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Pretty honest take at De La Salle program

I can sum up where the landscape is at.

The big boys of SoCal got tired of losing to the fundamentally sound, less talented Spartans thus decided to ramp up their recruiting efforts to the point that the talent disparity was vast enough so that even their coaches couldn't blow it. Mission accomplished 2 years ago and continuing.

In all seriousness, it wasn't all because of DLS. Bishop Gorman's talent infusion and subsequent dominance had a lot to do with it too.
 
ThunderRam said:
I can sum up where the landscape is at.

The big boys of SoCal got tired of losing to the fundamentally sound, less talented Spartans thus decided to ramp up their recruiting efforts to the point that the talent disparity was vast enough so that even their coaches couldn't blow it. Mission accomplished 2 years ago and continuing.

In all seriousness, it wasn't all because of DLS. Bishop Gorman's talent infusion and subsequent dominance had a lot to do with it too.
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Your DLS superiority complex is funny. Socal teams and coaches didn’t collectively decide to build super teams because of DLS dominance. That is about the most ridiculous stance I have read on these boards. They have built these teams to compete in the southern section the SBG was a after thought for most programs down south, winning that southern title was more important in all reality. DLS was not the driving force behind this.
 
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Truthhertz said:
Your DLS superiority complex is funny. Socal teams and coaches didn’t collectively decide to build super teams because of DLS dominance. That is about the most ridiculous stance I have read on these boards. They have built these teams to compete in the southern section the SBG was a after thought for most programs down south, winning that southern title was more important in all reality. DLS was not the driving force behind this.
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Spot on. Talk to most of the kids who have won a Southern Section Championship, and they tell you they value it more than a SBG victory.
 
DLS early success in the state games caused MD and Bosco to step up their game. It's obvious that MD and Bosco are tapping in to the top flight pop Warner scene in SoCal. That's all it took for them to beat DLS. The same thing can happen in cities like Sac, Stockton, San Jose, Oakland, and San Diego...

MD and Bosco upped the ante....

St.Marys, Capital, and others can beat DLS if they use SJB and MDs formula...
 
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BigMann08 said:
DLS early success in the state games caused MD and Bosco to step up their game. It's obvious that MD and Bosco are tapping in to the top flight pop Warner scene in SoCal. That's all it took for them to beat DLS. The same thing can happen in cities like Sac, Stockton, San Jose, Oakland, and San Diego...

MD and Bosco upped the ante.....
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Careful, this unpopular truth will have you accused of having a DLS superiority complex even though you aren’t a DLS or NCS guy.....
 
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They have built these teams to compete in the southern section the SBG was a after thought for most programs down south, winning that southern title was more important in all reality. DLS was not the driving force behind this.
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I wonder why it took until just a few years ago for it all to finally come together after years of getting curb stomped by BG and DLS?

Yeah, I’m sure it’s just a coincidence and both SJB and MD we’re just biding their time all these years.

Ignorance is bliss.
 
RedZone90 said:
Spot on. Talk to most of the kids who have won a Southern Section Championship, and they tell you they value it more than a SBG victory.
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I can see it. Most of them grow up playing youth football together, go to elementary school together, etc. The Southern Section has always been competitive and you sharpen iron with iron. We all get that.

I may be wrong but I would assume that perhaps almost as big as winning a SS Title would be beating De La Salle. Their ownership of schools like Poly, Mater Dei and Servite over the years I'm sure irritated more than a handful of people. Most people tell from Southern California tell me Bosco wasn't shit until Coach Negro showed up. We all know Centennial's ascendance in Southern California has only happened in the SBG era. And up until Mater Dei beat DLS last season they had completely owned match ups against traditional So-Cal powers.
 
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[QUOTE="ThunderRam, post: 219880, member: 960"]I wonder why it took until just a few years ago for it all to finally come together after years of getting curb stomped by BG and DLS?

Yeah, I’m sure it’s just a coincidence and both SJB and MD we’re just biding their time all these years.

Ignorance is bliss.[/QUOTE]

Because in 2015 the Southern Section put all of its best teams in one playoff bracket.
 
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BigMann08 said:
DLS early success in the state games caused MD and Bosco to step up their game. It's obvious that MD and Bosco are tapping in to the top flight pop Warner scene in SoCal. That's all it took for them to beat DLS. The same thing can happen in cities like Sac, Stockton, San Jose, Oakland, and San Diego...

MD and Bosco upped the ante....

St.Marys, Capital, and others can beat DLS if they use SJB and MDs formula...
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What's their formula? I'm curious to know.
 
ThunderRam said:
What’s actually funny is you wrongly assuming that I’m a DLS fan. But thanks for playing along!
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Don’t know who your actual team is but you’re a NorCal fan right? So in general when NorCal fans aren’t crying about DLS and how unfair it is they have to play them. They flip to the other side of the coin and they are the driving force behind everything. It goes from a superiority complex over DLS to the inferiority complex all of NorCal football has in terms of Socal football. So yes by proxy your love of NorCal football and it’s inherent inferiority towards Socal has made you a DLS fan on this topic.
 
