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Playoff Weather - 11/22 and 11/23/2024

I always try to explain to the younger generation that the pass-happy spread offenses they’ve grown up in weren’t possible to run back in day due to field conditions.

Not only were all fields grass, many of them weren’t maintained all that well and had games being played on them all week long — often by 3-4 different schools. Divots and pot holes galore.

At one point in time, San Juan HS hosted San Juan, Bella Vista, Del Campo, Casa Roble, La Sierra, and Mesa Verde. El Camino HS hosted El Camino, Encina, Mira Loma, Rio Americano, and a few others I’m forgetting.

By midseason, the middle of the field was worn down completely and mostly just dirt. And then when the rain started falling in October and November — the field was a gigantic mud pit. Footing was terrible, and the speed of the game was slower as a result. Also, the ball was not only water-logged but covered in mud as well — no matter how much they tried to switch out or clean the footballs.

The difficulties with field and ball conditions was why the vast majority of programs ran run-oriented, ball control offenses.

I remember being at the 1984 D2 Championship between El Camino and Oakdale at Abbott Field. It was a cold, windy, rainy evening. The game ended in regulation at 0-0. EC ended up winning 6-0 in the old CA style OT.

Neither team could sustain sustain drives or avoid costly fumbles.

I also try to remind the younger generation that prior to the early 2000’s, only the top 2 teams from each league qualified for the postseason. A third place team from certain leagues could also make it, but it was on a rotational basis.

In 1996, Grant Union, Nevada Union and Del Campo ended the regular season in a 3-way tie in the Capital Athletic League at 6-1. All three teams were 9-1 overall. But the CAL didn’t get a 3rd playoff spot that season due to rotation, so the 2 participants were determined via a 3-way coin flip.

Nevada Union lost the coin flip. Imagine being 9-1 with your only loss being by 1-point on a last second play and you don’t qualify for the postseason?! Crazy thing is, that 1996 Miners team might have been among their very best teams of that era. Better than some of their section title winners. But they were ousted in a manner that wouldn’t happen today or at any point over the past 20 years.

My junior season in 1987 my team went 7-3 and 4-2 in a D1 league. We didn’t qualify for the postseason.

Between the superior field conditions, facility, weight room, and equipment improvements, and changes to the overtime and postseason systems — these kids have absolutely no idea how fortunate they are to be playing in this current era.
Bingo... The middle of the field was tractor pull quality. Just a mud pit and the kid with the 1 inch screw in cleats had the only advantage.... Different world today.

Very Early Look at the CIF Bowl Divisions - 2024

Put the bottle down Larry 🤣, usually you are right on, but not on this one.

The original original streak for De La Salle reached 44 games and was broken at the Coliseum in the 87 NCS final by Monte Vista 14-13. The year before De La Salle had moved up to 3A and beat Monte Vista 24 to 7.

The ‘87 game had trick plays, bench clearing fight and came down to the wire on a controversial two point conversion attempt Rob Forrester was “stopped” by Steve Abrams at the pylon (personally think je was in). At the time De La Salle was chasing Cardinal Newman’s win streak which was 47 and at the time was a state record (ended by San Marin in ‘77 or ‘78).

DLS and Newman did play for the 2A title at the Coliseum in ‘84 . Vice and Vaez led Newman and Panella DLS. DLS beat them like 38-20.
Its the purple drank @bella123 ..... I think I was getting mixed up withe Newman had the prior longest win streak in the state before DLS streak. Wasn't that in the 70-80s?

Very Early Look at the CIF Bowl Divisions - 2024

CN has to beat SRV and the loser of the Pitt/DLS game to advance to norcal correct? That is just insane. The Newman vs MC game was better than 90% of the bowl games/teams will be and that was a 1st round section game. What a joke.

I also think if Pitt wins they go but Folsom is ranked higher in virtually every poll.
If Pitt beats DLS, they will not only be 11-1 with their only loss being a tough battle (initially) to Bosco, but they’d be the first team in 34 years to beat DLS in the NCS playoffs. Certainly their ranking would improve with such a win, and it’s a better win than any of Folsom’s. The loss to Serra is way worse than losing to Bosco.

