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Rocklin @ Folsom

I would disagree. But the good news is we will find out a lot tonight. Rocklin will need a passing game to have a chance to win. Can’t just run on 1st/2nd and pass on 3rd. Hoping for a good game.
I could see 21-7 type game at Half and then Folsom opens up in the 3rd and pulls away.
Rocklin has been a thorn in Folsom side a little however and always comes to play. The speed factor on the outside will be tough for Rocklin to contend with and of course containing Lyons is brutal.

PCAL Week 4

PCAL week 4

Last week 13-3 Overall 50-14



This is crossover week, so the PCAL plays only PCAL teams in different divisions. Picks will follow the division recaps.

Gabilan-Not a lot of surprises this past week. Aptos, Hollister, and Alvarez all beat weaker teams. (Oak Grove has really dropped as football power). Soquel, after paying to powerhouses, got their first win over a mid- level Valley Christian team. Palma went to Yuma and got beaten by their new Arizona rival. And Salinas lost the “Rodeo Bowl” to a very good Clovis team. Monterey had a bye week to lick its wounds after being beaten badly by Menlo-Atherton the week prior. This week every Gabilan team will be heavy favorites in their cross over game, for the exception of Monterey, who according to Cal Preps will be underdogs to a very good Carmel team.

Games:

Fri 09/20 Alisal (Salinas, CA) at Hollister (CA), 7:30pm -Alisal has struggled to score points in their new open up offense. It may not get easier vs a defense that just posted a shutout. Hollister 28-10

Fri 09/20 Alvarez (Salinas, CA) at Monte Vista Christian (Watsonville, CA), 7:30pm
- The opening season loss to NMC does not look as bad anymore for Alvarez. Meanwhile MVC is having trouble stopping people. They just try to out score you. Alvarez 35-30

Fri 09/20 North Salinas (Salinas, CA) at Salinas (CA), 7:30pm-
Salinas will try to rebound with their cross town rival. North Salinas is good, and may keep this close, but Salinas has just too much depth. Salinas 32-14

Sat 09/21 Palma (Salinas, CA) vs North Monterey County (Castroville, CA) at Salinas Sports Complex (Salinas, CA), 7:30pm
-Can’t get upset for Palma scheduling this game. Palma had to play a cross over game and besides Carmel, there is nobody in the B divisions that can hang with the top Gabilan teams this year. NMC has been a pleasant surprise, but not enough to beat Palma. Palma 27-7

Sat 09/21 Soquel (CA) at Scotts Valley (CA), 2:00pm
-At the beginning of the season, I thought this may be a potential trap game for Soquel. Not anymore, Scott Valley just does not have the depth this year. Soquel 45-10

Sat 09/21 Monterey (CA) at Carmel (CA), 2:00pm
-This could be a great game. Carmel has 2 good wins vs Christopher and Miramonte. Monterey has only played twice and looked like they gave up vs Menlo Atherton. Carmel is going to come out and try to get Monterey to quit. Monterey must stay focused and disciplined if they want to win. Monterey has the athletes to stay with Carmel and make big plays, Carmel’s kryptonite. I just don’t know if Monterey will stay disciplined if things start to go south. Carmel 45-34
Gabilan games:

Aptos already clobbered Seaside, as expected. Low numbers really crippling the Spartan program.

Both you and Calpreps have Hollister beating Alisal comfortably, but I'm not so sure. The win against Oak Grove doesn't phase me much. I do think the Haybalers win, but perhaps only by 10 or so... 24-14.

Alvarez is not an offensive juggernaut, but they still should be able to put up points on MVC. Calpreps has this at 34-22, Eagles... yeah, sounds about right. 35-20.

The last time North Salinas has been able to play a competitive game against Salinas, Steve Goodbody was the Cowboy coach... as in, 2016 (27-14). The Vikings haven't been able to stay within 10 points since 2009 (24-22). North High hasn't actually won a game in the series since 2008, when some guy named Steve Zenk was their head coach. The last few meetings were so one-sided that the schools just stopped playing each other. The reasons for that haven't changed. If the Vikes could only stay within 18 of Sobrato, I don't like their chances against Salinas... 44-3.

I remember going to the Pit a long time ago to watch Palma and North County tie for the CCS D-II South championship. The Condors were pretty good back in the day. This is not that day, despite beating a couple of even weaker teams to start the year. Palma 34-10.

Soquel has been quite impressive to start the year, whereas Scotts Valley has not duplicated their success from last year. My feeling is that this will be a 'pick your number' game for the Knights. 56-7.

