CCS Finals/Regional Berths

[PALbooster]

CCS play-off projections after week 9

With two weeks to go (and the SF vs Riordan game still to play in week 9) the play-off picture is getting fairly clear. The open divisions have played out as expected over the past few weeks. The power points will make a difference. In addition to changing the seeding the power points are the likely determinant around which two of the three sectional final losers will move onto regional play.

Current projections show three teams tied for the final two at-large spots between Bellarmine, Leigh, and Burlingame. I would like to find out if the WCAL is still only putting teams forward based on their league standings. If that is the case, then SHC would not be put into the field until Bellarmine is in and if Bellarmine is the last team in then all three teams at 20 points would get in (Burlingame, Leigh, and Bellarmine) and SHC would be out.

Open Division I W/O Bellarmine
8. Palo Alto 3-7 19 VS 1. Milpitas 10-0 31.5
5. Wilcox 7-3 24.5 vs 4. San Benito 7-3 25
6. Menlo-Atherton 6-4 22.5 vs 3. Piedmont Hills 8-2 26
7. Los Gatos 5-5 22 vs 2. Salinas 8-2 30.5

Open Division I with Bellarmine
8. Palo Alto 3-7 19 VS 1. Milpitas 10-0 31.5
5. Menlo-Atherton 6-4 22.5 vs 4. San Benito 7-3 25
6. Los Gatos 5-5 22 vs 3. Piedmont Hills 8-2 26
7. Bellarmine 5-5 20 vs 2. Salinas 8-2 30.5

Division II W/O Bellarmine
8. Leigh 5-5 20 vs 1. Serra 8-2 30
5. St. Francis 7-3 26 vs 4. Oak Grove 6-4 26.5
6. Westmont 7-3 23 or Mitty 6-4 23 vs 3. Valley Christian 8-2 26.5
7. Westmont 7-3 23 or Mitty 6-4 23 vs 2. Aragon 9-1 27.5

Division II W/O Leigh
8. Westmont 7-3 23 or Mitty 6-4 23 vs 1. Serra 8-2 30
5. St. Francis 7-3 26 vs 4. Oak Grove 6-4 26.5
6. Wilcox 7-3 24.5 vs 3. Valley Christian 8-2 26.5
7. Westmont 7-3 23 or Mitty 6-4 23 vs 2. Aragon 9-1 27.5

Division II W/O Burlingame
8. Leigh 5-5 20 vs 1. Serra 8-2 30
5. St. Francis 7-3 26 vs 4. Oak Grove 6-4 26.5
6. Wilcox 7-3 24.5 vs 3. Valley Christian 8-2 26.5
7. Mitty 6-4 23 vs 2. Aragon 9-1 27.5

Division III W/O Burlingame
8. Palma 5-5- 20.5 vs 1. Half Moon Bay 10-0 29.5
5. Seaside 6-4 22 vs 4. Live Oak 6-4 22.5
6. Sacred Heart Cathedral 5-5 21 vs 3. Westmont 7-3 23
7. Terra Nova 5-5 20.5 vs 2. Aptos 7-3 25

Division III W/Burlingame
8. Burlingame 6-4 20 vs 1. Half Moon Bay 10-0 29.5
5. Sacred Heart Cathedral 5-5 21 vs 4. Seaside 6-4 22
6. Terra Nova 5-5 20.5 vs 3. Live Oak 6-4 22.5
7. Palma 5-5- 20.5 vs 2. Aptos 7-3 25

DeAnza

Milpitas and Wilcox have clinched their play-off spots and Milpitas will be sole league champion with a win over Homestead. Los Gatos, Homestead and Palo Alto are currently tied for third with two games left, but Homestead will be a decided underdog against Los Gatos and Milpitas. Los Gatos plays winless Saratoga and Homestead, While Palo Alto closes out against Los Altos who is winless in league and Wilcox. Los Gatos and Palo Alto figure to get the final two spots.

Gabilan

Salinas, Aptos, San Benito and Palma have clinched the four at-large spots. Salinas plays Aptos for the league championship this week while Palma squares of with San Benito for third place. Seaside plays Monte Vista Christian. Seaside sits with 20 points while MVC has 18. A Seaside win will give them an at-large berth. A MVC win will put both teams on the bubble at 20 with MVC having a tiebreaker over Seaside. A Seaside win gives them an at large spot with 22 points.

Mount Hamilton

This league is far from decided. Currently Oak Grove is alone in first place at 4-1 and is favored in its last two games against Westmont and Leigh. Piedmont Hills (Santa Teresa and Pioneer) Westmont (Oak Grove and Santa Teresa) and Live Oak (Pioneer and Lincoln) are currently tied for 2nd at 3-2 and favored to get the final 3 AQ spots. Currently Pioneer and Santa Teresa are 2-3 in league and need to win their last two games as underdog to make the field. Leigh will be on the bubble if they split their final two games against Lincoln and Oak Grove)

PAL Bay

Half Moon Bay is the last undefeated team in the league with games remaining against Sacred Heart Prep and Terra Nova. HMB, Menlo-Atherton, and Aragon have clinched three of the leagues four automatic spots. The last spot will come down to Sacred Heart Prep (1-3), Burlingame (1-3), and Terra Nova (0-3). It is likely that the winner of the Burlingame and Terra Nova game in week 11 will get the final AQ spot. Burlingame and Terra Nova need to get one more win to have a chance at a wild card spot.

WCAL

Serra is the only team with mathematical certainty of having clinched a spot, but it is highly likely that St. Francis and Valley Christian will have automatic spots. The remaining St. Francis vs Serra game will determine if Serra is the sole champion or ends up as co-champion or Tri-Champion. Currently Bellmarine (St. Francis and SI left) and Mitty (Valley Christian and SHC left )are tied for 4th at 2-3 with two games left and Mitty holding the tiebreaker over Bellarmine. Bellarmine and SHC (Riordan and Mitty) need to get at least one win in their final two games to have a chance at an at-large spot. If either team gets two wins they will be assured an at-large spot. Riordan would have to win their 3 remaining games (SF, VC and SHC) to make the play-offs.

