop, you get the ball around mid field and you give the offense a short field to work with. The way it played out, even if they had gotten the stop after failing to get the onside kick, they would have been out of times outs and once again pinned deep into their own territory. Running the ball at that point is not an option. And now you would be forcing the young QB to drive the length of the field with his arm, on the last drive of the game, with limited time, with a state championship on the line. That's too much pressure to put on him especially when he didn't throw a signal pass in the 4th quarter.

I am a Grant homer, and I love what Reed and the coaching staff has done with this program. And where I believe they are going to take it in the future. This one got away from us, thanks to the hard work of La Serna and the missed opportunities of the Grant coaching staff. They will learn from this one and get better. As good of a team as La Serna is, Grant beat Grant.

To the players, especially the seniors, great job! I really enjoyed watching ya'll play the last couple of years. I know your 3 losses this year by a total of 6 points will hurt for a while, especially the one yesterday, but thank you for putting the Pacers back on the map. Best of luck in the future. I look forward to seeing you on Saturdays, and maybe Sundays too.
 
Good win for La Serna and a tough loss for Grant. I like the La Serna head coach. Totally confidence in his team with a little cockiness/edge. That's the kind of attitude a player can stand behind. Fast team, good tackling, and they played hard. They didn't make a lot of plays, just the ones they needed. The coaching staff didn't do anything exceptional, just there job, putting his team in a position to win, not lose.

Grant's offensive coordinator and ultimately the head coaches, taking nothing away from the La Serna team because they played championship ball, did not have there best performance. In reviewing the tape in the off season, there will be a lot to learn from this game. Areas that I think they might reflect on.

-As mentioned by another poster, how one dimensional they were on offense. Lets say you are forced to run. Okay, but there was no mix of run plays or formations. No reverse plays, counter plays, toss sweeps, QB leads, etc. The defense loaded the box and the offense stayed in spread and shot gun (usually with one back in the back field most of the half). This allowed seven defenders in the box on defense plus they were using there DB's to set the edge, making it a total of 8 defenders to stop the run. In that scenario, at minimum I was hoping to see Grant go to their big boy package.

-The lack of a passing game. Expecting the freshman QB to come out and run the normal offense may be a stretch, especially against a solid defense with some of the play makers that La Serna had. Let the young man get adjusted to the game. Throw some screen plays, check downs to the RB, play action, boot play, etc. A couple of completions could have built a lot of confidence for him. Honestly, with so many people in the box, I was waiting for the trick play (RB pass, or a double pass). Pretty much anything in the air would have keep La Serna honest.

-I mentioned the play calling earlier, but to add to that, the amount of time it took to call a play was crazy, especially on the last drive. I was confused why it took so long to call the same play (Power left/power right). Did they really need to think about it that long. It only allowed the defense time to rest and get set up. I was hoping to see them put some pressure on the defense and go tempo. Run some hurry up plays. La Serna had several players going both ways as well and this was a missed opportunity to wear some of them down by the forth quarter.

-Field position. All of La Serna's points came from a short field, starting in Pacer territory. They did not have a lot of success driving the ball the length of the field. Grant going for it on a couple of 4th down's and failing put a lot of pressure on their defense.

-Special teams. Just line up in a normal punt formation and kick the ball. Again, play field position. Instead Grant kept giving La Serna the ball at mid field on in Pacer territory. Again, too much pressure on the defense. Even though they did a good job and got multiple stops this led to La Serna punting the ball deep into Pacer territory, forcing them to start drivers from their own 8 and 13 yard lines. Why put that kind of pressure on your offense (who was already being one dimensional at the time) to drive the length of the field.

-Taking a time out for the 2 point conversion only to run the same play you ran the whole drive. The conversion was critical so I understand taking a time out. But no offensive creativity on that call. They ran the same play against Monterey Trail for the 2 point conversion and failed.

-Green and Parker. I can't recall seeing them in the back field together, except a few times. And I don't think they were on the field together at all in the 4th quarter. Green in at RB and Parker in at the slot. Force the defense to defend both of your outstanding backs at the same time. Take away the power play up the middle from Green or take away the quick swing pass to Parker in open field? Or put Parker in motion, fake the power to Green and had it off to Parker on a sweep play. One dimensional wasn't the problem. One dimensional with no creativity or one dimensional without utilizing your weapons is.

