Folsom/Central NorCal 1AA

[ThunderRam]

Hate to say.... But I told you so. Actually hung 84. Sorry this is the greatest football team in SJS in the last 25+ years. I've watched a lot of football and totally different level. Folks this was a 13-0 team!!!!!! Who gives up 84.

84 points against any Section Champ is impressive. I recall Elk Grove scoring 77 in a section final against a 3-time finalist. But this occurred in a NorCal Regional against a 13-0 Section Champ.

Defensively, I think they are better than the score makes it appear. Scoring as many points as they do -- and as quickly as they often do it -- the opposition gets a lot more possessions. Same type of thing happened against Chaminade early in the season.

IMO it's akin to Centennial Corona in terms of pace and the amount of chunk plays. In 2016, CC played a 50-49 game against an IMG team that was in the mix for the Mythical Nat'l championship and could certainly play defense (IMG held all but 2 opponents to 14 or under). But surrendering 49 points certainly didn't make it appear that way. Quality of opponent and pace of play dictated a higher scoring game.

When Folsom faced DLS in a much slower paced game that lacked the same amount of chunk plays, the result was a scoreless half and 14-0 final. So was Folsom's defense that good or did the slower pace and fewer possessions make it appear that way? Same logic applies in reverse.

The last 2 examples show why score comparisons and analysis derived from box scores are usually very flawed.

 

[Jfoyosoul]

Cen10’s defense was excellent this year. Their defensive front was nasty. Folsom doesn’t deserve to play MD. DLS deserves to play MD after beating Folsom. End of story. Folsom is playing the San Diego team they deserve to play...

Wow u really are kinda bent out of shape..first off i said folsom deserves to play a team LIKE MD i didnt say the deserve it over dls.of course dls beat folsom so they earned it...folsom deserves a better team then cathedral..no offense to them..central was better challenge...and for anyone to say folsom isnt same as dls is disillusioned and is probably not even a dls affiliate or true fan just someone who hates folsom...folsom had 5 turnovers with two being reversible and one where it cost them a 7 - 0 lead and they were in concord..its like patriots losing to steelers in pittsburg with 5 turnovers and bad ref calls and only 14 0 and and not being at same level..hogwash..most dls fans if not all who saw game would support notion that neither team is better its just that dls executes so well and thats the difference.

 

[sarpar]

Wow u really are kinda bent out of shape..first off i said folsom deserves to play a team LIKE MD i didnt say the deserve it over dls.of course dls beat folsom so they earned it...folsom deserves a better team then cathedral..no offense to them..central was better challenge...and for anyone to say folsom isnt same as dls is disillusioned and is probably not even a dls affiliate or true fan just someone who hates folsom...folsom had 5 turnovers with two being reversible and one where it cost them a 7 - 0 lead and they were in concord..its like patriots losing to steelers in pittsburg with 5 turnovers and bad ref calls and only 14 0 and and not being at same level..hogwash..most dls fans if not all who saw game would support notion that neither team is better its just that dls executes so well and thats the difference.

One thing to keep in mind, when you see posts like redzone's, is that blocks spent a year poisoning people's perception of Folsom and their fans.

 

[ThunderRam]

.first off i said folsom deserves to play a team LIKE MD i didnt say the deserve it over dls.of course dls beat folsom so they earned it...folsom deserves a better team then cathedral..no offense to them.

Here's an easy solution. Since the CCS and NCS Open losers get to advance to Regionals, the SS needs to rename their D1 game to SS Open so that their loser moves on too.

Applying it to this season means SJB would have beaten the tar out of Cathedral or Narbonne in the Regional to face Folsom next week. Problem solved.

While most would expect SJB to beat Folsom handily, it would be a far more interesting and intriguing match up then what we're getting this year or the past couple years.

The entire point should be to get the best teams matched up for the best games. Figure it out CIF.

Or they could just put together a true State-wide playoff system. But who wants that?

 

[larry legend33]

84 points against a top 10 CA HS football team..... What can you say? I love how people on here will say well they gave up x points and talk smack about it. Its like an NBA team beating somebody 145-110. You still got boat raced. This is the best team of the last 25 years around here. Plain and simple.

Curious who has the stats for the DLS vs Folsom game? I would be surprised if Folsom statistically (other than TO's) was better in that game. Not trying to start anything but I watched that game and Folsom controlled the ball and offensively seemed to rack up more yards. It was the TO's and that costly one in the end zone that did them in. DLS was efficient when it mattered but Your a fool if you think this Folsom team couldn't beat DLS on any given day.

