In checking MaxPreps today Eureka has dropped to 7th after a loss to Arcata with Clayton Valley moving to 6th and O'dowd at 8th. I still think O'dowd gets the 6th spot if they beat Oakland Tech on Thursday, but with MaxPreps rankings who knows.
NCS OPEN, D1, D2
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Does the Diablo League(Acalanes and CVC) have League playoffs? Potential loss for CVC that could drop them out of the 6 spot.
Same with BOD...does their league have a league playoff with another h2h matchup with Piedmont looming then?
One would assume how those 2 league playoffs matchups playout would decide the 6 spot.
2 losses to Arcata now for Eureka... Im thinking D1 and BEHIND Arcata in the seedings. Soooo..maybe 5 seed? Gonna find out with Eureka just how beholden to MP the commitee is...
Same with BOD...does their league have a league playoff with another h2h matchup with Piedmont looming then?
One would assume how those 2 league playoffs matchups playout would decide the 6 spot.
2 losses to Arcata now for Eureka... Im thinking D1 and BEHIND Arcata in the seedings. Soooo..maybe 5 seed? Gonna find out with Eureka just how beholden to MP the commitee is...
I know the DAL has playoffs and I'm pretty sure the O'Dowd league does too.
But losing to Acalanes might not affect the rankings as much as BOD or Piedmont losing to the other.
But losing to Acalanes might not affect the rankings as much as BOD or Piedmont losing to the other.
As of today...
CVC 6 (NCS) / 57 (in state)
Eureka 7/58
BOD 8/67
That's telling me that if Eureka wins their league playoffs...a BIG if as they have lost TWICE to Arcata already and CVC loses to Acalanes, that Eureka still could sneak into that 6 spot...BOD (67) with another win over Piedmont might not be able to make up that ground.
I dont know if the "league champion" status in Eureka"s league is for regular season champion or league playoff champion. If it's for regular season champion (Arcata) then the 3 seed won't have to go to Eureka for that game.
Very interesting stuff!
O'Dowd league does not have playoffs so they will not play Piedmont again. As we don't know what goes into MaxPreps rankings I wonder how much a lost to Acalanes would hurt Clayton Valley in the algorithm as it would be considered a quality lost. I think that even if Eureka wins their league the best win between the final three would be if O'Dowd's beats Tech which should move them up, but don't know if it would be enough.
If no league playoff...does anyone know who is considered the "league champ" if BOD and Piedmont tie?
CN will be league champ so if that is the 4/5 the game its at CN regardless.
If CLET is the 3? Then that BOD (at 6) scenario could mean CLET at BOD.(if BOD is designated as league champ)
One would think..hope? that common sense would prevail (yeah right) and that no matter what happens that either CVC or BOD would get placed as the 6 seed.
But based on football and San Marin getting thrown into the OPEN as the 8 to face DLS tells me common sense is dead.
But based on football and San Marin getting thrown into the OPEN as the 8 to face DLS tells me common sense is dead.
Honestly BOD with THREE D1 girls they are the common sense 6.
Before the season started 1 could make the case that BOD was the best team returning in the NCS...
Before the season started 1 could make the case that BOD was the best team returning in the NCS...
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Last season Piedmont and O’Dowd tied with Piedmont being designated the league champion. I have no clue how they came to that conclusion or how it will impact this year.
It does appear that even if Carondelet were to win the EBAL playoff, and SRV becomes the #3 seed, SRV as the regular season champion would get the designated home game status.
From the EBAL bulletin:
1. The regular season champion will receive NCS automatic #1
MP Algorithm please explain this to us. Arcata just beat Eureka H2H TWICE and latest ranking still has Eureka above Arcata??
And the other 2 losses by Eureka were to St. Bernard's (25-1 #13) and San Marin (20-6 #19) both ranked below them in NCS..
Not sure I can trust the "algorithm".
| 8 | Eureka | 18-4-0 | 23.62 | 12.3 |
| 9 |
| 23-2-0 | 23.20 | 8.0 |
| 10 | 
| 18-8-0 | 23.15 | 16.7 |
| 11 | 
| 17-9-0 | 23.02 | 17.6 |
| 12 | 
| 17-6-0 | 22.64 | 14.3 |
And the other 2 losses by Eureka were to St. Bernard's (25-1 #13) and San Marin (20-6 #19) both ranked below them in NCS..
Not sure I can trust the "algorithm".
I guess the algorithm at MaxPreps has been listening to us because O'dowd is now the ranked 6th with CVC at 7th and Eureka at 8th. I have zero clue what changed except Piedmont did beat Antelope which raised their rating that could have led to O'dowd moving up as they have beaten them earlier in the season..
I was mistaken... Myella Chapman she's a sophomore (2027) and has offers from Ohio State, Michigan, Utah, Florida State, UW, Arizona & Cal among others...
Im not sure what she is ranked in her class...but she's no joke.
It looks like MP is updating the rankings EVERY DAY! So that's good....
