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northbaybbguru · Nov 11, 2024

northbaybbguru said:
Lets be real....The move to 16 team brackets (for $$$) in divisions with only 24 teams back in the day led to the 1st round blowouts. U put teams in the playoffs that don't deserve it and then seed them against the powers in the division of course u are going to get blowouts. When the divisions were only 8 they were much more competitive.

This is what led to CE. When in reality if they stop putting EVERY team that could walk and chew gum into the playoffs we wouldn't have needed it.

northbaybbguru · Nov 11, 2024

Cal 14 said:
Definitely true.

The initial divisions were not real. That's what people need to understand. They were only starting points.

The insistence on enrollment divisions is what lead to all of the blowouts people complained about. That's what lead most other sections to adopt competitive equity in the first place.

I do think the NCS needs safeguards for the leagues with smaller schools, an increased number of automatic bids being the biggest one, IMO. This would start to include more smaller schools and exclude some of the marginal bigger schools.

Yes.

Lets be real....The move to 16 team brackets (for $$$) in divisions with only 24 teams back in the day led to the 1st round blowouts. U put teams in the playoffs that don't deserve it and then seed them against the powers in the division of course u are going to get blowouts. When the divisions were only 8 they were much more competitive.

ArmchairGOAT · Nov 11, 2024

dcpanda said:
If Cal wants a player, they can get them in. A Cal coach told me that. A player with a 4.0 is no problem, of course. Stanford and the Ivy League schools are trickier.

For players fit for a lower level, the D3 schools like Pomona are very difficult to get into, even if you’re an athlete.

LWinslow1973 said:
To be fair.. 4.0 really depends on the academic rigor of the school itself. a 4.0 at DeAnza community college is not the same as a 4.0 at Stanford. So the real test will be how he fairs at the collegiate level academically with the Riordan education system. I dont know enough about either school but just basing it on GPA is ludicrous..

@LWinslow1973, that a pretty condescending statement. As an inner city school, Riordan offers an AP path, college prep and HS curriculums. Its RSP program is a pioneer in NorCal and recognized as one of the best and addresses kids with learning disabilities. Also, the kids that Riordan has sent off to 4 year schools are kids of color- many the first in their familes to go to college - including the Ivy league and military academies - West Point and Air Force.

hoop review · Nov 11, 2024

Two tickets to the Golden State Warriors vs Houston Rockets game on Thursday December 5 will be raffled off Saturday November 30 at the Nor Cal Tip Off Classic at Dublin High School. You do NOT need to be present to win. The raffle will be held at halftime of the 8:30 pm Moreau Catholic-Modesto Christian feature game at approximately 9:00 pm. Tickets for the raffle can be purchased throughout the day..

Cal 14 · Nov 11, 2024

THEOC89 said:
And if El Cerrito doesn’t blow up this year, EC is in the Open and San Marin is not and it looks a lot better….

Definitely true.

THEOC89 said:
Personally, I just hate 3 and 4 win teams dropping down divisions and taking up playoff spots, doesn’t make any sense to me and it never has…. 🤷‍♂️

The initial divisions were not real. That's what people need to understand. They were only starting points.

The insistence on enrollment divisions is what lead to all of the blowouts people complained about. That's what lead most other sections to adopt competitive equity in the first place.

I do think the NCS needs safeguards for the leagues with smaller schools, an increased number of automatic bids being the biggest one, IMO. This would start to include more smaller schools and exclude some of the marginal bigger schools.

THEOC89 said:
True…. Someone will Always complain….

Yes.

Cal 14 · Nov 11, 2024

NCS707 said:
Not very many schools moved up. Moving down is the joke. The ripple effect is that only 3 actual D7 schools made the playoffs. St Vincent, St Bernard’s, and Ferndale. There was no place for D7 schools to move down to so they didn’t make it at all. Willits was 8-2 and missed NCS.