 

[Truthhertz]

This is the best team of the last 25 years around here. Plain and simple.

I’m sure there are some DLS teams that would disagree with this statement. Heck this years team actually beat this squad. But then again you predicted Liberty would give DLS all they could handle so you claims need to be taken with a grain of salt so they say.

 

[BigMann08]

84 points against a top 10 CA HS football team..... What can you say? I love how people on here will say well they gave up x points and talk smack about it. Its like an NBA team beating somebody 145-110. You still got boat raced. This is the best team of the last 25 years around here. Plain and simple.

Curious who has the stats for the DLS vs Folsom game? I would be surprised if Folsom statistically (other than TO's) was better in that game. Not trying to start anything but I watched that game and Folsom controlled the ball and offensively seemed to rack up more yards. It was the TO's and that costly one in the end zone that did them in. DLS was efficient when it mattered but Your a fool if you think this Folsom team couldn't beat DLS on any given day.

Congrats to Folsom! Great win!

Best out of SJS?! You can make that argument. I disagree. I'm still taking the 2008 Grant Pacers over this Folsom team. Maybe even 2006.

Folsoms offense is one of the best I've ever seen. They have a very talented group. But in terms of weapons, still got to go with Grant 96. Chad Elliot, Onterrio Smith, Donte Stallworth, Mario Henderson, Anthony Hernandez, Derrick Grays. But Folsom is still a dynamite team.

 

[FBAddict]

Wow u really are kinda bent out of shape..first off i said folsom deserves to play a team LIKE MD i didnt say the deserve it over dls.of course dls beat folsom so they earned it...folsom deserves a better team then cathedral..no offense to them..central was better challenge...and for anyone to say folsom isnt same as dls is disillusioned and is probably not even a dls affiliate or true fan just someone who hates folsom...folsom had 5 turnovers with two being reversible and one where it cost them a 7 - 0 lead and they were in concord..its like patriots losing to steelers in pittsburg with 5 turnovers and bad ref calls and only 14 0 and and not being at same level..hogwash..most dls fans if not all who saw game would support notion that neither team is better its just that dls executes so well and thats the difference.

I really hope Folsom will step out further than trying to knock off DLS. Lets see them schedule the top SoCal teams or others of worthy note. Their success should start realizing funding that can be used to travel. Lets see it happen.

 

[raffidog123]

No difference if Folsom played DLS last night. Great defenses always stop great offenses.

 

[BigMann08]

84 points against a top 10 CA HS football team..... What can you say? I love how people on here will say well they gave up x points and talk smack about it. Its like an NBA team beating somebody 145-110. You still got boat raced. This is the best team of the last 25 years around here. Plain and simple.

Curious who has the stats for the DLS vs Folsom game? I would be surprised if Folsom statistically (other than TO's) was better in that game. Not trying to start anything but I watched that game and Folsom controlled the ball and offensively seemed to rack up more yards. It was the TO's and that costly one in the end zone that did them in. DLS was efficient when it mattered but Your a fool if you think this Folsom team couldn't beat DLS on any given day.

This Folsom team has the talent to beat DLS but not the scheme. Folsom is hands down, the more talented team. The reason why Folsom wont beat DLS is because Folsom lives and dies with their QB. If you watch the game again, you will see how DLS treated Bennett. They took him completely out of the game. He was sacked 6 times, fumbled twice, and threw 2 interceptions. He could not handle the pressure, (when you have a 5 star DE and a 4 star LB hounding you, that's to be expected). He finished the game with 148 yards passing and -39 yards rushing. Bennett is a dual threat qb. Meaning he is a good passer and runner. In other words, he's like a second running back. Its uncommon for dual QBs to be held to -39 rushing yards. Especially at the High School level.

The receivers depend on Bennett to get them the ball. DLS has a great front 7 anchored by a 5 star Defensive End and LB. We've been talking about 5 star athletes all week. Gotta give them two young men credit. They hounded Bennett all night long. They didnt allow him to have his normal (incredible) stat line.

I'm with you, DLS doesn't match up well with Folsoms receivers. The Ngata Brothers and Badger are big time. But if you cant get them the ball their talent is severely negated.

