With the state of California exercising a continuing mask mandate in certain circumstances, does this mean prep athletes will have to wear masks while practicing and competing again? Schools and districts will have some say in the matter but they tend to lean toward masks as their fallback position. Will vaccinations have any bearing on the situation?
Masks again?
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I have wondered that regarding teams and allowing fans in. Hopefully there is clarity soon so its not such a scramble like last season
For fans, vaccine passports would be helpful for in-person attendance. But, apparently, such a logical move is not politically correct. Go figure.
I hope not.
Vaccine passports are a violation of privacy and against HIPPA rules, let alone the Constitution and individual freedom.
Furthermore, study after study show that Covid has absolutely no impact on kids (not any worse than the flu) and masks, social distancing, etc. do not slow the spread...it is just interesting that as kids we were told that fresh air, vitamin d, e. Etc. as well as letting your body develop natural immunity was a great solution to fending off viruses but somehow all that logic went away during covid
CA does not care about the well-being of the kids because they refuse to actually follow the science or change based upon the success of other states such as FL, TX etc. who have done the opposite and the kids can play sports and do kid stuff without restrictions
can't help myself:
hipaa has no bearing on vaccine passports
public health emergencies can override 'freedoms'
to say covid has absolutely no impact on kids is ignorant, and the delta variant is hospitalizing kids
not to mention an asymptomatic kid can kill their unvaccinated relatives
stop comparing covid to the flu
masks and social distancing are scientifically proven to slow spread.
unless one is an epidemiologist or public health specialist, i find it audacious and again, ignorant, that anyone can comment on 'following the science' and whether the scientists and experts are following it... in other words, I like how they know more than the scientist when it comes to science.
I just want the kids to play this year. With vaccines, it is 1000% safe for all involved.
Debatable. First point is the vaccine is still not fully approved. I is under emergency status. The benefit versus risk of giving to young children is not supported by data. Data shows little transmission from children to adults. Let adults get the vaccine and if they don't they have taken responsibility for the risk. Data shows even if new variant results in a small number (very small percentage) of vaccinated getting it, the vast majority have less serious symptoms.
I do not want to burst your bubble but the latest variant, DELTA, of the Covid vaccine has actually attacked a lot more youth than the original Covid vaccine. Until we get a non emergency approved vaccine in use for all from infant to elderly, unfortunately there will always be these recommendations
the emergency status of the vaccine becomes less of an issue as time goes on. It's been 7 months of human trials with little to no adverse effects, vs the lives saved from taking the vaccine.
Kids are being hospitalized at an increasing rate over the past month due to the Delta variant.
And there is no 'data' that show kids don't transmit the virus... that is just false.
as far as vaccine distribution and personal responsibility, from an individual standpoint, if you get sick and didn't get the shot, that's surely on you. But from a society public health standpoint, the longer we let this thing run wild, the higher the chance this thing mutates into something that beats the vaccine. State and federal public health has an obligation to protect society as a whole, which might include making stricter conditions to help prevent the spread of the virus.
and you last sentence would support a 'vaccine passport' for school events. (i'm not for this idea outright, but I am for mandatory 12 and over vaccination to go to school)... the more people protected, the better we all are. If it's not proof of vaccine, then it's masks indoor for all as long as case numbers continue to be high, which Sac, Yolo, and LA counties have already strongly recommended, and I wouldn't be surprised if the school districts adopt that recommendation.
A vaccine passport is not a logical move. Silly talk.
Clinical trials typically last 5-12 years. For good reason. Long terms effects won’t be known in 7 months. Or a year. Or 2 years.
As it stands now, short term side effects are still being discovered. Another J&J side effect in males has recently materialized. There likely will be more to follow among the various vaccines.
Nobody knows anything about potential long term effects.
Again, that’s why clinical trials aren’t completed in 7 months. Or a short year or two.
