Great analysis and i would list 2014 folsom best if not right behind 1975 cordova
Folsom/Central NorCal 1AA
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I do agree with you about Koniseti. Great point. But I still believe '09 and '10 were better teams. Defenses were better and the '09 rush attack was better with the o-line and a more seasoned Booker. The '09 team was situated in a much tougher playoff bracket and still should have won. And had 3 future NFL'ers, 2 of which were at their peak.
For recent years I think grants 2006 team were better nobody was stopping Tim Lang. In regards to folsom 2010 was special Dano Graves is the best folsom qb ever...he was a really good mobile qb and he did it with the same kids he always did it with against better talent that grant team was historically good and big. Folsom has played 1 team with a defense comparable to grants 2010 team and the qb looked horrible and dls didn’t have the secondary that grant had with 2 nfl players...this folsom team is very good I do believe depending on what other players they bring in next years team will be better than this years team
How can you say folsom not on par with dls...im talking this year...in general yes folsom is slightly lower until they beat dls or beat a md or sjb type team..but this years team is equal..again they lost only 14 0 when they almost led 7 0 but bad fumble call and were tied 0 0 most of the game..amd they had 5 turnovers...anyone at game said folsom more than measured up...
I think in general folsom slots below dls but is closing gap but this year on par
Don’t worry about it Jfoy. The vast majority of people on here just ignore comments like that and make up our minds about the relative strength of teams based on how the entire season has played out, and are not influenced by a few posters who either try to hype up or tear down certain teams at every opportunity. DLS and Folsom both had great seasons. Don’t let the noise bother you.
Since DLS beat Folsom on the field, how bad does this fair on Folsom? Lots of athletes on Folsom team but certainly not at the level of the SoCal premium teams this year. Folsom might slip by DLS on Calpreps analytic logarithms but I can't imagine that a team that allows a 14-0 loss or a Central Section team to score 46 points would fair better than a 35-21 loss to either MD or SJB.
Oh Folsom didn't lose or get beaten? You can check in Bethesda any time for a metal health check up. On second thought, maybe you shouldn't - they might commit you on the spot. There is a group you can hide out in; they might accept you if you are not too radically removed from reality - The Flat Earth Society - contact Daniel Shenton sequestered somewhere in Hong Kong.
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He stated best team in last 25 years “around here” what exactly does that mean? Around here? Does that mean around NorCal? SJS? The city of Folsom? What exactly? Because frankly no matter which one of those you choose it’s probably still wrong in many people’s eyes, and some of those people would even be Folsom fans who would look at the 14 team and their perfect record and say that’s the best.
Folsom has 4 great athletes in Bennett, the Ngatas, and Badger. Can someone tell me the other great athletes that I keep hearing this team has.
Congrats Folsom! Impressive win against a good Central team. Go get State!
Two SFL teams playing for state, go Dawgs and Eagles lets light up Cerritos!
Two SFL teams playing for state, go Dawgs and Eagles lets light up Cerritos!
Pretty good for a down year in the SFL
Indeed! I think they had better talent, but were not better teams. 2009 was Booker left, Booker right, Booker up the middle. They were one dimensional on offense. This was because Al didnt know how to utilize the talent that he had. They had more talent than Al knew what to do with. Same with 2010. You put Shaq at QB and and I agree with you! They would easily 3 peated He would have thrown all of the defenses off.
2008 beat 2 state champions and #2 team in the nation. Their secondary wasn't as strong as 2009 and 2010 but they were good enough to stop anybody in the state.
I’ve only seen Folsom play 3-4 times. Chandon Pierre is pretty damn good athlete. Prob their best defensive player. He sat out the DLS game. FCS Level DE
Folsom is well put together I’m curious to see if theyll continue to bring in studs or try to win the old fashion way
I agree, I don't understand the logic behind Ranking a Lower Level 1-AA Bowl Champion over the Open Bowl Runner up... Especially when the Open Runner Up beat the Lower Level 1-AA Bowl Champion on the field and held an Offense that Scored 84 points in a game to 0... To boot, the only team to beat the Open Runner up is the #1 Team in the Country...
So I think logic prevails and the Open Runner up is the #1 Team in Nor Cal and #2 Team in the state... Maybe Bosco would have an argument because they are 1-1 against MD, but other then that, there is no debate due to the results on the field...
This ish is getting quite old. Every year the same ole thing. Okay Folsom fans or followers or bandwagoners alike. Please advocate to Richardson to schedule a few serious big dawgs away from NorCal. CEN10, BOSCO, MISSION VIEJO, BISHOP GORMAN (Nevada), CHANDLER (Arizona), OR BINGHAM (Utah). If you guys schedule two of these teams I'll be your biggest supporter win, lose or draw. I know I'm sick of you guys tough talk just as most are here, so step the pre-season schedule up or shut up!!! DLS and Chaminade were a good start but that should be the norm not the exception or calculated plan. Like I said, I would back you and Folsom's program 100% if they beef up their scheduling. If not, please stop it with you guys are the best SJS team ever. You're not until you surpass those teams schedule in which you haven't. It's past time for your program to reach out to the best of the best. No excuses. Pitt is off the Cen10 schedule, get on it!!! Richards should have gotten on it before the season started. Cen10 is off of Chandlers schedule, get on it!!! These teams have openings. All Folsom has to do is make the call. Don't be pussified and terrified of these top notch programs.