Do the math. Look at where the NCS commissioner had his teaching/coaching/AD career. Look who benefits the most. The BVAL gets to avoid the DLS machine (minus Pitt) and move down to D2-D4 and the 1 league in the section who actually was created with competitive equity and all the teams played tough non league games, Redwood Empire Adobe, moved up.

Now I will admit CAL made some good points. CN and MC are solidly top 5 in NCS this year and their schedules reflect that. If CN didn’t get lemon booty at MC they could arguably be ranked 2. There just aren’t as many power larger publics in NCS right now. BVAL is way way down and EBAL is slightly down as well. The SJS is just much deeper, with the population and family centric growth out there it makes sense.

I know the NCS has the “DLS problem” and there is no easy solution. Like I’ve said before there really isn’t a school who can elevate themselves on a yearly basis to compete with them. Even Pitt is a Title I-low income school, they’ll get kids transferring in but many families avoid that environment. There’s no Folsom in the NCS. There’s no WCAL either. They’ve been alone on the mountain for 35 years and even before that for much of the 80s as well.

On a side note the Redwood leagues below the Adobe need some easy adjustments, mainly the 2 middle leagues have outliers.

Number of schools to make playoffs by division

D1: 10
D2: 11
D3: 10
D4: 9
D5: 5
D6: 7
D7: 4

I understand your concern about many of the smaller programs being pushed out, but I don't think the use of Calpreps is exclusively to blame for that. I think the bigger problem may be that each league only gets one automatic bid.

Your example of Willits applies here, since they took 2nd place in the North Central I league. I would guess that in just about every other section, the Wolverines would have advanced.

If the NCS wanted to implement a tiered system for super regions like in the CCS, that's fine. This might mean something like the RE-A getting for auto bids, the RE-B and -V both getting two each, then the RE-M only getting one... that could make more sense. The DFAL and EBAL could do something similar. The North Central teams, however, don't have that unless you count the 8-man teams. That league should be getting at least 2 bids. By the opposite token, do all 5 DFAL-Foothill teams need to advance?

The CCS added more safeguards for the teams in the lower leagues this year. We'll see how it plays out, but so far the brackets look reasonable. The NCS should probably do something similar.

THEOC89 · Nov 11, 2024

Cal 14 said:
It was the schools complaining about the restrictive old CIF system that lead to this current one.

Bottom line is that someone will always complain.

True…. Someone will Always complain….

And if El Cerrito doesn’t blow up this year, EC is in the Open and San Marin is not and it looks a lot better….

Personally, I just hate 3 and 4 win teams dropping down divisions and taking up playoff spots, doesn’t make any sense to me and it never has…. 🤷‍♂️

larry legend33 · Nov 11, 2024

Well, here goes my predictions.....

Round 1

DLS 49
SM 7
As we all talked about. SM belongs in a lower division, and this will be over quickly. DLS will take foot off the gas in 2nd half.

Pitt 42
CVC 14

Pitt is too fast and deep for CVC. Another game that is over quickly.

SRV 35
CAL 24

This will be a good game with these opponents playing on 10.11 where SRV prevailed 38-26.
I think SRV pulls away but not until 4th.

Newman 17
MC 10

This assumes MC is without QB. Very hard beating a good team 2x in the same season. I think Newman figures a few things out on Offense and is able to get a couple scores and a FG. Both defenses are outstanding. If MC QB is able to play and he's near 100% this will be there game to lose at home.

I do think the winner of Newman and MC will give SRV all they can handle.

Cal 14 · Nov 11, 2024

Streak One said:
The bigget issue with these new playoff formats is everyone gets to go to a NorCal/State game. And in some cases, losing in the regular season game can help you advance (see Amador Valley losing to California).

I think the discussion would be different if not every section champ advanced to NorCal and you could opt out of NorCals.

It was the schools complaining about the restrictive old CIF system that lead to this current one.

Bottom line is that someone will always complain.

Cal 14 · Nov 11, 2024

kiddman32 said:
Since the discussions here have boiled it down to the seedings being based almost solely on MaxPreps rankings, the thing that needs to be examined is MaxPreps.