Carmel has certainly demonstrated they have a Gabilan-level offense. Their defense, however, is solidly Mission. Monterey is a tough team to pin down at the moment. Menlo-Atherton may end up being better than what we expected, so I'm willing to believe that the Dores' loss to them was a learning experience. I suspect this game will be very high scoring on both sides, but with a chance that Monterey could wear down the Padres at the end to take it. 42-38.
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In the 2022 and 2023 seasons, Salinas split 2 games with each Clayton Valley and Clovis. They had a game scheduled against San Ramon Valley, but it was cancelled due to COVID19. They've now beaten Valley Christian 2 out of the last 3 years.

What's the Tri-City record (sans St. Mary's) against WCAL teams? EBAL teams? In fact how many teams from this league beat any non-league opponents with ratings above 15 in 2022-2024?

Since you don't seem to do research very well, I'll answer it for you...

2 wins over >15.0 teams, with one ending up being a forfeit loss. In 3 seasons.

But, please go on about how strong that league is overall.
i said the west catholic leagues real teams. valley christian is not in that category.

if you want to go with salinas as your example how about instead of talking about meaningless preseason games talk about the playoffs. here you go this is what it looks like:

47-7 cannon fodder
57-21 cannon fodder
35-31 cannon fodder
did not make playoffs
26-20 cannon fodder lost to OAK GROVE lol
45-27 cannon fodder (only made second round because they got to play a team from monterey in first round)

meanwhile if you want to compare against saint marys (your choice not mine):
17-6 lost in section championship in close game
51-50 lost in first round. literally BEAT DE LA SALLE this year.
51-48 lost in semifinals of a 12 team bracket
did not make playoffs but came within one score of ending dls norcal streak
28-21 loss
52-7 second round loss. cannon fodder

notice all of saint marys losses except one are in extremely close games, in LATER rounds of the playoffs or championship games. and they beat teams from outside their area code to get there.

also. salinas has to play serra, they duck to a lower division or get beat by 50 every time they can't. saint marys chooses to play de la salle and BEATS them or plays them close.

there is no comparison. again you picked these teams as representatives of there leagues not me. happy to break it down for you using different teams if you wish also to show why your league isn't on the list yet.

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if what you said was true how come nobody in that league ever beats anyone north or south of monte ray county? and why do they try and cry there way into lower divisions for ccs playoffs instead of manning up and facing the peninsula league upper, the de anza, and the west catholic leagues real teams? they would rather have hollister face Carmel, act like the game has meaning, and “win” the divisions that aren’t even allowed to continue on to regional play.

they might exploit the calpreps algorithm by never playing out of there region but everyone knows the truth. put any of those teams against and see what happens.

this might be uncomfortable to hear but until the teams in monte ray county get serious about being competitive on a regional level there league will never be highly regarded.

again this the exact same reason nobody takes the highway 4 bay valley league in ncs seriously. they cried to keep out Clayton valley and invented the loser plays on in playoffs rule (literally invented by crybaby superintendent in brent wood) because they didn’t want to try and even fake being competitive.

beat someone outside your region of note and then the gabilan can get honorable mention. until then they remain mediocre
In the 2022 and 2023 seasons, Salinas split 2 games with each Clayton Valley and Clovis. They had a game scheduled against San Ramon Valley in 2020, but it was cancelled due to COVID19. They've now beaten Valley Christian 2 out of the last 3 years.

In 2021-2022, Aptos split a series against Campolindo. In 2021, the Mariners won 49-0 on the Cougars home field. They were also tied with St. Francis after 3 quarters in the CCS D-I playoffs.

What's the Tri-City record (sans St. Mary's) against WCAL teams? EBAL teams? In fact how many teams from this league beat any non-league opponents with ratings above 15 in 2022-2024?

Since you don't seem to do research very well, I'll answer it for you...

2 wins over >15.0 teams, with one ending up being a forfeit loss. In 3 seasons.

The Gab had 6 such wins just last season alone.

But, please go on about how strong the Tri-City is overall.
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Both Mercy-Burlingame and Notre Dame-Belmont are half-full. Closing one of them does not appear to be in the cards at this time.
seems like it would be a much more gooder use of resources and much more efficienter to consolidate the two campuses? or does it still make sense to keep both open at half capacity? imagine if the dioceses could take all the money they spend on one of the campuses maintenance and throw it towards teachers, financial aid for students in need, and improving the campus that stays open. the impact could be incredible.

