WCAL: A Final Glance
- By rwccaptain42
- Football
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The Jesuits over at S.I would like to thank the R for beating Serra thus allowing them to share WCAL title. Great week for "Patriots", tough week for Padres!!!
The section tried 4 teams years ago. The persistent complaint that it wasn't fair because no one could get past DLS. As a concession, the section came up with the current D-1/Open format, which would only work with 8 teams.What makes the most sense in the NCS is the BEST play Open(that does not have to be 8 teams).
This is entirely untrue. In order for a team to advance after a loss, they would have to make it to the Open championship game.But all those teams have a chance to move on even after a loss within their respected division.
To be fair.. 4.0 really depends on the academic rigor of the school itself. a 4.0 at DeAnza community college is not the same as a 4.0 at Stanford. So the real test will be how he fairs at the collegiate level academically with the Riordan education system. I dont know enough about either school but just basing it on GPA is ludicrous..Admission standards appear a bit draconian and elitist. There's so many boys coming out of grammar school that had Bs and Cs and actually performed very well academically as they matured in high school. Riordan's program has 80% of its players on the honor roll - many for the first time. John Tofi is a Cal commit with a 4.0 gpa. And jr Mike Mitchell carries a 4.0 gpa and recently committed to Vanderbilt.
I don't disagree that the more closed a system is, the more difficult it is for the Calpreps system to accurately gauge the strength of the teams. I believe there is an adjustment for the Northern Section, but I don't think there would be one for the northern portion of the North Coast Section. That said...The problem is not with the seedings, it's with the NCS in general. There is a clear disparity up and down the section(as it runs from East Bay through North Bay up to Del Norte). The ability to categorize a true strength of schedule with the current number system is off. The farther Northern schools, somehow, are credited with higher schedule strength AND only play each other.
Alisal is the #2 seed of the CCS D-V playoffs. The school's enrollment is 2900. I can assure you that no one is transferring to Alisal for some sort of athletic competitive edge over small schools. Even if athletes started doing so, the team would start to do better and they'd no longer be in D-V. They were in D-III last year.In reality, the new adopted system does not nor will it be the same as it is with the CCS. Competitive Equity with a D2 size school playing down to a D4 enrollment base makes no sense. We will start seeing more transfers.
Not true. Bishop O'Dowd is a base D-4 team who is competing in the D-2 playoffs.Outside of Marin Catholic, Cardinal Newman and San Marin, I think St. Vincent de Paul was the only other school to get BUMPED UP divisions. All others went down divisions.
As with the same argument I've used elsewhere: everyone knew the rules before the season started. It was literally written into the NCS bylaws what the application of the Calpreps ratings was going to be.I’m all for using rankings as a guide, but there needs to be some common sense applied. Amador Valley is a way better fit in the top bracket than San Marin. Nobody would have batted an eye if they were reversed.
agree...One tweak to your idea could be to maybe create "enrollment" categories then create the division within those. Lump D1-D3 schools in a larger schools category and smaller schools in another.
There still has to be some weight given to school size. At the end of the regular season, Monterey Trail was ranked outside the top 16. In the 17-32 spots are teams that are down in D6. They certainly are very good teams, but it just seems inherently unfair to force them to play so far above their classification when they haven't gotten there through the continued success rule.
However, I don't think the Section wants to do any of this. I have long held the belief that they want the top 8-10 schools spread out through the divisions so that the SJS fairs better in the regional games. I also think the other sections see this as well, which is why the decision was made to pair Grant and Rocklin last year. There is no way Grant should have been in D3 and everyone knew it. The results of the game proved it.
The problem is not with the seedings, it's with the NCS in general. There is a clear disparity up and down the section(as it runs from East Bay through North Bay up to Del Norte). The ability to categorize a true strength of schedule with the current number system is off. The farther Northern schools, somehow, are credited with higher schedule strength AND only play each other. In this system smaller schools in D7 are going to get the short end of the stick. It is easy to say, just play them, beat them and then problem solved. However, schools are working with budgets and many do not see the cost benefit in sending their teams(ANY SPORTS) on 3 to 4 hour trips. In reality, the new adopted system does not nor will it be the same as it is with the CCS. Competitive Equity with a D2 size school playing down to a D4 enrollment base makes no sense. We will start seeing more transfers. The kids that will get hurt will be truly the small school kids. Outside of Marin Catholic, Cardinal Newman and San Marin, I think St. Vincent de Paul was the only other school to get BUMPED UP divisions. All others went down divisions. What makes the most sense in the NCS is the BEST play Open(that does not have to be 8 teams). But all those teams have a chance to move on even after a loss within their respected division. Then all other schools are placed in their appropriate enrollment division. At some point common sense should be taken into consideration.... which was mostly what was in the NCS bylaws.
