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I don't think SI will be in that bracket they will likely be in d1AA
And if they advanced deep play Lincoln or sierra canyon possibly
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I don't think SI will be in that bracket they will likely be in d1AA
And if they advanced deep play Lincoln or sierra canyon possibly
Let us not jump the gun on any of the WCAL's playoff units. We haven't even finished the regular season. SI (and the other WCAL playoff teams) will have a difficult CCS road ahead. Nothing is guaranteed. Just remember 2023 when the league's best flamed out to a large extent as public schools rose up and dashed WCAL hopes (Serra being an obvious exception). Of the 12 CCS divisional finalists last year, 10 were public schools. Only Serra and Palma represented the private/parochials.
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I'm not insinuating SI is going to make that deep. But, for any and all Northern California schools.
Do they really want to be in the Open Division knowing what the prize is at the end?
I actually want SI to make it and play MD. I want to see SI lose 77-0. Hummel gets PUMMELED. Hunkin is SUNKEN. Hogan for No Gain.
DLS will win out and get the open nod, Folsom vs. CCS open winner in the top norcal game
If we can get there as nothing is guaranteed. I'd take SI's chances against Folsom considering Serra beat them.
That’s we pre eligible transfers multiple D1 players didn’t play against Serra, I think Folsom wins rather handily and would roll Serra if they played again with their new transfers
That is entirely possible. But we won't know. All we do know is that Folsom was heavily favored in that early test (with or without transfers), playing at home and playing against a depleted Serra roster which featured a lacrosse player at QB for the first time in his career. Sorry, there are no guarantees in a rematch. Folsom has yet to beat the Padres.
By the way, major kudos to a public school like Folsom for competing against the private/parochials on a regular basis. There are more than a few diehard Folsom critics out there but your special Colonel is not one of them. It's only the illogical, defensive and bloviating Folsom tub-thumpers who fail to consider the big picture. Let's give Folsom its due and relax when it comes to woulda-coulda-shoulda.
Honesty, I think there is a lot of kudos to make Open. It suggests that you are the NorCal best even if the end game is an incredibly and impossibly difficult one.
Yes, DLS, 100% wants to be nowhere else but The Open and right or wrong they actually believe that can play the “Perfect Game” and win….
Also, I believe PITT wants to be in The Open because that would mean they Beat DLS in the playoffs…..
Disagree on this, Folsom Should be playing the best of the best…. They are an Open Enrollment school with a top noch feeder program that takes in tons of transfers and recruits from Reno on down, just to pile up stats and inflated rankings against weaker teams…..
Folsom has won like 10 or so section titles since 2010 and 5 lower level State Bowl Games….. So no Kudos for Folsom playing DLS and Serra, should have been happening for a long time….
The irony of this all is Folsom Should be Playing for the Open, but they Screwed themselves with The Folsom rule because they were so afraid of DLS…. 🤣
Do u respect DLS more than Folsom cause they more organic
Even tho a private alot less transfers and willing to play everyone
Folsom is a scared program and it’s ok to say that until they actually play teams that are on their level and when we see them play teams on their level they lose.
I truly don’t care about transfers, kids should be able to play where they feel it’s best for them….
My dislike for Folsom stems from The Folsom rule ruining the open play in and the Fact that before their current coach they avoided playing any top teams including DLS like the plague…. And when they did play DLS they got Boatraced….
Taylor and Richardson were Classless coaches that ran up the score on teams just to pad stats and embarrass high school kids that were way overmatched….
The fact a HS QB threw for 91 TD’s against inferior competition is disgusting…. Especially since his team didn’t need at least 50+ of those to actually win the games….. 🤣
This has Proven to be Fact…. 2-10 vs DLS and Serra getting Boatraced several times….
The teams which would give the south (MD, Bosco or Centennial; don’t sleep on the Huskies) just based on the way their offenses are structured as De La Salle and MAYBE St. Francis. Why do I say this? Well, talent aside both utilize offenses that go right at you and rarely lose yards.
When you stop De La Salle, it’s usually for a 1 yard gain and a loss of about 30 seconds. Same can kind of be said for St. Francis.
Serra, Folsom, SRV, Pitt and SI (doesn’t even sound right mentioning them in this conversation to be honest) do not have the patience to consistently try to go right at you and wear you down. They all eventually try to get cute and those 1 yard gains by DLS and SF turn into sacks, interceptions, or 5+ yard losses.
When you stop De La Salle, it’s usually for a 1 yard gain and a loss of about 30 seconds. Same can kind of be said for St. Francis.
Serra, Folsom, SRV, Pitt and SI (doesn’t even sound right mentioning them in this conversation to be honest) do not have the patience to consistently try to go right at you and wear you down. They all eventually try to get cute and those 1 yard gains by DLS and SF turn into sacks, interceptions, or 5+ yard losses.
I would mention Folsom over St Francis. I'm not really sold on them. I think to beat some of those teams down south you need to be able to run and pass AND be able to stop the run and pass given they tend to be strong in both. I think that will be the downfall of DLS in that game (could be wrong). I think Pitt actually would match up the best in NorCal, then DLS and Folsom at a further 3rd. Not sure anyone else in NorCal could be mentioned when talking about competing with the top SS teams.
Any team out of the North would be lucky to score a TD on Mater Dei in the State Championship unless MD plays their bench in the 4th Qtr because the game was already decided.