Folsom's offense is unbalanced. D. Ngata is a Notre Dame recruit. He doesnt even have 1000 yards rushing. Which is insane! SJS is home of the 2k yard running back...Its like a rites of passage for a top flight running back to eclipse 2k yards... For Folsom to beat DLS, Ngata would have to have 20-30 carries.

 

[BigMann08]

No difference if Folsom played DLS last night. Great defenses always stop great offenses.

Gotta give DLS defense props.

 

[Truthhertz]

For Folsom to beat DLS, Ngata would have to have 20-30 carries.

And this will never happen, it’s not who they are.

 

[larry legend33]

I’m sure there are some DLS teams that would disagree with this statement. Heck this years team actually beat this squad. But then again you predicted Liberty would give DLS all they could handle so you claims need to be taken with a grain of salt so they say.

Best in SJS History. I also said Folsom would hang 70 on central. I guess i was wrong it was 84.

Grant 2008 was really good. Different styles but all the advantage on the coaching side to Folsom. That is where you can really see the difference. Sorry coach AL got athletes and let them run. Clearly not much coaching goes on. Folsom has athletes and is well coached. Hell they have an ex all pro Te on their sidelines.

 

[Truthhertz]

Best in SJS History. I also said Folsom would hang 70 on central. I guess i was wrong it was 84.

Grant 2008 was really good. Different styles but all the advantage on the coaching side to Folsom. That is where you can really see the difference. Sorry coach AL got athletes and let them run. Clearly not much coaching goes on. Folsom has athletes and is well coached. Hell they have an ex all pro Te on their sidelines.

Well I guess if you make enough predictions you’re bound to get something right every now and then. This does not lead to that meaning you know what you’re talking about however it’s just odds. So now you’re off the claim of best in last 25 years to best ever in SJS. Well that means better than the Grant teams as mentioned, Rancho Cordova teams that are well documented and legendary, I believe Elk Grove had a team or two that were pretty darn good, the Folsom 2014 team was undefeated this team isn’t. It’s hard to buy into best ever claims with a blemish on the record. ( oh and that blemish was a direct result of being “outcoach”)

 

[mrbig864]

So now you’re off the claim of best in last 25 years to best ever in SJS. Well that means better than the Grant teams as mentioned, Rancho Cordova teams that are well documented and legendary, I believe Elk Grove had a team or two that were pretty darn good, the Folsom 2014 team was undefeated this team isn’t. It’s hard to buy into best ever claims with a blemish on the record. ( oh and that blemish was a direct result of being “outcoach”)

Feel free to know what the hell you are talking about before going after someone. Larry was NOT stating this Folsom team was the best ever in Nor Cal. I suppose If you’d have read the whole thread ,instead of picking and choosing posts to go after... you’d realize Larry’s claim from the get-go was stating Folsom is the best he’d seen in the “SJS section in 25 years”. Here you go

Hate to say.... But I told you so. Actually hung 84. Sorry this is the greatest football team in SJS in the last 25+ years. I've watched a lot of football and totally different level. Folks this was a 13-0 team!!!!!! Who gives up 84.

I tend to agree with him. The Cordova teams you mention were nearly 40 years ago. The Briggs led Elk Grove team was 30 years ago...so the aren’t even part of his claim (remember, he said “25 years”. But hey, don’t let facts get in the way of your totally off base rant). *UPDATE...my math was off, and I understand Briggs EG team was only 20 years ago. I still believe Larry can have the opinion this Folsom team is better.*

I tend to think this Folsom team would beat 2006 Grant (which I think was slightly better than their Open Game Chamiponship team of 2008), altho they had some STUDS. I also think this Folsom team is better than the 2014 Folsom team. This team, like the 2014 team, would also be undefeated right now had they not faced a great DLS squad.

It’s funny how butt-hurt some of y’all get when anyone even considers that another team ‘could’ challenge the mightily Spartans. Get off your high horse

 

[raffidog123]

I agree somewhat that Folsom is more talented, at least where the Nagata brothers and Badger are concerned. Folsom also has a good, but not great qb. Where I probably disagree is the rest of the players:

* DLS has a better OL.
* DLS has a MUCH better DL.
* DLS has better linebacking crew.
* DLS has better defensive backfield.

So other than the 3-4 star Folsom players, don't see where you say that overall Folsom is more talented.

