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I think most kids have been attracted to EC because they have been getting a lot of 2 and 3 star kids to college.Rincon every year have pipeline of college coaches coming to the campus which in the Richmond area is not very common with the exception of Salesian .With that being said sounds like there was some sneaky sneak stuff going on to get some of these kids over to play at EC.

In my opinion you punish the adults,the coach ,the principal etc and kick the ineligible players off the team.

We can debate how severe the punishment should be Although there are rumors out there, this is offically the first time that any irregularities were found against EC which was self reported by the principal ,again just my opinion but the idea is not to destroy a program but to teach them a lesson, to punish the offenders send a message to the program that no tolerance and if repeated a longer playoff ban if a second violation occurs or worse. I'm an alumni of EC so I might be biased.

The new principal came from Amador Valley and some believe he wants to bring head coach from Amador to EC (no inside info just a rumor)
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WCAL: A Final Glance

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ArmchairGOAT said:
Tell me how Riordan is in flux? Their JV starters were all freshman and were competitive in almost all of their games.
Serra graduates 40 seniors including its starting QB, RB, TEs, OLine, DBs and WR. SF also graduates many starters of its Oline/Dline, LB, QB and RB. SI graduates its starting QB, RB, many of its WRs, DLine, OLine and PK/P.
Riordan returns next year its starting QB, most of it OLine and DLine, DBs, 3 WRs and one of its RBs.
My far too early WCAL rankings for next year:
  1. Riordan
  2. SF
  3. VC
  4. Serra
  5. SHC
  6. SI
  7. AM
  8. BCP
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SI’s oline is returning except John Mills. Faupusa and Vandermade may play both ways next year.

The Dline isn’t going anywhere with SI Football Legend Igor Olshansky coaching this group.

The QB position will actually improve. Standby for a reputable transfer.

Junior players Hicks will be our go to WR and Malone will be our feature back. Malone actually has breakaway speed. I hear there will be WR transfers enrolling after the season.

Coach Vandermade’s era at St. Ignatius is going to keep wildcat football relevant long as he’s at the helm.
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WCAL: A Final Glance

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FBAddict said:
The deeper dive on who will be a part of the teams will come up next year preparing for preseason rankings. I say AR is in flux simply because we don't know how good the JV added to varsity will be. I know schools are not real accurate with the JV rosters, but MaxPreps has 6 freshman, 12 sophomores and 4 juniors listed for the JV team. That's not too many freshmen. Additionally we can be certain that AR didn't have enough freshman to field a Frosh team. According to MaxPreps, there 16 seniors, 20 juniors, 11 sophomores and 14 Freshman on the varsity team. That is a little heavy for freshman numbers on varsity, but not a crazy amount. The junior numbers are normal and sophomores are a little light. And that's about a normal number of senior players departing.

Here's the kicker, they won 5 varsity games and only ONE JV game. To compensate for no frosh team, I gave Riordan's (and SHC) varsity and JV more weight so that we could compare with other WCAL schools that did have frosh teams.

Maybe you can justify why you think AR will be number one next season. And while you are at it, you can justify why you have SI all the way down at #6. The composite totals presented by @colhenrylives does not seem to support your claim.
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I can understand your initial assessment...The rosters are now out of whack because of the playoffs...The JVs had 41 freshman on the team. 3 Freshman were on Varsity this year. Varsity had 14 sophomores who either started or saw significant playing time.
My justification is that Mike Mitchell will be in his 4th season as the starting QB. He shattered many WCAL season records as a soph and will now just be adding to those stats this year and next. Their Oline will have 10 varsity returnees incl 4 starters led by Tommy Tofi. 3 WRs return led by Cynai Thomas. One of their RBs return in soph Adonyae Brown. Their DEs are returning. 2 starting LBs return. And their DBs return . Point of reference: Don't get me wrong, Serra has a strong 2027 class. But the current Riordan sophs on varsity were starters as freshman on JVs last year that had only 2 losses and now are on Varsity. Riordan also lost 3 2027 kids to transfer this year including 2 who started as freshman on Varsity. Riordan had no transfers this year as well. Nice to see the kid brothers of Lawson, Tofi, Mitchell and Vaenuku following their older siblings.
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northbaybbguru said:
This is what led to CE. When in reality if they stop putting EVERY team that could walk and chew gum into the playoffs we wouldn't have needed it.
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A couple of easy fixes would be:
1. Not allow a team to move down a division.
2. For division 7, no schools can have an enrollment greater than 700, and 1100 for D6.
This would give the true small public schools an opportunity to compete. It would also keep teams like Montgomery, Bethel, and Petaluma from playing in D6. Arcata is the only true D6 team in that entire bracket.
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M.C. fan said:
I will be a homer and say if Folsom thinks Downey will be an easy win, be aware. I would add Downey is a smart team that has some cleverness to counter Folsom and Lyons. I see this game as 42-26. Turlock will a tough matchup for Central. Raiders are healthy and might make some noise. Inderkum could be another underdog to watch. Oak Ridge or Monterey
Trail goes to the wire. Folsom should win the D1 SJS, however things can change.
D2 I have Rocklin, Grant, St. Mary's and Manteca, all of these squads could win it out. Rodriguez of Fairfield let's see what you got. D3 I have Oakdale versus Merced in the Final.
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I agree on the Oakdale v Merced final.
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Suggestions for Modifying CCS Play-off rules