Division IV
8. Alisal 6-4 20 vs 1. Leland 9-1 25.5
4/5 Carlmont 9-1 21.5 vs 4/5 Branham 7-3 21.5.
6. Santa Clara 7-3 20.5 vs 3.Willow Glen 8-2 22.5
7. Cupertino 7-3 20.5 vs 2. Christopher 8-2 23

Division V
8. Sobrato 8-2 19.5 vs 1. Gilroy 10-0 26.5
5. St. Francis 9-1 21.5 vs 4. Hillsdale 8-2 22
6. Soledad 7-3 20.5 vs 3. Scotts Valley 7-3 23
7. Jefferson 8-1 19.93 vs 2. Menlo 8-2 25.5

El Camino

Cupertino clinches a play-off berth with a win next week over Monta Vista. If Santa Clara beats Cupertino in week 10 they will likely be co-champions. If Cupertino beats Santa Clara it will drop Santa Clara into a likely second place tie with Mountain View and Fremont. In this case Fremont would likely win the tiebreaker with 18.5 points vs Santa Clara 18 and Mountain View 16.5

Mission Trail

With one week of play left in this league it looks like Soledad and Scotts Valley will end as co-champions unless there is a massive upset in week 10. In week 10 Scotts Valley ends with San Lorenzo Valley and Soledad ends with Stevenson. Carmel will need a lot of help to make the play-offs and is likely going to come up short for an at-large berth. If they win their shoe game against Pacific Grove the most they can end up is 19.5 points. Carmel will need Scotts Valley, Soledad or Carlmont to lose to have a chance.

Coastal

The winner of the St. Francis and Santa Cruz game will take the leagues only play off spot. St. Francis will be a big favorite.

Monterey Bay Pacific

Gilroy will be heavily favored in their final two games against North Monterey County and Watsonville still on their schedule and clinch a play off spot with one win. Alisal finished their season and can do no worst than second and is in the play-offs. If Christopher beats Monterey in their final game they will be the top at-large team with 23 points. Christopher might also get in as an at-large even with a loss.

PAL Lake

Jefferson has clinched the leagues sole play-off berth. Their final point total and seeding will be predicated on how Mission of SF ends their league season and if Jefferson beats Kings Academy this week. Carlmont still is in good shape for an at-large berth but they must win out and beat Sequoia and Mills to end the season 9-1. San Mateo is projected to end the season at 19 points and will need a win against Burlingame to bump that to 21 points and have a better chance at an at-large berth.

PAL Ocean

Menlo clinched a play-off berth with their win over previously undefeated Hillsdale. Hillsdale gets the second spot if they beat Kings Academy in week 10. Kings Academy would need to upset Hillsdale in week 10 and have South San Francisco lose to winless Woodside.

Santa Teresa

With two weeks left there is a four way tie for first among Leland, Willow Glen, Independence and Branham all have 4-1 league records. Willow Glen plays Independence this week and in week 11 Branham plays Leland. The winner of these two games will likely be league co-champions. Leland, Branham and Willow Glen all have a good chance to make it as an at-large if they lose out on a share of the league title.

West Valley

Sobrato only has to win one of its final two games against Mt. Pleasant or Evergreen Valley to gain the leagues only play-off berth.

Projected at-large berths

1. Christopher 8-2 23 points
2. Carlmont 9-1 21.5 points
3. Branham 7-3 21.5 points
4. Carmel 6-4 19.5 points
5. San Mateo 7-3 19 points

 

[carmelkyd]

Think you meant Alisal in D IV, not Alvarez

 

[carmelkyd]

You say that Carmel is out assuming SV, Soledad and Carlmont win. But why didn't you say that if Branham loses they go to 6 and 4 and 19.5 points. Doesn't that give Carmel a shot?

 

[PALbooster]

You say that Carmel is out assuming SV, Soledad and Carlmont win. But why didn't you say that if Branham loses they go to 6 and 4 and 19.5 points. Doesn't that give Carmel a shot?

Branham would have to lose to both Leland and Del Mar and that would give Carmel a chance. Branham will be a pretty heavy favorite vs Del Mar.

 

[aztecpadre]

You say that Carmel is out assuming SV, Soledad and Carlmont win. But why didn't you say that if Branham loses they go to 6 and 4 and 19.5 points. Doesn't that give Carmel a shot?

Great point Kyd. Looking forward to his reply.

 

[PALbooster]

Great point Kyd. Looking forward to his reply.

Still a lot of scenarios for the Santa Teresa league with a 4 way tie for first place. A negative scenario for Carmel would be if Independence beats Willow Glen (They will be a slight underdog) and Willow Glen beats San Jose in their final game Willow Glen would be an At-large candidate with 21 points and Carmel would drop 0.5 points for Willow Glen not being a league co-champion. Likewise if Branham upsets Leland. Leland will be in the At-Large pool with 23 points.

 

[FBAddict]

CCS play-off projections after week 9

With two weeks to go (and the SF vs Riordan game still to play in week 9) the play-off picture is getting fairly clear. The open divisions have played out as expected over the past few weeks. The power points will make a difference. In addition to changing the seeding the power points are the likely determinant around which two of the three sectional final losers will move onto regional play.

Current projections show three teams tied for the final two at-large spots between Bellarmine, Leigh, and Burlingame. I would like to find out if the WCAL is still only putting teams forward based on their league standings. If that is the case, then SHC would not be put into the field until Bellarmine is in and if Bellarmine is the last team in then all three teams at 20 points would get in (Burlingame, Leigh, and Bellarmine) and SHC would be out.