Especially since results sent to MaxPreps aren't completely reliable. If bogus results are sent to MaxPreps, the rankings end up being bogus.

For example, since I lived in Oregon for 18 years, I do check on scores from up there. Their #1 seed in 6A (top division) is Lake Oswego, 9-0. However, two of their results on MaxPreps were obviously wrong, one being something like 222-10 and the other being 109-4. My guess is some goofball sent the wrong ones in to be "funny"). I found the scores on the official OSAA website and sent corrections in myself. The 222-10 score was quickly changed to the proper score and the 109-4 score correction was NOT changed.

In our system depending almost completely on MaxPreps rankings, the seedings would potentially have been quite bogus, especially if said "joker" sent in other stupidly wrong results elsewhere. Fortunately, Oregon has a different setup altogether, not using any rankings, only league standings.

Example here: Would the rankings and therefore the seedings changed if some idiot had sent in incorrect scores to Maxpreps and it hadn't been caught by the few that actually look at scores? Unless the results might not be right, the rankings might not be, either.

Ok, I'm not sure why we still have to have this discussion 20 years in, but Maxpreps does not generate the computer ratings. That comes from Calpreps. There is no 109-4 score on Calpreps for Lake Oswego.

calpreps.com

THEOC89 · Nov 11, 2024

123ag3 said:
we have might have different definitions of relevant. In Fall 2022 they won CCS DII Football, and the NorCal DIII-A championship, losing the DIII-A state champ by 1 point. Winter that year they won CCS DI in soccer and basketball, and Spring 2023 they won CCS DII Baseball.

We do…. Relevant is Winning the WCAL and CCS Open….. Not some 4 win team that gets moved down to play a bunch of overmatched teams in some lower division….

You are in the WCAL, you need to win that league and win the CCS open or it doesn’t matter…, No one cares…. 🤣

THEOC89 · Nov 11, 2024

observer22 said:
I’m all for using rankings as a guide, but there needs to be some common sense applied. Amador Valley is a way better fit in the top bracket than San Marin. Nobody would have batted an eye if they were reversed.

Totally!!.,,, This is pretty Egregious….

San Marin vs DLS…. Enough Said, Should be AV or Liberty…. Those are D1 teams….

Miramonte in D6….. They were D5 Champs last year, how does the defending D5 champ move down to D6?….

Tamalpias and College park 2, 3 win teams in the playoffs, Rediculous…. I am sure there are 2 teams with winning records that could have filled those spots….

I will speak to College Park since I am a Booster….. I am really happy for the Seniors, they have had 3 coaches in 3 years, there are a lot of great kids on that team….. So I look forward to supporting them at their playoff game….

But give me a Break…. They lost to D6 Miramonte and D5 Salisian…. They only beat Alhambra and Benicia who are both Terrible teams and Concord who looks like a Pop Warner team out there….. CP taking up a Playoff spot for a lower division team that had a better record is Ridiculous….

The NCS got this all wrong…. All these sections are trying to game the system to get as many teams to SBG’s as possible….. I am with @bella123 , get rid of the sections, this is a joke…. 🤣

winetot · Nov 11, 2024

NCS707 said:
Not very many schools moved up. Moving down is the joke. The ripple effect is that only 3 actual D7 schools made the playoffs. St Vincent, St Bernard’s, and Ferndale. There was no place for D7 schools to move down to so they didn’t make it at all. Willits was 8-2 and missed NCS.

Do the math. Look at where the NCS commissioner had his teaching/coaching/AD career. Look who benefits the most. The BVAL gets to avoid the DLS machine (minus Pitt) and move down to D2-D4 and the 1 league in the section who actually was created with competitive equity and all the teams played tough non league games, Redwood Empire Adobe, moved up.

Now I will admit CAL made some good points. CN and MC are solidly top 5 in NCS this year and their schedules reflect that. If CN didn’t get lemon booty at MC they could arguably be ranked 2. There just aren’t as many power larger publics in NCS right now. BVAL is way way down and EBAL is slightly down as well. The SJS is just much deeper, with the population and family centric growth out there it makes sense.