 

[ballinplayin365]

Feel free to know what the hell you are talking about before going after someone. Larry was NOT stating this Folsom team was the best ever in Nor Cal. I suppose If you’d have read the whole thread ,instead of picking and choosing posts to go after... you’d realize Larry’s claim from the get-go was stating Folsom is the best he’d seen in the “SJS section in 25 years”. Here you go



I tend to agree with him. The Cordova teams you mention were nearly 40 years ago. The Briggs led Elk Grove team was 30 years ago...so the aren’t even part of his claim (remember, he said “25 years”. But hey, don’t let facts get in the way of your totally off base rant).
I tend to think this Folsom team would beat 2006 Grant (which I think was better than their Open Game Chamiponship team of 2008), altho they had some STUDS. I also think this Folsom team is better than the 2014 Folsom team. This team, like the 2014 team, would also be undefeated right now had they not faced a great DLS squad.

It’s funny how butt-hurt some of y’all get when anyone even considers that another team ‘could’ challenge the mightily Spartans. Get off your high horse

Just for fact purposes, Briggs graduated eg in 1999. Season ended in 1998. 1998 to 2018 is 20 years. 30 years would be back to 1988. Hope that helps.

 

[larry legend33]

Feel free to know what the hell you are talking about before going after someone. Larry was NOT stating this Folsom team was the best ever in Nor Cal. I suppose If you’d have read the whole thread ,instead of picking and choosing posts to go after... you’d realize Larry’s claim from the get-go was stating Folsom is the best he’d seen in the “SJS section in 25 years”. Here you go



I tend to agree with him. The Cordova teams you mention were nearly 40 years ago. The Briggs led Elk Grove team was 30 years ago...so the aren’t even part of his claim (remember, he said “25 years”. But hey, don’t let facts get in the way of your totally off base rant).
I tend to think this Folsom team would beat 2006 Grant (which I think was better than their Open Game Chamiponship team of 2008), altho they had some STUDS. I also think this Folsom team is better than the 2014 Folsom team. This team, like the 2014 team, would also be undefeated right now had they not faced a great DLS squad.

It’s funny how butt-hurt some of y’all get when anyone even considers that another team ‘could’ challenge the mightily Spartans. Get off your high horse

Keep in mind I've seen all these teams play over the past 25 years as well. I attend a crap load of games every year. This years Folsom team is beyond special. If you can't realize this then you are just not very smart and its a waste of time debating this. I didn't say anything about DLS. They haven't been beat yet but I'm also smart enough to know Folsom could beat them this year. Shit if they played again tomorrow its a toss up. Both teams are vastly better.

Its like somebody saying Alabama has the best team they've seen in College football in the last decade + this year. Pretty strong argument wouldn't you say? Same thing for Folsom.

 

[raffidog123]

TheComish33: that is an hilarious take off on my post. I guess the Folsom OL is so much better since they only gave up what, 7 sacks in the DLS game.

So interesting how you have to justify how good Folsom is. Let them be admired for who they are; a truly excellent team that is in the level just below MD, DLS, and SJB.

 

[BigMann08]

I tend to think this Folsom team would beat 2006 Grant (which I think was better than their Open Game Chamiponship team of 2008), altho they had some STUDS. I also think this Folsom team is better than the 2014 Folsom team. This team, like the 2014 team, would also be undefeated right now had they not faced a great DLS squad.

People forget that the 2008 team had Devontae Booker in the backfield. He and Konessetti (6'4 220 pound QB) would have ran all over this Folsom team. Let's not forget that Booker was an All Pac 12 first team running back. A Semi finalist for Maxwell and Doak Walker awards. Grant's offensive line was 300 pounds of fierceness... This team beat the #2 team in the nation. Those two kids running behind that offensive line was unstoppable. Folsoms defense would have gotten manhandled.

Again they beat the #2 team in the nation. In the State Open game... stop it! Lol

 

[mrbig864]

Just for fact purposes, Briggs graduated eg in 1999. Season ended in 1998. 1998 to 2018 is 20 years. 30 years would be back to 1988. Hope that helps.

Fair is fair. And to think. I used to be good at math.

I saw that EG play once, and considering how Far back it is, I remember very little except how damn fast and big Briggs was. I doesn’t change the basis of my post, which is that Larry’s original intent was completely misconstrued .

 

[Knock Heads]

Sorry guys but DLS has the better players. They won. End of story.

 

[mrbig864]

Even more hilarious then the new name you have after being banned from your others? Want me to list your others? You have 5 min to list, before I list them all.

Well isn’t that the “Pot calling the Kettle black”?

