Speaking of committee, this is one of the proposals that DLS and I believe Dublin was considering in the spring to try and ensure the NCS sends the best teams possible as NorCal playoff bids. Similar to how the CCS breaks up their playoffs. Whom ever makes the NCS Open, two very good teams’ seasons will end after one playoff game. But that’s another argument for another thread.
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Maybe this is Pitt’s year to take down the Green Machine. If they do, they will have an opportunity to avenge their multiple losses to Liberty/CV. Then maybe next year Pitt can petition the NCS to make it easier to get to a SBG.
So you think CN is better than Pittsburg? I don’t, though I see why you might put them 3/4 with Clayton. But if CN and Pitt played, the Pirates would definitely be favored
Good picks, though SPSV was blown out by Salesian, so I would put Salesian in the 8 spot
By Pitt do you mean anyone in NorCal, specifically the SJS who started all of this when Troy Taylor’s “great” Folsom teams were getting humiliated by DLS? Got it!
Would love to eventually see Newman vs Placer square off. I think that would be a battle.
Newman can play with just about anybody in Norcal this year. (with exception of folsom/dls)
They were a few unlucky plays from scaring the daylights out of a great Liberty team. Probably would be a 2 + score underdog against Pitt though.
I think CN beats Placer,rather see them play Central Catholic
They have Placer at #2 in SJS. They have Pitt ahead of Clayton Valley in the NCS, even though CV has the head-to-head win, and an 8-1 record, vs Pitt at 6-3. Go figure? It’s absurd.
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Norcalpreps has never given much credit to newman either. Most years leaves them out of polls until they are 10-1. They would be the 2nd best team in the SFL this year with a 28 person roster.
Pitt also has wins over Serra, St Mary’s and Freedom. Has CVC beaten anyone better than those 3 outside of Pitt?
Our rankings are a compilation of resume and who we think is better which is one of the reasons we have Pitt higher than CVC and have Placer higher than most anyone. I thunk Placer could beat anyone in the Section outside of Folsom.
I think we have been pretty fair to CN especially on the football side. I will admit we have been late in the past on some other North Bay teams in football and other sports but I don’t think CN football fits the bill.
Has anyone seen Eureka this season? We don't get much coverage in that area and by the time you see them it could be too late. They've had a few legit teams over the years. Maybe someone in the Northern Section on this board has seen them this season?
So Freedom is a significant win for Pitt, but when an EBAL team (Cal) beats them handily at Freedom, it’s just a 4th place team? Don’t get me wrong I love Pitt, but Freedom’s either a good win or it isn’t. I think it’s a bigger win for Cal than it was Pitt, because Pitt was heavily favored and Cal was a road dog.
I would agree in part. You have given CN visibility but in admittedly over looking other North Bay teams you inherently discount the wins on their resume. Antioch and Freedom have been inconsistent at best and yet they are ranked ahead of a Newman team that has shown both more consistency and better showing against their lone common opponent Liberty.
I agree, for Cal it’s a bigger win. No question about Serra and SMS though. I think the moral of this story is let’s inject a little common sense with the head to head wins by Clayton and Liberty.
In fact, yes, it’s a reach to call it a significant win for Pitt.But Pitt has those two better wins plus a tougher non league schedule. But head to head is head to head.
Over the years Rancho and Newman have more than held their own against Norcal Comp. I don't see that changing anytime soon. I have the luxury of seeing a lot of good football in the SFL and I would say school size and obviously roster size play a big part. If some of these NBL kids played in that conference they would have multiple offers. The lack of competition in the NBL hurts them in terms of exposure. Look at a kid like Chauncey Leberthon from Newman. 6"2+ 190. Great size and speed. He's a D1 WR/punt returner in the SFL. He will get some looks this year (might have some already). Hopefully a few of these kids get some attention in the the playoffs when all eyes are on.
Then there’s other schools, who under the same considerations should probably be ranked higher. For instance, take Valley Christian. They are 6-2, with their losses coming to 9-0 Wilcox by 4 points, and St. Francis (7-1) by 4 points. Very close games with highly ranked teams. VC took it to Serra 37-6, where Pitt’s win over Serra was 45-35. Some could say VC should be ranked higher than Pitt based on these criteria, but NCP has VC ranked 7 spots lower.