Here's how it stands as of now:
OPEN:
1. Acalanes
2. SRV
3. CLET
4. CN
5. Piedmont
6. BOD #60 state
1, 4 AND 5 look locked in...
2 & 3 have a potential League playoff matchup looming on Saturday assuming both win tonight.
6. Read below after D1
D1:
1. CVC #61 state
2. Eureka #62 state
3. Calif
4. Arcata
5. Redwood
6. Dublin
7. Northgate
8. San Marin
9. Alameda
10. Freedom
11.Miramonte
12. Wash
13. Montgomery
14. American
15. Maria Carrillo
16. Pinole Valley
The 6 seed in the Open is still up for grabs as is the 1-4 seeds in D1 with league playoffs looming tonight thru Saturday.
BOD #60 in state still plays O Tech
CVC #61 has league playoffs with Acalanes looming
Eureka #62 has playoffs also with both Arcata and St Bernard's looming.
Calif #71 plays CLET tonight.
So with all the teams so close in the MP rankings there is potential for big swings between the 6 seed Open(BOD) all the way down to the 4 seed D1 (Arcata)
D2:
1. Justin Siena
2.Salesian
3. Marin Catholic
4. Moreau Catholic
5. University
6. McKinleyville
7. Campo
8. Ukiah
9. Alhambra
10. Lick Wilmerding
11. Mt Diablo
12.Heritage
13. Healdsburg
14. SMB
15. American Canyon
16. Middletown
Here's how it stands as of now:
OPEN:
1. Acalanes
2. SRV
3. CLET
4. CN
5. Piedmont
6. BOD #60 state
1, 4 AND 5 look locked in...
2 & 3 have a potential League playoff matchup looming on Saturday assuming both win tonight.
6. Read below after D1
D1:
1. CVC #61 state
2. Eureka #62 state
3. Calif
4. Arcata
5. Redwood
6. Dublin
7. Northgate
8. San Marin
9. Alameda
10. Freedom
11.Miramonte
12. Wash
13. Montgomery
14. American
15. Maria Carrillo
16. Pinole Valley
The 6 seed in the Open is still up for grabs as is the 1-4 seeds in D1 with league playoffs looming tonight thru Saturday.
BOD #60 in state still plays O Tech
CVC #61 has league playoffs with Acalanes looming
Eureka #62 has playoffs also with both Arcata and St Bernard's looming.
Calif #71 plays CLET tonight.
So with all the teams so close in the MP rankings there is potential for big swings between the 6 seed Open(BOD) all the way down to the 4 seed D1 (Arcata)
D2:
1. Justin Siena
2.Salesian
3. Marin Catholic
4. Moreau Catholic
5. University
6. McKinleyville
7. Campo
8. Ukiah
9. Alhambra
10. Lick Wilmerding
11. Mt Diablo
12.Heritage
13. Healdsburg
14. SMB
15. American Canyon
16. Middletown
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Cvc up to 6!
Salesian makes a huge jump to 7!
BOD down to 8...
Cvc plays Acalanes tonight
Salesian plays Pinole Valley.
From out of no-where does Salesian pass CVC for the 6 spot with a win and CVC loss???
SRV vs CLET tonight to decide the 2/3 and crazily there's a real chance that no matter who wins 10 days from now they play each other again in the 2 v 3 2nd round with the 2 sitting for 10 days! Dare I say? It might be an advantage to be the 3 seed in that (3rd time play each other) matchup and get that 3 v 6 game under their belt rather than sit for 10 days???
Wow! Still so much left to decide based on tonight's games!
Salesian makes a huge jump to 7!
BOD down to 8...
Cvc plays Acalanes tonight
Salesian plays Pinole Valley.
From out of no-where does Salesian pass CVC for the 6 spot with a win and CVC loss???
SRV vs CLET tonight to decide the 2/3 and crazily there's a real chance that no matter who wins 10 days from now they play each other again in the 2 v 3 2nd round with the 2 sitting for 10 days! Dare I say? It might be an advantage to be the 3 seed in that (3rd time play each other) matchup and get that 3 v 6 game under their belt rather than sit for 10 days???
Wow! Still so much left to decide based on tonight's games!
I am very curious to see how that 6th seed plays out. How does the MaxPreps algorithm look at a CVC loss to Acalanes compared to a Salesian win over lower ranked Pinole Valley team. Also, this is another good example how NCS should mix in a human element as well as both CVC and O'dowd beat Salesian by 20 plus in their match ups.
I agree....BUT...once again based on the football seedings....
San Marin got the 8 seed in the OPEN after going 2-3 in their league including losing to Vintage the 2nd to last game of league.
San Marin 8 seed Open..
Vintage 8 seed D2
It was STRAIGHT by MP...
They are locked in to six teams. They only have so many NorCal berths.
As for the rankings changing, one game generally doesn't move the numbers that much. If it stays like this, Damian Young, who was an assistant at Carondelet and Miramonte with Kelly Sopak, will face his old boss in the first round.