Commish, who joined TODAY, calling out someone for all their past screen names? Blahahaha

Let’s all welcome back Commish/G61/FolsomBulldog and his 6th or 7th screen name.

 

[BigMann08]

@mrbig864

I go back and forth between the 2008 and 2006 team. I tip my hat to the 2008 state team because they won the State Championship. But the 2006 team was violent on defense.

Both teams were bigger, faster, and stronger than this years Folsom team. The line play on both sides of the ball clearly went to Grant. 2006's defense was similar to the 2009 Pacers. Except 2006 was violent. A kid got sent to the ambulance every game. That spread wouldnt have worked against those Grant teams.

 

[mrbig864]

People forget that the 2008 team had Devontae Booker in the backfield. He and Konessetti (6'4 220 pound QB) would have ran all over this Folsom team. Let's not forget that Booker was an All Pac 12 first team running back. A Semi finalist for Maxwell and Doak Walker awards. Grant's offensive line was 300 pounds of fierceness... This team beat the #2 team in the nation. Those two kids running behind that offensive line was unstoppable. Folsoms defense would have gotten manhandled.

Again they beat the #2 team in the nation. In the State Open game... stop it! Lol

“unstoppable”? Um...Are you referring to the same Grant team that benefited from a few questionable flags in squeaking past Granite Bay in the Playoffs? A terrible personal foul call AFTER the play was over moved GB out of game winning FG range, and I believe another flag on the next play pushed them back another 10-15 yards.

I’m not dissing that Grant team, and all the athletes they had. But yes, I think this Folsom team beats them.

 

[BigMann08]

No Chance. Folsom may give up 40 like last time, but they'd score 80 if they decided to leave they're starters in. Could have scored 100 tonight on a top 10 CA opponent.

The best the SJS has seen in 30 years. Period.

Hahaha not with that donut to De la Salle on their record.... stop it!

 

[raffidog123]

Besides the Brothers, Bennet and Badger, tell me the following:

Names of Folsom OL players that are better than the DLS OL players.
Names of Folsom DL players that are better than the DLS DL (I will love to see you justify here since the DLS DL had what, 6-7 sacks in the Folsom game).
Names of Folsom Linebackers that are better than the DLS linebackers.
Names of Folsom DB's that are better than the DLS DB's.

I see 3-4 Folsom skill players that are better than DLS players, but where else?

 

[concrete17]

Well isn’t that the “Pot calling the Kettle black”?

Commish, who joined TODAY, calling out someone for all their past screen names? Blahahaha

Let’s all welcome back Commish/G61/FolsomBulldog and his 6th or 7th screen name.

The Big Moments always wake the board's Sleepers.....past & present.

https://media.giphy.com/media/3ov9kam2rQIudkg1qg/source.gif

 

[BigMann08]

“unstoppable”? Um...Are you referring to the same Grant team that benefited from a few questionable flags in squeaking past Granite Bay in the Playoffs? A terrible personal foul call AFTER the play was over moved GB out of game winning FG range, and I believe another flag on the next play pushed them back another 10-15 yards.

I’m not dissing that Grant team, and all the athletes they had. But yes, I think this Folsom team beats them.

Yes I'm definitely referring to that Grant Pacer team...That team that beat the #2 team in the Nation... That team! They would have matched up well against Folsoms spread. And they would have ran the ball over Folsom.

 

[raffidog123]

Even more hilarious then the new name you have after being banned from your others? Want me to list your others? You have 5 min to list, before I list them all.

DLS got manhandled on the lines by little old public school Folsom.

Let them be admired for who they are; the #1 team in Norcal.

Manhandled; I guess the Folsom OL giving up 7 sacks is manhandling the DLS DL.

 

[FootballJunkie101]

I really hope Folsom will step out further than trying to knock off DLS. Lets see them schedule the top SoCal teams or others of worthy note. Their success should start realizing funding that can be used to travel. Lets see it happen.

I've been saying this for a few years now. It would be great for NorCal football and especially the SJS if they were to do this.

 

[BigMann08]

@mrbig864

But I can't take anything away from this years Folsoms team. They were a treat to watch! I wouldnt call them the best SJS team ever, but they are definitely worthy of the mention!

I would also be remiss to not mention that 98 Elk Grove team! They were the only team to keep Onterrio Smith under 100 yards. Smith once told me that Lance Briggs was a BIG problem!

 

[Truthhertz]

False.