Open Division I W/O Bellarmine
8. Palo Alto 3-7 19 VS 1. Milpitas 10-0 31.5
5. Wilcox 7-3 24.5 vs 4. San Benito 7-3 25
6. Menlo-Atherton 6-4 22.5 vs 3. Piedmont Hills 8-2 26
7. Los Gatos 5-5 22 vs 2. Salinas 8-2 30.5

Open Division I with Bellarmine
8. Palo Alto 3-7 19 VS 1. Milpitas 10-0 31.5
5. Menlo-Atherton 6-4 22.5 vs 4. San Benito 7-3 25
6. Los Gatos 5-5 22 vs 3. Piedmont Hills 8-2 26
7. Bellarmine 5-5 20 vs 2. Salinas 8-2 30.5

Division II W/O Bellarmine
8. Leigh 5-5 20 vs 1. Serra 8-2 30
5. St. Francis 7-3 26 vs 4. Oak Grove 6-4 26.5
6. Westmont 7-3 23 or Mitty 6-4 23 vs 3. Valley Christian 8-2 26.5
7. Westmont 7-3 23 or Mitty 6-4 23 vs 2. Aragon 9-1 27.5

Division II W/O Leigh
8. Westmont 7-3 23 or Mitty 6-4 23 vs 1. Serra 8-2 30
5. St. Francis 7-3 26 vs 4. Oak Grove 6-4 26.5
6. Wilcox 7-3 24.5 vs 3. Valley Christian 8-2 26.5
7. Westmont 7-3 23 or Mitty 6-4 23 vs 2. Aragon 9-1 27.5

Division II W/O Burlingame
8. Leigh 5-5 20 vs 1. Serra 8-2 30
5. St. Francis 7-3 26 vs 4. Oak Grove 6-4 26.5
6. Wilcox 7-3 24.5 vs 3. Valley Christian 8-2 26.5
7. Mitty 6-4 23 vs 2. Aragon 9-1 27.5

Division III W/O Burlingame
8. Palma 5-5- 20.5 vs 1. Half Moon Bay 10-0 29.5
5. Seaside 6-4 22 vs 4. Live Oak 6-4 22.5
6. Sacred Heart Cathedral 5-5 21 vs 3. Westmont 7-3 23
7. Terra Nova 5-5 20.5 vs 2. Aptos 7-3 25

Division III W/Burlingame
8. Burlingame 6-4 20 vs 1. Half Moon Bay 10-0 29.5
5. Sacred Heart Cathedral 5-5 21 vs 4. Seaside 6-4 22
6. Terra Nova 5-5 20.5 vs 3. Live Oak 6-4 22.5
7. Palma 5-5- 20.5 vs 2. Aptos 7-3 25

DeAnza

Milpitas and Wilcox have clinched their play-off spots and Milpitas will be sole league champion with a win over Homestead. Los Gatos, Homestead and Palo Alto are currently tied for third with two games left, but Homestead will be a decided underdog against Los Gatos and Milpitas. Los Gatos plays winless Saratoga and Homestead, While Palo Alto closes out against Los Altos who is winless in league and Wilcox. Los Gatos and Palo Alto figure to get the final two spots.

Gabilan

Salinas, Aptos, San Benito and Palma have clinched the four at-large spots. Salinas plays Aptos for the league championship this week while Palma squares of with San Benito for third place. Seaside plays Monte Vista Christian. Seaside sits with 20 points while MVC has 18. A Seaside win will give them an at-large berth. A MVC win will put both teams on the bubble at 20 with MVC having a tiebreaker over Seaside. A Seaside win gives them an at large spot with 22 points.

Mount Hamilton

This league is far from decided. Currently Oak Grove is alone in first place at 4-1 and is favored in its last two games against Westmont and Leigh. Piedmont Hills (Santa Teresa and Pioneer) Westmont (Oak Grove and Santa Teresa) and Live Oak (Pioneer and Lincoln) are currently tied for 2nd at 3-2 and favored to get the final 3 AQ spots. Currently Pioneer and Santa Teresa are 2-3 in league and need to win their last two games as underdog to make the field. Leigh will be on the bubble if they split their final two games against Lincoln and Oak Grove)

PAL Bay

Half Moon Bay is the last undefeated team in the league with games remaining against Sacred Heart Prep and Terra Nova. HMB, Menlo-Atherton, and Aragon have clinched three of the leagues four automatic spots. The last spot will come down to Sacred Heart Prep (1-3), Burlingame (1-3), and Terra Nova (0-3). It is likely that the winner of the Burlingame and Terra Nova game in week 11 will get the final AQ spot. Burlingame and Terra Nova need to get one more win to have a chance at a wild card spot.

WCAL

Serra is the only team with mathematical certainty of having clinched a spot, but it is highly likely that St. Francis and Valley Christian will have automatic spots. The remaining St. Francis vs Serra game will determine if Serra is the sole champion or ends up as co-champion or Tri-Champion. Currently Bellmarine (St. Francis and SI left) and Mitty (Valley Christian and SHC left )are tied for 4th at 2-3 with two games left and Mitty holding the tiebreaker over Bellarmine. Bellarmine and SHC (Riordan and Mitty) need to get at least one win in their final two games to have a chance at an at-large spot. If either team gets two wins they will be assured an at-large spot. Riordan would have to win their 3 remaining games (SF, VC and SHC) to make the play-offs.

Division IV
8. Alisal 6-4 20 vs 1. Leland 9-1 25.5
4/5 Carlmont 9-1 21.5 vs 4/5 Branham 7-3 21.5.
6. Santa Clara 7-3 20.5 vs 3.Willow Glen 8-2 22.5
7. Cupertino 7-3 20.5 vs 2. Christopher 8-2 23

Division V
8. Sobrato 8-2 19.5 vs 1. Gilroy 10-0 26.5
5. St. Francis 9-1 21.5 vs 4. Hillsdale 8-2 22
6. Soledad 7-3 20.5 vs 3. Scotts Valley 7-3 23
7. Jefferson 8-1 19.93 vs 2. Menlo 8-2 25.5

El Camino

Cupertino clinches a play-off berth with a win next week over Monta Vista. If Santa Clara beats Cupertino in week 10 they will likely be co-champions. If Cupertino beats Santa Clara it will drop Santa Clara into a likely second place tie with Mountain View and Fremont. In this case Fremont would likely win the tiebreaker with 18.5 points vs Santa Clara 18 and Mountain View 16.5

Mission Trail

With one week of play left in this league it looks like Soledad and Scotts Valley will end as co-champions unless there is a massive upset in week 10. In week 10 Scotts Valley ends with San Lorenzo Valley and Soledad ends with Stevenson. Carmel will need a lot of help to make the play-offs and is likely going to come up short for an at-large berth. If they win their shoe game against Pacific Grove the most they can end up is 19.5 points. Carmel will need Scotts Valley, Soledad or Carlmont to lose to have a chance.

Coastal

The winner of the St. Francis and Santa Cruz game will take the leagues only play off spot. St. Francis will be a big favorite.