-Kicking the onside kick. In that situation, with a young back-up QB, just kick the ball deep and play defense. In that scenario, if you get the stop, you get the ball around mid field and you give the offense a short field to work with. The way it played out, even if they had gotten the stop after failing to get the onside kick, they would have been out of times outs and once again pinned deep into their own territory. Running the ball at that point is not an option. And now you would be forcing the young QB to drive the length of the field with his arm, on the last drive of the game, with limited time, with a state championship on the line. That's too much pressure to put on him especially when he didn't throw a signal pass in the 4th quarter.

I am a Grant homer, and I love what Reed and the coaching staff has done with this program. And where I believe they are going to take it in the future. This one got away from us, thanks to the hard work of La Serna and the missed opportunities of the Grant coaching staff. They will learn from this one and get better. As good of a team as La Serna is, Grant beat Grant.

To the players, especially the seniors, great job! I really enjoyed watching ya'll play the last couple of years. I know your 3 losses this year by a total of 6 points will hurt for a while, especially the one yesterday, but thank you for putting the Pacers back on the map. Best of luck in the future. I look forward to seeing you on Saturdays, and maybe Sundays too.
Nice post and observations. The young QB wasn't ready to be thrust into a situation like that. I agree with your observations, just think theyoung QB wouldn't have been able to execute most, if not all, of the ideas you mentioned. When he did throw, he was lucky that he didn't have a few of them picked off.
 
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Good win for La Serna and a tough loss for Grant. I like the La Serna head coach. Totally confidence in his team with a little cockiness/edge. That's the kind of attitude a player can stand behind. Fast team, good tackling, and they played hard. They didn't make a lot of plays, just the ones they needed. The coaching staff didn't do anything exceptional, just there job, putting his team in a position to win, not lose.

Grant's offensive coordinator and ultimately the head coaches, taking nothing away from the La Serna team because they played championship ball, did not have there best performance. In reviewing the tape in the off season, there will be a lot to learn from this game. Areas that I think they might reflect on.

-As mentioned by another poster, how one dimensional they were on offense. Lets say you are forced to run. Okay, but there was no mix of run plays or formations. No reverse plays, counter plays, toss sweeps, QB leads, etc. The defense loaded the box and the offense stayed in spread and shot gun (usually with one back in the back field most of the half). This allowed seven defenders in the box on defense plus they were using there DB's to set the edge, making it a total of 8 defenders to stop the run. In that scenario, at minimum I was hoping to see Grant go to their big boy package.

-The lack of a passing game. Expecting the freshman QB to come out and run the normal offense may be a stretch, especially against a solid defense with some of the play makers that La Serna had. Let the young man get adjusted to the game. Throw some screen plays, check downs to the RB, play action, boot play, etc. A couple of completions could have built a lot of confidence for him. Honestly, with so many people in the box, I was waiting for the trick play (RB pass, or a double pass). Pretty much anything in the air would have keep La Serna honest.

-I mentioned the play calling earlier, but to add to that, the amount of time it took to call a play was crazy, especially on the last drive. I was confused why it took so long to call the same play (Power left/power right). Did they really need to think about it that long. It only allowed the defense time to rest and get set up. I was hoping to see them put some pressure on the defense and go tempo. Run some hurry up plays. La Serna had several players going both ways as well and this was a missed opportunity to wear some of them down by the forth quarter.

-Field position. All of La Serna's points came from a short field, starting in Pacer territory. They did not have a lot of success driving the ball the length of the field. Grant going for it on a couple of 4th down's and failing put a lot of pressure on their defense.

-Special teams. Just line up in a normal punt formation and kick the ball. Again, play field position. Instead Grant kept giving La Serna the ball at mid field on in Pacer territory. Again, too much pressure on the defense. Even though they did a good job and got multiple stops this led to La Serna punting the ball deep into Pacer territory, forcing them to start drivers from their own 8 and 13 yard lines. Why put that kind of pressure on your offense (who was already being one dimensional at the time) to drive the length of the field.

-Taking a time out for the 2 point conversion only to run the same play you ran the whole drive. The conversion was critical so I understand taking a time out. But no offensive creativity on that call. They ran the same play against Monterey Trail for the 2 point conversion and failed.