Also, I like Placer and their program. They are stringing together a couple good years, but they haven’t played competition at a high level, last year or this year. The toughest team they played was at sbg last year and they lost. None of their other competition has a calpreps rating higher than 27. Now, they may be a team who could beat higher level competition, but they haven’t. Nor are they likely to for the rest of the year, except maybe one game in the sjs section final. To rank them above teams such as del oro, central catholic, monterey trail, st. Marys, and Inderkum is an unjustified leap of faith in my opinion, and an insult to those mentioned teams, who have proven themselves on the field against tougher competition.
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as a CN guy I think Streak One has been fair in both Basketball(M/F) and Football.
Good points in this post.But I’m wary of comparing scores and daisy chaining, with your VC and Pitt examples. That’s why it’s important to actually watch games and grasp how teams scored, the circumstances, that they scored under(ie subs in, outcome decided already). Sometimes a final score can be pretty cosmetic at the end thanks to a couple garbage time scores.Final score may not indicate which team was in control of a game.
Pitt led that game 45-21 fwiw, Serra scored the last 14 points to end up with a 45-35 final. That’s the point I’m making
Still games to be played today, but this is the way I see it playing out:
Open:
1 - DLS
2 - Liberty
3 - CVC
4 - Antioch/Pitt winner
D1:
How they set up the top 4 is going to be fascinating... If Pitt wins today, you'll have Antioch (beat Cal (and CVC), lost to Freedom), MV (beat Cal, lost to SRV), Cal (beat Freedom and SRV, lost to Antioch and MV), Freedom (beat Antioch and SRV, lost to Cal) and SRV (beat MV, lost to Cal and Freedom). No matter how they seed them, somebody's going to be pissed that they're behind a team they beat. So here's my prediction:
1 - Antioch/Pitt loser
2 - California
3 - Monte Vista (losing in the regular season finale to a lower team has to count for something)
4 - Freedom
5 - SRV
6 - Amador Valley
7 - Vintage
8 - San Leandro
9 - Logan
10 - Dougherty Valley
The final comes down to any of those top 5 seeds, and as I said above, any of them are capable of winning it all.
D2:
Still think BOD's win over MV as well as them playing a more challenging schedule (DLS, St. Mary's) gets them the nod for the top seed. Could easily be wrong, and Rancho sure didn't play cupcakes.
1 - BOD
2 - Rancho
3 - Campo (way tougher non-conference schedule than Granada)
4 - Granada (no reason to play Irvington and Newark in preseason)
5 - Marin Catholic
6 - Ukiah (based on the way the committee always gives Redwood Empire teams the benefit of the doubt)
7 - Benicia
8 - Montgomery (head to head wins over Carillo and Santa Rosa)
9 - Carillo (head to head win over Santa Rosa)
10 - Santa Rosa
11 - American Canyon (only win over a winning team is Petaluma)
12 - Hayward
13 - Alhambra (head to head win over Livermore)
14 - Livermore
15 - Redwood
16 - Casa Grande
(playoff eligible Concord, Bethel and Vallejo are all left out)
I think this sets up well for a helluva semifinals (Granada at BOD, Campo at Rancho). I think BOD beats Rancho for the title.