Monterey Bay Pacific

Gilroy will be heavily favored in their final two games against North Monterey County and Watsonville still on their schedule and clinch a play off spot with one win. Alisal finished their season and can do no worst than second and is in the play-offs. If Christopher beats Monterey in their final game they will be the top at-large team with 23 points. Christopher might also get in as an at-large even with a loss.

PAL Lake

Jefferson has clinched the leagues sole play-off berth. Their final point total and seeding will be predicated on how Mission of SF ends their league season and if Jefferson beats Kings Academy this week. Carlmont still is in good shape for an at-large berth but they must win out and beat Sequoia and Mills to end the season 9-1. San Mateo is projected to end the season at 19 points and will need a win against Burlingame to bump that to 21 points and have a better chance at an at-large berth.

PAL Ocean

Menlo clinched a play-off berth with their win over previously undefeated Hillsdale. Hillsdale gets the second spot if they beat Kings Academy in week 10. Kings Academy would need to upset Hillsdale in week 10 and have South San Francisco lose to winless Woodside.

Santa Teresa

With two weeks left there is a four way tie for first among Leland, Willow Glen, Independence and Branham all have 4-1 league records. Willow Glen plays Independence this week and in week 11 Branham plays Leland. The winner of these two games will likely be league co-champions. Leland, Branham and Willow Glen all have a good chance to make it as an at-large if they lose out on a share of the league title.

West Valley

Sobrato only has to win one of its final two games against Mt. Pleasant or Evergreen Valley to gain the leagues only play-off berth.

Projected at-large berths

1. Christopher 8-2 23 points
2. Carlmont 9-1 21.5 points
3. Branham 7-3 21.5 points
4. Carmel 6-4 19.5 points
5. San Mateo 7-3 19 points

A Week 9 thank you for your excellent work!!!

 

[joebl]

I cant understand how a section would consider Leigh and Bellarmine in the same breath. Both are projected to be 5-5 with 20 power points. Take a look at their schedules and the CCS considers them EQUAL for power points. Really? We need to go back to the WCAL games worth an extra 0.5 or come up with a better system.

 

[JCBUST]

I cant understand how a section would consider Leigh and Bellarmine in the same breath. Both are projected to be 5-5 with 20 power points. Take a look at their schedules and the CCS considers them EQUAL for power points. Really? We need to go back to the WCAL games worth an extra 0.5 or come up with a better system.

I can hardly wait for the Serra/Leigh matchup in the first round, should be a close one. I remember years ago St.Francis played Andrew Hill in a first round barnburner. Serra could score 150 if they wanted.

 

[jordan24]

I cant understand how a section would consider Leigh and Bellarmine in the same breath. Both are projected to be 5-5 with 20 power points. Take a look at their schedules and the CCS considers them EQUAL for power points. Really? We need to go back to the WCAL games worth an extra 0.5 or come up with a better system.

Perhaps the WCAL schools should schedule an Alabama-like cupcake non league schedule? CCS does not properly account for the SOS of the teams Serra, VC, Bells, St. Francis SI and Riordan have played. Riordan would be in the post season discussion if they played a powder puff non league schedule.

 

[831ccschamp]

In what scenio does gilroy get bumped up to D IV and also how would Santa Cruz winning out and St. Francis of Watsonville losing out affect the D V seeding?

 

[PALbooster]

If Santa Cruz wins out they would be an 8 seed in division 5 with 13.75 (maybe the lowest point total ever to make the CCS playoffs) and St. Francis would not make the field.

Gilroy is currently the largest enrollment school in DV. For them to get bumped up to DIV a school with a smaller enrollment would need to make the field and replace a current DIV team. Most of the likely switches are big school for big school (i.e. Independence replacing Branham or Fremont replacing Santa Clara) or small school for small school (ie. if Santa Cruz replaces St Francis) The most likely scenario that would bump Gilroy to DIV would be if Carlmont lost to Sequoia and Carmel got the final at-large spot in a draw with Carlmont. Not very likely at this point but we will see

 

[joebl]

More examples of why the CCS point system needs to be changed:

The CCS will send the 3 open division winners and the top 2 second place teams based on the Power Points. The Power Points rankings are projected:
1. Milpitas 31.5 (Div 1)
2. Salinas 30.5 (Div 1)
3. Serra 30 (Div 2)
4. HMB 29.5 (Div 3)
5. Aragon 27.5 (Div 2)
6 tie VC 26.5 (Div 2)
6 tie OG 26.5 (Div 2)
8 tie PH 26 (Div 1)
8 tie SF 26 (Div 2)
10 tie SB 25 (Div 1)
10 tie Aptos 25 (Div 3)

What this means is that a team like SF must win Div 2 or would likely not move on to State Bowl game. HMB would get in even if they they dont win Div 3. A team like VC would root for HMB winning Div 3, or VC as runner up would be left home.

 

[SpeedCity51]

System seems fine to me.

 

[jordan24]

Courtesy of Rmbr26, huge disparity in SOS of the WCAL non-league games and the rest of CCS. Smh

CCS Rankings - Top 20
1. Serra 6-2
2. Milpitas 8-0
3. VC 6-2
4. SF 6-2
5. HMB 8-0
6. Aragon 7-1
7. Salinas 7-2
8. Mitty 5-3
9. Bells 4-4
10. Aptos 6-2
11. Wilcox 5-3
12. M-A 5-3
13. Menlo 6-2
14. SHC 4-4
15. Gilroy 8-0
16. Hillsdale 7-1
17. Palma 4-4
18. Terra Nova 4-4
19. Burlingame 5-3
20. St. Ignatius 2-6
23. Riordan 2-6

Top 10 Most Difficult Schedules:
1. Serra 36.2
2. Bells 30.9
3. VC 30.7
4. Riordan 29.1
5. Mitty 28.7
6. S.I. 28.4
7. SF 28.2
8. SHC 24.2
9 M-A 22.3
10. Palma 17.3

Top 10 Weakest Schedules:
1. Gilroy , minus -12.7
2. Hillsdale , minus -0.5
3. HMB 2.2
4. Milpitas 2.8
5. Menlo 4.4
6. Burlingame 6.2
7. Terra Nova 9.2
8. Aptos 12.2
9. Salinas 13.2
10. Aragon 14.6

 

[NorCalSportsFan]

CCS regional bowl participants are first the three winners of Open D1, Open D2 and Open D3 playoffs and then 2 of the 3 runner-ups are chosen to advance. The two of three are chosen based on 1) head-to-head if all runner-ups played each other or 2) CCS Seeding/At Large Points in rank order 3) and if tie then draw.