-Green and Parker. I can't recall seeing them in the back field together, except a few times. And I don't think they were on the field together at all in the 4th quarter. Green in at RB and Parker in at the slot. Force the defense to defend both of your outstanding backs at the same time. Take away the power play up the middle from Green or take away the quick swing pass to Parker in open field? Or put Parker in motion, fake the power to Green and had it off to Parker on a sweep play. One dimensional wasn't the problem. One dimensional with no creativity or one dimensional without utilizing your weapons is.

-Kicking the onside kick. In that situation, with a young back-up QB, just kick the ball deep and play defense. In that scenario, if you get the stop, you get the ball around mid field and you give the offense a short field to work with. The way it played out, even if they had gotten the stop after failing to get the onside kick, they would have been out of times outs and once again pinned deep into their own territory. Running the ball at that point is not an option. And now you would be forcing the young QB to drive the length of the field with his arm, on the last drive of the game, with limited time, with a state championship on the line. That's too much pressure to put on him especially when he didn't throw a signal pass in the 4th quarter.

I am a Grant homer, and I love what Reed and the coaching staff has done with this program. And where I believe they are going to take it in the future. This one got away from us, thanks to the hard work of La Serna and the missed opportunities of the Grant coaching staff. They will learn from this one and get better. As good of a team as La Serna is, Grant beat Grant.

To the players, especially the seniors, great job! I really enjoyed watching ya'll play the last couple of years. I know your 3 losses this year by a total of 6 points will hurt for a while, especially the one yesterday, but thank you for putting the Pacers back on the map. Best of luck in the future. I look forward to seeing you on Saturdays, and maybe Sundays too.
I to thought Grant was the overall better team but were out coached.From the opening KO you saw the La Serna game plan was to test Grants defensive discipline.To Grants credit they did pretty well in that area.

I also agree that a injury contingency plan was lacking.You are spot on with the trick play observation.I was waiting for one all game.
 
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Based on talent alone, La Serna had no biz being on the same field as Grant. Grant is a perrennial "open division" caliber program from a big city, and La Serna is a small neighborhood public school usually an also ran in the D-4 playoffs.

No doubt the Grant coaches (and everyone else in the Sac area) completely underestimated this La Serna team, which obviously was much better than their normal product. The Grant game plan did not account for being in a close game, hence they had no new wrinkles prepared.
 
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Good win for La Serna and a tough loss for Grant. I like the La Serna head coach. Totally confidence in his team with a little cockiness/edge. That's the kind of attitude a player can stand behind. Fast team, good tackling, and they played hard. They didn't make a lot of plays, just the ones they needed. The coaching staff didn't do anything exceptional, just there job, putting his team in a position to win, not lose.

Grant's offensive coordinator and ultimately the head coaches, taking nothing away from the La Serna team because they played championship ball, did not have there best performance. In reviewing the tape in the off season, there will be a lot to learn from this game. Areas that I think they might reflect on.

-As mentioned by another poster, how one dimensional they were on offense. Lets say you are forced to run. Okay, but there was no mix of run plays or formations. No reverse plays, counter plays, toss sweeps, QB leads, etc. The defense loaded the box and the offense stayed in spread and shot gun (usually with one back in the back field most of the half). This allowed seven defenders in the box on defense plus they were using there DB's to set the edge, making it a total of 8 defenders to stop the run. In that scenario, at minimum I was hoping to see Grant go to their big boy package.

-The lack of a passing game. Expecting the freshman QB to come out and run the normal offense may be a stretch, especially against a solid defense with some of the play makers that La Serna had. Let the young man get adjusted to the game. Throw some screen plays, check downs to the RB, play action, boot play, etc. A couple of completions could have built a lot of confidence for him. Honestly, with so many people in the box, I was waiting for the trick play (RB pass, or a double pass). Pretty much anything in the air would have keep La Serna honest.

-I mentioned the play calling earlier, but to add to that, the amount of time it took to call a play was crazy, especially on the last drive. I was confused why it took so long to call the same play (Power left/power right). Did they really need to think about it that long. It only allowed the defense time to rest and get set up. I was hoping to see them put some pressure on the defense and go tempo. Run some hurry up plays. La Serna had several players going both ways as well and this was a missed opportunity to wear some of them down by the forth quarter.

-Field position. All of La Serna's points came from a short field, starting in Pacer territory. They did not have a lot of success driving the ball the length of the field. Grant going for it on a couple of 4th down's and failing put a lot of pressure on their defense.