I know the NCS has the “DLS problem” and there is no easy solution. Like I’ve said before there really isn’t a school who can elevate themselves on a yearly basis to compete with them. Even Pitt is a Title I-low income school, they’ll get kids transferring in but many families avoid that environment. There’s no Folsom in the NCS. There’s no WCAL either. They’ve been alone on the mountain for 35 years and even before that for much of the 80s as well.

On a side note the Redwood leagues below the Adobe need some easy adjustments, mainly the 2 middle leagues have outliers.

Number of schools to make playoffs by division

D1: 10
D2: 11
D3: 10
D4: 9
D5: 5
D6: 7
D7: 4

I could not agree more on the Redwood leagues. Napa and Justin-Siena should swap with SVDP and Ukiah in Group 2 and Group 3 respectively and then Sonoma should replace Justin-Siena in Group 3, moving Justin-Siena to Group 4. The future of Justin-Siena football has some work to do and if they stay in Group 2, they may have to start over with JV and Frosh teams.

larry legend33 · Nov 11, 2024

vukovich said:
That’s a really deep field. Bernard’s and Jesuit Portland have never played in it and Catherdral should have their best team in a long time.

Agreed. Jesuit-Carmichael will be in a bit of a rebuilding year after losing 80% of their offense from last year's team.

kiddman32 · Nov 11, 2024

That's sorta what I said in another thread regarding seeding, like San Marin getting into the Open division (for example).

The idea of a computerized system isn't completely without merit, but said system HAS to be better than what Maxpreps has going... Offhand, I can think of several teams that have had better seasons and should probably be ranked higher than San Marin.

NCS707 · Nov 11, 2024

winetot said:
Actually, the Athletic Directors and Coaches voted this system down, it was overturned by the Board of Managers. There was another proposal put up by, I believe, a Boy's Basketball coach that was rejected. The proposal made sense for the people that understand Athletics, it is unfortunate that we allow decisions to be made by people that cannot even spell Athletics.

Not very many schools moved up. Moving down is the joke. The ripple effect is that only 3 actual D7 schools made the playoffs. St Vincent, St Bernard’s, and Ferndale. There was no place for D7 schools to move down to so they didn’t make it at all. Willits was 8-2 and missed NCS.

Do the math. Look at where the NCS commissioner had his teaching/coaching/AD career. Look who benefits the most. The BVAL gets to avoid the DLS machine (minus Pitt) and move down to D2-D4 and the 1 league in the section who actually was created with competitive equity and all the teams played tough non league games, Redwood Empire Adobe, moved up.

Now I will admit CAL made some good points. CN and MC are solidly top 5 in NCS this year and their schedules reflect that. If CN didn’t get lemon booty at MC they could arguably be ranked 2. There just aren’t as many power larger publics in NCS right now. BVAL is way way down and EBAL is slightly down as well. The SJS is just much deeper, with the population and family centric growth out there it makes sense.

I know the NCS has the “DLS problem” and there is no easy solution. Like I’ve said before there really isn’t a school who can elevate themselves on a yearly basis to compete with them. Even Pitt is a Title I-low income school, they’ll get kids transferring in but many families avoid that environment. There’s no Folsom in the NCS. There’s no WCAL either. They’ve been alone on the mountain for 35 years and even before that for much of the 80s as well.

On a side note the Redwood leagues below the Adobe need some easy adjustments, mainly the 2 middle leagues have outliers.

Number of schools to make playoffs by division

D1: 10
D2: 11
D3: 10
D4: 9
D5: 5
D6: 7
D7: 4

winetot · Nov 11, 2024

Cal 14 said:
As with the same argument I've used elsewhere: everyone knew the rules before the season started. It was literally written into the NCS bylaws what the application of the Calpreps ratings was going to be.

After Brexit passed in the UK, do you know what the #1 Google search in that country reportedly was the day after the election?