Section 6. CIF REGIONAL AND STATE BOWL GAME ENTRIES
A. The CCS shall forward entries into the CIF Regional and State Bowl Games in accordance with CIF’s policies.
B. Whenever the CIF allows for non-section champions to advance to these CIF regional and state bowl games, CCS teams from the CCS Open Division shall be entered in accordance with the following: CCS Football Bylaws Page 4

1. The champions of each of the three (3) brackets from the CCS Open Division will be automatically advanced to the CIF Bowl Game Selection Committee for consideration.

2. Two of the three runner-ups of each of the three (3) brackets from the CCS Open Division will be automatically advanced to the CIF Bowl Game Selection Committee for consideration based on the following criteria, in rank order:

a Head to Head competition results if all three (3) runner-ups played each other; if none or a tie,
NEXT B . CCS Football Seeding/At-Large Selection Points as presented at the time of the selection/seeding meeting;
if a tie THEN d. Draw.



http://www.cifccs.org/sports/fball/2017-18/football_bylaws_2017.pdf

 

[831ccschamp]

In regarding the 3 and 6 seeded teams in D V is it correct that teams from the same league aren't allowed to play each other in the first round of CCS play offs? If that is correct how would the bracket be affected?

 

[FBAddict]

In regarding the 3 and 6 seeded teams in D V is it correct that teams from the same league aren't allowed to play each other in the first round of CCS play offs? If that is correct how would the bracket be affected?

CCS changed that rule. League mates can be paired in the first round now.

 

[SPortela24]

In regards to D5, I see that Jefferson is projected to go 8-1 and be the 7 seed.

MaxPreps has them listed at 7-1 right now with a Forfeit win vs. Albany in week 2 when it was 4000° outside. They still gave scheduled games with TKA and El Camino.

My question is do they get points for that forfeit or not? If no, isnt the point system altered for them (or any school that did not play a game this year either due to extreme heat or poor air quality)?

 

[PALbooster]

SPortela - thanks for the post. Originally the Jefferson-Albany game was listed as cancelled. Many games were canceled that week and are just no registered as no contest. Calpreps does not show the game. Did some research and saw a couple of articles that noted that the cancellation was changed to a forfeit win for Jefferson so I will make the adjustments. Jefferson will end the season with 20.5 points if they win their final two games and end up 9-1 and would flip coin with Soledad to see if they are the 6 or 7 seed.

 

[SPortela24]

SPortela - thanks for the post. Originally the Jefferson-Albany game was listed as cancelled. Many games were canceled that week and are just no registered as no contest. Calpreps does not show the game. Did some research and saw a couple of articles that noted that the cancellation was changed to a forfeit win for Jefferson so I will make the adjustments. Jefferson will end the season with 20.5 points if they win their final two games and end up 9-1 and would flip coin with Soledad to see if they are the 6 or 7 seed.

Intresting.

It will also be interesting for Jefferson, Carlmont and San Mateo to see what happens with the Lincoln / Mission situation.

Carlmont got a point for beating Lincoln while San Mateo got a point for beating Mission.

Jefferson's only loss came to Mission.

All three of those teams had a vested interested in that game as it would give Carlmont an extra point if Lincoln were to win and San Mateo / Jefferson an additional point if Mission were to win.

The Mission / Lincoln game was rescheduled for November 18th after the original game was cancel due to poor air quality.

Issue here is The CCS Playoffs begin before that date.

 

[PALbooster]

Intresting.

It will also be interesting for Jefferson, Carlmont and San Mateo to see what happens with the Lincoln / Mission situation.

Carlmont got a point for beating Lincoln while San Mateo got a point for beating Mission.

Jefferson's only loss came to Mission.

All three of those teams had a vested interested in that game as it would give Carlmont an extra point if Lincoln were to win and San Mateo / Jefferson an additional point if Mission were to win.

The Mission / Lincoln game was rescheduled for November 18th after the original game was cancel due to poor air quality.

Issue here is The CCS Playoffs begin before that date.

There are a lot of similar issues this year - a lot of North Bay teams (whose regular season will be over when CCS ends) will only end up playing 8 games and as out of section opponents will be graded a C team if they have 3 or less wins or a B team with 4-6 wins. Unless the CCS creates some type of waiver to its rules this year - then I am sure that the CCS will not award any league champion points from AAA opponents as their league season will not be over and the ranking of the team as an A, B, or C opponent will be based on the number of wins by the time of the CCS seeding meeting. Lincoln should have 7 wins and will be an A team and Mission will be at 6 wins and will be a B team - even though they will play each other the next week.

 

[NorCalSportsFan]

More examples of why the CCS point system needs to be changed:

The CCS will send the 3 open division winners and the top 2 second place teams based on the Power Points. The Power Points rankings are projected:
1. Milpitas 31.5 (Div 1)
2. Salinas 30.5 (Div 1)
3. Serra 30 (Div 2)
4. HMB 29.5 (Div 3)
5. Aragon 27.5 (Div 2)
6 tie VC 26.5 (Div 2)
6 tie OG 26.5 (Div 2)
8 tie PH 26 (Div 1)
8 tie SF 26 (Div 2)
10 tie SB 25 (Div 1)
10 tie Aptos 25 (Div 3)

What this means is that a team like SF must win Div 2 or would likely not move on to State Bowl game. HMB would get in even if they they dont win Div 3. A team like VC would root for HMB winning Div 3, or VC as runner up would be left home.

The system is better than it was before with all the best teams being grouped into one Open division - and knocking each other off. HMB a quality D2 team would be put into D1 and probably all the WCAL teams...SF knocked off Oak Grove and would move up to D1 Open. D2 and D3 Open would be weakened and so I think under current system now you get more quality teams vying for bowl spots. D2 bowl kind of looks like past Open Division but smaller schools have a shot in now that they wouldn't.