While these known side effects are far less deadly and widespread than the virus itself, let’s not pretend we know everything after 7 months of the general public receiving the vaccination. There‘s a long windy road ahead and a lot of the story still yet to be written.
While these vaccinations may prove over time to be highly successful — we still don’t know that for sure right now. You might find out 3, 4, 5 or even 10 years from now there were other consequences from it.
Nobody knows enough to know anything right now. Even the amount of lives that have been saved is subjective and debatable.
I truly missed this. I really did. Half yall barely passed AP Bio in 10th grade but all the sudden......
most vaccine trials are less than a year. the main reason they would take longer is financial. As we know, much resources has been put into this vaccine. the covid vaccine passed the first 2 phases with high success... and received EUA to distribution... but phase 3 has been ongoing, with no red flags that would've prevented the vaccine from passing.
The narrative has been, the risk of side effects from the vaccine, given it passed phase 2, combined with ongoing success in phase 3, is orders of magnitude less than the chance of catching covid if not vaccinated.
Phase 3 would be wrapping up right now and receive normal approval for distribution. If you are vaccine hesitant at this point, you have an anti-vax mindset.
um... this is not subjective, and only debatable if you ignore facts.
99% of covid deaths and hospitalizations are unvaccinated people.
I don't know how to insert this meme, so I'll just transcribe it:
Dear Anti-Vaxxers:
If the 600k Americans dead from Covid doesn't concern you, yet somehow the 1200 cases of myocarditis reported after administration of nearly 300 million vaccination doses does: you're not woke, you're just bad at math.
Dear Anti-Vaxxers:
If the 600k Americans dead from Covid doesn't concern you, yet somehow the 1200 cases of myocarditis reported after administration of nearly 300 million vaccination doses does: you're not woke, you're just bad at math.
Once again, I doubt anyone on here will change their opinion on vaccines, masks, etc. Original post was about whether masks will be apart of the upcoming high school season. For now, there hasn't been anything concrete that it will be.
But like everything, what is policy this morning, might not be policy this afternoon
But like everything, what is policy this morning, might not be policy this afternoon
According to CovidActNow.org, there has been a bit of a spike in cases, infection rates, and positive test rates in just the last few days in most Bay Area counties.
Also, a couple of players on Team USA Basketball have had to stay home, and that the Yankees have had enough positives to force a game postponement Friday.
Just a reminder that this virus thingy may be up against the ropes and in trouble, but it's still protecting itself and managing to throw a punch now and again.
Still a good idea to mask up in crowds, and GET VAXXED!
Also, a couple of players on Team USA Basketball have had to stay home, and that the Yankees have had enough positives to force a game postponement Friday.
Just a reminder that this virus thingy may be up against the ropes and in trouble, but it's still protecting itself and managing to throw a punch now and again.
Still a good idea to mask up in crowds, and GET VAXXED!
i was so optimistic 2-3 months ago... and then the vaccination numbers stopped climbing.. and now we see case numbers climbing..and the vaccinations are stagnant...
i'm worried about the next 6-12 months.... this delta variant is going to leave public health depts no choice but to mandate masks indoors (which is already kind of starting to happen, at least in LA it definitely happened)... and if that happens, precedent shows the school districts are going to be more restrictive with sports.
Hopefully, the districts let the leash go a little compared to the spring. I think you can have sports safely with widespread testing and common sense. Also, if the school districts mandate vaccinations like they were hinting, then maybe they will be inclined to not be so restrictive.
In San Mateo County, as of last weekend, 88 percent of people aged 12 and over have received at least one jab. End of the world as we know it? Not.
As I'm sure you are aware, that would be an outlier. If they are 88%, that is great for San Mateo (according to this: https://www.latimes.com/projects/ca...d-19-vaccines-distribution/#county-comparison. San Mateo is 66% fully vaccinated, and 73% one dose, while over half the state is under 50% fully vaxxed) . California is only 63% fully vaxxed, the country is only 49% fully vaxxed, and we will need over 80% to achieve herd immunity, if not more thanks to the Delta variant.