"What is Brexit?"

It's up to the member of the organization to stay informed. They don't get to complain about it after the fact.

Actually, the Athletic Directors and Coaches voted this system down, it was overturned by the Board of Managers. There was another proposal put up by, I believe, a Boy's Basketball coach that was rejected. The proposal made sense for the people that understand athletics, it is unfortunate that we allow decisions to be made by people that cannot even spell athletics.

Streak One · Nov 11, 2024

The bigget issue with these new playoff formats is everyone gets to go to a NorCal/State game. And in some cases, losing in the regular season game can help you advance (see Amador Valley losing to California).

I think the discussion would be different if not every section champ advanced to NorCal and you could opt out of NorCals.

colhenrylives · Nov 11, 2024

rwccaptain42 said:
The Jesuits over at S.I would like to thank the R for beating Serra thus allowing them to share WCAL title. Great week for "Patriots", tough week for Padres!!!

Didn't Riordan defeat St. Francis to force a tie with SI for the title?

winetot · Nov 11, 2024

Cal 14 said:
I don't disagree that the more closed a system is, the more difficult it is for the Calpreps system to accurately gauge the strength of the teams. I believe there is an adjustment for the Northern Section, but I don't think there would be one for the northern portion of the North Coast Section. That said...

Cardinal Newman played:
- Vacaville, #2 team from the Monticello Empire, winner in the first round of the SJS D-II playoffs... beat them by 18.
- Bishop O'Dowd, champs of the West Alameda County-Foothill division, #4 seed in the NCS D-2 playoffs... beat them by 56.
- Pleasant Valley, champs of the Easter League, #1 seed of the NS D-II (top division) playoffs... beat them by 27.

Marin Catholic played:
- Inderkum, co-champ of the Capital Valley league, #4 seed of the SJS D-I playoffs... lost by 26.
- St. Mary's, champs of the Tri-City league, #2 seed of the SJS D-II playoffs... lost by 13.
- Manteca, champs of the Valley Oak league, #4 seed of the SJS D-II playoffs... beat them by 1 (gave them their only loss).
- Edison (Stockton), #2 team from the Tri-City league, #9 seed of the SJS D-I playoffs... beat them by 10.

San Marin played:
- Foothill (Palo Cedro), tied for 2nd in the Eastern League, #2 seed of the NS D-II playoffs... beat them by 20.

Windsor played:
- Campolindo, tied for 3rd in the Diablo-Foothill division, #3 seed of the NCS D-3 playoffs... beat them by 19.

I think we can both agree that the RE-A top teams went out of the area and demonstrated that their ratings were not due to a closed system.

Alisal is the #2 seed of the CCS D-V playoffs. The school's enrollment is 2900. I can assure you that no one is transferring to Alisal for some sort of athletic competitive edge over small schools. Even if athletes started doing so, the team would start to do better and they'd no longer be in D-V. They were in D-III last year.

The largest school in the Pacific Coast-Gabilan division is Hollister at 3450 students. The Haybalers tied for 6th place (out of 7 teams... tied for last).

The real problem with this is the continued reliance on enrollment equating to team strength.

Not true. Bishop O'Dowd is a base D-4 team who is competing in the D-2 playoffs.

Of course, you do understand that if Cardinal Newman and Marin Catholic move to the Open division, other teams will naturally have to drop as a result, right?

I am really impressed with your detail. Great catch on O'Dowd. So O'Dowd and SVDP are the TWO teams that went down and WEIRD they are both private schools that have student/athletes from 3 counties. I understand Open/D1 teams dropping as a result of D6 Cardinal Newman and Marin Catholic moving to the Open for sure. I just do not think D2-D-5 schools should drop 2 divisions. I just think it is flawed. Maybe if you are really good you can move up divisions but if you are mediocre in your division you cannot move down. I have no idea the correct answer. I know that in the Redwood Empire there was a change in leagues and the only one that seems correct is the RE-A. Those games were all really competitive. I would have tried to avoid a rematch in the first round of Open. Maybe swap CN to 6 or MC to 3. As I have said, there is no perfect system. However I do not think NCS has a true understanding of competitive equity.