The only people who cry more about the seedings than NCS people are SS people.
I’m all for using rankings as a guide, but there needs to be some common sense applied. Amador Valley is a way better fit in the top bracket than San Marin. Nobody would have batted an eye if they were reversed.... which was mostly what was in the NCS bylaws.
The only people who cry more about the seedings than NCS people are SS people.
I have seen both play. I am aware. Just pointing out to Carl the measure of the tape!No one in the section is going to come close to beating Folsom. Turlock shut down Downey 33-14, their only loss. Turlock lost to Folsom 56-14.
No one in the section is going to come close to beating Folsom. Turlock shut down Downey 33-14, their only loss. Turlock lost to Folsom 56-14.Looking at the match up with Folson would look close. Almost same total yards and points. And Lamb is throwing for more yards. Plaa has his passing game down. If you had a defense! Got to score 44 because you gave up 41. Fun to watch too!
Looking at the match up with Folson would look close. Almost same total yards and points. And Lamb is throwing for more yards. Plaa has his passing game down. If you had a defense! Got to score 44 because you gave up 41. Fun to watch too!
Looking at the match up with Folson would look close. Almost same total yards and points. And Lamb is throwing for more yards. Plaa has his passing game down. If you had a defense! Got to score 44 because you gave up 41. Fun to watch too!
... which was mostly what was in the NCS bylaws.Edit - Looking at MaxPreps rankings, it appears the NCS committee took the lazy way out, and seeded the Open/D1 bracket exactly according to MP rankings, with the exception of El Cerrito who was excluded from the playoffs.
Terrible. Absolute Joke. Should have been 4 teams.
Adds to the argument to get rid of the sections.The unfortunate reality is there is not a perfect system. I, personally, think the NCS has been screwing up EVERY sport for years. They have never put thought into their selection committees and it is, unfortunately, a "good ol boy" organization. They pretend to hide behind what they say is black and white but ultimately it has been a narcissistically run organization for decades. Three North Bay schools being in the Open is comical, especially if you are going to position Vintage High School as the #8 seed in Division 2. Vintage handily beat San Marin 1 week ago. Vintage lost to a Las Lomas team this year who was beaten by Northgate, Clayton Valley Charter and Campolindo. How in the WORLD is San Marin #8. This is what most people in our area call EAST BAY BIAS. We all can almost hear, "do whatever you can to keep us away from De La Salle." The NCS administrative team should be embarrassed but they do not care because they are focusing on NFHS and Gate monies for themselves....... UNFORTUNATE
Looking at the match up with Folson would look close. Almost same total yards and points. And Lamb is throwing for more yards. Plaa has his passing game down. If you had a defense! Got to score 44 because you gave up 41. Fun to watch too!It’s probably a crazy idea, but what if the SJS only used CalPreps ratings for their playoff structure? It would look something like this:
D1: Top 16 teams. No bye weeks. Week one of Playoffs: #16 at #1, #15 at #2, etc
D2: Next best 16 teams: #17 through #33.
D3: Next best 16 teams: #34 through #50.
D4: Next best 16 teams: #51 through #67.
D5: Next best 16 teams: #68 through #84.
D6: Next best 16 teams: #85 through 101.
Or: Same as above, except add an Open Division with Cal Prep's teams #1 through #4, and move Division 1 to teams #4 through #20, Division 2 to teams #21 through #37, and so on…
If two teams have the same CalPreps ratings, a coin flip would determine the higher seed, with the coin flip winner deciding if they prefer the higher seed or lower seed. If the same rating occured between #16 and #17, the coin flip winner would have the option of being the lowest seed in D1 or highest seed in D2. This would be a playoff system based only on competitive equity as determined by Cal Preps.
The other thing that would be interesting would be to put all 10 weeks’ scores for every high school in California or the USA for that matter that plays 11-man football and ask an AI engine like Chat GPT-4 to determine a ranking system. I’m sure it could be designed to even include player stats and if certain players were injured, etc.
Hopefully, it's a good one!MT vs OR this week. Pretty tough game for OR. MT line looks really good (offensive) but giving up 34 to Lincoln is a little concerning.
Not sure there is a team playing better than OR right now given where they were 5 weeks ago. Could be wet Friday night so the team that can take care of the ball is likley the winner.
That stinks. If Newman can't win with those guys out, they may never beat MC.MC may be without starting JR QB Caedon Afsharipour vs Newman which will definitely have a significant impact. They're probably also still missing WR Braiden Bachich-Dixon too.