 

[Cal 14]

So amazing that Oak Grove is in position to win the MHAL. The Eagles would not likely even take 3rd in any of the other A leagues. That is a seriously bad league.

 

[Cal 14]

More examples of why the CCS point system needs to be changed:

The CCS will send the 3 open division winners and the top 2 second place teams based on the Power Points. The Power Points rankings are projected:
1. Milpitas 31.5 (Div 1)
2. Salinas 30.5 (Div 1)
3. Serra 30 (Div 2)
4. HMB 29.5 (Div 3)
5. Aragon 27.5 (Div 2)
6 tie VC 26.5 (Div 2)
6 tie OG 26.5 (Div 2)
8 tie PH 26 (Div 1)
8 tie SF 26 (Div 2)
10 tie SB 25 (Div 1)
10 tie Aptos 25 (Div 3)

What this means is that a team like SF must win Div 2 or would likely not move on to State Bowl game. HMB would get in even if they they dont win Div 3. A team like VC would root for HMB winning Div 3, or VC as runner up would be left home.

So, you're saying the WCAL teams should automatically advance to the playoffs merely because they're WCAL teams?

St. Ignatius is not a good football team. Riordan is not a good football team. Sacred Heart Cathedral is not a good football team. Bellarmine barely beat Riordan and a 2-7 Clovis North team.

The only crime with regards to the rest of the section is with the pitiful MHAL. All other teams that get in will have earned their spot.

 

[JCBUST]

So, you're saying the WCAL teams should automatically advance to the playoffs merely because they're WCAL teams?

St. Ignatius is not a good football team. Riordan is not a good football team. Sacred Heart Cathedral is not a good football team. Bellarmine barely beat Riordan and a 2-7 Clovis North team.

The only crime with regards to the rest of the section is with the pitiful MHAL. All other teams that get in will have earned their spot.

ST. Ignatius is a well coached good football team. They would win the MHAL and place 3rd a couple A leagues. Yes they got a lot of help defeating Mitty with all their game injuries and scoring 15 points in the last 2 minutes. The WCAL is a gauntlet of physicallity. Serra is in a league of it's own with VC and St. Francis a very powerful 2nd tier. BTW the pig roast at the Serra game was bomb!

 

[joebl]

So, you're saying the WCAL teams should automatically advance to the playoffs merely because they're WCAL teams?

St. Ignatius is not a good football team. Riordan is not a good football team. Sacred Heart Cathedral is not a good football team. Bellarmine barely beat Riordan and a 2-7 Clovis North team.

The only crime with regards to the rest of the section is with the pitiful MHAL. All other teams that get in will have earned their spot.

I'm not saying that at all. I'm saying use a better SoS system. When Serra/SF/VC equal Leigh, Saratoga, Los Altos - the system is broken. Out of league teams are rated strictly by w/l and not strength, so a team from SJS like Del Oro who in the CCS would be ranked 5th (CalPreps) would only get credit for being B or C league team. I think the previous formula that WCAL teams are worth extra 0.5 points would be better than today. Although would love to scrap that system entirely and have either a seeding committee or use CalPreps.

SI, Riordan and SHC are not good football teams compared to WCAL, but they are all in the top 25 in the CCS.
SHC: 21.3 #14 in CCS
SI: 16 #20
Riordan: 13.3 #23

 

[dcpanda]

ST. Ignatius is a well coached good football team. They would win the MHAL and place 3rd a couple A leagues. Yes they got a lot of help defeating Mitty with all their game injuries and scoring 15 points in the last 2 minutes. The WCAL is a gauntlet of physicallity. Serra is in a league of it's own with VC and St. Francis a very powerful 2nd tier. BTW the pig roast at the Serra game was bomb!

SI is 2-6 and is running an antiquated fly offense. I can’t agree that they are good or well coached.

 

[colhenrylives]

CCS has severe seeding limitations because of the WCAL which is the sole all-private-school NorCal league which includes football. The CIF bowl situation has complicated things even more. For decades, public school coaches have tried to figure out ways to quarantine WCAL teams in varying football playoff systems. The current setup is about as good (from the publics point of view) as it's going to get. Having two consolation brackets, dubbed Division IV and Division V, has solved part of the WCAL problem for the public schools. At least some of them are happy now.

 

[JCBUST]

SI is 2-6 and is running an antiquated fly offense. I can’t agree that they are good or well coached.

Everyone has a fly sweep in their offense. Yes the offense is based off that but they still run Iso, Dive, Power and Counter like everyone else. You could argue the Wing T is outdated, but VC, Gilroy, Burlingame and Aptos seem to be doing just fine. VC would be a nightmare spread team but the rest would not be as good. My 2 cents

 

[Cal 14]

CCS has severe seeding limitations because of the WCAL which is the sole all-private-school NorCal league which includes football. The CIF bowl situation has complicated things even more. For decades, public school coaches have tried to figure out ways to quarantine WCAL teams in varying football playoff systems. The current setup is about as good (from the publics point of view) as it's going to get. Having two consolation brackets, dubbed Division IV and Division V, has solved part of the WCAL problem for the public schools. At least some of them are happy now.

I'd still like to see an enrollment multiplier for private schools (1.5x), but this is still ultimately a much better system than what we had before.

 

[Cal 14]

I'm not saying that at all. I'm saying use a better SoS system. When Serra/SF/VC equal Leigh, Saratoga, Los Altos - the system is broken. Out of league teams are rated strictly by w/l and not strength, so a team from SJS like Del Oro who in the CCS would be ranked 5th (CalPreps) would only get credit for being B or C league team. I think the previous formula that WCAL teams are worth extra 0.5 points would be better than today. Although would love to scrap that system entirely and have either a seeding committee or use CalPreps.

SI, Riordan and SHC are not good football teams compared to WCAL, but they are all in the top 25 in the CCS.
SHC: 21.3 #14 in CCS
SI: 16 #20
Riordan: 13.3 #23

SHC's non-league wins have all come against lower division teams and a bad Homestead squad.

SI's lone non-league win came against a winless Clovis East team... and that was only by 7-0.

Riordan lost to 3-5 Napa.

So, no, these teams are not just not good relative to the other WCAL teams. They're just not good, period.