Folsom has better players. DLS won the game in a battle.

DLS struggled. Folsom made mistakes.

DLS forced Folsom mistakes! Book it.

 

[RidgeRider]

Surprisingly not.

Although I am an avid reader of these forums and have noticed the same banned members, continuing to create names, obsess, and troll.

They are being called out as well as the mod for allowing it but trying to ban others.

You should go back on your meds.

 

[ThunderRam]

Best out of SJS?! You can make that argument. I disagree. I'm still taking the 2008 Grant Pacers over this Folsom team. Maybe even 2006.

Agreed. Best team in SJS history.

Here's my take.

First, I don't believe it's a good idea to compare teams/eras with how you believe they would have fared in a hypothetical match up -- specifically when there is a large gap in between. If that's the case, a current team is always gonna come out on top against a team from say 30 year earlier. Evolution of the players and the game. Better playing surfaces. There's really no way to fairly compare.

So I judge things more by how they stacked up and compared to the teams/players of their respective era. One reason being is, if the players from say a 1975 team were magically transported and raised in this era, they'd be better athletes/players than they were during their own time. Conversely, a modern day team transported back in time and raised in that era would be limited by the evolution, technology and knowledge of time.

Regarding Folsom, I'm not convinced this current team is better than their 2014 team. Better offensive skill players at the WR and RB positions? Absolutely. But 2014 had the better QB and more talented, physical line play -- on both sides of the ball. So not only do I debate 'best team in SJS history', I debate best team in Folsom history.

While the 2014 team wasn't vetted against DLS, some are forgetting that they put a running clock on all 16 opponents. Like this 2018 team, they also destroyed an undefeated section champ (Grant Union). That team also followed that up with a 61 point win in their SBG.

I also think Folsom's 2010 team had comparable offensive skill talent with Dano Graves (Nat' POTY), Jordan Richards (NFL), Tyler Trosin and Kori Babineaux, but their offensive line and defense keeps them out of the greatest Folsom team discussion.

I think it's fair to compare those 3 teams because they all played within an 8 year period. Same era.

But with regard to best SJS ever, I still believe that title rests with 1975 Cordova. While there was no CIF playoff system for D1, they did win their 2 Capital City playoff games, finished #1 in CA, and were voted Mythical Nat'l Champs. There's no higher honor to be had. So for that reason, they still have the strongest argument for #1 ever in the SJS.

I also believe 1985 Cordova, 1997 and 1998 Elk Grove, and the 1996, 2006 and 2008 Grant Union teams (based off accomplishments and records) all have strong cases, along with 2014 and 2018 Folsom.

Lastly, unlike many, I tend not to totally discount teams such as 2009 and 2010 Grant Union that were upset while playing in an abnormally strong playoff field and/or under unusual circumstances. But I digress.

 

[ThunderRam]

@mrbig864

I go back and forth between the 2008 and 2006 team. I tip my hat to the 2008 state team because they won the State Championship. But the 2006 team was violent on defense.

The 2006 v 2008 debate is a great example how it can be hard to compare teams playing under different rules and playoff systems. The 2008 team ended up more 'accomplished' because they won the committees popular vote and were given a chance to advance. Whereas the 2006 team didn't get a shot to play past section. No Regional game existed and the SBG's were limited to 5 divisions. Teams prior to 2006 didn't even get a shot at a SBG to build upon their resume.

I feel that the 2006 team was better than 2008.

“unstoppable”? Um...Are you referring to the same Grant team that benefited from a few questionable flags in squeaking past Granite Bay in the Playoffs? A terrible personal foul call AFTER the play was over moved GB out of game winning FG range, and I believe another flag on the next play pushed them back another 10-15 yards.

I’m not dissing that Grant team, and all the athletes they had. But yes, I think this Folsom team beats them.

I think the 2008 is somewhat overrated. Great team, no doubt, and reached new heights for the SJS. Still the only non-DLS team from NorCal to win an Open State title. But a big part of that was opportunity. Another part was competition.

The reason I say that last part is that I believe the 2009 and 2010 teams were both better than the 2008 team. The 2009 team had to play in 'arguably' the deepest and best bracket ever in the SJS. Their benchmark win on the road against State Champ Bellevue was as good as any the 2008 team had. Their last second loss against Rocklin surely could have gone the other way. While they'll never be known as an all-time team because of it, I still contend they are among them.

