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WCAL Football 2018 - San Jose Merc All Bay Area Team

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"FBAddict[/B], post: 206782, member: 172"]Maybe but I think its the other way - PV is not very good this year.
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Last season VC defeated PV by 55-3. So is this PV team that much better than last years' or is VC that much weaker this season? [only a differential of 2 scores in the game & I had projected PV to win]. Hard to say, but my guess is somewhere in the middle. It's impossible to judge Wilcox D just yet as they've played 2 games & allowed 6 points in both games. If as you say PV is not very good then VC's win last night of 27-14 is not encouraging news for VC fans.
 
After two games, we have learned a couple of things about Serra which defeated visiting Elk Grove today in San Mateo, 41-17:

1. Do not _ repeat, do not _ ever kick to the Padres' Rango. It's a recipe for disaster. Pooch it if you must. But avoid Rango (who had two kickoffs returned for TD's, perhaps a school record).
2. Treat the Serra rushing attack as a calculated diversion. It's strictly a modest afterthought at this juncture.
3. Pound away at the Mateans' defense if you can (Hello, St. Francis). They are missing their best DE, Malani. He's a force of nature on his side of the field.

Serra won this contest with strong special teams and an opportunistic defense (a fumble recovery and interception for TD's).

The Padres have work to do. Fortunately, the WCAL is not what it's been lately. It's down a tad in 2018.
 
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colhenrylives said:
We learned a couple of things about Serra today as they defeated visiting Elk Grove in San Mateo, 41-17:

1. Do not _ repeat, do not _ ever kick to the Padres' Rango. It's a recipe for disaster. Pooch it if you must. But avoid Rango.
2. Treat the Serra rushing attack as a calculated diversion. It's strictly a modest afterthought at this juncture.
3. Pound away at the Mateans' defense if you can. They are missing their best DE.

Serra won this contest with strong special teams and an opportunistic defense.

The Padres have work to do. Fortunately, the WCAL is not what it's been lately.
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Another WCAL Saturday final score: Campo 34, SI 21. Riordan needs to win tonight to bring the WCAL's non-league log to 8-8.
 
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Regarding the Serra win over Elk Grove and comments regarding a lackluster run game by the Padres.
Was David Coker playing & if so was he getting carries? Coker improved throughout last season and was terrific in the last 2 games of 2017 - the NorCal game against Tulare County & then Cajon in the state final. I don't remember Coker getting a lot of carries vs Serra-Gardena last week, so how about today? Is the Serra O-line opening holes OR are there holes in the O-line?
 
Rmbr26 said:
Regarding the Serra win over Elk Grove and comments regarding a lackluster run game by the Padres.
Was David Coker playing & if so was he getting carries? Coker improved throughout last season and was terrific in the last 2 games of 2017 - the NorCal game against Tulare County & then Cajon in the state final. I don't remember Coker getting a lot of carries vs Serra-Gardena last week, so how about today? Is the Serra O-line opening holes OR are there holes in the O-line?
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Coker played and carried the melon. All of Serra's key backs were available. There does not appear to be a signature back, a stud workhorse. The OL did not dominate. Pass blocking is their specialty right now. Come to think about it, the short passing game is their running game, along with QB scrambles or design keepers.
 
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I had SRV at 42-14 & the projected score was actually more, sounds like running clock in 4th. Hard to remember a
pre-season like this for the WCAL...

It's now appearing that the league at least this season is 3 tiers as follows:

Serra
SF

VC
Mitty

SHC/S.I.
Bell's
Riordan

What's troubling is the gap in between the tiers & esp at the lower tier with 1/2 the league's teams. CCS post-season to be a different animal this year.

Just saw latest post - SRV 31-0 over Riordan end of 1rst?? I hate to say it but sounds like a varsity playing a JV team. Hope SRV has enough class to call the dogs off..:(

 
Rmbr26 said:
I had SRV at 42-14 & the projected score was actually more, sounds like running clock in 4th. Hard to remember a
pre-season like this for the WCAL...

It's now appearing that the league at least this season is 3 tiers as follows:

Serra
SF

VC
Mitty

SHC/S.I.
Bell's
Riordan

What's troubling is the gap in between the tiers & esp at the lower tier with 1/2 the league's teams. CCS post-season to be a different animal this year.

Just saw latest post - SRV 31-0 over Riordan end of 1rst?? I hate to say it but sounds like a varsity playing a JV team. Hope SRV has enough class to call the dogs off..:(
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Don't blame SRV if they keep scoring. It's Riordan's job to stop them.
 