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Probably should wait for the play-offs to play out, but in advance of the sections December 4th meeting I think there are a few modifications the CCS should consider to their play-off point system. I do appreciate that the CCS has been willing to continuously look and review their processes to make them more equitable for all participants. But here are a few changes I would like to see.

1. The current CCS league classification system is antiquated. For scheduling points I would propose that teams get one point for all teams they play that have a positive CalPrep ranking at the end of the year. 0.5 points for playing a team with a ranking between 0 to -20 ranking and 0 points for playing teams with a ranking worse than -20 regardless of what league the opponent plays in. Teams already getting rewarded for playing top ranked teams (1 point extra for teams ranked between 101-150 this year between 21.3-29.7) and (1.5 points from top 100 ranked teams) this year about 29.7.

If they don't do this they have to do something else. Can't get the same points for playing a Mt. Hamilton team as a WCAL or Bay or Gabilan team. The PAL explicitly puts their 7-12 ranked teams in the DeAnza and 1-6 ranked teams in the Bay put teams get the same points for scheduling teams in either league.

2. Not a big fan of getting one point for playing a league champion. Pretty arbitrary. Don't get a league championship point for playing St. John Bosch #3 ranked team in the Country but you do get one for playing Gunderson ranked #11,730 in the country. If they are going to keep this then for non-CCS teams they should require the league have at least 6 teams (requirement of the CCS). Kings Academy got a championship point for playing Rio Honda Prep that plays in a three team league.

3. While I appreciate the spirit of last year's rule change to not put B teams in Division 1 and 2 and putting all C league teams in Division 5, I do think the spirit of this rule is predicated on leagues doing a reasonable job of placing teams correctly in their equity divisions and not gaming the system. While no judgement is perfect, especially in retrospect, I think the PAL and BVAL have put forward a pretty honest effort over the years.

In my opinion there is still a lot of politics and non-sensical placements in PCAL across their divisions leading to a lot of inequity. Exhibit A this year is Carmel who was pretty widely predicted to be the third best team ranked in the whole PCAL during pre-season. Putting them in a B league and keeping them out of D1 and D2 in my opinion is gaming the system. They have already beaten the 3 and 5 seeds in D2 (Christopher and Monterey) and would have been slotted as the 3 seed in D2. I think the CCS should be able to exempt a team from this rule at the beginning of the season if they feel the local league has not played fair in creating their equity leagues or if a team finishes in the top 15 of the Final CalPrep rankings for the section. Likewise a C Team that finishes in the top 40 ranked teams should be exempt from the rule. Exempt teams would just play where their points have them land.

Curious to hear changes others might suggest for next year.
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Streak One said:
For sure there will always be complaining. I just think if you limited who went on to NorCals/States (will never happen I know), then it turns into trying to play up instead of "hoping" you get sent down. That mindset which is certainly out there is part of the reason why CE gets the bad rap it has.
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But I'm not sure the NCS was ever really concerned about divisions before.

If divisions were so important, how do you explain D-6 Moreau Catholic being in the same league as D-1 James Logan, San Leandro, Berkeley, and Castro Valley? Oh, because it's a private school? Ok, well D-2 Ukiah is in the same league as D-4 Analy. D-5 Alhambra is in the same league as D-2 College Park.

Why is it NCS people only get worked up over the divisions and enrollments during the playoffs?