Yes, CN has to beat both SRV and the DLS-Pitt loser to advance to NorCal. I’m not saying they’ll do it, but I think they’ve got a puncher’s chance (and not 58 year old Tyson). SRV is solid, but Cal was within 5 points in the 4th quarter of their first matchup with SRV, and I think CN is a better team than Cal. Plus I read on here that CN is the slight favorite at least by 1 service.

If they beat SRV and face DLS, then I think their season’s over. But if they play a then 2-loss Pitt team that is beat up from just playing DLS, you just never know. Good luck to CN.

Very Early Look at the CIF Bowl Divisions - 2024

Put the bottle down Larry 🤣, usually you are right on, but not on this one.

The original original streak for De La Salle reached 44 games and was broken at the Coliseum in the 87 NCS final by Monte Vista 14-13. The year before De La Salle had moved up to 3A and beat Monte Vista 24 to 7.

The ‘87 game had trick plays, bench clearing fight and came down to the wire on a controversial two point conversion attempt Rob Forrester was “stopped” by Steve Abrams at the pylon (personally think je was in). At the time De La Salle was chasing Cardinal Newman’s win streak which was 47 and at the time was a state record (ended by San Marin in ‘77 or ‘78).

DLS and Newman did play for the 2A title at the Coliseum in ‘84 . Vice and Vaez led Newman and Panella DLS. DLS beat them like 38-20.
Its the purple drank @bella123 ..... I think I was getting mixed up withe Newman had the prior longest win streak in the state before DLS streak. Wasn't that in the 70-80s?
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NCP Pick'em: Playoffs Week 2

Streak,I’m shocked my friend,I was looking forward to seeing
Placer vs Twelve Bridges 2 on the list….there must be a real good reason as to why this 2nd game (this yr) between these two programs is absent,1st game was exciting as neither teams D could stop the other,the difference being a couple Placer miscues,one of which was a pic 6….I honestly felt this 2nd game was deserving of being on this list as was the 1st,even more so now since it’s the semi game of the D4 playoffs.Streak,plz don’t take my post here anything more than I am just surprised this game is not on the list,that’s all! Thanks for the great job you do….just don’t let this happen again!😂😂😂😂😂😂
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NCP Pick'em: Playoffs Week 2

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Here are the games for this week. Picks are due at 7:00 PM on Friday. Game of the Week is De La Salle-Pittsburg

Turlock at Oak Ridge
Grant at St. Mary’s-Stockton
Manteca at Rocklin
St. Francis vs. St. Ignatius
Menlo vs. Palma
Los Gatos at Riordan
Hollister vs. Carmel
De La Salle vs. Pittsburg
Cardinal Newman at San Ramon Valley
Windsor at Amador Valley

Calpreps and its "Playoff Bump"

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Well, remember that there is always a 'predictive' algorithm that is different than the normal rating one. I'm unsure exactly how they're adding this bump, but clearly that Soquel team wasn't going to beat St. Francis as was predicted.
moved the game to neutral site in Redwood City although it is North of Atherton and at 7PM instead of 1PM on Sat.

Preseason NCP Boys Basketball Top 20

1. Salesian (31-2)

The Pride will start the year in the same spot they ended 2023-2024 with key returners like Alvin Loving (Yale) and junior Elias Obenyah. More players to watch include Leon Powe Jr., Isaiah Davis and Carlton Perrilliat. Salesian has games against Ygnacio Valley and Modesto Christian before playing in the Gridley Invitational Basketball Tournament.

2. Riordan (25-5)

The Crusaders remain flush with talent led by Texas A&M bound Jasir Renchar, UC Irvine bound post Steven Emeneke, top junior guard Andrew Hillman, versatile senior John Tofi and other seniors to watch in Kirby Seals and Ryder Bush. Riordan will be tested in the first month with a game against San Ramon Valley and trips to Gridley and Torrey Pines.

3. Modesto Christian (28-6)

Coming off the SJS Division I title and a NorCal Open Division win at De La Salle, Modesto Christian projects to remain in the mix with the return of Long Beach State signee Gavin Sykes and Stanford 2026 commit Myles Jones. Senior Ry Atkins and Mason Brown also figure to play key roles. The Crusaders start off the season with tough NorCal competition with Moreau Catholic, Oakland and Salesian and will host their tournament at the end of December.