How about neither happens and you just suffer? HTG, when you get on and acknowledge or even agitate specific posters, I have no sympathy for you. It's really not that difficult to hit the ignore button on people that say stupid $hit!
If you believe that this forum is somehow YOUR intellectual property and that YOU can not only dictate the content but in such dictate what it takes to be "pussified", you are a sad human being and sorely mistaken.
I can't and wouldn't speak for Coach Richardson, but as I am lumped in on your tantrum by virtue of my association with Folsom, I will tell you that whatever schedule Coach and the administration works out is just fine with me. I doubt there is, ever was or ever will be anyone associated with the program, coach, player, parent or fan that worries about your opinion.
Folsom had 242 total yards to 202 total for DLS. Folsom also had some huge plays called back on some phantom calls. One 50 or 60 yard play called back after the play was 15 yards past the LOS for not enough players on the LOS.
The blue field gang still trying to replay the game as a win over DLS. Wow.
No Kidding!... It's like if they say it enough it will be true... Unfortunately for them 14-0 is 14-0 and a shut out is a shut out any way you "Spin" it....
This is nothing click on the “DLS” thread he started under another handle. He pretends to be a DLS alum from class of 69 making him almost 70 I figure.
Awesome. He must honestly think we’re just a bunch of mugs. Lol.
That’s why they call it “dope”!
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You're right, I'm the poster that began the talk that Folsom should play someone like Chaminade. Major respect to the Folsom coaching staff on that solid win in SoCal. Now if you know anything about football I'm sure you know scoring 84 points on a team with the caliber of players Central has falls directly on the COACHES terrible game planning. So no, Folsom didn't tear no ones heart out. As a matter of fact, if you give Central players Folsom's coaching staff they score 100 plus pts on Folsom. Central's head coach Biggs models his offense to mirror Richardson's. Smart, but learn DLS defense while you at it. You'll never see me bash Richardson's offensive philosophy but don't get mad because I would like to see him challenge himself. In regards to N. Gwinnett stop with the foolish talk. Folsom might get a phenom or two from the State of Georgia and Nevada every decade. Whereas Gwinnett County and Central have phenoms on their campuses every season and you know it. Just as you know coaching can only go so far when you don't have the horses to match Central's and Gwinnett County type athletes. Who said it was a terrible schedule??? I'm on record saying I respect their preseason schedule. So no need of throwing crap on the wall hoping it will stick. I get your point, you believe Folsom can beat anyone right now. Great, but we won't know that if Richardson doesn't step his game up during the preseason to prove your point. But yeah, I'll be the first to say Folsom is a damn good team and I'll be the first to say their coaching was the difference in the games against Central the past two seasons. Especially last season. And to be honest, Richardson's offense has never been this dangerous and we all know the reason why and so do you. That's why I know if they were the Central coaching staff they would have put up 100 plus points on Folsom and that's not debatable. Enjoy another State title and let's hope their preseason schedule mirrors that of DLS (2017) preseason schedule.
Right on!!! I have mucho respect for the Folsom football program. I think they're the 4th best team in Cali this year behind MD, Bosco and DLS. I truly believe they can beat this years Cen10 program. Just hoping they continue challenging themselves this upcoming preseason. Good luck this weekend and hope they win another state title. But if for some reason they don't you won't see me here bashing them. They'll still be special from my POV. Oh btw, I wouldn't suffer if they don't schedule a solid preseason. That's on them at this point of their coaching careers not me....In life you're judged by the company you keep....In sports you're judged by the competition you compete against. The late great HOF coach Bill Walsh.
I’m don’t think they get by Oaks, Cenn 10, or maybe even Mission V. But either way we never know until they step up and book them
I wouldn’t say Bennett is great, very good maybe, but not great. He makes too many huge mistakes against the best teams! Both Dano Graves and Browning were better Qb’s. Graves was definitely their best dual threat Qb that didn’t make the boneheaded mistakes that Bennett makes. He single handedly threw away the DLS-Folsom game. He accounted for, if I’m not mistaken all 5 of their turnovers. If not 5, it was 4. Dano Grave was a much better passer under pressure, and I feel the better runner as well. He was the reason they lost that game! The refs also cost them two huge plays that would’ve made a huge difference.
In fairness to Bennett he was under a lot of pressure vs DLS and he was taking ALOT of hits, and some hard shots at that. Folsom abandoned their run game a little too early, which subjected him to more punishment. If he wasn’t as mobile as he was, easily would have been double digit sacks
MV maybe, Oaks and Cen10 no way. I’m not sure I would lay my hard earned money on them to beat any of those teams.