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SPortela24 said:
I can see it. Most of them grow up playing youth football together, go to elementary school together, etc. The Southern Section has always been competitive and you sharpen iron with iron. We all get that.

I may be wrong but I would assume that perhaps almost as big as winning a SS Title would be beating De La Salle. Their ownership of schools like Poly, Mater Dei and Servite over the years I'm sure irritated more than a handful of people. Most people tell from Southern California tell me Bosco wasn't shit until Coach Negro showed up. We all know Centennial's ascendance in Southern California has only happened in the SBG era. And up until Mater Dei beat DLS last season they had completely owned match ups against traditional So-Cal powers.
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Bosco = True statement .
Cen10 was ascending prior to the SBG era . Logan has won league almost every year since '94, and CIF since 2000. Cen10 did beat DLS once and has generally put up very competitive games vs DLS. Cen10 has much respect for DLS. And...Cen10 has beaten SJB several times in recent years ( something DLS can't say).
 
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RedZone90 said:
Spot on. Talk to most of the kids who have won a Southern Section Championship, and they tell you they value it more than a SBG victory.
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And you think we have a superiority complex? Stop with all the "we only care about SS titles" nonsense. That's just smoke filled, coffee house crap. If it were remotely true, there would be no need to schedule the likes of IMG, BG, Don Bosco, SJR, etc. because MD, SJB, and CC were already elite SoCal powers competing for Section Titles w/o those games.

This recent steroid infusion of transfer talent is because they want to compete at a National level and win Mythical Nat'l titles. Pure and simple. And the best way to do that is to win at least 1 game against BG or some other OOS power then beat DLS in the SBG. So they've been loading up in an attempt to beat those 2 teams. It really ramped up once BG began taking talent from their own backyard and beating them with it.

I have no doubt that a SS title is important. But it's no longer the most important thing. Actions do speak louder than words.
 
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SPortela24 said:
I may be wrong but I would assume that perhaps almost as big as winning a SS Title would be beating De La Salle. Their ownership of schools like Poly, Mater Dei and Servite over the years I'm sure irritated more than a handful of people. Most people tell from Southern California tell me Bosco wasn't shit until Coach Negro showed up. We all know Centennial's ascendance in Southern California has only happened in the SBG era. And up until Mater Dei beat DLS last season they had completely owned match ups against traditional So-Cal powers.
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The reality in terms of this statement is DLS yes is a machine, yes they have had success against many of Socals top teams. The reason behind that success is many things, discipline, brand of football they play etc. But to confuse that success with it being what drives what’s happening in Socal is ignorant. You drop DLS in heart of Socal run that system and nobody shows up and they don’t have that same success. It works here because programs are few are far between.
 
There is one reason and one reason only for the super teams in the south and his name is Jason Negro.He coached pop warner for many years in SoCal and has many connections in that area.Before he became coach at SJB they were not a good football school at all.One poster in particular named Steeler on the national board proclaimed at the time of his hiring that SJB would become a power because of his youth football connections and he was right.

Now everyone else is playing catch-up which MD has accomplished
 
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ThunderRam said:
And you think we have a superiority complex? Stop.....So they've been loading up in an attempt to beat those 2 teams. It really ramped up once BG began taking talent from their own backyard and beating them with it.
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So when other schools duplicate the leverage deLa has enjoyed (it’s called poaching, not recruiting to the informed) that’s an issue?
 
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Truthhertz said:
Read follow up comment, the overall complex most NorCal football fans have isn’t superiority. It’s boardline pathetic.
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Good thing you don't have to come to this board to be subjected to it then, right? Your choice.

Gotta love SBG time of year! The SoCal elitists come out in full force pronouncing how irrelevant NorCal is and how much their SoCal teams only care about winning SS titles --- yet they do all this while actively seeking out a NorCal site they pretend to not care about and during a week they pretend is less important than last week. Go figure. I thought they'd all be hung over on vacation somewhere celebrating their SS titles.

What a fun-filled week it will be here!
 
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Good thing you don't have to come to this board to be subjected to it then, right? Your choice.

Gotta love SBG time of year! The SoCal elitists come out in full force pronouncing how irrelevant NorCal is and how much their SoCal teams only care about winning SS titles --- yet they do all this while actively seeking out a NorCal site they pretend to not care about and during a week they pretend is less important than last week. Go figure. I thought they'd all be hung over on vacation somewhere celebrating their SS titles.

What a fun-filled week it will be here!
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A little over the top, aren't you? Nobody said the SBG is irrelevant. The Southern Section is the toughest bracket in the nation, and that's a fact. To win it is an amazing accomplishment. DLS has no such difficult path to the SBG. Heck, they don't even have to play their step-child Folsom to get there. You may not like it, but the top So Cal teams look at the SS Championship as their primary goal. Lately, it's a two-team race, but the publics like Cen10 aren't backing down. Its fun. Relax.
 
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ThunderRam said:
I'm sorry, you may not be old enough to remember that far back, huh?