kiddman32 · Nov 11, 2024

I see your point regarding academic rigor, but considering that Tofi's 4.0 also comes with the fact that he commited to Cal, no academic slouch. Just sayin'...

rwccaptain42 · Nov 11, 2024

The Jesuits over at S.I would like to thank the R for beating Serra thus allowing them to share WCAL title. Great week for "Patriots", tough week for Padres!!!

kiddman32 · Nov 11, 2024

Since the discussions here have boiled it down to the seedings being based almost solely on MaxPreps rankings, the thing that needs to be examined is MaxPreps.

Especially since results sent to MaxPreps aren't completely reliable. If bogus results are sent to MaxPreps, the rankings end up being bogus.

For example, since I lived in Oregon for 18 years, I do check on scores from up there. Their #1 seed in 6A (top division) is Lake Oswego, 9-0. However, two of their results on MaxPreps were obviously wrong, one being something like 222-10 and the other being 109-4. My guess is some goofball sent the wrong ones in to be "funny"). I found the scores on the official OSAA website and sent corrections in myself. The 222-10 score was quickly changed to the proper score and the 109-4 score correction was NOT changed.

In our system depending almost completely on MaxPreps rankings, the seedings would potentially have been quite bogus, especially if said "joker" sent in other stupidly wrong results elsewhere. Fortunately, Oregon has a different setup altogether, not using any rankings, only league standings.

Example here: Would the rankings and therefore the seedings changed if some idiot had sent in incorrect scores to Maxpreps and it hadn't been caught by the few that actually look at scores? Unless the results might not be right, the rankings might not be, either.

Streak One · Nov 11, 2024

1. De La Salle (10-0)

With a 49-3 win over Clayton Valley Charter, De La Salle ended the regular season undefeated with an average margin of victory of 28 points. Derrick Blanche had two touchdowns for the Spartans, which saw five different players rush for a score. The Spartans are the No. 1 seed in the Open Division and will host San Marin in the first round.

2. Folsom (9-1)

Coming off a first round bye in the SJS Division I playoffs, Folsom will host Downey in a matchup of two of the most productive quarterbacks in the section with Folsom’s Ryder Lyons and Downey’s Carson Lamb.

3. Pittsburg (9-1)

11 different players got a carry and seven different players had a catch in Pittsburg’s 57-16 win over Antioch. Jamar Searcy had more than 100 yards and a touchdown on six catches and Jadyn Hudson had an interception on defense. The Pirates are the No. 2 seed in the NCS Open Division and will take on Clayton Valley Charter this week.

4. San Ramon Valley (9-1)

Rhett Thompson threw for 314 yards and four touchdowns in a 38-7 win over Monte Vista. Marco Jones put together a big game with 14 tackles and 3.5 sacks. The Wolves are the No. 3 seed and will host California, which they beat 38-26 on October 11.

5. St. Mary’s-Stockton (8-2)

The Rams are moving into the Top 20 following last week’s loss by St. Francis to Riordan and the fact St. Mary’s has a win over Marin Catholic and played De La Salle tougher than anyone else thus far. This week, they start the SJS Division II playoffs against Vacaville.

6. St. Francis-Mountain View (8-2)

Despite the 34-24 loss to Riordan, St. Francis enters the CCS playoffs as our top rated team in the section with a share of the WCAL title and the only WCAL program to beat a fellow WCAL ranked program on the road. In last week’s loss to the Crusaders, Kingston Keanaaina returned a kickoff for a score and quarterback Aaron Knapp threw for a touchdown and ran for another. The Lancers are the No. 2 seed in the CCS Open Division playoffs and host Valley Christian this week.

7. St. Ignatius (8-2)

St. Ignatius will take a three game winning streak into the CCS Open Division playoffs after beating Mitty 24-19. The Wildcats, who are the No. 1 seed, will host Salinas. In the regular season, St. Ignatius was 5-0 in one possession games.