 

[jordan24]

I'm not saying that at all. I'm saying use a better SoS system. When Serra/SF/VC equal Leigh, Saratoga, Los Altos - the system is broken. Out of league teams are rated strictly by w/l and not strength, so a team from SJS like Del Oro who in the CCS would be ranked 5th (CalPreps) would only get credit for being B or C league team. I think the previous formula that WCAL teams are worth extra 0.5 points would be better than today. Although would love to scrap that system entirely and have either a seeding committee or use CalPreps.

SI, Riordan and SHC are not good football teams compared to WCAL, but they are all in the top 25 in the CCS.
SHC: 21.3 #14 in CCS
SI: 16 #20
Riordan: 13.3 #23

I'd like to compare non-league schedules of the non-WCAL teams vs the teams SI and Riordan played:
SI - Clovis East, Campolindo (NCS playoff qualifer), Marin Catholic (probable champ)
Riordan - Central Catholic (probable champ/#3 SJS), Salesian (NCS playoff qualifier), Napa

 

[831ccschamp]

So Santa Cruz winning and carlmont losing makes the D V bracket look completely different?

 

[colhenrylives]

So Santa Cruz winning and carlmont winning makes the D V bracket look completely different?

Didn't Sequoia defeat Carlmont tonight?

 

[831ccschamp]

Didn't Sequoia defeat Carlmont tonight?

Yea they did

 

[831ccschamp]

So Santa Cruz winning and carlmont winning makes the D V bracket look completely different?

Carlmont losing* sorry

 

[colhenrylives]

Carlmont losing* sorry

And Jefferson was routed too.

 

[PALbooster]

Lots of changes coming due to a number of week 10 upsets - Santa Cruz will be in the play-offs instead of St. francs Watsonville if they beat Harbor in week 11. Carlmont likely out of at-large due to loss. Jefferson loss will just push them down int he seedings as they get an automatic bid regardless of their week 11 outcome. Independence is in if they win in week 11 against Del Mar. Will have the new projections when the final results are in after tomorrow's games.

 

[PALbooster]

Going into the final week of regular season play 19 teams have clinched pay-off berths. 16 of the 20 automatic berths are filled. Two teams will either be an at-large team or an automatic qualifier and one team has clinched an at-large berth.

Automatic Qualifiers
Deanza - Milpitas, Wilcox, Palo Alto
Gabilan – Salinas, Aptos, Palma, San Benito
PAL Bay – Half Moon Bay, Aragon, Menlo-Atherton
Mount Hamilton – Oak Grove, Piedmont Hills, Live Oak
WCAL Serra, Valley Christian, St. Francis

At-Large (points going into last week)
Seaside 22.5 (Qualified as an at-large)
Mitty 21 – (Qualified but still can get an automatic berth)
Sacred Heart Cathedral 21
Westmont 21 (Qualified but still can get an automatic berth qualified)
Burlingame 20 (Possible AQ)
Los Gatos 20 - ( AQ Likely)
Sacred Heart Prep 18 (Possible AQ)
Terra Nova 18 (Possible AQ)
Bellarmine 18 (Possible AQ)
Pioneer 16.5
Homestead 16 (Possible AQ)

Projected Playoff field
Open Division I
8. Palo Alto 3-7 19 vs 1 Milpitas 10-0 31.5
5. Menlo-Atherton 6-4 22.5 vs San Benito 6-4 23
6. Los Gatos 5-5 22 vs 3. Piedmont Hills 8-2 26
7. Bellarmine 5-5 20 vs 2. Salinas 8-2 30.5

Open Division II
8. Mitty 6-4 23 or Westmont 7-3 23 vs 1. Serra 8-2 30
5. St Francis 7-3 26 vs 4. Oak Grove 6-4 26.5
6. Wilcon 7-3 24.5 vs 3. Valley Christian 8-2 26.5
7. Mitty 6-4 23 or Westmont 7-3 23 vs 2. Aragon 9-1 27.5

A lot at play in the last week with seeding in this division. Aragon plays MA in a competitive game – this projection assumes they win if they lose they drop to 25.5. If St. Francis beats Serra the WCAL school points go SF 28.33, Serra 27,33 and VC 26.83 and OG 26.83.

Open Division III
8. Bulringame 6-4 20 vs 1. Half Moon Bay 10-0 29.5
4/5 Seaside 6-4 22.5 vs 4/5 Live Oak 6-4 23.5
6. Sacred Heart Cathedral 5-5 21 vs 3. Palma 6-4 23.5
7. Terra Nova 5-5 20 vs 2. Aptos 7-3 25.5

Deanza
Milpitas is the league champion. Wilcox and Palo Alto have clinched automatic berths. Homestead’s slim play-off hopes require them to beat Los Gatos and Have Palo Alto upset Wilcox. If Los Gatos beats Homestead or Wilcox beats Palo Alto Los Gatos gets an automatic berth. If Los Gatos loses (and Palo Alto beats Wilcox) Los Gatos will finish in 5th place and will have 20 points and will be on the bubble for an at-large berth.

Monterey Bay Gabilan
The only remaining game is Aptos vs Alverez and it will only impact Aptos total number of points and their eventual CCS seeding. Salinas is the league champion and Aptos, San Benito and Palma gained the other automatic berths. Seaside is in as an at-large team. With 17.5 points MVC will come up short for an at-large berth.

Mount Hamilton
Oak Grove, Piedmont Hills and Live Oak have clinched automatic berths. Oak Grove is the sole champion with a win over Leigh. If Oak Grove is upset they would be co or tri champions if Live Oak and/or Piedmont Hills win their final game. The winner of the Westmont vs Santa Teresa game will get the final automatic berth as Santa Teresa would win a two way tiebreaker with Westmont or a three way tiebreaker with Westmont and Pioneer. If Westmont loses they will have enough points to get an at-large bid. Leigh will likely need to upset Oak Grove to have enough points to get an at-large spot or hope that Bellarmine losses and they win a draw for a final spot at 18 points. Pioneers slim hopes lie on a scenario where they must win against Piedmont Hills and have 18.5 points be enough.