Rocklin @ Folsom

Rocklin's QB has D1 offers and was one of the best soph prospects in Norcal last year. How can he not throw? What am I missing here? Oak Ridge has no passing game. NO argument here on that front but anybody saying Rocklin can't throw is dead wrong. Regardless I don't see the Thunder winning but it won't be becuase of their QB.
it doesn’t matter if he can throw or not if the receivers cannot get open and cannot catch

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Can't immediately tell whether you're trying to be a troll or an idiot... but, I'll bite.

It is true that the bottom two teams in the Gabilan have negative Calpreps ratings. You know who else has multiple teams like this? Tri-City... with three.

Gabilan has "aggressively mediocre" teams? Exactly what how would you describe pretty much the entire the DFAL-Foothill? You gave your example of how the Tri-River matches up so well against NorCal leagues... well:

Soquel (26.9) - Las Lomas (17.3)
Salinas (17.8) - Clayton Valley (11)
Palma (9.1) - Acalanes (9.9)
Monterey (5.9) - Campolindo (1.1)
Aptos (2) - Miramonte (-5.2)

Looks like the Gabilan matches up just fine.

Also noting that two Gab teams won state divisions last year and in the preseason, multiple posters (whom I respect a great deal more than yourself) listed this league as the #4 in NorCal. The preseason ratings were not kind (and traditionally aren't) to this league, but at the end of the year (when the preseason is mostly washed out), there are typically 2-3 teams rated in the 30s and 20s. Most of the rest end up in the single-digits or teens... exactly where most of the Tri-City and DFAL-F teams are.
if what you said was true how come nobody in that league ever beats anyone north or south of monte ray county? and why do they try and cry there way into lower divisions for ccs playoffs instead of manning up and facing the peninsula league upper, the de anza, and the west catholic leagues real teams? they would rather have hollister face Carmel, act like the game has meaning, and “win” the divisions that aren’t even allowed to continue on to regional play.

they might exploit the calpreps algorithm by never playing out of there region but everyone knows the truth. put any of those teams against and see what happens.

this might be uncomfortable to hear but until the teams in monte ray county get serious about being competitive on a regional level there league will never be highly regarded.

again this the exact same reason nobody takes the highway 4 bay valley league in ncs seriously. they cried to keep out Clayton valley and invented the loser plays on in playoffs rule (literally invented by crybaby superintendent in brent wood) because they didn’t want to try and even fake being competitive.

beat someone outside your region of note and then the gabilan can get honorable mention. until then they remain mediocre

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with all do respect, the gabilan has no place in this discussion. they have multiple severely negative teams on cal preps. several other aggressively mediocre ones. and then a couple teams on top that are good but are nothing but absolute cannon fodder in the first round of the playoffs.

until they can find a way to convince ccs to let los gatos in the league they are second tier in a good year and c tier most other years.
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Can't immediately tell whether you're trying to be a troll or an idiot... but, I'll bite.

It is true that the bottom two teams in the Gabilan have negative Calpreps ratings. You know who else has multiple teams like this? Tri-City... with three.

Gabilan has "aggressively mediocre" teams? Exactly what how would you describe pretty much the entire the DFAL-Foothill? You gave your example of how the Tri-River matches up so well against NorCal leagues... well:

Soquel (26.9) - Las Lomas (17.3)
Salinas (17.8) - Clayton Valley (11)
Palma (9.1) - Acalanes (9.9)
Monterey (5.9) - Campolindo (1.1)
Aptos (2) - Miramonte (-5.2)

Looks like the Gabilan matches up just fine.

Also noting that two Gab teams won state divisions last year and in the preseason, multiple posters (whom I respect a great deal more than yourself) listed this league as the #4 in NorCal. The preseason ratings were not kind (and traditionally aren't) to this league, but at the end of the year (when the preseason is mostly washed out), there are typically 2-3 teams rated in the 30s and 20s. Most of the rest end up in the single-digits or teens... exactly where most of the Tri-City and DFAL-F teams are.

Semetri Carr Commits to Cal

Random ? But I'm sure somebody knows. That name sounds familiar in marin county hoops. (Vasquez). Have they had a long lineage of studs?
Two Vasquez brothers played for UC Davis in the early 90's - I think the brothers were from the Peninsula (Aragon HS?). Anyway, these two kids at Redwood HS are the sons of one of those brothers, can't remember which one.
The long lineage of studs you're likely thinking of would be the Chavez family from Drake / Archie Williams.