Once upon a time, there was this thing called the PAC-5 playoffs. All of the best teams sans Centennial and Mission Viejo were in it.
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All the best teams? Sure..you mean when the Pac 5 playoffs included "powerhouse" programs like Jordan, Woodrow Wilson, Lakewood, Cabrio, Aurora?
 
1315 said:
So when other schools duplicate the leverage deLa has enjoyed (it’s called poaching, not recruiting to the informed) that’s an issue?
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I’m curious as to what teams are duplicating from dls. Saturday night dls will show up with there 1 transfer that is second string safety and third string QB. Against MD and there 24 transfers most of witch will be playing D-1 collage football next year. I really don’t have a problem with parents wanting to send there kids to a good catholic school. But I have seen the locker room video. And not one of those kids I saw has found god.
 
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So when other schools duplicate the leverage deLa has enjoyed (it’s called poaching, not recruiting to the informed) that’s an issue?
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Oh man, I love this game of assumptions, connecting dots and straw man arguments.

Where did you read that it was an issue? I simply provided a partially tongue-in-cheek POV. Do we now live in a world where you can't acknowledge what's in plain sight w/o someone making more out of than that? Sheesh.

Furthermore, you can refer to yourself as 'informed' all you want. But being informed and someone's choice of words aren't mutually exclusive. You choose to call it 'poaching' while others may choose to call it 'recruiting'. No harm, no foul.

Lastly, this assumption that someone has to be a DLS fan/supporter simply because they mock the SS/Trinity way of life is comical. I got news for you, 99% of the States of Texas, Florida and Georgia mock it too. Sorry that the good-natured ribbing hit a nerve. ;)
 
RedZone90 said:
All the best teams? Sure..you mean when the Pac 5 playoffs included "powerhouse" programs like Jordan, Woodrow Wilson, Lakewood, Cabrio, Aurora?
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Sorry, you got me. I should have said, all the 'important' teams sans CC and MV were included. You know, the ones that actually have a shot to win it. :)
 
RedZone90 said:
A little over the top, aren't you?
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Nope. Just dishing it back equally ;)

RedZone90 said:
The Southern Section is the toughest bracket in the nation, and that's a fact. To win it is an amazing accomplishment. DLS has no such difficult path to the SBG.
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Agreed.

RedZone90 said:
DLS has no such difficult path to the SBG. Heck, they don't even have to play their step-child Folsom to get there.
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Again, I'm not a DLS guy. So no need to keep reminding me of what I already know. I detest the lack of the NorCal Regional and 1 less step for DLS to navigate.

RedZone90 said:
You may not like it, but the top So Cal teams look at the SS Championship as their primary goal..
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Again, I think you're naive on this point. The SS title has merely become a stepping stone for MD, SJB and CC. Their focus is at a National level now. They want to compete for State and mythical titles with DLS and BG. Their actions the past few years demonstrate it.

For all other SS team, you're likely spot on.

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Its fun. Relax.
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Of course, that's why we're here.
 
ararar said:
There is one reason and one reason only for the super teams in the south and his name is Jason Negro.He coached pop warner for many years in SoCal and has many connections in that area.Before he became coach at SJB they were not a good football school at all.One poster in particular named Steeler on the national board proclaimed at the time of his hiring that SJB would become a power because of his youth football connections and he was right.

Now everyone else is playing catch-up which MD has accomplished
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Yes Steeler did. Hell I even remember Bling/Tank /Edison89 /Lamont making the same general statements about the sleeping giant Negro and SJB were when he got there.
 
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Truthhertz said:
Your DLS superiority complex is funny. Socal teams and coaches didn’t collectively decide to build super teams because of DLS dominance. That is about the most ridiculous stance I have read on these boards. They have built these teams to compete in the southern section the SBG was a after thought for most programs down south, winning that southern title was more important in all reality. DLS was not the driving force behind this.
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What was it that prompted the LA Times to refer (at the time) to the 2013 St. John Bosco team as the greatest in Southern Section history? The win over Mater Dei or the win over De La Salle?

Don't kid yourself, SJB and Mater Dei both have/had national championship aspirations (Mater Dei has had them since the 90s), but you can't get that without beating DLS.
 
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Oh stop it. Sans Centennial in the IE, they were doing that long before with the PAC-5 playoffs.
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Yes and no. The intent was to put all of the top teams in the Pac-5, but it was still league-based. As such, you got a lot of teams that couldn't win an SS D-VI title, much less one in D-I playing in those playoffs.

Now, with the competitive equity situation, they truly pretty much have as many top teams in the division as they reasonably can.
 
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1315 said:
So when other schools duplicate the leverage deLa has enjoyed (it’s called poaching, not recruiting to the informed) that’s an issue?
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What has been happening at SJB and MD is not the same as at DLS. You don't hear about players transferring to play for the Spartans just for their senior year. The SoCal duo sees that happen in double-figures.
 
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RedZone90 said:
Lately, it's a two-team race, but the publics like Cen10 aren't backing down.
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The only public schools not backing down are Centennial and Mission Viejo. All of the others consider themselves in purgatory.
 
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