-Special teams. Just line up in a normal punt formation and kick the ball. Again, play field position. Instead Grant kept giving La Serna the ball at mid field on in Pacer territory. Again, too much pressure on the defense. Even though they did a good job and got multiple stops this led to La Serna punting the ball deep into Pacer territory, forcing them to start drivers from their own 8 and 13 yard lines. Why put that kind of pressure on your offense (who was already being one dimensional at the time) to drive the length of the field.

-Taking a time out for the 2 point conversion only to run the same play you ran the whole drive. The conversion was critical so I understand taking a time out. But no offensive creativity on that call. They ran the same play against Monterey Trail for the 2 point conversion and failed.

-Green and Parker. I can't recall seeing them in the back field together, except a few times. And I don't think they were on the field together at all in the 4th quarter. Green in at RB and Parker in at the slot. Force the defense to defend both of your outstanding backs at the same time. Take away the power play up the middle from Green or take away the quick swing pass to Parker in open field? Or put Parker in motion, fake the power to Green and had it off to Parker on a sweep play. One dimensional wasn't the problem. One dimensional with no creativity or one dimensional without utilizing your weapons is.

-Kicking the onside kick. In that situation, with a young back-up QB, just kick the ball deep and play defense. In that scenario, if you get the stop, you get the ball around mid field and you give the offense a short field to work with. The way it played out, even if they had gotten the stop after failing to get the onside kick, they would have been out of times outs and once again pinned deep into their own territory. Running the ball at that point is not an option. And now you would be forcing the young QB to drive the length of the field with his arm, on the last drive of the game, with limited time, with a state championship on the line. That's too much pressure to put on him especially when he didn't throw a signal pass in the 4th quarter.

I am a Grant homer, and I love what Reed and the coaching staff has done with this program. And where I believe they are going to take it in the future. This one got away from us, thanks to the hard work of La Serna and the missed opportunities of the Grant coaching staff. They will learn from this one and get better. As good of a team as La Serna is, Grant beat Grant.

To the players, especially the seniors, great job! I really enjoyed watching ya'll play the last couple of years. I know your 3 losses this year by a total of 6 points will hurt for a while, especially the one yesterday, but thank you for putting the Pacers back on the map. Best of luck in the future. I look forward to seeing you on Saturdays, and maybe Sundays too.
Excellent work!!!

Good memory on the same failed 2 pt conversion play with MT.

That review was especially honest from a self-proclaimed "Grant homer." All your points are valid but it is so easy to be the armchair HC after the game. On the field game dynamics can make such observations difficult. No doubt Reed will be better prepared next time.
 
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Mission Viejo is good. I’m guessing they start next year top 5 in the state with all the young talent they have. The best player on the field last night was a Sacramento kid (Phillip bell) for the Diablos. When NorCal’s best players are playing on SoCal teams it’s always going to be tough sledding.

As mentioned, the MV passing game was really good while DLS’ is still subpar. When DLS plays those teams with dominant lines the veer gets stuffed and they can’t throw.
Bell was not even the best sophomore WR for the Diablos, Spafford had 1500 yards and 21 TDS this year compared to 570 yards and 5 TDS for Bell. Glad Bell had a good night but let’s try and keep things in perspective here. The flow of NorCal players is not what’s making SoCal go.
 
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The Strathmore vs Bell Gardens game has started. Strathmore is looking good in their first drive.

The Spartans score 7-0
 
I missed the first part of the Colusa vs Sweetwater game due to the stream not working. Colusa scored but missed their PAT. 6-0
 
Sweetwater comes back with their own scores with a 2 pt conversion and leads 8-6
 
Colusa scores - but again misses their PAT. 12-8. These missed extra points are going to be problematic.
 
Colusa is making a lot of mistakes... they need to settle down to their normal play discipline.
 
And Birmingham gets on the board first after three plays. 7-0
 
Colusa answers with a score - can they make their PAT this time? -YES! Colusa 19-11
 
Streaming problems from Pasadena again. Last night, it took them about 15 minutes to get it back up running. But its back already.
 
Birmingham scores - this is a shooting match. PAT missed - Birmingham 13-7
 
Seems Colusa has settled down and it is showing. The Redhawks score 26-11
 
Birmingham WRs are really good as well. I'm surprised they are using two QBs.
 
Ouch - the Patriots score again. Goes for two and gets it. Birmingham 21-7
 
Sweetwater replies with their own score. The miss their PAT, Colusa 26-17
 
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