Otherwise, I don’t see it happening. They dismantled St. John Bosco who beat Serra and Pittsburgh handily with a QB that has since been replaced.
Otherwise, I don’t see it happening. They dismantled St. John Bosco who beat Serra and Pittsburgh handily with a QB that has since been replaced.
Folsom struggles against smash mouth teams. See DeLa and Serra. St. Francis is also a smash mouth football team. Very physical and well coached.
That maybe the cool thing to say but its not true for this Folsom team (and I'm honestly not a Folsom fan). Looking at that loss to Serra they lost it on offense and special teams. 2 turnovers in the 1st qtr ( I count the one when they went for it on 4th down from their own 4) and the onside kick by Serra to finish it out. I didn't look at that game and think Serra was the more physical team. Also they got their transfers on the team at this point.
Folsom's issue (and strength) honestly is with Lyons. He's great but sometime tries to do too much especially against top tier competition, and he's so good it works most of the time. I think he can hone that in and be deadly in a meaningful game when he just does his job,
Again not saying any of these teams will beat a SS top tier team. I will disagree that they can't score on them. I think DLS and Pitt can put up at least a couple of TD's, as well as Folsom. I actually think SM (St. Mary's) can put up some points on them (but still not win the game) just looking at the pure athletic talent these teams have on the offensive side.
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Are you sure?….. What Smash Mouth team has This Folsom Team played other than a 4 loss Serra team?…..
Serra beat them up and Folsom did what Folsom does which is make mistakes and bad coaching decisions and only scored 20 points…..
My guess is that once Folsom sees MD come out for Warm ups the whole Folsom team comes down with COVID….🤣
Please watch the Mater Dei vs St. John Bosco game to educate yourself about the heirarchy and talent gap between the #1 and the #2 teams in the State. Its not even close.
DLS, Pitt, and Folsom would be lucky to score against Mater Dei's starters.
Again I'm looking at film. Go back and look at that film and come back and say "Serra beat them up". Its objectionably false. I'll agree they definitely made stupid mistakes. The big plays Serra made to keep them in the game were pass plays and a couple of "trick" plays (role out pass hand off reverse). They had one drive which I would somewhat call smash mouth but that was it.
You can watch something over and over again and interpret it anyway you want…. The Bottom line is Folsom only scored 20 points, was out coached and out played by Serra and lost….
The rest is all semantics, but the reality it Folsom gets beat up by Serra and DLS and they lose over 80% of the time because Folsom is a soft team that plays a weak schedule…..
Folsom prefers a 7 on 7 type of games like they get in the SFL every week since all the best players in the area go to Folsom….. 🤣
This is exactly what someone says who's never coached, or had to review film to help your team get better (ie - coach). Its what people say who look at box scores and come to a conclusion not based in fact. if you are a coach this is how your team gets beat if you play them again. Teams who play the 1st week of the year aren't the same in week 10.
Again I'm not a Folsom fan, but looking at film they did NOT get "beat up". It's just a false narrative. Grouping teams from different years is also stupid IMO, even if they continuously lose when they go against each other. They DID get out coached, and out played when it mattered. We can agree there. Also the schedule could be better, I wish they did play better comp out of season.
OK I'll try do my best to educate myself on talent gaps! Isn't Riordan the most talented team in Norcal? I haven't educated myself on their record yet yet but are they undefeated?
I'm not saying any of these teams would be MD. Could they score 2 TD's yes I think at least a couple of them could IF they are not one-dimensional in their offense. Thats my only point to respond to this whole thread.
You obviously have never been on the MaxPreps football site to see how the current and previous seasons are categorized.
You should venture out more you might learn something.
And that drive was in the 4th quarter of a one score game.
I sat in the shade on the Folsom side last year at Serra, I heard the Folsom coaches trying to sell their players on "We're the more physical team". When you're trying to convince your team of it, you know you're not.
I watched the game last year and was at the game this year. Last year no chance in hell Folsom was more physical or better than Serra. Serra was best in NorCal last season, no questions.
This season I didn’t walk away from the game thinking Serra was more physical. I thought both teams were about even on that front. Serra outplayed Folsom this season, plain and simple. Folsom has a better roster but Serra knew how to beat them. All props to Serra as they found a way to win the game late in the 4th when I thought Folsom was about to pull away.
If the two teams played again I think Folsom wins. They have some big time players that didn’t play in that game including maybe the best lineman in all of NorCal.
I hope Folsom gets to play the top team from the WCAL in the playoffs and not Pitt again….
I would love to see a Folsom vs St. Francis matchup
Where is Johnny Cash when we really need him? It's time for "Folsom Football Blues." Bring along Roseanne Cash too. She can hum the Folsom Fight Song.
Pretty good matchups as the WCAL winds down to its final 2 games:
- SI @ SHC (Kezar Stadium). It's the "Bruce"! Anything can happen!
- St. Francis @ Valley Christian. WCAL title implications on Skyway Drive.
- Mitty @ Bellarmine The Bells seek their first win of the season over their San Jose rival
- Serra @ Riordan Should be a packed house on Alumni day. Interesting note: Starting in 2000 - former coaches (Peralta and Langridge) and former player (Darius Bell) have multiple wins each over the Padres. They are all now at Serra.
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