NCP Pick'em Week 5 Games

8-San Marin at Casa Grande
Liberty at AV-4
BOD at Cardinal Newman-9
5-SRV at Mack 28-20 (Game of the Week)
Edison-Stockton at Downey-7
10-CC at Patterson
3-Bear River at Wheatland
1-Rocklin at Folsom
6-Gunn at Monta Vista
2-Hillsdale at Santa Teresa

Freebees:

Vanden vs. Rodriguez- Battle of Fairfield, the Mustangs have 4 wins and face the Vikings. Rodriguez looking at three tough games up next. Vanden, Vacaville and Sac. They lost last year to Vacaville and Vanden by only a combined 10 points. They did win vs. Sac last season. Mustangs trying to be top dog in the Monticello Empire and tonight will they stampede the ship?


Lincoln of Stockton vs. Manteca- Buffaloes looking to rebound from tough MC loss at home. Trojans playing good with win last week vs. Pleasant Grove of Elk Grove. Lincoln trying to stay in the mix of the Tri-city as league approaches with a bye next week. Manteca has CC to start Valley Oak league at home next week.



Team to watch in SJS D4
Sonora Wildcats:
The Wildcats are on the road this week at Escalon. Escalon coming off a bye week after losing at home to (9/6) Oakdale 21-20. This will be a rematch of 2022 D5 championship game where the Wildcats lost 35-34. They haven't played since and now are both in the (TVL) same league. Sonora looking to make a statement on the road in Milkville.

Rocklin @ Folsom

Not sure about this game. I have a feeling Folsom runs away with it in the second half. They have one common opponent (Turlock) and Rocklin battled for a W while Folsom destroyed them. It was the first game of year for Turlock and things change so take it with a grain of salt.

Your grain of salt comment is the right way to look at it IMO.

The common opponent method of predicting games is counterfeited just as often as it appears to be correct. Not only can the performances of teams vary from week-to-week, they can often be drastically different over the course of several weeks or at the end of the season.

Furthermore, in the case of Rocklin and Folsom versus Turlock, the Thunder had to travel 2 hours+ by bus to play a team with a month or more to prep for the game (as is the case for all week 0 games) whereas Turlock had to make the 2 hour+ trek to face a Bulldogs team that had 14 days to prepare for them (Turlock played the previous week).

Point is, the circumstances leading up to both games were drastically different.

Moving on from that important distinction, here's a relevant and current example demonstrating why common opponents are often deceiving:

Bishop Manogue-Reno beat St. Mary's-Stockton 21-14 on 08/24 then 3 weeks later traveled to Modesto and lost to Central Catholic 41-28.

So what would the common opponent method have you believing the outcome of a Central Catholic-Modesto versus St. Mary's-Stockton match up to be?

Well, the Rams beat the Raiders, on the road, by 2-scores, 27-14. Common opponent method counterfeited yet again.

Looking at De La Salle's schedule, they beat Grant Union by 28 then beat Serra-San Mateo by 29 the very next week.

Would the majority here expect the Pacers to play an even game against Serra-SM right now, let alone have a realistic of beating the Padres? The common opponent method says 'YES'. But I believe the majority here would expect Serra to beat GHS by a few scores.

Circling back to tomorrow's Rocklin at Folsom game, the Bulldogs seem to possess more talent and depth thus are easily the favorite. But match ups differ from opponent-to-opponent and more importantly these are league opponents that play every year and scout each other much more intensely and in-depth. Rocklin had an extra week to focus solely on the Bulldogs, and due to their scehdule, might also have had the luxury of holding some things back in anticipation of this game.

I'm not saying that's what Coach Adams and his staff have done, just that it's not unprecedented.

All the above could mean nothing or it could mean everything. Who knows.

Rocklin @ Folsom

We will see Friday. I will disagree that Rocklin doesn’t have a pass game. I think their QB and WR core can sling it. Maybe I’m wrong we will find out tomorrow. Also I believe SJS sit out period for transfers ends 9/28 meaning all SOP will have to sit out another game after this one.


You’re not wrong.

Anybody making the claim that Rocklin doesn’t have a pass game is talking out their @$$ in an attempt to stir the pot and/or just doesn’t have the first damned clue what they’re talking about hence can’t be taken seriously.

I didn’t see the comment in question, as that instigator's “contributions” are hidden from my view, but I can confidently say that both the above apply in his case.

FWIW, Rocklin has had one of the top QB’s in the section the past 2 seasons (this season included) and nothing has changed in that regard. They don’t have the bevy of receiving talent they had the past couple years, especially at the TE position, but Mavrik Collins is still there along with some other promising talent.

We’ll see what they’ll be able to do against Folsom on Friday night, but even if they don’t manage to play well it won’t be because they aren’t adept at slinging it.
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