PAL Bay
Half Moon Bay, Aragon, and Menlo-Atherton all have clinched automatic spots. HMB wins the league championship outright with a win against SHP. A HMB loss will make the co-champion with the winner of the Menlo-Atherton vs Aragon game this week. The final automatic spot is up for grabs. Burlingame is the only team that controls their own destiny as a win against Terra Nova and they get the final spot. SHP will gain the bid if they upset Half Moon Bay and Terra Nova beats Burlingame. If Terra Nova beats Burlingame and HMB beats SHP, Terra Nova and Burlingame would tie a three way tie breaker of power points. Not usre if there would be a draw at that point or TN would win out due to head to head win over Burlingame.

Burlingame has a good chance to make the field as an at-large even with a loss. Terra Nova could make the field as an at-large with a win. SHP could get an at-large spot if they beat HMB.

WCAL
Serra, St. Francis and Valley Christian all have clinched automatic berths. Serra is the outright league champion with a win over St. Francis. A St. Francis win makes them co-champions with Serra and likely tri-champions with Valley Christian if VC beats Riordan this week. The final automatic spot will be decided between Bellarmine, Mitty and Sacred Heart Cathedral. Mitty get the spot with a win. Bellarmine gets the spot with a win over SI and a SHC win over Mitty. SHC gets the spot with a win over Mitty and a Bellarmine lose to SI. Mitty and SHC come into the final week with 21 points and Mitty has clinched an at-large berth and SHC is highly likely to get an at-large spot even with a loss. The odd scenario that keeps SHC out is if Mitty and Bellarmine both win this week and Mitty gets the final AQ spot and Bellarmine if left to draw into the field and draws the last at-large spot as they will be presented by the WCAL ahead of SHC.

Non-Open Play-offs
The field is much clearer here
Automatic Spots
El Camino – Cupertino and either Santa Clara or Fremont
Mission Bay – Soledad and Scotts Valley
Mission Bay Coastal- Santa Cruz of St. Francis
Monterey Pacific – Gilroy and Alisal
PAL Ocean – Menlo and Hillsdale or Kings Academy
Pal Lake – Jefferson
Santa Teresa – Winner of Leland vs Branham and Independence or Willow Glen
West Valley – Sobrato

At Large (points going into final week)
Christopher 23 (season done)
Loser of Leland 23 vs Branham 21.5
Willow Glen 18 (plays San Jose)
Carmel 19 (season done)
Carlmont 17.5 (plays Mills)
San Mateo 17 (plays Capuhcino)

Projected Field
Division IV
8. Willow Glen 7-3 20 vs 1. Leland 9-1 25.5
4/5 Santa Clara, Cupertino, Alisal or Independence 20.5
6. 5 Santa Clara, Cupertino, Alisal or Independence 20.5 vs 3. Branham 7-3 21.5
7. 5 Santa Clara, Cupertino, Alisal or Independence 20.5 vs 2. Christopher 8-2 23

4 way tie at 20.5 points between Santa Clara, Cupertino, Alisal and Independence

Division V
8. Santa Cruz 5-5 15 vs 1. Gilroy 10-0 26.5
5. Sobrato 8-2 19.5 or Scotts Valley 6-4 19.5 vs 4. Soledad 7-3 21
6. Sobrato 8-2 19.5 or Scotts Valley 6-4 19.5 vs 3. Hillsdale 8-2 22
7. Jefferson 8-2 18.5 vs 2. Menlo 7-3 23.5

The at-large pool is set unless Willow Glen losses to San Jose and/or Independence losses to Del Mar and losses their automatic qualifier berth (which would only happen if Branham beats Leland) that would then go to Willow Glen or Leland and open up a final at-large berth. Carlmont would get that final berth under this scenario with a win over Mills. A Carlmont loss in addition to an Independence loss would open the door for either Carmel or San Mateo.

El Camino
The big game is Cupertino and Santa Clara. If Cupertino wins they are the outright league champion and drop Santa Clara into a potential tie-breaker for second place If Santa Clara wins then Cupertino and Santa Clara are co-champions and they both advance to the CCS play-offs.

If Santa Clara losses, they would likely end up in a three way tie for second with Fremont (must win against Monta Vista) and Mountain View (must win against Gunn). Fremont would win a three way tie-breaker due to being 1-1 in head to head and having the most power points. In the event of a two way tie between Fremont and Santa Clara, Santa Clara would win. In a two way tie between Santa Clara and Mountain View, Mountain View would win.

Mission Trail – Coastal
Santa Cruz clinches the leagues only playoff spot with a win over Harbor. St. Francis will be co-champion with a win over Soquel and a Santa Cruz win but will fall short of an at-large berth with 19 points. St. Francis needs a Santa Cruz loss to reclaim a playoff spot.

Mission Trail
The season ended this week for all teams. Soledad is the sole league champion. Scotts Valley, Carmel and King City all tied for second but Scotts Valley went 2-0 in head to head and has the most CCS points and will get the second bid.

Monterey Bay Pacific
Gilroy and Alisal have clinched the leagues two play off spots. Gilroy is the sole champion with a final week win over Watsonville a co-champion if they lose. Christopher has clinched an at-large spot and has ended the season with 23 points.

PAL Ocean
Menlo has clinched a playoff spot and is the outright league champion with either a win over Sequoia or a Hillsdale loss to Kings Academy. Hillsdale gains the second spot with a win over Kings Academy. Kings Academy's slim hope rest on upsetting Hillsdale and having Woodside upset South San Francisco as KA can only get second in a two way tiebreaker. A three way tie for second place would leave Hillsdale in the play-offs.

PAL Lake
Jefferson has clinched the leagues sole play-off berth and is sole champion with either a win over El Camino or a Carlmont loss to Mills.

Santa Teresa
Independence is a co-champion and will get an automatic playoff berth if they beat Del Mar this week The winner of the Leland vs Branham game can do no worse than end as co-champion and get the league’s other automatic spot. The loser of the Leland Branham game will get in as an at-large team as will Willow Glen if they defeat San Jose. If Independence losses the second AQ spot will still go to Independence in a two way tie with Branham or a three way tie with Branham and Willow Glen. Independence would lose a two way tie breaker with Leland or a three way tiebreaker with Leland and Willow Glen.

West Valley
Sobrato has clinched the leagues sole automatic berth and are the leagues sole champion with a final week win over Evergreen Valley or an Overfelt loss to Hill.