I get the idea about how some teams end up facing weaker playoff competition than other (the phrase I've used is "Sometimes you win by losing"), but to their credit, I don't think we've seen widespread evidence of teams tanking games in order to be placed in lower divisions.
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WCAL: A Final Glance

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ArmchairGOAT said:
Tell me how Riordan is in flux? Their JV starters were all freshman and were competitive in almost all of their games.
Serra graduates 40 seniors including its starting QB, RB, TEs, OLine, DBs and WR. SF also graduates many starters of its Oline/Dline, LB, QB and RB. SI graduates its starting QB, RB, many of its WRs, DLine, OLine and PK/P.
Riordan returns next year its starting QB, most of it OLine and DLine, DBs, 3 WRs and one of its RBs.
My far too early WCAL rankings for next year:
  1. Riordan
  2. SF
  3. VC
  4. Serra
  5. SHC
  6. SI
  7. AM
  8. BCP
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The deeper dive on who will be a part of the teams will come up next year preparing for preseason rankings. I say AR is in flux simply because we don't know how good the JV added to varsity will be. I know schools are not real accurate with the JV rosters, but MaxPreps has 6 freshman, 12 sophomores and 4 juniors listed for the JV team. That's not too many freshmen. Additionally we can be certain that AR didn't have enough freshman to field a Frosh team. According to MaxPreps, there 16 seniors, 20 juniors, 11 sophomores and 14 Freshman on the varsity team. That is a little heavy for freshman numbers on varsity, but not a crazy amount. The junior numbers are normal and sophomores are a little light. And that's about a normal number of senior players departing.

Here's the kicker, they won 5 varsity games and only ONE JV game. To compensate for no frosh team, I gave Riordan's (and SHC) varsity and JV more weight so that we could compare with other WCAL schools that did have frosh teams.

Maybe you can justify why you think AR will be number one next season. And while you are at it, you can justify why you have SI all the way down at #6. The composite totals presented by @colhenrylives does not seem to support your claim.
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NCS707 said:
BVAL is way way down and EBAL is slightly down as well. The SJS is just much deeper, with the population and family centric growth out there it makes sense.
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I don’t know how you can say the EBAL is down this year? Based on what? They are the top league in NorCal this year without question. Among the top 3, their only losses are when they played each other, and they’ve played a good representation of teams outside of league.

10-0 DLS is undefeated and beat 2 of the top rated teams in the CCS in Serra & SF, and also 2 of the top rated teams in the SJS in SMS & Grant.

9-1 SRV’s only loss is to DLS, and they’ve beaten 2 of the top rated teams in the CCS in SI & Soquel. They’ve also beaten the OAL champ Mack by 37, and CVC handily.

8-2 Cal’s only 2 losses are to DLS & SRV. They played SRV close in league, and have also beaten a good SJS team Monterey Trail by 14, SJS playoff team Patterson by 17, and normally strong James Logan by 32. Cal High RB Jhadis Luckey rushed for 7 TDs and 425 yds Friday vs Amador. He’s only a junior and leads the NCS in rushing yards.
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SJS Playoff Brackets

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I will be a homer and say if Folsom thinks Downey will be an easy win, be aware. I would add Downey is a smart team that has some cleverness to counter Folsom and Lyons. I see this game as 42-26. Turlock will a tough matchup for Central. Raiders are healthy and might make some noise. Inderkum could be another underdog to watch. Oak Ridge or Monterey
Trail goes to the wire. Folsom should win the D1 SJS, however things can change.
D2 I have Rocklin, Grant, St. Mary's and Manteca, all of these squads could win it out. Rodriguez of Fairfield let's see what you got. D3 I have Oakdale versus Merced in the Final.
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NCP Pick'em: Playoffs Week 1

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Here is the postseason playoff pick'em. Prizes will be for the weekly winner each week (no rollover scoring) will be a free month subscription to NorCalPreps.

Here are the games for this week. Picks are due by 7:00 PM on Friday. The Game of the Week is Turlock-Central Catholic. First tiebreaker is who goes the longest without missing a game (Player A's first loss came on the 6 point game and Player B's first loss is the 8 point game, Player A wins the tiebreaker). Tiebreaker #2 is the winning team's score in the game of the week. Tiebreaker #3 is the losing team's score in the Game of the Week.

Turlock at Central Catholic
Destiny Christian at Christian Brothers
East Union at Patterson
Windsor at Casa Grande
Cardinal Newman at Marin Catholic
Vintage at Liberty
Soquel at Riordan
Los Gatos at Serra
Menlo at Christopher
Shasta at Enterprise
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Cal 14 said:
It was the schools complaining about the restrictive old CIF system that lead to this current one.