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45-0 at halftime. Good heavens. Nearly 100 digits allowed in six periods by the Crusaders so far in 2018.
 
Just a thought: Off the first two weeks, it looks like St. Francis is just about guaranteed no worse than a 6-1 league record.
 
with back to back defensive "efforts" by Riordan, you can conclude very early that they are soft. Understandable you might have a roster of kids that do not want to get hurt and maybe have concussions/head injuries in the back of their minds.
 
iamgearyblvd said:
with back to back defensive "efforts" by Riordan, you can conclude very early that they are soft. Understandable you might have a roster of kids that do not want to get hurt and maybe have concussions/head injuries in the back of their minds.
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It’s bc off the lost of players to graduation that is effecting to them so the coaches had to rely on the jv team from last yr which a good number of them either quit or transferred out
 
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The Crusader Frosh fared the best of all 3 teams losing their opener @ SRV 28-14 on Thursday.
 
SRV is a very good program that came close to beating dls two yrs ago and in my opinion could beat any wcal team this season
 
[B said:
"Calispectator,[/B] post: 206833, member: 7279"]SRV is a very good program that came close to beating dls two yrs ago and in my opinion could beat any wcal team this season
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Think most fans would agree with you to a point "Cali" except for the point that both SF & Serra would take SRV down by more than one score IMO..
 
Scott2138 said:
No, I think SHC did losing to Palma 26-18. SI lost 27-6. Keep in mind a loss is a loss though.
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Scott, meant of the 3 Crusader team results vs SRV this weekend. Just not good football right now. Hoping for some improvement this week.
 
Game stats for Serra vs. Elk Grove indicate that the Padres had just over 200 yards total offense and eight first downs on Saturday. Elk Grove had more than 400 yards and 24 first downs. Serra faces Pittsburg this week. Not a walk in the park.
 
Serra won as expected & by a large margin as expected. The down side though is the 24 first downs (is that accurate?) & 400 yards of offense the Padre D gave up to Elk Grove.
Just hearing the stats most would think Elk Grove won the game. If Serra gives up an avg of 6 first downs per quarter to Pitt the score of yesterdays game could very well be reversed.
 
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Serra won as expected & by a large margin as expected. The down side though is the 24 first downs (is that accurate?) & 400 yards of offense the Padre D gave up to Elk Grove.
Just hearing the stats most would think Elk Grove won the game. If Serra gives up an avg of 6 first downs per quarter to Pitt the score of yesterdays game could very well be reversed.
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As of right now, St. Francis seems to be the clear-cut favorite to capture the WCAL title. Things will no doubt change along the way. But the Lancers, for now, no matter what happens vs. DLS this week, appear to be the most complete (and the most physical) team in the league.
 
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On Saturday, it was almost as though Elk Grove had not scouted Serra's special teams much at all. They kicked to Rango several times, a huge mistake. Video of last year's performance by Rango in the state title game would have provided more than enough information on that young man's stunning ability in the open field. So, as a result, Rango returned two kickoffs for long TD's. Those plays were back-breakers. It's hard to imagine WCAL teams making the same mistake.
 
Recent Games Scores:

Bell's 13-12 over Clovis North
Palma 17-14 over SHC
SF 35-7 over Oak Grove
VC 27-14 over PV
MA 28-21 over Mitty
Campo 34-21 over S.I.
SRV 55-0 over Riordan
Serra 41-17 over Elk Grove


Rmbr26 Game Predictions:

Clovis North 20-7 over Bell’s
Palma 35-20 over SHC
SF 35-7 over Oak Grove
Pleasant Valley 20-13 over Valley Christian
Mitty 28-20 over MA
Campolindo 28-14 over S.I.
SRV 42-14 over Riordan
Serra 42-14 over Elk Grove

* Bell's get a desperately needed win & prove me wrong. Maybe there is some hope after all.
* SHC in a good effort comes up just short - would have been a great win.
* SF as predicted takes care of business.
* VC grinds out a win on the road.
* Mitty plays well but not good enough against a solid M-A team.
* Campo over S.I. as predicted - Wildcats just don;t have the "horses".
* SRV simply too much for an undermanned Riordan team - is there any answer as to improvement?
* Serra as predicted though win based on special teams & defense - offense needs to get untracked, esp run game.