And zero% of 12 and under are vaxxed.
And part of the the Delta variant is that while vaxxed probably won't die or even get sick, it's becoming more apparent we can spread it.
And again, the longer this thing is allowed to hang around, the more likely the next variant will beat the vaccine. Then we would be F'd.
But the simple fact remains, indisputably, case counts are escalating, including in San Mateo county, when with this vaccine, it should be disappearing.
So while it's not the end of the world, it's definitely not the end of the pandemic.
Get vaccinated for christ sakes.
We are. We have been for months. Freedom now. Freedom now. If not now, when?
if you are vaccinated, then I'm not talking to you.
But 'freedom' happens when people stop dying.
Great thing about this country is individual liberties and freedom. If you want to forfeit your right to choose what is right for you, move to a socialist/communist country. Otherwise, stop trying to mandate what others must do with their lives. Before you decide, just remember those marxist country football discussion boards would be plain boring with all the government censorship - say one bad thing about the dictator's QB nephew and off to the gulag for you.
You spew so many half truths and non truths it's somewhat entertaining, but these might be my favorite.
"we will need over 80% to achieve herd immunity, if not more thanks to the Delta variant." The medical community recognizes 70% as achieving herd immunity. there is not a special Delta Variant herd immunity level.
"With vaccines, it is 1000% safe for all involved." There's not a medical professional anywhere that would back this statement.
I'm vaccinated, so is my wife. Our son has his reasons(all medical) for not wanting to be vaccinated, however, as a college athlete he is being coerced in to compliance. Fairly certain that's not the right path to combat this and if there are complications from vaccination it's not going to be good for anyone.
one only needs to read back at this thread to see all of your full falsehoods.
and just to be clear, you are wrong here.
the more contagious a disease is, the more of a need for higher herd immunity. Measles needs over 90% herd immunity to be effectively eradicated. The delta variant is much more contagious than the original virus.
And maybe I use 1000% as a superlative... but the point remains the same. If everyone in the gym is vaccinated, then the chances of any transmission is very close to nil.
1. again, you knowing more than the scientists.
2. the extremely low chance of complications (<1%), as has been borne out over the tens of millions of doses administered, is much better odds than your medically compromised son catching covid and having severe health consequences.
Oh, one more thing: It is highly likely that the Peninsula's 88 percent figure is low when it comes to those 12-and-over currently immune to the disease. That's because an unknown number of residents have already had the virus, survived and are now protected. Many of them don't even realize they had the disease. That includes kids below the age of 12. Fear-mongering, scare headlines and the usual misinformation provided by the ill-informed media make matters worse. Some sort of Old Testament Doomsday is not in the cards. Not even close.
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1. it's not 88%
2. protection from previous infection efficacy is still unknown
3. 600k deaths and counting. and an additional hundreds of thousands with long term health problems.. that is the bottom line.
it's not fear mongering. it's facts. you say stuff like that, it's either denial or ignorance... or both.
i am just wondering if the governor mandates mask again will all the patriots invade sacramento and have a remix of DC in january. lets see if yall really bout that life.
You are correct. It's more than 88 percent for those 12 and over who have had at least one jab. What's more, the figure for those 12 and above who have completed their inoculation regimen is 79 percent. These stunning figures are available to you on the county's covid website. Data rule. Data don't lie.
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Let's cut to the chase. if the Giants and A's, both outdoor sporting entities, can happily permit vaccinated fans to attend their ballgames, the preps should be no different. Masks and other irrelevant restrictions (via science) for them are clearly unnecessary.
The sheriff of L.A. County may lead the insurrection at Gavin Newsom's palatial estate at this point.
I don’t see him enacting it state wide. He has a recall looming, which he will still most likely win. However I’m sure his advisors would much rather let him regulate it to individual counties with the hopes that most do so then the counties can be the bad guys. He’s bungled enough to probably realize let someone else take the fall on this one.
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