4. De La Salle (25-6)

For the Spartans, it starts with do-it-all senior Alec Blair, who is pledged to play basketball and baseball at Oklahoma. Braddock Kjellesvig and Ibrahim Monawar are also ranked prospects to suit up for De La Salle, which starts the season at the NorCal Tip-Off Classic with Crespi and will host its Chris Vontoure Classic with Santa Margarita on the other side of the bracket. De La Salle will play in the HoopHall Classic in Arizona at the beginning of January.

5. San Ramon Valley (29-8)

UC Irvine bound Luke Isaak, Mason Thomas, Thoms Conley and Elliot Conley are part of a returning core for the 2024 NorCal Division I champions. We will get a good idea of the Wolves in the first few weeks of the season with a game against Lincoln-Stockton at the NorCal Tip-Off Classic, Riordan at the Crusader Classic and the Gridley Invitational Basketball Tournament.

6. Destiny Christian (23-9)

With a new name and mascot, the Destiny Christian Academy Lions start the year as the top team in the Sacramento Area. Jaylen Valdez averaged 19 points, five rebounds and four assists per game last year and will be joined by Myles Wiggins, Jephte Tambala and Danny Panda. The schedule starts tough with games against Vanden, Dublin and Weston Ranch before a trip to Gridley.

7. St. Ignatius (21-8)

Can St. Ignatius break into the top tier of the WCAL that has been controlled by Riordan and Mitty in recent years? With returners like Raymond Whitley, Ty Landers, Steele LaBagh and Vince Crisp, the Wildcats will start in the Top 10. They will take on Vanden at the NorCal Tip-Off Classic and also take on San Ramon Valley at the Crusader Classic at Riordan.

8. Rocklin (28-4)

The Thunder start the 2024-2025 season with a strong inside-outside combo with Sacramento State bound post Mark Lavrenov (18 points, 11 rebounds) and guard Josiah Andrews (15 points, three rebounds, three assists). Overall, they return four of their top six scorers. Rocklin takes on Inderkum at the Fortune Showcase on November 23 and will travel to Torrey Pines to end December.

9. Dougherty Valley (21-11)

Dougherty Valley made a surprising run to win the NCS Division I title last year led in part by then freshman guard Rylan Sevilla. He is joined by a pair of projected impact transfers with Jalen Stokes, who has signed with UC Davis, and junior guard Rashad Cotton. The Wildcats will play Clovis North on November 30 at the Bishop O’Dowd Showcase, Moreau Catholic on December 7 at the NorCal Ultimate Challenge and the Santa Barbara Holiday Classic post Christmas.

10. Mitty (23-8)

Mitty lost a pair of Division I recruits, but few programs have consistently been around the Open Division as Mitty since its inception in 2013. Leading the charge this season is talented junior guard Caedon Hutcherson. Mitty has a single game against Monterey Trail and will be at the Father Barry Classic at Jesuit. The Monarchs will also stay local post Christmas with a tournament at San Leandro.

11. Folsom (17-12)

The Bulldogs played with just one senior on the roster last season to end a six year run of winning at least a share of the SFL title. Chase Rawlins (UC Davis) and Joven Dulay each averaged 17 points per game last year and Kaiser Bowen is a guard to watch. Folsom will take part in the Edison Winners Classic and will host its Stan Harms Classic from December 19-21.

12. Oakland Tech (30-5)

Oakland Tech won the Division II state title and is bringing back one of the top unsigned seniors in Adarius Grayson. In total, the Bulldogs return three of their top four scorers including rising prospect Xan Meyer-Plettner. Oakland Tech will play Moreau Catholic and Sheldon at the O’Dowd Thanksgiving Classic on November 29 and 30 and will take on St. Joseph-Santa Maria at the Mission Prep Showcase.

13. Moreau Catholic (21-8)

The Mariners were expected to be among the top teams in the NCS this season with a returning core of Cole Loud, Dominic Walker and Kareem Jackson Jr.. In total, six of the top seven scorers are back and they have added Pacific signee Kellen Hampton, who played at Moreau Catholic earlier in his career. Moreau Catholic starts the year against Top 20 teams Oakland Tech, Modesto Christian and Dougherty Valley before a trip to Hawaii.

14. Inderkum (23-8)

Inderkum put four players in double figures last season and three of them are back with sophomore Siincere Hudson, senior Taylen Goodman and senior Malachi Johnson. The Tigers open the season against Rocklin and will take part in the Clovis West Nike Invitational with games against San Joaquin Memorial and Clovis West.