As for the rankings changing, one game generally doesn't move the numbers that much. If it stays like this, Damian Young, who was an assistant at Carondelet and Miramonte with Kelly Sopak, will face his old boss in the first round.
I would generally agree that 1 loss doesn't change the numbers that much but BODs loss to OT dropped them from 6 to 8...
CVC # 6 /57 (state) 21-6
SALESIAN #7/64 19-8
CVC 21-7 with a loss today vs Acalanes..
Salesian 20-8 with a win today vs PV and a currently 1.1 higher SOS.(although 1 would assume a game vs Acalanes would raise CVC SOS).
So the question becomes does a CVC loss to Acalanes drop them enough for a Salesian win over PV to move them ahead of CVC?
And honestly.... the committee should just throw the MP ranking for 6 out the window anyhow and just put BOD there who has a split with Piedmont and has a 20 pt win over Salesian.
Are you saying a former East Bay public school coach who's now the commissioner would give a seedings break to an East Bay public school over a private or North Bay school?
Naw....that would never happen...
Oh wait....
And look at that..updated MP rankings and Salesian is now the 6!
Out of nowhere!
So...
1. ACALANES
2. SRV
3. CLET
4. CN
5. PIEDMONT
6. SALESIAN (Who has 20 pt. losses to the 2 teams behind them in the rankings..CVC and BOD)
We are about to find out if the committee is actually going to do their job or just take the cowards way out and go by MP.
Out of nowhere!
So...
1. ACALANES
2. SRV
3. CLET
4. CN
5. PIEDMONT
6. SALESIAN (Who has 20 pt. losses to the 2 teams behind them in the rankings..CVC and BOD)
We are about to find out if the committee is actually going to do their job or just take the cowards way out and go by MP.
And there you have it, Salesian #6. The problem is Bishop O'Dowd has only had 23 contacts when the maximum is 26(not including league tournaments). O'Dowd has a 67-47 win over Salesian 3 weeks ago. I am not a GURU but my guess is the maxpreps ratings formula does include total games played. Head to head contacts was always the first criteria. When completing play-off applications coaches spend hours dissecting schedules to rank teams where they belong in all divisions. There are plenty of people like northbayguru and myself that would be willing to sit on a committee to make this fair and accurate. It is unfortunate that the NCS is 1) lazy and 2) crooked.
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Salesian will be the sixth seed. They've made that clear.
As for Bishop O'Dowd, not playing those three games was crucial. Wins count for a lot in the MP algorithm. That could come back to haunt BOD, because the Dragons are not guaranteed to get in the top three in Division 1 and move on to NorCals. And even then they will be seeded lower than any of the Open teams. I don't understand why O'Dowd didn't play all the games they could have played.
As for a committee, that's what they have. We'll see how the seedings go but clearly CIF is committed to using MaxPreps to decide which teams go in which brackets.
Finally, for a head-to-head match, I'm of two minds. A 20-point win is pretty definitive, but it's just one night. Is one night more indicative of which team is the better team than a whole season's results?
As for Bishop O'Dowd, not playing those three games was crucial. Wins count for a lot in the MP algorithm. That could come back to haunt BOD, because the Dragons are not guaranteed to get in the top three in Division 1 and move on to NorCals. And even then they will be seeded lower than any of the Open teams. I don't understand why O'Dowd didn't play all the games they could have played.
As for a committee, that's what they have. We'll see how the seedings go but clearly CIF is committed to using MaxPreps to decide which teams go in which brackets.
Finally, for a head-to-head match, I'm of two minds. A 20-point win is pretty definitive, but it's just one night. Is one night more indicative of which team is the better team than a whole season's results?
I understand that NCS gets so many births for Nor Cal, but at the same time there should be 8 teams in the open division if the goal of this is competitive equity. The talent gap between the top 8/9 teams and the rest of the teams in NCS is so huge that D1 is not going to be competitive with a team like O'dowd in D1.
I need someone to explain Eureka’s ranking. Lost to Arcata twice. Best win is against a Northern Section team with an inflated record vs rural teams. They also lost to San Marin. How are they still ahead of Arcata?
Two more losses. One less win. The algorithm loves wins. (That's why O'Dowd is behind Salesian.)
Ideas;
*Can go up 3 divisions but only down 1-2
Or
*multiply private school enrollment by 1.5
*12 seed brackets with byes
Give the coaches some information as to how the power rating works. Eliminate the guessing game.
*Can go up 3 divisions but only down 1-2
Or
*multiply private school enrollment by 1.5
*12 seed brackets with byes
Give the coaches some information as to how the power rating works. Eliminate the guessing game.
We had a better system!
Enrollment based....
Like the rest of the country does 🤷
Keep the 8 team OPEN to pull the big dawgs out for the State Playoffs.
That worked well IMO
The more they "attempt to fix it" the more they screw it up.
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