8. Grant (7-3)

As the No. 3 seed in the SJS Division II playoffs, Grant will take on Jesuit in the quarterfinals in a matchup of two of the most storied programs in the Sac-Joaquin Section.

9. Oak Ridge (6-4)

The Trojans had an off week after their win over Rocklin to end the regular season. They return to the field on Friday when they host Monterey Trail in the SJS Division I quarterfinals.

10. Rocklin (8-2)

Rocklin is the top seed in the SJS Division II playoffs and will host Elk Grove on Friday. The Thunder have only allowed more than 21 points twice this year (Turlock and Folsom).

11. Riordan (6-4)

Mike Mitchell Jr. threw for 178 yards and three touchdowns and added a go ahead rushing score in the fourth quarter en route to a 34-24 win over St. Francis. Chris Lawson added a touchdown catch and an interception. Riordan is the No. 3 seed in the CCS Division I playoffs and will take on Soquel this week.

12. Los Gatos (8-2)

Grayson Doslak rushed for 137 yards and three touchdowns and Scotty Brennan found Owen Patu for a touchdown as Los Gatos beat Palo Alto 44-6. The win was spurred by a 30 point second quarter. Los Gatos will travel to Serra this week in a 4-5 matchup in the CCS Division I playoffs.

13. Soquel (8-2)

Soquel has won eight in a row after shutting out Aptos 45-0. Tyreis Lundy and Keyandre Bailey each rushed for more than 100 yards and Sam Whelan tossed three touchdowns. The Knights are giving up less than 10 points per game this season heading into the CCS Division I opener against Riordan.

14. Marin Catholic (8-2)

Jarred Geisberger scored the game winning touchdown in the fourth quarter as the Wildcats beat Windsor 24-21 to secure an outright league title. Marin Catholic, which went 6-0 on the road in the regular season, will be at home to start the NCS Division I playoffs on Saturday against Cardinal Newman.

15. Manteca (9-1)

Manteca, which only has a one point loss to Marin Catholic on its loss ledger, will host undefeated Rodriguez in the SJS Division II playoffs.

16. Serra (5-5)

Nano Latu had a touchdown run and a touchdown catch and the Padres’ defense held Valley Christian in check throughout the night with a 29-3 win. Serra gets a home game to start the CCS Division I playoffs against Los Gatos on Saturday.

17. Cardinal Newman (9-1)

Cardinal Newman held Vintage to 154 yards in a 33-0 shutout win. It is the third time this year that the Cardinals have held an opponent to three points or less. They will get a rematch against the only team to beat them, Marin Catholic, in the NCS Division I playoffs.

18. Salinas (8-2)

Bouncing back from its loss to Soquel, Salinas ended the regular season with a 31-14 win over Hollister. Rico Maturino threw for 286 yards and three touchdowns as head coach Steve Zenk earned career win No. 100. Next up is the CCS Open Division opener against top seed St. Ignatius.

19. Valley Christian (5-5)

Dealing with injuries to its running backs, Valley Christian’s failed to score an offensive touchdown in a 29-3 loss at Serra. The Warriors have lost three straight heading into the postseason, where they will face St. Francis-Mountain View.

20. Wilcox (8-2)

Wilcox got 105 yards and four touchdowns in a 30-21 win over Menlo-Atherton to get the outright league title. The game was tied at 21 entering the fourth quarter. Wilcox is the top seed in the CCS Division II playoffs and will face Santa Teresa.

Cal 14 · Nov 11, 2024

winetot said:
What makes the most sense in the NCS is the BEST play Open(that does not have to be 8 teams).

The section tried 4 teams years ago. The persistent complaint that it wasn't fair because no one could get past DLS. As a concession, the section came up with the current D-1/Open format, which would only work with 8 teams.

winetot said:
But all those teams have a chance to move on even after a loss within their respected division.

This is entirely untrue. In order for a team to advance after a loss, they would have to make it to the Open championship game.

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