NCS707 said:

For you this (San Marin Vs De La Salle) would be like Sonora or Escalon vs Folsom in D1 SJS.

We have Marin Catholic and Cardinal Newman which are just a bit larger than Central Catholic. I’d agree they are better in D2 but because they are private and have a large catchment area it’s understandable they are in D1 this year.

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CN use to play CC and they were great games. I wish those 2 would square off in a RBG. Last year CC was pretty dang good and gave OR who nearly beat Folsom a good game.

This year I think the winner of Newman vs MC will play SRV very tough and could very well beat them. Won't be easy on the road but My guess is there isn't that big of a gap between those schools from what I've seen. If you get to the champ and lose do you go home?

I am a strong believer in the "You play who they put in front of you" philosophy, but this is ridiculous at many levels if not all. So many mismatches, and wtf is that Open/D1 bracket? Do first-round Open losers, (er, runners-up) drop into D1 somewhere?

During my 18 years in Oregon, I saw Portland Jesuit quite a few times. They are contenders for the state 6A title almost every year.

Yeah, don't discount the Aussies. Oi, Oi, Oi!!

NCS707 said:

For you this (San Marin Vs De La Salle) would be like Sonora or Escalon vs Folsom in D1 SJS.

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So you think Sonora or Escalon is the 8th best in the SJS section? Last I checked they were around #30 or so. Not a good comparison.

Rocknrolus 95361 said:

Central Catholic has less than 400 students. And they are playing in D1. This in my opinion is the flaw. They are in a GOOD year a D2 team. The VOL is a strange league anyway. Teams in D1, D2. D3 and D4. And have seeded teams in all 4. But it's the grind of playing in that league gets you ready for playoffs.

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For you this (San Marin Vs De La Salle) would be like Sonora or Escalon vs Folsom in D1 SJS.

We have Marin Catholic and Cardinal Newman which are just a bit larger than Central Catholic. I’d agree they are better in D2 but because they are private and have a large catchment area it’s understandable they are in D1 this year.

JHS Basketball said:

The 50th Fr. Barry Classic at Jesuit High School will be December 12-14, 2024.

It should be another great tournament with the following teams participating:

Jesuit - Sacramento, CA
Archbishop Mitty - San Jose, CA
Brophy Prep - Phoenix, AZ
Cathedral Catholic - San Diego, CA
Jesuit - Portland, OR
St. Bernard - Playa Del Rey, CA
St. Ignatius - Sydney, Australia
St. Mary's - Stockton, CA

Brackets will be released soon.

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That’s a really deep field. Bernard’s and Jesuit Portland have never played in it and Catherdral should have their best team in a long time.

NCS707 said:

San Marin D4 1200 students although usually they are 900-1000. They have maxed out their program. Coaches are doing an excellent job. Thy can’t compete with 1000 all boys from all over the east bay.

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Central Catholic has less than 400 students. And they are playing in D1. This in my opinion is the flaw. They are in a GOOD year a D2 team. The VOL is a strange league anyway. Teams in D1, D2. D3 and D4. And have seeded teams in all 4. But it's the grind of playing in that league gets you ready for playoffs.

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NCS707 said:

San Marin D4 1200 students although usually they are 900-1000. They have maxed out their program. Coaches are doing an excellent job. Thy can’t compete with 1000 all boys from all over the east bay.

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Yes indeed. The lack of knowledge by the committee is remarkable. Total joke.

northbaybbguru said:

If you're in Ukiah you're loving life.

I told Cronin when he took the Ukiah job he'd have a better shot at winning a state title in Ukiah with CE.

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Well losing to St Vincent’s helped. Would’ve been in D3 now they are a 1 seed in D4.

Losing is rewarded!

larry legend33 said:

Good call. SV looks very good in D5. That QB they have is a baller.

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Never discount coach nightingale’s Salesian teams. Sonoma Valley has a good squad as well. Nice little bracket

northbaybbguru said:

San Marin is #8?????

Are you kidding me????

A d5/d4? school who came in 3d place in their league???

Whats the spread v DLS? 60?

This seeding ....IS THE ANTITHESIS OF WHAT COMPETITIVE EQUITY IS SUPPOSED TO BE.