You could be right but I really believe they can beat all three. J Serra's quick strike offense which is similar to Folsom quick strike offense gave Oaks Christian fits all night. OC didn't have an answer to JS quick strike screens. And in my opinion Folsom has better athletes and would put more points on OC than JS did. Also, I don't believe OC would have scored over 40 points on Folsom's defense. So though it may be a competitive game to the end I see Folsom winning by 3 scores. Cen10 would score every other series on Folsom. That said, I believe Folsom's offense will score a few more times than CC's offense. Giving them a 10 to 12 point win over CC. Yes we all know anything can happen in a football game and that's the reason why we play the game. If they never play will never know, right...
Okay, read through the whole thread and here's my take.
1. Everyone is going crazy about how Folsom scored 84 on Central. Yeah, that's a lot of points. That said, Bakersfield scored 34 on the Grizzlies. Those same Drillers were held to 7 or less points 3 times this season. Servite beat them 17-7; Sierra Canyon (who plays Liberty this weekend) beat them 31-7; and Liberty (Bakersfield) beat them 7-0 just a couple of weeks before they scored those 34 points. If anyone cared to notice, I had predicted that Folsom would score 70.
2. A few have tried to emphasize how Central scored so much on Folsom. Those who do underestimate how athletic they were. They play a lot like a SoCal team where they spread you out and try to have their athletes beat yours one-on-one. They're very good at that. Again, I predicted they'd score 41 on Folsom. Wasn't all that far off on either prediction.
3. A lot of people go on and on about how Folsom failed to score against De La Salle. The main reason they didn't score was because of a bad call by the officials, not because they weren't able to move the ball at all on the Spartans. Yeah, yeah, yeah... bad calls are a part of the game. I know, but don't try to depict that game as being DLS domination. It wasn't. Also keep in mind that they had all summer to prepare for each other.
4. So many people look at one game result and try to claim that that's how every single game between those teams would go. That's absolutely nonsense. It's truly lazy logic. So much happens between one game to the next, much less one that takes place in week 0 vs week 14. Every time I see people make this argument, it makes me wonder if that person has ever actually followed an entire season of football before. There are so many examples every single year that demonstrate that this logic is a bunch of horse$#!+. Salinas lost to Hollister, then came back to kick their teeth in two weeks later. Palma edged Aptos in the regular season, then got mauled by the Mariners in the playoffs. Hell, Mater Dei got clobbered by St. John Bosco (by a lot more than 14 points) a few weeks before they came back and won the SS D-I title. Fact is, you have no idea what a rematch would look like and no one else does, either.
1. Everyone is going crazy about how Folsom scored 84 on Central. Yeah, that's a lot of points. That said, Bakersfield scored 34 on the Grizzlies. Those same Drillers were held to 7 or less points 3 times this season. Servite beat them 17-7; Sierra Canyon (who plays Liberty this weekend) beat them 31-7; and Liberty (Bakersfield) beat them 7-0 just a couple of weeks before they scored those 34 points. If anyone cared to notice, I had predicted that Folsom would score 70.
2. A few have tried to emphasize how Central scored so much on Folsom. Those who do underestimate how athletic they were. They play a lot like a SoCal team where they spread you out and try to have their athletes beat yours one-on-one. They're very good at that. Again, I predicted they'd score 41 on Folsom. Wasn't all that far off on either prediction.
3. A lot of people go on and on about how Folsom failed to score against De La Salle. The main reason they didn't score was because of a bad call by the officials, not because they weren't able to move the ball at all on the Spartans. Yeah, yeah, yeah... bad calls are a part of the game. I know, but don't try to depict that game as being DLS domination. It wasn't. Also keep in mind that they had all summer to prepare for each other.
4. So many people look at one game result and try to claim that that's how every single game between those teams would go. That's absolutely nonsense. It's truly lazy logic. So much happens between one game to the next, much less one that takes place in week 0 vs week 14. Every time I see people make this argument, it makes me wonder if that person has ever actually followed an entire season of football before. There are so many examples every single year that demonstrate that this logic is a bunch of horse$#!+. Salinas lost to Hollister, then came back to kick their teeth in two weeks later. Palma edged Aptos in the regular season, then got mauled by the Mariners in the playoffs. Hell, Mater Dei got clobbered by St. John Bosco (by a lot more than 14 points) a few weeks before they came back and won the SS D-I title. Fact is, you have no idea what a rematch would look like and no one else does, either.
Hey Cal14 since you're located in the southern part of Cali what's your take on how Folsom would fare against Cen10, Oaks Christian and Mission Viejo? I believe they could beat all three. What would be your score prediction on these matchups? Your input is greatly appreciated.
Seems like a DLS/Fp;om matchup at the end of the year would go the same way as the past three games they have played, especially since DLS QB Hale wouldn't be playing his first varsity game like he was in August vs. Folsom.
The gap between Folsom and DLS was less this year, but next year Folsom has no Joe Ngata and QB Bennett.
The gap between Folsom and DLS was less this year, but next year Folsom has no Joe Ngata and QB Bennett.
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