15. Lincoln-Stockton (26-7)

Anthony Moore (Weber State) is back as a potential All-NorCal player to lead the Trojans, which reached the SJS Division I finals in 2024. Isaiah Davis and Donez Lindsey also averaged double figures as juniors. Lincoln takes on San Ramon Valley at the NorCal Tip-Off Classic and will participate in Edison Winners Classic.

16. Branson (23-8)

Branson had the best backcourt in NorCal last year with Jase Butler (now at Washington) and Semetri Carr (now at Redwood HS), but will need to rebuild on the fly. A good starting point is sophomore guard NJ Gray, who had a breakout summer. Sophomore Heath French and junior Chase Robertson are other players to watch. The Bulls start off at the NorCal Tip-Off Classic against Ygnacio Valley, which also has a good case for the Top 20 inclusion. They will also play in the Gridley Invitational Basketball Tournament, the Tarkanian Classic and The Classic at Damian.

17. Vanden (24-9)

The duo of Tyler Thompson and Ahsan Huff have graduated, but there is talent remaining for the Vikings. Juniors James Carraway and Michael Wright have emerged as 2026 recruits to watch while senior Isaih Dixon and sophomore Templeton Fountaine V will be key contributors too.

18. Sacramento (25-8)

The Dragons are slated to return six of their top eight scorers led by senior Sir Marius Jones, who averaged 21 points per game. Sacramento will play Clovis North at the Heart of California Classic and also play Ygnacio Valley in the preseason. Moving to the MEL, it will compete with fellow Top 20 program Vanden.

19. Clayton Valley Charter (23-10)

When putting together a high school basketball team, starting with a Division I level guard is a good spot. The Eagles have that in Elijah Perryman (Utah State). Junior Vince Ellis also emerged with nine points per game as a sophomore. Clayton Valley Charter plays Weston Ranch and Clovis West before heading to Gridley for the GIBT. They will also host their Riley Christiansen Memorial Classic.

20. Franklin-Elk Grove (23-7)

Aiden Rollins has emerged as one of the top guards in Northern California and was the Wildcats’ leading scorer last season. He is part of five of the top seven scorers back for Franklin, which will host its Wildcat Winter Classic starting on December 12.
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NCP Pick'em: Playoffs Week 2

My picks in bold ...

10) Grant at St. Mary’s-Stockton *
09) Turlock at Oak Ridge
08) Hollister vs. Carmel
07) Manteca at Rocklin
06) Cardinal Newman at San Ramon Valley
05) Los Gatos at Riordan
04) Windsor at Amador Valley
03) St. Francis vs. St. Ignatius
02) Menlo vs. Palma
01) De La Salle vs. Pittsburg (28-31)

As a huge St. Mary’s-Stockton homer, I am going on a limb and picking the CalPrep underdog Rams of Stockton to defeat the heavy favorite visiting Pacers from Del Paso Heights. Also, going against CalPreps in picking the #1 seed Rocklin over the #4 seed Manteca.

From CalPreps …

II PLAYOFFS

Manteca (CA) vs. Rocklin (CA), 7:00pm [projection and percent chances to win: Manteca (CA) 28 (53%) Rocklin (CA) 27 (47%)]

St. Mary's (Stockton, CA) vs. Grant (Sacramento, CA), 7:00pm [projection and percent chances to win: Grant (Sacramento, CA) 41 (88%) St. Mary's (Stockton, CA) 22 (12%)]

Very Early Look at the CIF Bowl Divisions - 2024

How would you say the ncs privates have been coddled? And how would you divide teams into different levels of play?
In no other CIF section would CN and MC be playing D4. At lowest, they'd be D2. The fact they've been allowed to beat up on small public schools for so long is amazing.

Look at similar-sized private schools in other sections. Palma is in CCS D2 (they were in D1 in 2022). Menlo is in CCS D2. Central Catholic is... er, was in SJS D1. St. Mary's is in SJS D2.

There really is no question that both CN and MC were among the top 8 teams in the NCS this year. Even if you did something similar to the CCS or SJS and made a declaration of the RE-A league, not much would change. It was the 2nd best league in the NCS this year. Why would anyone not expect them to be in the top division?

Larry was remarking on how close their game was last week for a "1st round game"... but all playoff games should be fairly competitive. I fully expect this week's game between CN and SRV to be good, too. I would not be surprised at all if CN wins.