Cruikshank and the NCS committee should be ashamed of themselves.

Liberty a D1 school is the #1 seed in D2? And NOT in the D1/Open bracket!!!! Huh??? How does that work?

Stunningly incompetent by the committee!

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San Marin D4 1200 students although usually they are 900-1000. They have maxed out their program. Coaches are doing an excellent job. Thy can’t compete with 1000 all boys from all over the east bay.

Worst brackets I’ve seen since I have been following HS FB the last 30 years.

As poor as the Open Bracket is, the real shame is all of the traditional small schools that are left out of the playoffs. You have schools that are traditionally D2 playing in D5 and D6 which are pushing the D5 schools down to D7. What a joke.

How are Montgomery and Petaluma playing down in D6, and an 8-2 Willits is going to miss the D7 playoffs because schools like Del Norte and Fortuna who never play in lowest division (traditionally 2nd or 3rd to the lowest division) are pushed down to D7. What a joke. They should reseed all brackets.

THIS IS A ROYAL F-UP BY THE NCS!

northbaybbguru said:

San Marin is #8?????

Are you kidding me????

A d5/d4? school who came in 3d place in their league???

Whats the spread v DLS? 60?

This seeding ....IS THE ANTITHESIS OF WHAT COMPETITIVE EQUITY IS SUPPOSED TO BE.

Cruikshank and the NCS committee should be ashamed of themselves.

Liberty a D1 school is the #1 seed in D2? And NOT in the D1/Open bracket!!!! Huh??? How does that work?

Stunningly incompetent by the committee!

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Cruikshank is from the Liberty school district. This format is incredibly beneficial to all three schools in that district. They get to bypass the green machine and let North Bay schools be the cannon fodder.

The issue with only going 4 in D1 means 4 less teams in the bracket overall.

As I called earlier smaller schools got screwed. Willits was 8-2 and did not make it.

Some other egregious examples are 5-5 Antioch and 3-7 College Park got rewarded with D4 births.

Competitive Equity doesn’t work in NCS like the SS. There aren’t enough schools and you end up screwing the little guys, and rewarding the mediocre big boys. I’ve preached this for a year now. At least the CCS has the WCAL. There aren’t enough teams to have a full divison to compete with DLS. No body has the population or resources in the NCS to compete with DLS. It’s been 35 years. Every few years Pitt or SRV or Cal maybe CVC can give them a decent game at best.

northbaybbguru said:

If you're in Ukiah you're loving life.

I told Cronin when he took the Ukiah job he'd have a better shot at winning a state title in Ukiah with CE.

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Good call. SV looks very good in D5. That QB they have is a baller.

larry legend33 said:

Yeah that is a bummer for a school like SM. They are a solid D3-D4 type team and will get hammered by DLS. Even newman and mc should be playing D2 really. They could make a serious run at RBG in that division. But they aren't open level. So here go again... Inferior teams playing late in the season. Yippee. If I'm windsor I'm lovin it.

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If you're in Ukiah you're loving life.

I told Cronin when he took the Ukiah job he'd have a better shot at winning a state title in Ukiah with CE.

MC415 said:

Wonder next year if these smaller schools will just schedule down and stay out of the Open so they have a chance to make a run in the playoffs, not much incentive for these teams to schedule up

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Yeah that is a bummer for a school like SM. They are a solid D3-D4 type team and will get hammered by DLS. Even newman and mc should be playing D2 really. They could make a serious run at RBG in that division. But they aren't open level. So here go again... Inferior teams playing late in the season. Yippee. If I'm windsor I'm lovin it.

Wonder next year if these smaller schools will just schedule down and stay out of the Open so they have a chance to make a run in the playoffs, not much incentive for these teams to schedule up

Yeah, Newman hammered them 34-3 and couldn't get by MC. DLS will hang 42 on them at half is my guess and running clock in 2nd half. And that is not a knock to SM either. They are a very good team in the correct division.

Terrible. Absolute Joke. Should have been 4 teams.

San Marin at #8 is a frign joke...

I have not seen the middle slots yet, but if SM got #8 slot, it seems that both MC and CN are in too

larry legend33 said:

That actually makes some sense to me.

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Nope we got DLS vs San Marin 1v8