D3:
Five league winners in the top 6, but the seedings seem pretty obvious. Also, Acalanes isn't eligible (under .500 in every category)
1 - Cardinal Newman
2 - Eureka
3 - Las Lomas
4 - El Cerrito
5 - Miramonte (WAY tougher schedule than PV, who's playing in the Tri-County B league)
6 - Pinole Valley
7 - Encinal
8 - DeAnza
9 - Tennyson (may be 8 seed, but probably hosts regardless of seed b/c they're a league winner)
10 - Petaluma
11 - Alameda (lost head to head with Tennyson, but could also get the designated league title & home game, though not vs. PV)
12 - Tam
13 - Kennedy (Fremont)
14 - Newark
15 - Piner
You can probably write the CN/Eureka final in in pen
D4:
1 - Moreau
2 - Kennedy
3 - St. Bernard/Del Norte winner
4 - St. Bernard/Del Norte loser
5 - San Marin
6 - Fortuna
7 - SPSV
8 - Piedmont (dinged for losing vs. awful Castro Valley in the season finale, avoids an SPSV/Moreau rematch in round 2)
9 - St. Mary's
10 - Drake
11 - Lower Lake (head to head win over El Mo)
12 - El Molino (head to head win over Sonoma Valley)
13 - Sonoma Valley (head to head win over Justin Siena)
14 - Justin Siena
15 - Albany
Sneaking suspicion that Del Norte takes out Kennedy to take on Moreau in the finale
D5:
Don't follow it enough to do a full set of seedings, but I predict the finale is Salesian vs. Stellar Prep.
Now you're just trolling. BOD barely beat San Leandro and seemed like they were in a football game last night vs Encinal while Rancho was bringing the hammer down on Ukiah. So getting beat up by DLS is something to be proud of? St Mary's also isn't St Mary's this season. They beat MV with a last second late FG. Congrats to BOD for their 2-3-4 whatever seed.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯ I guess we'll see tomorrow. It's not like I didn't say I could easily be wrong, but BOD's win against MV > Rancho's win over Campo. If BOD plays Rancho's schedule, they likely also go 9-1, whereas I don't think Rancho beats DLS, St. Mary's or MV. If they get the top 2 seeds like I think they will, it won't likely matter, since the finale will be at a neutral site.
42-10 Pitt w/ about 5 minutes left. I think that cements Pitt to the Open, but no way they avoid the 4 seed. I don't envy the committee sorting out those top seeds in D1. Gonna be tough to put a team that got blown out in as the top seed. Then again, this Open system has pretty much made D1 the NIT, so it's probably not worth fretting about.
Not so fast my friend. Read whats trending in tweets. Galli's lobbying for #3 seed for exactly same reasons I posted plus more. And that Pitt rout of Antioch today pretty much gives Galli a very strong argument. It comes down to strength of schedule. As was pointed out earlier here, who were the big names CVC played with? Just two, Pitt and Antioch. One they won in double OT in 1st preseason game 38-31 and the other tipped them 35-34 for a loss but was just routed 42-10 by the one they won over. They say it wont matter. Yes it does. Because Pitt played tougher guys while losing to Centen who could beat anyone in Norcal- they even beat DLS at state at the start- and losing to Liberty by a hairline 24-21, and winning over Serra, St Mary's, Antioch and Vacaville.
He can lobby all he wants. Head to head is the single most common tiebreaker used. When the committee is sitting there trying to seed CVC vs. Pitt, somebody's going to say "wait, didn't they play?" And then somebody's going to point out that CVC beat Pitt. Done and done.
CVC beat Pitt on the field. ‘Nuff said. All the other stuff in your 11th hour prayer is secondary. Btw, Serra, St Marys, antioch and vacaville are all having relatively weaker years. Doesnt matter that u played cc and lost. Big deal. I mean its good to schedule like that, but cant be used as an argument over cvc when u lose. All this rationalizing of yours doesnt negate the primary fact pitt lost to cvc. I dont blame u for trying tho. But if ur willing to schedule and play Centennial Corona, u shouldnt be afraid to also play DLS, right?
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Records, league championships, head to head and SOS are all big factors. CVC has 3 of 4 in their favor.
Plus CVC has been the 4 seed the past 2 years and taken their medicine. If they get put at the 4 seed this year after beating Pitt head to head, being a league champ (albeit a weak league), and having a better record than Pitt, a strong argument could be made that they got screwed. That would be a shocking development, regardless of who might be tweeting what.
Plus CVC has been the 4 seed the past 2 years and taken their medicine. If they get put at the 4 seed this year after beating Pitt head to head, being a league champ (albeit a weak league), and having a better record than Pitt, a strong argument could be made that they got screwed. That would be a shocking development, regardless of who might be tweeting what.
You may have a better chance of arguing for DLS to get the #2 seed.
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