Bottom line is that someone will always complain.
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For sure there will always be complaining. I just think if you limited who went on to NorCals/States (will never happen I know), then it turns into trying to play up instead of "hoping" you get sent down. That mindset which is certainly out there is part of the reason why CE gets the bad rap it has.
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There is way too many teams that don't belong in the playoffs in the playoffs. If they want to let this many teams in, set up a 64 team bracket and let all the teams that don't belong get their butts handed to them in the first round. I think this should be the case even more so in other sports compared to football. Football they really just need to limit the number of teams in the playoffs. They have made it so there really is one true champion anyways so lets just go all in and not encourage teams to try to lose just so they end up with an easier chance of making a playoff run
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Suggestions for Modifying CCS Play-off rules

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THEOC89 said:
Outstanding Job!!!…. Thank you for all you put into this!…,

The one thing I will never understand about these formulas, etc is how Common sense is throwen out the window….

How is SF not the #1 seed?…. They finished with the same record as SI and They Beat SI on the field head to head…. Does this not count for anything?…..

SI lost to SRV who got boat raced by DLS worse then the beating DLS put on SF, so how in the heck is SI the #1 seed?…..

Doesn’t make any sense…. 🤣🤷‍♂️
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There was a time where playing DLS added one point for seeding consideration. I don't know why they took that away.

Being a #1 or #2 seed in the CCS doesn't really make much difference in D-Open. With a win in the first round, you end up at the same spot. Championship games are at neutral sites. The only difference would be who you might consider to be a more dangerous opponent, Salinas or Valley Christian.

I did a check on the #1 seed in the SS on the national board. I found that hardly any top seed actually won their bracket and a lot of them didn't even advance past round 2.

If you're the top team, show it by winning the bracket.
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THEOC89 said:
Sure, this happens all the time….. My Point is this….

D1 should be the best of the best…. The #2 Seed in D1 is Ranked #7 in the SJS and The #3 seed in D1 is ranked #9 in the SJS….

Yet the #2 Ranked team in the SJS and #3 Ranked team in the SJS are both in D2…. This is just flat out stupid and is the SJS Gaming the system so Folsom doesn’t eliminate the #2 or #3 team in the SJS…..
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I have already pointed out flaws. St Mary's beats CC and CC is in D1 and St Mary's in D2?
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northbaybbguru said:
Lets be real....The move to 16 team brackets (for $$$) in divisions with only 24 teams back in the day led to the 1st round blowouts. U put teams in the playoffs that don't deserve it and then seed them against the powers in the division of course u are going to get blowouts. When the divisions were only 8 they were much more competitive.
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For the last couple of years, the reporters for the East Bay Times have been doing video previews of each week. When it came to the playoffs, they routinely discussed how competitive the CCS playoffs were and how the NCS playoffs were not, particularly in the top divisions.

Any claim that the NCS system worked before is just gaslighting.
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Rocknrolus 95361 said:
Well a couple years back Oakdale beat Manteca 28 to 0. Then in playoff game lost to Manteca 35 to 28.
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Sure, this happens all the time….. My Point is this….

D1 should be the best of the best…. The #2 Seed in D1 is Ranked #7 in the SJS and The #3 seed in D1 is ranked #9 in the SJS….

Yet the #2 Ranked team in the SJS and #3 Ranked team in the SJS are both in D2…. This is just flat out stupid and is the SJS Gaming the system so Folsom doesn’t eliminate the #2 or #3 team in the SJS…..
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actually, the one thing they did do to game the seeding (for the better, which most people will agree):

they got rid of the North v south brackets. As recent as 2008 or 9, I believe.. they still separated sacramento from san joaquin, and the winner of sac would play the winner of san joaquin. they realized all of the better teams were in Sac, and eliminating each other... so before the expansion of the state games, they changed the playoff format to seed 1-16 throughout the section (by enrollment divisions)

at the time, the state games were decided by committee as it grew from 3 to 5, and only section winners were eligible.

I think exactly zero people are framing this as the section trying to get more teams in... It was the right thing to do...AND it got more teams in.
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PALbooster said:
CCS play-off projections after Saturday’s results

There are a few scores that are still not in the CalPreps system but I don’t think they will influence the seeding at this point. If they do I will come back and edit this post.

One assumption I made about the 40 teams that make up the play-off field is that the PAL will put Half Moon Bay in as a third automatic qualifier from the Ocean Division and limit the El Camino Division to one automatic berth which will keep Woodside out of the play-offs. If this is the case, Sacred Heart Prep will get the final at-large berth. If the PAL decides to have two automatic qualifiers from each of their two B Leagues then Woodside would go in. Half Moon Bay would still qualify as they would get the last at-large berth and Sacred Heart Prep would not make the field.