There can be an argument to have some sort of involvement of enrollment, but 800 students at a public school is not the same as 800 at a private. It just isn't.

Calpreps and its "Playoff Bump"

Do you think there is an algorithm involved? It seems almost arbitrary. It seems like case- Palma rating hasn't been adjusted and below Menlo but Palma is favored. You would think they would adjust the score before the projection. Seems they go into the system and just adjust the projection.
Well, remember that there is always a 'predictive' algorithm that is different than the normal rating one. I'm unsure exactly how they're adding this bump, but clearly that Soquel team wasn't going to beat St. Francis as was predicted.
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Playoff Weather - 11/22 and 11/23/2024

Going to be a tad wet... But recall those days with the grass fields and the mud bowls this time of the year. At least with the field turf the game isn't nearly as impacted in monsoons.

I always try to explain to the younger generation that the pass-happy spread offenses they’ve grown up in weren’t possible to run back in day due to field conditions.

Not only were all fields grass, many of them weren’t maintained all that well and had games being played on them all week long — often by 3-4 different schools. Divots and pot holes galore.

At one point in time, San Juan HS hosted San Juan, Bella Vista, Del Campo, Casa Roble, La Sierra, and Mesa Verde. El Camino HS hosted El Camino, Encina, Mira Loma, Rio Americano, and a few others I’m forgetting.

By midseason, the middle of the field was worn down completely and mostly just dirt. And then when the rain started falling in October and November — the field was a gigantic mud pit. Footing was terrible, and the speed of the game was slower as a result. Also, the ball was not only water-logged but covered in mud as well — no matter how much they tried to switch out or clean the footballs.

The difficulties with field and ball conditions was why the vast majority of programs ran run-oriented, ball control offenses.

I remember being at the 1984 D2 Championship between El Camino and Oakdale at Abbott Field. It was a cold, windy, rainy evening. The game ended in regulation at 0-0. EC ended up winning 6-0 in the old CA style OT.

Neither team could sustain sustain drives or avoid costly fumbles.

I also try to remind the younger generation that prior to the early 2000’s, only the top 2 teams from each league qualified for the postseason. A third place team from certain leagues could also make it, but it was on a rotational basis.

In 1996, Grant Union, Nevada Union and Del Campo ended the regular season in a 3-way tie in the Capital Athletic League at 6-1. All three teams were 9-1 overall. But the CAL didn’t get a 3rd playoff spot that season due to rotation, so the 2 participants were determined via a 3-way coin flip.

Nevada Union lost the coin flip. Imagine being 9-1 with your only loss being by 1-point on a last second play and you don’t qualify for the postseason?! Crazy thing is, that 1996 Miners team might have been among their very best teams of that era. Better than some of their section title winners. But they were ousted in a manner that wouldn’t happen today or at any point over the past 20 years.

My junior season in 1987 my team went 7-3 and 4-2 in a D1 league. We didn’t qualify for the postseason.

Between the superior field conditions, facility, weight room, and equipment improvements, and changes to the overtime and postseason systems — these kids have absolutely no idea how fortunate they are to be playing in this current era.

Very Early Look at the CIF Bowl Divisions - 2024

You keep going on and on about this. The point isn't to advance the top 7 teams out of the NCS and top 6 out of the CCS. The point is to advance teams out of the different levels of play. Seriously, you don't want the entire Trinity League advancing to state regional games, so you don't get the same in the NCS.

The NCS private schools have been coddled for far too long (maybe not the teams, but certainly the fans).
How would you say the ncs privates have been coddled? And how would you divide teams into different levels of play?

Very Early Look at the CIF Bowl Divisions - 2024

CN has to beat SRV and the loser of the Pitt/DLS game to advance to norcal correct? That is just insane. The Newman vs MC game was better than 90% of the bowl games/teams will be and that was a 1st round section game. What a joke.

I also think if Pitt wins they go but Folsom is ranked higher in virtually every poll.
You keep going on and on about this. The point isn't to advance the top 7 teams out of the NCS and top 6 out of the CCS. The point is to advance teams out of the different levels of play. Seriously, you don't want the entire Trinity League advancing to state regional games, so you don't get the same in the NCS.

The NCS private schools have been coddled for far too long (maybe not the teams, but certainly the fans).
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