Same goes for the 2010 team. We've discussed the injury circumstances of their rematch with Folsom ad naseam so I won't rehash it. But that team was one of the best defensive teams I've seen and had amazing skill talent. I don't believe their offense was as good as the 2009 team since they no longer had Devontae Booker, but the defense and special teams were lights out when full healthy.

In the pantheon of great Grant Union teams, I believe 2009 and 2010 belong with their greatest section title teams of 1996, 2006, 2008. '09 and '10 faced better competition than the '96 and '06 teams did and that needs to be factored in. I also think the '08 team was fortunate to draw LBP over Centennial-Corona in the Open game, who was a better match up for them.

 

[ThunderRam]

One last thing I want to add since this is a thread relevant to this current Folsom team. And that's to congratulate them on what has been a historic season. They are one incredible team. The hiccup against DLS doesn't change that. After all, 98% of CA hasn't been able to beat DLS for the past 27 years. So no shame in that loss. And it was close and competitive enough that they proved themselves IMO.

Tremendous team, no matter where their players originated from. It's been a pleasure watching them the past couple years. And they still have a few of their star players returning next season.

Hope they get the last one against Cathedral and leave no doubt!

 

[BigMann08]

The reason I say that last part is that I believe the 2009 and 2010 teams were both better than the 2008 team. The 2009 team had to play in 'arguably' the deepest and best bracket ever in the SJS. Their benchmark win on the road against State Champ Bellevue was as good as any the 2008 team had. Their last second loss against Rocklin surely could have gone the other way. While they'll never be known as an all-time team because of it, I still contend they are among them.

Same goes for the 2010 team. We've discussed the injury circumstances of their rematch with Folsom ad naseam so I won't rehash it. But that team was one of the best defensive teams I've seen and had amazing skill talent. I don't believe their offense was as good as the 2009 team since they no longer had Devontae Booker, but the defense and special teams were lights out when full healthy.

In the pantheon of great Grant Union teams, I believe 2009 and 2010 belong with their greatest section title teams of 1996, 2006, 2008. '09 and '10 faced better competition than the '96 and '06 teams did and that needs to be factored in. I also think the '08 team was fortunate to draw LBP over Centennial-Corona in the Open game, who was a better match up for them.

The thing that sets 2008 apart from 2009 and 2010 was the QB play. Konesetti was a man among boys. People seem to play him lightly. He was Player of the Year, a terrific leader on offense, and received a scholarship to Arizona State. The 2009 and 2010 teams were loaded, but they didnt have strong QB play. This hurt them both seasons. All three teams had strong defensive units. But 2008 was better on offense. They had a Player of the Year qb, a Pac 12 running back, and a dynamite receiver! Their defense was also very stout.

Their defense was so good, Booker and Konisetti rarely touched that side of the ball. They were also two of the best defenders....

Re: Centennial

Poly was ranked higher than Centennial and had beaten a few nationally ranked teams. Grant would have faired well against Centennial and DLS. They were always prepared to bring Booker and Konisetti over to the Defensive side if needed be...

 

[forgotemail]

If folsom couldn’t block dls what makes you think they could’ve blocked any of those strong pacer teams lol the 2009-2010 grant teams weren’t blockable that’s what makes what rocklin did that much more crazy. Those teams had multiple nfl players those d lines had all d1 players with an army all American on it. This Folsom team is legit but their 2010 team was better the sfl was just stronger that d2 play off field was probably the strongest we will ever see. Plus when all your studs are from Nevada or Elk Grove that kills it a lilttle that 2010 folsom was special I was their biggest fan in the state game

 

[Jfoyosoul]

Is everyone forgetting about the 2014 folsom team..who many of the players on the famed cordova squads and the eg squad all speak in downright admiration and many saying best ever in sjs...the same team without the ngata brothers and bennett and still managed to score 915 points nationally 3rd all time...something this current folsom team has not done...i think this folsom team is possibly def a top 5 sjs section team..but the 14 folsom team had one of the best hs qbs ever in jake browning, had jonah williams at tackle, had a defense unmatched by this squad, and amazing OL..and just executed that year in similar fashion to the way dls does..were ranked top 5 nationally and i could go on...but im proud of this team...and im not sure how anyone keeps denying this years folsom team isnt on par with dls...i would put it at md and sjb tier 1 and then dls and folsom tier 2 and then probably oaks and cent tier 3...this year...now i will say to some posts above...while i am a huge folsom fan...dls has the better DL for sure