Open/D1

Riordan's win over St. Francis changed the top six seeds. One assumption I made that influences the seedings greatly is that St. Francis and Serra will not get a championship point for playing De La Salle as De La Salle is not eligible for the EBAL Mountain League championship. I also assumed that St. Ignatius and Soquel will receive a championship point for playing San Ramon Valley (even though De la Salle beat SRV) who is recognized as the league champion of the EBAL Mountain League. Obviously if this is managed differently in the section seeding meeting the seedings would change for the top four seeds as St. Francis and Serra would gain a point and St. Ignatius and Soquel would lose a point.

8. Salinas 8-2 66 (8) at 1. St. Ignatius 8-2 77.75 (2)

7. Valley Christian 5-5 68 (7) at 2. St. Francis 8-2 77.25 (1)

Winners of Round 1 play for open championship – loser of open championship plays winner of round two game below for D1 championship.

6. Soquel 8-2 71 (5) at 3. Riordan 6-4 72 (6)

5. Los Gatos 8-2 71.5 (4) at 4. Serra 5-5 72 (3)

D2

8. Santa Teresa 9-1 49.5* (2 in D3) at 1. Wilcox 8-2 65 (1)

5. Monterey 6-4 53 (5) at 4. Menlo-Atherton 6-4 55.5 (3)

6. Menlo School 7-3 52.5 (6) at 3. Christopher 9-1 57 (3)

7. Palma 5-5 50.5 (8) at 2. Sacred Heart Cathedral 4-6 59 (2)

* Elevated to D2 as no B league team can play in D1 or D2

D3

San Mateo’s rout over favored Burlingame pushed San Mateo up from D4 to D3 and moved Burlingame down to D4.

8. San Mateo 8-2 40 (6 in D4) at 1. Carmel 10-0 58* (1)

5. Capuchino 9-1 43.75 (7 in D2) at 4. Hollister 4-6 47 (6)

6. Half Moon Bay 8-2 43.5 (4) at 3. Palo Alto 5-5 47.5 (5)

7. Aptos 5-5 42 (1 in D4) at 2. Willow Glen 10-0 49.5 (3)

Dropped to D3 as no B league team can play in DI or D2

D4

I assumed Kings Academy gets a point for Rio Honda Prep being a league champion in a three team league (something that CCS may want to address in the off-season). Even if KA losses this point it won't impact their seeding.

8. Live Oak 3-7 27** (8) at 1. Piedmont Hills 8-2 39.5 (8 in D3)

5. North Salinas 7-3 35 (4) at 4. Burlingame 6-4 35.5 (7 in D3)

6. Kings Academy 5-5 32.75 (NR) at 3. Sacred Heart Prep 4-6 38 (2)

7. North Monterey County 7-3 31.5 (1 in D5) at 2. Branham 7-3 39 (3)

**Elevated to D4 as no A league team can be in D5 and all C league teams must be in D5.

D5

8. Gunderson 7-3 19 (8) at 1. South San Francisco 8-2 28 (7 in D4)

5. Gunn 10-0 23.5 (4) at 4. Sequoia 5-5 24.5 (2)

6. Stevenson 7-2 21.7 (6) at 3. Leland 6-3 26.5 (3)

7. Overfelt 5-5 20.5 (7) at 2. Alisal 5-5 26.5 (5)
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Outstanding Job!!!…. Thank you for all you put into this!…,

The one thing I will never understand about these formulas, etc is how Common sense is throwen out the window….

How is SF not the #1 seed?…. They finished with the same record as SI and They Beat SI on the field head to head…. Does this not count for anything?…..

SI lost to SRV who got boat raced by DLS worse then the beating DLS put on SF, so how in the heck is SI the #1 seed?…..

Doesn’t make any sense…. 🤣🤷‍♂️
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THEOC89 said:
This!!!….. it’s pretty Clear to see..,.

Why else would Rocklin who had a 2 TD win over Turlock and Beat D1 #5 seed Granite Bay in D2?…,.

Also, why is ST Mary’s who Beat D1 Modesto CC and Barely lost to Nor Cal #1 DLS in D2?:….

The SJS just wants to provide Cannon Fodder for Folsom in D1 and have the better teams in D2 so they can move “The Second Best” team in the SJS to a RBG….

But this is the game now…. All the sections are doing it in some form or fashion….
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Well a couple years back Oakdale beat Manteca 28 to 0. Then in playoff game lost to Manteca 35 to 28.
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