How it's looking after 2 games:
1] SF
2] Serra
3] Mitty
4] VC
5] SHC
6] Bell's/S.I.
8] Riordan
 
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Rmbr26 said:
Recent Games Scores:

Bell's 13-12 over Clovis North
Palma 17-14 over SHC
SF 35-7 over Oak Grove
VC 27-14 over PV
MA 28-21 over Mitty
Campo 34-21 over S.I.
SRV 55-0 over Riordan
Serra 41-17 over Elk Grove


Rmbr26 Game Predictions:

Clovis North 20-7 over Bell’s
Palma 35-20 over SHC
SF 35-7 over Oak Grove
Pleasant Valley 20-13 over Valley Christian
Mitty 28-20 over MA
Campolindo 28-14 over S.I.
SRV 42-14 over Riordan
Serra 42-14 over Elk Grove

* Bell's get a desperately needed win & prove me wrong. Maybe there is some hope after all.
* SHC in a good effort comes up just short - would have been a great win.
* SF as predicted takes care of business.
* VC grinds out a win on the road.
* Mitty plays well but not good enough against a solid M-A team.
* Campo over S.I. as predicted - Wildcats just don;t have the "horses".
* SRV simply too much for an undermanned Riordan team - is there any answer as to improvement?
* Serra as predicted though win based on special teams & defense - offense needs to get untracked, esp run game.

How it's looking after 2 games:
1] SF
2] Serra
3] Mitty
4] VC
5] SHC
6] Bell's/S.I.
8] Riordan
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Those updated ratings look about right. Bellarmine still a question mark. So is Serra. VC might be better than we think.
 
Just for shits and giggles, here's a purely subjective CCS top ten after two weeks of action:

1. St. Francis
2. Menlo-Atherton
3. Wilcox
4. Serra
5. Valley Christian
6. Mitty
7. Aptos
8. Palo Alto
9. Bellarmine
10. Carmel
 
colhenrylives said:
Just for shits and giggles, here's a purely subjective CCS top ten after two weeks of action:

1. St. Francis
2. Menlo-Atherton
3. Wilcox
4. Serra
5. Valley Christian
6. Mitty
7. Aptos
8. Palo Alto
9. Bellarmine
10. Carmel
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...and Carmel might be too low...unsure right now...and then there's Palma and Terra Nova too...unclear...Aragon a total mystery today...same for Salinas...
 
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colhenrylives said:
Just for shits and giggles, here's a purely subjective CCS top ten after two weeks of action:

1. St. Francis
2. Menlo-Atherton
3. Wilcox
4. Serra
5. Valley Christian
6. Mitty
7. Aptos
8. Palo Alto
9. Bellarmine
10. Carmel
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1. SF - Most complete team so far and battle tested senior class. They're a clear #1 in my mind.

2. Serra - Tough loss against a very good team and then a sloppy win. Adjusting to new coordinators but system and talent is there. Need some time.

3. M-A - Have they turned a corner and are ready to establish themselves as a CCS Elite? It seems so early in the season.

4. Aptos - Look very sharp, physical, and are executing at a high level. Picking them to win their league.

5. Wilcox - Impressive win over VC, but VC still seems to be an unknown as does Wilcox. Will need a few more weeks to sort it out but Wilcox is the clear favorite to win their league.

6. Mitty - Played M-A tough and the clear #3 team in the WCAL at this early stage. Can they prove it by beating VC and taking down an SF or Serra?

7. Valley Christian - Is Wilcox that good or is VC down? Still need some time to figure it out but they don't appear to be in a place to challenge SF or Serra this year.

8. Carmel - Win over Salinas is the reason they are here. Similar to Wilcox though is Salinas down or is Carmel that good? They'll win CCS if they stay healthy but their ranking here is tied to Salinas' season.

9. Bellarmine - I debated Palo Alto, Terra Nova, or Aragon in these last spots but just not enough quality wins there. Bellarmine lost 28-0 to M-A which is not a bad loss, then got by Clovis North. Need to see more from the others before I put them above the Bells.

10. Palo Alto - Gave them the edge over Terra Nova for beating SI and HMB which are better wins than San Benito/Carlmont in my mind. Can they make a run in league? Early returns seem to say yes they can compete.

Outside looking in - Terra Nova, Aragon, Palma, Los Gatos, Milpitas, Salinas
 
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1. SF - Most complete team so far and battle tested senior class. They're a clear #1 in my mind.

2. Serra - Tough loss against a very good team and then a sloppy win. Adjusting to new coordinators but system and talent is there. Need some time.

3. M-A - Have they turned a corner and are ready to establish themselves as a CCS Elite? It seems so early in the season.

4. Aptos - Look very sharp, physical, and are executing at a high level. Picking them to win their league.

5. Wilcox - Impressive win over VC, but VC still seems to be an unknown as does Wilcox. Will need a few more weeks to sort it out but Wilcox is the clear favorite to win their league.

6. Mitty - Played M-A tough and the clear #3 team in the WCAL at this early stage. Can they prove it by beating VC and taking down an SF or Serra?

7. Valley Christian - Is Wilcox that good or is VC down? Still need some time to figure it out but they don't appear to be in a place to challenge SF or Serra this year.

8. Carmel - Win over Salinas is the reason they are here. Similar to Wilcox though is Salinas down or is Carmel that good? They'll win CCS if they stay healthy but their ranking here is tied to Salinas' season.

9. Bellarmine - I debated Palo Alto, Terra Nova, or Aragon in these last spots but just not enough quality wins there. Bellarmine lost 28-0 to M-A which is not a bad loss, then got by Clovis North. Need to see more from the others before I put them above the Bells.

10. Palo Alto - Gave them the edge over Terra Nova for beating SI and HMB which are better wins than San Benito/Carlmont in my mind. Can they make a run in league? Early returns seem to say yes they can compete.

Outside looking in - Terra Nova, Aragon, Palma, Los Gatos, Milpitas, Salinas
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I think I like your ratings better than mine. Nice work.
 
ncpfan - your comments are spot-on & correct that a lot of questions still to be answered for many teams until another 1-2 games played. Still not positive about which way to place SF & Serra as Serra comes out on top in the various ratings systems based upon the first 2 games of opponents & scores. It's easy for people to think SF should be ranked higher based upon the first game - Serra fell to Serra-Gardena 42-21 & SF defeated Notre Dame-Sherman Oaks 23-12. The issue is Notre Dame is no where close to the level of Serra's opponent Serra-Gardena. Looking at Freeman's the 2 teams [Serra-Gardena & Notre Dame] are miles apart in their ratings. Notre Dame is rated & ranked nearly exact the same as Mitty. While Serra's win over Elk Grove may have seemed a bit on the "sloppy side", the score reflects that even with mistakes Serra won by large margin of 41-17 [+24 points]. My prediction was Serra 42-14 [+28 points]. Was Serra's loss to the best team any WCAL team has faced along with a "sloppy" 24-point win enough to rank Serra below SF? SF just won 35-7 over Oak Grove though Serra's opponent Elk Grove is rated as a much better team. So both teams Serra has played are rated as better opponents than the 2 teams SF has played.
Not so sure myself, SF-Serra or maybe the other way around as the ratings would suggest..
It's Serra vs SF in the last league game of the season so we'll have to wait a bit for a definite answer.

I will post the WCAL & other Top CCS teams in order of performance ratings from the first 2 games and some teams may surprise you. While the performance ratings combined do not predict head to head team outcomes they do point to the direction teams may be headed based on how well they played their first 2 opponents [along with how their opponent played in their 2nd game].

Coming Up..
 
Serra's win wasn't so much sloppy as it was telling. Turnovers and penalties were not major issues Saturday. The Padres' defense had problems with the Elk Grove rushing attack and, conversely, the Serra run game was almost invisible. Again. Against Serra-Gardena, that same lack was very apparent. The eyeball test indicates that Serra has skill players, most of them small, including running backs. A big, slashing, fast ball carrier does not appear to be on the roster this year, at least so far. And the Serra O-line seems to be geared up as a pass-blocking unit primarily. Pittsburg should be a severe challenge if the Padres can't run the ball and keep the Pirates' defense honest. And don't expect Pittsburg to gift Serra with kicks to Rango. That ship has probably sailed once and for all as of 3 p.m. Saturday.
 
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According to the WCAL website, the combined league frosh/JV teams went 2-8 this past weekend. Only the St. Francis frosh and JV's won. All the rest lost, some by big margins.
 
colhenrylives said:
Serra's win wasn't so much sloppy as it was telling. Turnovers and penalties were not major issues Saturday. The Padres' defense had problems with the Elk Grove rushing attack and, conversely, the Serra run game was almost invisible. Again. Against Serra-Gardena, that same lack was very apparent. The eyeball test indicates that Serra has skill players, most of them small, including running backs. A big, slashing, fast ball carrier does not appear to be on the roster this year, at least so far. And the Serra O-line seems to be geared up as a pass-blocking unit primarily. Pittsburg, though winless right now, should be a severe challenge if the Padres can't run the ball and keep the Pirates' defense honest. And don't expect Pittsburg to gift Serra with kicks to Rango. That ship has probably sailed once and for all as of 3 p.m. Saturday.
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Pitt has a win over st Mary’s of stockton
 
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